What about applying the matrix vertical to lines? On a 6 columns matrix.
We could bet against trips... The probability for a trip to form is 1 out of 216 against 1 out of 81 for matrix vertical for dozens (1 out of 81 against quads).
with this prog 1 6 36 = 215 units
On a slingshot roulette the limits are 75 so you can bet 2 12 72 on 5 lines.
Any thoughts ? ;)
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 07:16 AM 2011
What about applying the matrix vertical to lines? On a 6 columns matrix.
We could bet against trips... The probability for a trip to form is 1 out of 216 against 1 out of 81 for matrix vertical for dozens (1 out of 81 against quads).
with this prog 1 6 36 = 215 units
On a slingshot roulette the limits are 75 so you can bet 2 12 72 on 5 lines.
Any thoughts ? ;)
This sounds very interesting Boatran8 give a us a visual example so we get exactly what you are saying thanks.
Hello John,
time to go for lunch. Results of an half an hour game on a slingshot roulette:
114163
215401
154346--> bet 2nd column W
536023
644255
050455
624562--> bet 5th and 6th col WW
356464
516311--> bet 4th col W
464 --> bet3rd col W
4 units won on the first step in half an hour...
Let me know if you have questions.
And do not hesitate to test on live wheels and post your results. Looking good so far... :)
Just want to add sthing , a little of theory :
trips forming on dozens = 1 out of 27 (3*3*3)
2 of a kind forming on lines = 1 out 36 (6*6)
Which is quite the same prob of course.
But when it comes to next step :
Quad on dozens : 1 out of 81 (3*3*3*3)
Trips on lines : 1 out of 216 (6*6*6)
Conclusion : as easy for a 2 of a kind to form in lines than for a trips on dozens but theoritically much more difficult for a trip to form on lines than for a quad to form on dozens...
VERY INTERESTING, no ?
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 07:27 AM 2011
Hello John,
time to go for lunch. Results of an half an hour game on a slingshot roulette:
114163
215401--> bet 2nd column W
154346
536023
644255
050455--> bet 5th and 6th column WW
624562
356464
516311--> bet 4th col W
464 --> bet3rd col W
4 units won on the first step in half an hour...
Let me know if you have questions.
And do not hesitate to test on live wheels and post your results. Looking good so far... :)
So just to make sure ive got this. We record spins for the 6 lines in a 6 wide matrix. Any line that forms a VERTICAL DOUBLE, becomes a game TRIGGER. We now bet against it becoming a VERTICAL TREBLE, by covering the other 5 LINES? Love this idea, Will start testing it along side my real play for MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD.
You have it John!
Please post the results of your testings. Thanks.
I'll also continue to test and post.
BTW limits at Smart Live Casino on lines are 150 so you can bet 4 with a 3 step prog. But maybe a 2 step prog would be enough... That's what I am having a look at.
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 08:09 AM 2011
You have it John!
Please post the results of your testings. Thanks.
I'll also continue to test and post.
by the way limits at Smart Live Casino on lines are 150 so you can bet 4 with a 3 step prog. But maybe a 2 step prog would be enough... That's what I am having a look at.
Boatran8 I think youve hit something pretty special here, its hard enough for line doubles to form let alone trebles. I have recorded 60 spins just now at betfreds backtracking the history bar to speed things up I only got TWO VERTICAL DOUBLES both did not become TREBLES. This is looking pretty amazing early days but a three step progression may be nuclear proof.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 27, 09:21 AM 2011
Boatran8 I think youve hit something pretty special here, its hard enough for line doubles to form let alone trebles. I have recorded 60 spins just now at betfreds backtracking the history bar to speed things up I only got TWO VERTICAL DOUBLES both did not become TREBLES. This is looking pretty amazing early days but a three step progression may be nuclear proof.
Sorry John but my english is sh**... May you reformulate please??? :) I don't get you... In a few minutes I'll post my results otherwise
Here are my results for a one hour session on a slingshot roulette:
311564
436645
032641
112233 WWW
466221 W
346343 W
562656 W
653164
644254
545416 WW
231255 W
413324
220332
232043 L because of the zero :(
431405 W
32 W
So this is 10W on step 1. And 1W on step 2 (the 0 came).
Within 92 spins. I think I'll stick to a 3 steps prog.
To sum my results up:
149 spins / 1 hour and a half
15 wins the first step
1 win the second step because of the green 0
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 09:23 AM 2011
Sorry John but my English is sh**... May you reformulate please??? :) I don't get you... In a few minutes I'll post my results otherwise
Okay in short it looks AMAZING.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 27, 09:33 AM 2011
Okay in short it looks AMAZING.
100% agree. I definitely love this mod... :)
Just a thought concerning the progression: I think it was GLC who suggested using the grand martingale progression on vertical matrix quad, which I think is the best solution because you gain 1 unit for every betting opportunity, not 1 not 1 unit for every win. Since the betting opps are limited in both that method and this, I think a grand marti would be better here as well, with very little change in the risk.
boatran8 progression: 1,6, 36 = 215 units played, wins 1 unit every win
grand martingale for streets: 1, 7, 43 = 255 units played, wins 1 unit every play after you get the same win
This will add value to a great little system - well done, boatran8! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 09:37 AM 2011
Just a thought concerning the progression: I think it was GLC who suggested using the grand martingale progression on vertical matrix quad, which I think is the best solution because you gain 1 unit for every betting opportunity, not 1 not 1 unit for every win. Since the betting opps are limited in both that method and this, I think a grand marti would be better here as well, with very little change in the risk.
boatran8 progression: 1,6, 36 = 215 units played, wins 1 unit every win
grand martingale for streets: 1, 7, 43 = 255 units played, wins 1 unit every play after you get the same win
This will add value to a great little system - well done, boatran8! :thumbsup:
Nice touch Colbster I think Boatran8 has just come up with the ULTIMATE way to play the MATRIX VERTICAL concept. Ive often thought about lines but never really tested them. Will play 200 games and post my results.
Full credit to you Boatran8....
