Hi guys
I have a system (betting on 25 numbers )
I have tested the system against a huge database and found out that it does lose up to max 7 in row.
Now I am facing a dilemma, should i wait for a trigger say 3 losses and then bet ?
Or should I bet every bet and stop at first loss ( So that i can exploit the winnings ).
If I decide to bet every bet untill a loss occurs, then I should figure out how to recover or better say how to resume the play.
Please advice
Hi, i find 25 numbers to many numbers to bet on , but if i would bet ...then...
Wait one virtual W, and bet until first L...so on..over and over again, go for W streaks
Progression Leveller 1,2,4,8 stay on top until new high, or use same leveller but rise
bets only after W.
Cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 02, 08:29 AM 2017
Hi, i find 25 numbers to many numbers to bet on , but if i would bet ...then...
Wait one virtual W, and bet until first L...so on..over and over again, go for W streaks
Progression Leveller 1,2,4,8 stay on top until new high, or use same leveller but rise
bets only after W.
Cheers
Thx but being sure that only 7 loss can occur in a row, wouldn't it be better waiting for 3 L and then bet ?
I know the time is the problem but at least one can achieve consistent profit.
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 02, 09:06 AM 2017
Thx but being sure that only 7 loss can occur in a row, wouldn't it be better waiting for 3 L and then bet ?
I know the time is the problem but at least one can achieve consistent profit.
The following may seem like a snarky comment on my part, but trust me when I say that I am making it in all seriousness:
Nowadays I am increasingly reluctant to use the term "consistent profit" in conjunction with anything roulette-related.
And then there is that extreme case where it goes to 8 losses. Yes, it will happen whatever the system you playing :P
Guys,
here are some tests (150 Live spins) ... max 3 L
and yes it does win flat bet!!!
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2 18
3 3 L
4 0 W
5 14 L
6 31 W
7 6 W
8 4 W
9 21 L
10 4 W
11 27 W
ID NUM
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12 25 W
13 6 W
14 1 W
15 0 W
16 8 L
17 35 L
18 17 W
19 16 L
20 31 W
21 8 W
22 24 L
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23 13 L
24 2 W
25 1 L
26 1 W
27 6 L
28 32 W
29 12 W
30 17 W
31 22 L
32 7 W
33 18 W
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34 34 L
35 30 W
36 30 W
37 25 W
38 33 L
39 2 L
40 2 W
41 28 L
42 1 L
43 14 W
44 15 W
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45 18 L
46 12 W
47 31 W
48 13 W
49 4 W
50 8 W
51 25 L
52 18 L
53 31 W
54 14 W
55 25 W
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56 14 W
57 10 W
58 27 L
59 2 W
60 6 W
61 23 L
62 7 L
63 34 W
64 2 W
65 8 W
66 15 W
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67 27 W
68 29 W
69 17 W
70 32 W
71 10 W
72 32 W
73 21 W
74 7 L
75 9 W
76 9 W
77 28 W
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78 22 W
79 15 L
80 1 L
81 26 W
82 8 L
83 17 W
84 15 W
85 7 W
86 25 W
87 34 W
88 31 W
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89 9 W
90 19 W
91 36 W
92 22 W
93 31 W
94 23 L
95 15 W
96 31 W
97 27 W
98 7 W
99 23 L
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100 19 W
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102 13 W
103 29 W
104 3 L
105 2 W
106 15 W
107 14 W
108 30 L
109 4 W
110 14 W
111 25 W
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112 35 W
113 11 W
114 2 W
115 32 L
116 34 W
117 6 L
118 17 W
119 32 L
120 9 W
121 20 L
122 5 W
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124 34 W
125 35 W
126 19 W
127 24 W
128 24 L
129 25 L
130 35 L
131 7 W
132 0 W
133 33 W
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135 19 W
136 16 W
137 35 W
138 27 W
139 33 W
140 15 W
141 27 W
142 19 W
143 33 L
144 2 L
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146 1 W
147 10 W
148 10 W
149 4 W
150 35 W
Quote from: vladir on Oct 02, 11:08 AM 2017
And then there is that extreme case where it goes to 8 losses. Yes, it will happen whatever the system you playing :P
That can happen...everything can happen.
well, losing 1000 or 2000 won't hurt you much when you are +5000 at the end of the day.
more tests..
5 W
7 W
26 L
35 W
12 W
16 L
10 W
27 W
22 W
11 W
28 L
5 W
6 W
4 W
17 L
23 W
20 W
12 W
26 L
26 W
16 W
31 W
8 W
7 W
4 W
21 W
16 W
3 L
33 L
6 W
15 W
3 W
16 W
1 W
33 W
8 W
22 L
3 W
11 L
13 W
10 L
31 W
24 L
27 W
5 W
31 W
22 W
11 W
more tests..