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 09:37 AM 2011
Just a thought concerning the progression: I think it was GLC who suggested using the grand martingale progression on vertical matrix quad, which I think is the best solution because you gain 1 unit for every betting opportunity, not 1 not 1 unit for every win. Since the betting opps are limited in both that method and this, I think a grand marti would be better here as well, with very little change in the risk.
boatran8 progression: 1,6, 36 = 215 units played, wins 1 unit every win
grand martingale for streets: 1, 7, 43 = 255 units played, wins 1 unit every play after you get the same win
This will add value to a great little system - well done, boatran8! :thumbsup:
Hi Colbster,
I agree with you on the grand Marti concept. Actually it just depends on where you play and at what stakes...
Waiting to see more results from others and the 200 games of Johnlegend but anyway I think I'll play the matrix on lines rather than on dozens because of the probabilities behind this one as I explained it before.
Full credits also to Johnlengend and ScoobyDoo and others who elaborated the matrix.
Thank you ALL!
;)
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 09:57 AM 2011
Hi Colbster,
I agree with you on the grand Marti concept. Actually it just depends on where you play and at what stakes...
Waiting to see more results from others and the 200 games of Johnlegend but anyway I think I'll play the matrix on lines rather than on dozens because of the probabilities behind this one as I explained it before.
Full credits also to Johnlengend and ScoobyDoo and others who elaborated the matrix.
Thank you ALL!
;)
And A huge thankyou to you Boatran8 Twisteruk, Atlantis and myself forged MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD. It is amazing. Even though Twister recently found a FIVE QUAD. Getting one in REALTIME play will still be Rare.
Now I think youve taken this concept to the ULTIMATE LEVEL, GETTING a 3 TRIP for lines may be RARER than A 5 QUAD for DOZENS. Amazing. Everybody start testing this idea NOW, I will tell you straight. Its going to be HUGE.
Hi Boatran nice work .In the last week i already made some test on line (matrix vert. concept),
but i use only 4 columns not 6, and wait 3 verticals trigger and bet to not become quads.
Looks very good until now and i use also 3 progression steps. I think is safer wait 4 verticals
trigger and bet 2 or 3 progression steps.
And Johnlegend this is not the ultimate way to play the matrix vertical concept,
we all have to try to do it even better :thumbsup: ....I am testing on:
1. Lines(above) but in 4 columns, and trigger 3 or 4 verticals
2. Streets ...4groups/3 streets each one , so ABCD, each one have 9 numbers
put in three or four columns ,wait trigger 4 verticals and bet only two progr. steeps
on 9 streets(so three groups, ex: ACD after trigger vertical BBBB)
3. Streets again (all 12 ) and put in 6 columns, wait for 3(4) verticals and bet only
two progression steps
4. Two 16 numbers groups (A and B) + group C (only 5 numbers) , cold be 4 corners
groups. Put in 3 or 4 columns , wait for 3 or 4 verticals and bet 4 or 5 progression steps.
Trigger CCC vertical not valid , bet only when AAA or BBB vertical.
Sorry for my english i am still learning .....and let s test, test.....until find the bests...
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Mar 27, 10:43 AM 2011
Hi Boatran nice work .In the last week I already made some test on line (matrix vert. concept),
but I use only 4 columns not 6, and wait 3 verticals trigger and bet to not become quads.
Looks very good until now and I use also 3 progression steps. I think is safer wait 4 verticals
trigger and bet 2 or 3 progression steps.
And Johnlegend this is not the ultimate way to play the matrix vertical concept,
we all have to try to do it even better :thumbsup: ....I am testing on:
1. Lines(above) but in 4 columns, and trigger 3 or 4 verticals
2. Streets ...4groups/3 streets each one , so ABCD, each one have 9 numbers
put in three or four columns ,wait trigger 4 verticals and bet only two progr. steeps
on 9 streets(so three groups, ex: ACD after trigger vertical BBBB)
3. Streets again (all 12 ) and put in 6 columns, wait for 3(4) verticals and bet only
two progression steps
4. Two 16 numbers groups (A and B) + group C (only 5 numbers) , cold be 4 corners
groups. Put in 3 or 4 columns , wait for 3 or 4 verticals and bet 4 or 5 progression steps.
Trigger CCC vertical not valid , bet only when AAA or BBB vertical.
Sorry for my English I am still learning .....and let s test, test.....until find the bests...
cheers
Hello Kattila,
can you post the results of your testing on lines please? Like we do there, in order to see if there is a better strike rate...
I think betting on a 4 columns wide matrix gives you more opportunities but at the same time waiting for a trip to form is quite rare so I don't know if it worths it.
Live results could really help to determine which is the best.
Thank you :thumbsup:
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 10:48 AM 2011
Hello Kattila,
can you post the results of your testing on lines please? Like we do there, in order to see if there is a better strike rate...
I think betting on a 4 columns wide matrix gives you more opportunities but at the same time waiting for a trip to form is quite rare so I don't know if it worths it.
Live results could really help to determine which is the best.
Thank you :thumbsup:
Katilla you have a point but my experience tells me 6 wide against line TRIPS IS THE ONE. First thing you need to take onboard, REPEATS ON A LINE in themselves dont go BEYOND 3 in a row very often. And thats left to right. The chances of RANDOM going around 3 CYCLES OF 6 spins and landing a line in the same place is going to prove HARD. The chances of RANDOM doing it THREE TIMES IN A ROW??? Boatran8 has hit a DIAMOND MINE HERE, mark my words...
I am bumping up against the table limits (30) on No-Zero BV, so have shifted to a different mechanism. I am only playing 0.10 chips, but betting every single spin. I am betting against a double every spin. When I get a double, I then move into a 0.70, 4.30, 25.90 progression. It still lets you have 3 steps, so not problem there. It pays 0.10 every single spin, which approximates that of only playing against trips. The only time you lose the 0.10 bet, you are starting at the 0.70 level of the progression, so you essentially are creating a 4-step progression which I don't every see being broken.
Nice approach Colbster. Aren't the limits different on the European BV wheel ? Higher maybe?
Please also let us know if you go further than your 4 step prog.
How many units do you get per hour?
Thanks
Quick live session on Castle Casino
51 spins
W W W W L(0) W
Looks ok to me
regards
Alf
I did a real basic tracker for this program, as I find it harder to keep up with the streets than the dozens when playing autoplay on BV No-Zero. The numbers just come too quickly for me to follow, so I created a spreadsheet. Type the actual number into the area on the left of the screen, Columns A-F, down as far as Row 100. The streets will be converted into the matrix on the right. I also included conditional formatting for anyone who is using Excel 2007 or better. I missed a couple betting opportunities because I was watching the numbers and not keeping up with the duplicates as well as I should. Now, when you get a duplicate, it will automatically change the formatting of the cell to green with a yellow font for easy identification. Hope it helps!
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 11:23 AM 2011
I did a real basic tracker for this program, as I find it harder to keep up with the streets than the dozens when playing autoplay on BV No-Zero. The numbers just come too quickly for me to follow, so I created a spreadsheet. Type the actual number into the area on the left of the screen, Columns A-F, down as far as Row 100. The streets will be converted into the matrix on the right. I also included conditional formatting for anyone who is using Excel 2007 or better. I missed a couple betting opportunities because I was watching the numbers and not keeping up with the duplicates as well as I should. Now, when you get a duplicate, it will automatically change the formatting of the cell to green with a yellow font for easy identification. Hope it helps!
Please may you create a copy for Office 2003? .xls
Thank you for your job
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 11:22 AM 2011
How many units do you get per hour?
Thanks
I saved bets for each of the 6 streets for ease of betting, allowing me to get about 6 spins per minute, 360 and hour or so if I was going gung-ho. 36 euros an hour handily beats my real-world wages. :)
Here is the 2003 .xls. The earlier Excel versions did not allow for conditional formatting, so that feature will not exist.
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 11:26 AM 2011
I saved bets for each of the 6 streets for ease of betting, allowing me to get about 6 spins per minute, 360 and hour or so if I was going gung-ho. 36 euros an hour handily beats my real-world wages. :)
Even better than an quick airball... Lets wish you won't go busted... Let us know!!
And thanks for the 2003 sheet! ;)
Okkkkk PARTY TIME ;D
So whats best guys ?
Playin against doubles or Trips ? Or Both ?
Im gonna test this out on PP SlingShot :thumbsup:
84 spins more. A one hour session.
Results : WWLWWWWW (7 units).
So from the beginning :
Step 1 : 21 W
Step 2 : 2 W
Step 3 : 0
233 spins
Enjoy! :thumbsup:
:)
We need to clarify the odds here. :( The odds of a triple are 1 in 216, only if we expect a triple to form straight away. However, betting that doubles will not become triples is actually only a 1 in 6 bet. The double has already formed, creating our trigger. The only chance we have is the 1 in 6 on the 3rd spin. Same for a double - the first spin is already set in stone, we just have a 1 in 6 chance of hitting a duplicate. The real advantage comes from the continuous nature we are betting against - that it will come up with duplicates 3 or 4 times in a row. That is where the 1 in 216 (3 in a row) or 1 in 1,296 (4 in a row) comes into play. Honestly, the odds of a double are exactly the same as a triple, if we are only playing against the final spin. We can play against a single going to a triple, giving us the 1 in 36, and that is actually what I think I am doing by playing 1 unit against the double and then moving up the progression only against the triple.
Either way, it seems to be a viable method that is catching the imagination of a lot of the vertical matrix fans. I'm excited to see where this goes!! :smile:
I have just read this system but dont understand it all because you bet against triples in a 6 wide matrix and a double is the trigger but you have to cover the other 5 lines witch lines do you mean ?
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 11:45 AM 2011
We need to clarify the odds here. :( The odds of a triple are 1 in 216, only if we expect a triple to form straight away. However, betting that doubles will not become triples is actually only a 1 in 6 bet. The double has already formed, creating our trigger. The only chance we have is the 1 in 6 on the 3rd spin. Same for a double - the first spin is already set in stone, we just have a 1 in 6 chance of hitting a duplicate. The real advantage comes from the continuous nature we are betting against - that it will come up with duplicates 3 or 4 times in a row. That is where the 1 in 216 (3 in a row) or 1 in 1,296 (4 in a row) comes into play. Honestly, the odds of a double are exactly the same as a triple, if we are only playing against the final spin. We can play against a single going to a triple, giving us the 1 in 36, and that is actually what I think I am doing by playing 1 unit against the double and then moving up the progression only against the triple.
Either way, it seems to be a viable method that is catching the imagination of a lot of the vertical matrix fans. I'm excited to see where this goes!! :smile:
Thanks for this clarification Colbster. Indeed I agree with you on the odds for a triple to form (1 in 36).
But I can't get the 3 in a row (1 in 216)... May you explain a little bit more please?
Quote from: Post on Mar 27, 12:01 PM 2011
I have just read this system but don't understand it all because you bet against triples in a 6 wide matrix and a double is the trigger but you have to cover the other 5 lines witch lines do you mean ?
Hello Post,
a line is 6 numbers.
Line 1 : 1-6
Line 2 : 7-12
and so on
So you write from left to right the lines you get. When a 2 of a kind forms you bet against to be a triple.
Ex :
153426
165232
next bet you bet lines 2-3-4-5-6, against line 1 (column 1)
Is it clearer now?
Yes thanks was still thinking in dozens :D
Do we just bet when we se a double? No trigger?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 27, 12:10 PM 2011
Do we just bet when we se a double? No trigger?
Jon
Hello Jon,
Right, no trigger needed according to my testings. And you bet after a double has formed.
Cheers
Major warning!!!!! :( :o I just lost my entire bankroll. All of it except 0.02 euros. Do not bet against a series in the same column. I just had 7 straight in street 2. Wow - that hurts!
Let me clarify, because that just made no sense when I read it. If you lose on a triple, do not bet it won't move to a quad. Or a 5, 6, or 7. Wait until a new street appears and start fresh.
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 12:16 PM 2011
Major warning!!!!! :( :o I just lost my entire bankroll. All of it except 0.02 euros. Do not bet against a series in the same column. I just had 7 straight in street 2. Wow - that hurts!
Hmm... Sorry to hear that Colbster.
Do you mean you had stuff like that :
125633
223544
625411
524122
321311
125555
123444
?
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 12:16 PM 2011
Major warning!!!!! :( :o I just lost my entire bankroll. All of it except 0.02 euros. Do not bet against a series in the same column. I just had 7 straight in street 2. Wow - that hurts!
Ouch! I agree. Only bet once for the triple not to form. Wait for a new unique double formation (different line number) in that column before any more bets made in that particular column...
A.
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 27, 12:17 PM 2011
Let me clarify, because that just made no sense when I read it. If you lose on a triple, do not bet it won't move to a quad. Or a 5, 6, or 7. Wait until a new street appears and start fresh.
Agree too, but surprising anyway... Maybe because this is an RNG...
Another quick live session - Dublin Table 2
39 spins
W W W W W W (all first bet)
Hope my luck continues
Alf
Yet another quick live one
Smartlive 25p auto
42 spins
W W W W W (all first bet)
May it continue
Alf
Quote from: POUNDMAKER on Mar 27, 01:34 PM 2011
Yet another quick live one
Smartlive 25p auto
42 spins
W W W W W (all first bet)
May it continue
Alf
Great. Thanks for sharing your results Alf.
I
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 27, 12:20 PM 2011
Ouch! I agree. Only bet once for the triple not to form. Wait for a new unique double formation (different line number) in that column before any more bets made in that particular column...
A.
Yes Ive played 30 games now DO NOT try to outlive ONE VERTICAL COLUMN. Stick to the plan as Atlantis said. RANDOM Can land in one spot 9 times. Ive had to line QUADS and a QUINTET already. BUT NO 3 TRIPS
Just testing this in 100 spin sessions
100 spins
13 W
12 @ 1st step
1 @ 2nd step
BW
100 spins
14 W all @ 1st step
BW
Another session :
82 spins / one hour
11 W all @ 1st step
So from the beginning :
Step 1 : 32 W
Step 2 : 2 W
Step 3 : 0
315 spins
how about just using 2 steps of the progression 1-6 and if lose try to recover with 2-12 total risk 105
What do you think of a 2 steps prog, as it is seems very rare to go 2nd step? Is it too early to talk about it?
We could bet 25, 150 ... BR needed 875
It would return 250 units per hour...
And take 35 wins to recover (3 hours) in case we go over step 2.
Let me know please what you think.
boatran i just posted a idea on using only 2 steps of progression ;) what do you think ?
Sorry Post I didn't see you posted about that :)
Indeed that's nice because we might bet more near table limits (10 or more per line)...
Let's see what others think but I think we still need more testing...
I wish one could go to the third step :D
Boatroan how much units do you think you make an hour with 1-6 progression ?
Hi Guys,
Just did a test on RGN. (That's All I Have)
Results:
106 Spins
Won +11
No Losses
Went to the Third Level of the Progression Twice
Scooby Doo
Quote from: Post on Mar 27, 02:21 PM 2011
Boatroan how much units do you think you make an hour with 1-6 progression ?
On a slingshot airball live wheel like the one at Paddy or Ladbrokes, you get 84 spins an hour on average.
From the beginning of my testings, i make 10 units on average every 84 spins...
So it's 10 units per hour.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Mar 27, 02:28 PM 2011
Hi Guys,
Just did a test on RGN. (That's All I Have)
Results:
106 Spins
Won +11
No Losses
Went to the Third Level of the Progression Twice
Scooby Doo
Hi Scooby,
ahhh RNG... I think personnally you wouldn't have gone over step 2 on a live wheel.
I just want to underline you went twice to third step in 100 spin with your RNG.
Within my 300 spins on an airball, I just went twice to second step.
BTW do you remember how many times you won by step 2 ?
Thanks
boatran with this system the progression 1-6 total 35 is worth the risk dont you think ?
Just wondering why we're not using the MATRIX 7 here instead of a MATRIX 6...
Ok - so there is 6 numbers to track instead of 3 - but what reason for reducing to a grid of 6?
Or is it because we're hunting against VERTICAL LINE TRIPLES as opposed to VERTICAL DOZ QUADS?
A.
Quote from: Post on Mar 27, 02:47 PM 2011
Boatran with this system the progression 1-6 total 35 is worth the risk don't you think ?
Well, I too would prefer a 2 steps prog as the third one really goes up and annoy us to bet high stakes.
Would you go for a recovery of 2, 12 if it fails for a total of 105 ?
You'd recover within 18 wins...
Or would you start from scratch ?
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 27, 02:52 PM 2011
Just wondering why we're not using the MATRIX 7 here instead of a MATRIX 6...
Ok - so there is 6 numbers to track instead of 3 - but what reason for reducing to a grid of 6?
Or is it because we're hunting against VERTICAL LINE TRIPLES as opposed to VERTICAL DOZ QUADS?
A.
Atlantis,
I would say that is because there are six lines and thus it optimizes random. Of course you can widen the matrix but you'll get less opportunities I think.
Sorry if it seems not clear but that's logical to me.
Maybe others would give other enlightment...
I think i would use the progression 1-6 and 2-12 to recover just because you wouldn't need a big stake to bet ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 27, 02:58 PM 2011
I think I would use the progression 1-6 and 2-12 to recover just because you wouldn't need a big stake to bet ;)
Well I'm still waiting for someone to get 3 triples in a row. And to know how many spins they got to this...
Just to see if it worth it. In that case, I'll bet like 10, 60 and 20, 120 in case I need to recover (18 wins).
That would make 100 units per hour... Enough for me :D
Edit : GOT IT
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 02:55 PM 2011
Atlantis,
I would say that is because there are six lines and thus it optimizes random. Of course you can widen the matrix but you'll get less opportunities I think.
Sorry if it seems not clear but that's logical to me.
Maybe others would give other enlightment...
No harm in experimenting with different grids. Once I have 1,200 spins I'm going to run them through a FIVE AND SEVEN WIDE GRID. To see how they compare. Here are my results for my first 50 GAMES...
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 50
TOTAL GAMES WON 50
BALANCE PLUS 60 POINTS
STRIKERATE 100%
STEP 1 WINS 36
STEP 2 WINS 12
STEP 3 WINS 2
STAKING PLAN
LEVEL 1=5X1-PLUS 1
LEVEL 2=5X7-PLUS 2
LEVEL 3=5X40 BREAK EVEN
THE GOOD NEWS, I'm giving this method the ultimate test LADBROKES RNG, and its holding up. No snipe betting just PLAY...
I will update when I reach 100
just did 100 spins 19 wins first step wins and then bust
I played the 2 progression 1-6
223645
314644
12564Bust
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 27, 03:14 PM 2011
No harm in experimenting with different grids. Once I have 1,200 spins I'm going to run them through a FIVE AND SEVEN WIDE GRID. To see how they compare. Here are my results for my first 50 GAMES...
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 50
TOTAL GAMES WON 50
BALANCE PLUS 60 POINTS
STRIKERSTE 100%
STEP 1 WINS 36
STEP 2 WINS 12
STEP 3 WINS 2
STAKING PLAN
LEVEL 1=5X1-PLUS 1
LEVEL 2=5X7-PLUS 2
LEVEL 3=5X40 BREAK EVEN
THE GOOD NEWS, I'm giving this method the ultimate test LADBROKES RNG, and its holding up. No snipe betting just PLAY...
I will update when I reach 100
It seems to me more and more clear that RNG takes you more inside the prog than a real wheel.
If we look to your results, you go 12 times to step 2 for 36 to step one what is a 1/3 ratio. Plus you go twice to third step.
My testings on real wheel shows 2 wins at step 2 for 30 wins at step 1 and none at step 3. Step 2/step1 = 1/15 which is 5 times higher than the rate step2/step1 on ladbrokes RNG.
Quote from: Post on Mar 27, 03:21 PM 2011
Just did 100 spins 19 wins first step wins and then bust
I played the 2 progression 1-6
223645
314644
12564Bust
Ohhh you played live or RNG?
You have to recover now... and maybe go for a 3 steps prog next time
Quote from: Post on Mar 27, 03:21 PM 2011
Just did 100 spins 19 wins first step wins and then bust
I played the 2 progression 1-6
223645
314644
12564Bust
Two steps is not enough. I Think 1 Trigger and the three step progression for an RNG On a live wheel I think that would be near invincible or a ridiculous strikerate...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 27, 03:31 PM 2011
Two steps is not enough. I Think 1 Trigger and the three step progression for an RNG On a live wheel I think that would be near invincible or a ridiculous strikerate...
If I understand you well John, do you suggest a trigger plus a three steps prog even on a live wheel ?
Thanks
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 03:24 PM 2011
It seems to me more and more clear that RNG takes you more inside the prog than a real wheel.
If we look to your results, you go 12 times to step 2 for 36 to step one what is a 1/3 ratio. Plus you go twice to third step.
My testings on real wheel shows 2 wins at step 2 for 30 wins at step 1 and none at step 3. Step 2/step1 = 1/15 which is 5 times higher than the rate step2/step1 on ladbrokes RNG.
Its always harder to beat an RNG Boatran8, afterall its MANMADE GENERATED RANDOM, so it will produce odd suspicious results compared to a live wheel...
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 03:39 PM 2011
If I understand you well John, do you suggest a trigger plus a three steps prog even on a live wheel ?
Thanks
Lets wait and see how it holds up on a live Boatran8 ON AN RNG? Yes, that third step is being tested too often for my liking when you consider 240 odd points are on the line. I think we need that security Boatran8.
it were live spins my results but i recovered within 200 spins and was up 20 when ended
Quote from: Post on Mar 27, 03:50 PM 2011
It were live spins my results but I recovered within 200 spins and was up 20 when ended
Ok. I have not yet seen a third step live within 400 spins now. But even if it could happen, you may recover within 160 spins or less betting 2, 12.
Well, I'm biased between a 2 levels prog with 2 steps or a 3 steps... on live wheels
72 spins
7 W all @ 1st step
I have done a SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS by the members who posted and who have played on a LIVE WHEEL.
So until now:
1019 spins
1 step : 134 wins
2nd step : 5 wins (3,6%)
3rd step : 1 (0,7%) (by Post. He was using a 1, 6 prog and recovered with a 2, 12 in 200 spins).
So I would say that a 2 level prog : 1-6 and 2-12 is ok.
The second level recovers in 18 wins.
So if we consider the present stats, net profit would have been more than 100 units. about 10 units per hour betting 1 base unit.
You can play higher stakes and earn 100 per hour.... rather safely with a 2 levels prog.
Remember, it only went once to the third step within more than 900 spins. So I think the 2 levels prog is ok (on a live wheel). 1-6 and 2-12 in case we need to recover.
Your opinion ? :)
PS : please continue posting your results. We need them to validate the betting system.
Hi Boatran8,
All my wins were on the first step except for the two times i went to the third step...no second steps. Keep in mind guys....These were RGN spins. I have no access to live wheel. I am here in the U.S.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Mar 27, 04:39 PM 2011
Hi Boatran8,
All my wins were on the first step except for the two times I went to the third step...no second steps. Keep in mind guys....These were RGN spins. I have no access to live wheel. I am here in the U.S.
Scooby Doo
I think then that if you want to play on RNG you need at least 3 steps, maybe 4 or a trigger + 3 steps but it could be hard to get a triple trigger and you'd miss opportunities...
You'd really move from the US ;)
100 spins
14 Wins
13 @ level 1
1 @ level 2
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 27, 04:48 PM 2011
100 spins
14 Wins
13 @ level 1
1 @ level 2
Thanks Buffalo, I have updated the stats made previously.
Please everyone post your results with the steps. ty :)
could not get to the casino today :( ...
was playing online for a bit, betting that the double,trip, etc... would not pop up...
and that seemed to be working well...
... jeez you guys are smart! :xd:
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 07:27 AM 2011
Hello John,
time to go for lunch. Results of an half an hour game on a slingshot roulette:
114163
215401
154346--> bet 2nd column W
536023
644255
050455
624562--> bet 5th and 6th col WW
356464
516311--> bet 4th col W
464 --> bet3rd col W
4 units won on the first step in half an hour...
Let me know if you have questions.
And do not hesitate to test on live wheels and post your results. Looking good so far... :)
Just want to add sthing , a little of theory :
trips forming on dozens = 1 out of 27 (3*3*3)
2 of a kind forming on lines = 1 out 36 (6*6)
Which is quite the same prob of course.
But when it comes to next step :
Quad on dozens : 1 out of 81 (3*3*3*3)
Trips on lines : 1 out of 216 (6*6*6)
Conclusion : as easy for a 2 of a kind to form in lines than for a trips on dozens but theoritically much more difficult for a trip to form on lines than for a quad to form on dozens...
VERY INTERESTING, no ?
could you please expplain how this is played in detail? why do the dozens go up to 6? there are only 3 dozens? or is this on something else? what is a line
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 28, 03:29 AM 2011
could you please expplain how this is played in detail? why do the dozens go up to 6? there are only 3 dozens? or is this on something else? what is a line
Hello theway2go...
Please refer to page 3 of this thread, post #30. A line is 6 numbers on the carpet... If you have other questions do not hesitate :wink:
There are also stats on topic #72 page 5...
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 28, 03:29 AM 2011
could you please expplain how this is played in detail? why do the dozens go up to 6? there are only 3 dozens? or is this on something else? what is a line
You may know a Line as a Double Street
The six lines/Double Streets are as follows
1-6
7-12
13-18
19-24
25-30
31-36
Hope that helps :thumbsup:
Hi guys.
I have only just got up to speed with this Topic,
but well done ALL of U for its content............................Most interesting!
I am going to throw this one out there like a curve ball!
Is there yet another game, (Matrix-since it looks like a Matrix, sounds like a Matrix!)
in that, we also note the hits on the Un-natural Lines?
That is to say, there are six (6) natural lines
which when laid out, covers the entire table/felt/carpet. (with Zero as the exception)
But there are 5 un-natural lines too!
I call them 'Half Lines'
and so they are :- 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5
Here what they look like 'Graphically':-
Edit - Just want to point out, that I do know what a Line bet is, its just that I can not show it graphically at the moment, until the coding of this 'FELT' feature in concluded next month after the Upgrade to this Site!
Line 1.5=
[felt]
1@4,5,6,7,8,9
[/felt]
Line 2.5=
[felt]
1@10,11,12,13,14,15
[/felt]
Line 3.5=
[felt]
1@16,17,18,19,20,21
[/felt]
Line 4.5=
[felt]
1@22,23,24,25,26,27
[/felt]
Line 5.5=
[felt]
1@28,29,30,31,32,33
[/felt]
There is also a Sixth Un-natural Line, which would combine the the first three numbers on the table/felt/carpet, with the last three numbers:-
ie. Line 0.5 or Line 6.5 depends how U want to notate it.
Line 0.5/6.5=
[felt]
1@1,2,3,34,35,36
[/felt]
That would now give U full coverage of the table/felt/carpet, in the same way as the 6 Natural Lines do.
And, if the desire was strong, U could now include Zero (Zero/Double Zero), in that last Un-natural line! *(making it a 7 number Un-natural Line)
Now, this gives rise to a whole new set of possible rules, and bet designs, in that
u have a new Matrix to bet against (in the same way U have The Title to this Topic),
or
if this was at all possible, play a new type of game:-
Natural Lines Verses Un-Natural Lines.
I'll leave that one with U Matrix/Lines boys to discuss amongst Ur-selves!!
Cheers :)
another test on Castle Live
63 spins
L L W (3rd step)
W
W
W
W
As you see I like to play for just 5 wins or units of profit.
Alf
@ POUNDMAKER
Hi.
Do U risk pence on this play or Pounds?
(No pun intended!) ::)
Quote from: chrisbis on Mar 28, 04:33 AM 2011
Natural Lines Verses Un-Natural Lines.
I'll leave that one with you Matrix/Lines boys to discuss amongst your-selves!!
Cheers :)
Thanks for your input Chrisbis. As the wheels may go fast, I find it easier to note the natural lines in the matrix but I think your approach is ok too...
Have nice testings and report! ;)
@Chrisbis
Just testing at moment, but normally play for 10p
As they say - look after the pennies, and the pounds will look after themselves
Cheers
Alf
You could also use the Grand Marti on the 2 level prog :
1-7 and 2-14 for 120 units BR
instead of 1-6 2-12 for a 105 units BR...
105 spins
9 W @ 1 step
1 W @ 2nd step
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 28, 05:44 AM 2011
You could also use the Grand Marti on the 2 level prog :
1-7 and 2-14 for 120 units BR
instead of 1-6 2-12 for a 105 units BR...
Probably not worth it but for 125 units you could bet that a double
will appear. 125 units gives you 19 spins. Or for 255 units you get 29 spins.
Quote from: eluka on Mar 28, 07:56 AM 2011
Probably not worth it but for 125 units you could bet that a double will appear. 125 units gives you 19 spins. Or for 255 units you get 29 spins.
I would advise you wait for a 10 spin trigger of non matches first. I've got streaks of 29-31-32 no match on the lines. UP to 80 games now using a trigger so slowed down play but feel more secure about my bankroll. step three has been tested 4 times now. But remember this is an RNG. What is noteable, is any time a treble forms most go on to become QUADS OR QUINTETS. So you could have 25 spins without even a double and the next thing you see is a quad. Its a different kind of behaviour to MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD. :o :o
Rng play, no zero. If we play against double, do we ever get more then 2 loss successively? I guess we do, but not me for now :)
[attachthumb=#]
Last couple of trips down the grosvenor Casino were a bust for me I'm afraid. However
I recorded all the numbers on the tracking slips. Ive crunched them through this system to see if I would have fared any better and this is what the results were.
26-03-2011 Grosvenor Automated Wheel
181 Spins, +16 units.
15 wins at level 1
1 win at level 2 (due to 0 popping up)
22-03-2011 Grosvenor Automated Wheel
116 spins, + 11 units
10 wins at level 1
1 win at level 2(line 6 formed a treble)
Looks like I am definately gonna try this system for real next time Im down there. ::)
Ive tested other numbers from previous sessions and it has not busted yet.
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 07:16 AM 2011
What about applying the matrix vertical to lines? On a 6 columns matrix.
We could bet against trips... The probability for a trip to form is 1 out of 216 against 1 out of 81 for matrix vertical for dozens (1 out of 81 against quads).
with this prog 1 6 36 = 215 units
On a slingshot roulette the limits are 75 so you can bet 2 12 72 on 5 lines.
Any thoughts ? ;)
dont you mean double streets?
LOL at all the matrix bs, i tried this with dozens and while i was 5 units up its still a pile of crap cos its still f ckin random!!!
Double streets = Lines.
There are 6 Natural Lines on the table/Felt.
There are also 5 Un-Natural Lines on there Too.
I and others call them Half lines.
Thus here is a typical *Lines* bet when chasing a Matrix sequence.
[felt]
1@DS1
1@DS2
1@DS3
1@DS5
1@DS6
[/felt]
Which is chasing the hope that the ball will not land in Line 4 (Double Street 4)
But here's another version of the similar *Lines* bet, especially good, if Street 1, and Street 12 have been either hitting TOO frequently, or are fast asleep!!
[felt]
1@DS12
1@DS23
1@DS34
1@DS45
1@DS56
[/felt]
Here's the PHP code for these Felt presentations for those that want to know HOW!
[felt]
1@DS1
1@DS2
1@DS3
1@DS5
1@DS6
[/felt]
and......
[felt]
1@DS12
1@DS23
1@DS34
1@DS45
1@DS56
[/felt]
Quote from: qwerty on Jul 31, 07:10 AM 2011
LoL at all the matrix bs, I tried this with dozens and while I was 5 units up its still a pile of nonsense cos its still f ckin random!!!
Why do you bother? If you are convinced you will never beat this game. LEAVE IT ALONE.
But do spare us the whinging and feeling sorry for yourself. I've seen too many sorry losers like yourself over the last 16 years. Like the idiots who cry foul play when the dealer spins four of the same number.
Or 16 plus of the same EVEN CHANCE. All of a sudden its fixed, magnets must be under the wheel. Such fools have no understanding or business playing this game.
So if you can only be negative, give it up and stay off this forum. Join a forum where you will be at home with a bunch of pesimistic losers. Punters lounge and VLS spring to mind.
Go and whinge your life away with them...
Quote from: qwerty on Jul 31, 07:10 AM 2011
LoL at all the matrix bs, I tried this with dozens and while I was 5 units up its still a pile of nonsense cos its still f ckin random!!!
Why do you bother? If you are convinced you will never beat this game. LEAVE IT ALONE.
But do spare us the whinging and feeling sorry for yourself. I've seen too many sorry losers like yourself over the last 16 years. Like the idiots who cry foul play when the dealer spins four of the same number.
Or 16 plus of the same EVEN CHANCE. All of a sudden its fixed, magnets must be under the wheel. Such fools have no understanding or business playing this game.
So if you can only be negative, give it up and stay off this forum. Join a forum where you will be at home with a bunch of pesimistic losers. Punters lounge and VLS spring to mind.
Go and whinge your life away with them...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 31, 07:26 AM 2011
Why do you bother? If you are convinced you will never beat this game. LEAVE IT ALONE.
But do spare us the whinging and feeling sorry for yourself. I've seen too many sorry losers like yourself over the last 16 years. Like the idiots who cry foul play when the dealer spins four of the same number.
Or 16 plus of the same EVEN CHANCE. All of a sudden its fixed, magnets must be under the wheel. Such fools have no understanding or business playing this game.
So if you can only be negative, give it up and stay off this forum. Join a forum where you will be at home with a bunch of pesimistic losers. Punters lounge and VLS spring to mind.
Go and whinge your life away with them...
why do i bother? lol i could say the same about you. And no i wont leave the game alone cos roulette is supposed to be a game of fun, where as you think it can be beaten LMAO, who the hell do you think you are? you cant overwright einsten why the hell would i listen to a ratbag like you? and whos feeling sorry for themselves not me, i think you will find it is you cos your in denial. VLS is a shitty forum btw i think you should troddle off there you little cry baby!!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 31, 07:25 AM 2011
Why do you bother? If you are convinced you will never beat this game. LEAVE IT ALONE.
But do spare us the whinging and feeling sorry for yourself. I've seen too many sorry losers like yourself over the last 16 years. Like the idiots who cry foul play when the dealer spins four of the same number.
Or 16 plus of the same EVEN CHANCE. All of a sudden its fixed, magnets must be under the wheel. Such fools have no understanding or business playing this game.
So if you can only be negative, give it up and stay off this forum. Join a forum where you will be at home with a bunch of pesimistic losers. Punters lounge and VLS spring to mind.
Go and whinge your life away with them...
you have posted this post twice, stop spamming!
You have contributed alot to this forum??? Or thats what i read in your last post on another thread. You have 20 posts and they have all been BS! What do you want from here? apart from you not being able to read/write you just attack people for no reason.
JL has contributed more to this forum than you EVER will.
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Sorry,
I wanted to reply to the first few posts and only thought the thread had one page....
Seems to me the BR is just way too huge though.......
Flat betting might be nice....
Quote from: boatran8 on Mar 27, 02:09 PM 2011
What do you think of a 2 steps prog, as it is seems very rare to go 2nd step? Is it too early to talk about it?
We could bet 25, 150 ... BR needed 875
It would return 250 units per hour...
And take 35 wins to recover (3 hours) in case we go over step 2.
Let me know please what you think.
I say wait for a double then use the 2 step progression.............
cool
Good find RG!
Sometimes i think simple system are overlooked.
Am testing now with variations.
Up and down but +75 units in about 240 spins betting 1 unit bets.
It's a slow method. Because we wait for two of the same vertically in the matrix
But serious lack of triplets makes it appealing
Did you bet every spin or only after a double?
203 spins
Cool mortagon
I'm surprised at the number of triggers
I see some triples there
I think the consensus of one bet after a double only is a good bet
then wait for another trigger
I like reading john legend inspired methods.
I happen to be a fan of matrix style betting
I know he was banned but is he still around somewhere?
I miss how the forum used to be
Was cool
No offense to falkor but this new stuff is bat shit crazy
Oh RG, I was playing it wrong but it is working :)
Playing every spin, 1 unit and because doubles rarely appear, I double units but only on the next spin.
hey bettingking
based on current testing this does seem like a solid method
my suggestion is if you bet every spin, stop on a loss (in that column), as that double can become a triple
perhaps a two step progression
i dont think two doubles will happen in a row vertically
to lose every spins with a two step progression you would need something like:
126432
616421
Yes I revert back to 1 unit regardless so good call!
that double on next spin you mentioned, makes recovery faster....this may be good
cant get excited yet
but it seems good
airball here i come
In your example you would be down 11 units in that row and recovery would only take 11 spins or 2 rows if no repeat.
vertically most ive seen is 3 in a row
so if you wait for 2 in a row its solid
Here is a spreadsheet I use to compare. As you can see both are ok so far so if you get game, $10 per DS = $480 or $770 in 240 spins.
good stuff man
im a matrix fan
>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
I'm not sure how others and pros see it but to me its all about odds and if you can work that in with a progression even if negative id say it is a winner. :thumbsup:
Depending on the system I sometimes risk higher units early then reduce units to protect profit.
Been betting every spin then +1 on a loss but staying at that until reach new high. Short sample played 5 games between 100-150 spins. Highest bet +7 .
Averages about 10 singles per 100 spins, 3-4 doubles and twice saw quad.
Yes i use that progession on many systems also as long as it doesnt get too deep!
Looking forward to more updates
I'm trying to think how to tweak this
To a maximum 2 step progression never beyond that
for the guys playing every single spin against the DS 6 spins back, as you know the progression in post 1 is crazy
i have not seen 3 losses in a row playing every single spin, so that progression has not failed, but it will happen
+1/-1 looks ok?
50 spins, about 1 hour at airball wheel...i say airball wheel because i probably wouldnt play this on live
PLAYING EVERY SPIN against the above outcome
656360
316655 WWLWW
452615 WWWLWL
151353 WLWWWW
564156 WWWWLW
412136 WWWLWL
315622 WLWWWW
421534 WWWWWW
26 WW
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PLAYING ONLY VERTICALLY AFTER A DOUBLE, against it becoming a triple. The good stuff
656360
316655
452615 W (col 3)
151353 W (col 4)----W (col 6)
564156 W (col 2)
412136 W (col 5)
315622 W (col 4)----W (col 6)
421534 W (col 2)
26
My conclusion: obviously the 2nd test was better. if a bet was lost, a progression for the next trigger would even out the play
original poster was definitely onto something with ONLY betting after a double vertically....each trigger was a win in one hour of play, +8 units
to me it is fascinating to have a method where each and every trigger is a winning bet
this cannot be overlooked
surprisingly enough, the double vertically trigger does not take that long to hit
Betting every spin. When get a loss, divide the loss by 3 as usually get back even within 3 spins. Look at the W/L ratio. If wish to be more aggressive, divide the loss by 2. If get another loss, rinse and repeat.
Ok RG, how about betting the opposite so everyspin hoping for a REPEAT on the previous above 6 outcomes. Would that be +11? :thumbsup:
Ok can count now....actually +13 :thumbsup:
I thought about that to
Most lines have a loss
So if you bet for a repeat it could work
A single DS progression is very mild to
You can play every spin for a repeat from above and when you have 2 doubles vertically you can play against it. So you can play both ways at the same time
Here is a single double street progression
It is no martingale. Pretty mild
I'm not saying to do this or not to do this. But here it is if you bet for an above repeat
Bet amt.....win amount
1..............05
1..............04
1..............03
2..............07
2..............05
3..............08
4..............10
5..............11
6..............11
7..............10
9..............13
11.............14
14.............18
18.............24
22.............26
On previous tests I've seen it go beyond 15 misses so might have to rethink it
Drawn back to betting against doubles because it seems very stable
I will say. Betting against a triple forming vertically is one of the most stable bets I've ever Seen. Even more stable than Lankys matrix.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 20, 11:03 PM 2017
surprisingly enough, the double vertically trigger does not take that long to hit
For all the spins you had to wait for two betting ops above, it would
seem to be. I count 1 minute a spin.
About 8 triggers per hour. If that doesn't fancy you there are other methods to explore
Well, I will.
But RG, I'm just here to help. Here is my FIRST attempt at a test. Just flipped
St. Zumma open. Open to page 103. (You can check for yourself)
2 1 3 4 3 3
6 6 1 4 5 1
6 5 4 3 6 6
6 5 0 1 1 4 <<<<<< Loss
Like I said, I'm here for you. And I'm here to help.
Do you own a bubble? Hope I didn't burst it..........
Yeah, yeah, I know. It's only one test. But you lay claim to it being
so stable.
Yea you had two triggers there. You lost one
So I wouldn't bet on that vertical until the streak of line 6 ended
Your bet once after the double. Win or lose wait until next trigger
Can you continue that test?
Show what would have happened on following lines
Showing a loss doesn't burst a bubble. We know There are triples that show
If you continue that test you can show the instability?
Reply 106. Multiple triplets, no quads
I guess if you play this method it's or sonal preference
You can bet once after a double.
Or if you lose the bet after the double you can do one more bet with a minor progression betting against a quad.
Rest of page 103
2 1 5 6 3 1 (#2 and #1 are wins)
4 2 6 1 1 3
3 2 2 2 2 2 (note 6 2's in a row)
2 1 5 1 3 4 (#1 is a win)
4 3 6 4 1 1
6 1 5 1 3 4
No more triggers. I did 3 rows on the next page and no more triggers.
It ALMOST seems as good a shot to play the other 4 lines that
are not the previous 2.
I've been playing with GLAT and profit trickler.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4661.0
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.0
To answer your earlier question about trying other stuff.
I see. The six 2s in a row are ok, as it's played vertically
It seems you can go sometime without triggers and other times they roll in