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12 W
24 W
27 W
7 L
16 W
27 W
23 L
35 W
9 L
19 W
14 W
26 W
28 W
14 W
0 W
25 W
18 L
0 W
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8 L
34 W
11 W
31 W
6 L
20 W
18 W
2 W
24 L
13 L
36 W
32 W
3 W
25 W
16 L
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31 W
15 W
5 W
14 W
13 W
4 L
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18 W
4 W
29 W
10 W
24 W
22 W
9 L
11 L
1 L
4 W
35 W
9 L
24 W
33 L
25 L
14 W
4 W
8 W
13 L
16 W
20 W
9 W
36 W
0 W
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30 W
1 W
18 W
14 L
8 W
15 W
7 W
33 L
28 W
25 W
10 L
11 W
0 W
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32 W
16 W
35 L
12 W
28 W
29 L
34 L
25 L
28 W
2 W
32 L
11 L
30 L
27 W
24 L
28 L
34 W
23 L
26 W
12 W
0 W
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20 L
9 W
30 W
8 W
24 W
36 L
4 L
36 W
2 L
31 W
36 W
15 W
26 W
25 W
16 L
10 W
6 W
12 W
36 W
0 W
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6 W
10 L
30 L
35 W
3 W
36 W
2 W
21 W
33 W
10 L
27 W
2 L
3 W
23 W
21 W
7 W
36 L
22 L
17 W
9 W
23 L
16 L
36 W
6 W
30 L
16 W
12 W
15 W
35 L
25 W
31 L
31 W
12 W
25 L
8 L
25 L
36 W
19 L
36 L
27 W
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34 W
24 W
22 W
20 W
33 W
32 L
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32 W
1 W
5 L
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6 W
13 L
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24 W
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10 W
12 W
8 L
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27 W
4 L
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8 W
16 W
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8 W
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7 L
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30 L
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10 W
32 W
27 W
34 W
23 W
10 W
31 L
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29 L
27 W
21 W
10 L
22 W
5 L
16 L
9 W
32 L
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23 W
26 W
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28 L
9 L
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2 W
13 W
21 W
16 W
29 L
8 L
24 L
15 W
15 L
17 W
28 W
18 L
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9 W
35 W
0 W
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26 W
10 W
19 L
29 W
26 W
1 L
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33 L
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32 W
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35 W
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36 W
6 W
31 W
29 W
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15 L
25 W
1 W
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4 W
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4 W
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13 W
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26 W
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Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 02, 08:06 AM 2017
Hi guys
I have a system (betting on 25 numbers )
I have tested the system against a huge database and found out that it does lose up to max 7 in row.
Now I am facing a dilemma, should i wait for a trigger say 3 losses and then bet ?
Or should I bet every bet and stop at first loss ( So that i can exploit the winnings ).
If I decide to bet every bet untill a loss occurs, then I should figure out how to recover or better say how to resume the play.
Please advice
King how are the 25#'s picked
25? I'm guessing you bet on 0 ?
Since you didn't answered my question yet...I'll try again here...
What's the difference in betting 2 dozens/columns vs 24 random inside straight bets ? (Forget limits)
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 03, 08:11 AM 2017
King how are the 25#'s picked
here the point, first of all none of the 25 numbers are being picked randomly... so we let the randomness aside.
100k spins from one particular live wheel have been gathered and saved in a database.
I take the last two numbers to predict which sector of the wheel the next number is going to land on... once i locate the sector (12 numbers) i select it and then cover the two sides with 12 numbers 6 on every side and i cover the zero with 1 chip.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 03, 08:16 AM 2017
25? I'm guessing you bet on 0 ?
Since you didn't answered my question yet...I'll try again here...
What's the difference in betting 2 dozens/columns vs 24 random inside straight bets ? (Forget limits)
Mate, the roulette can be exploited with physics + statitiscs.
your 24 numbers are not aligned in one or two sector... no advantage in such a selection.
my 25 numbers represent one candidate sector plus 6 additional neighbour on every side plus the 0.
a new test for 100 spins from live wheel : max 4 L occured...
15 W
1 L
19 W
25 W
14 W
30 W
19 W
15 W
7 L
32 W
3 W
29 W
13 L
11 L
24 W
35 W
15 W
12 W
22 L
24 W
12 W
15 L
35 W
32 W
29 W
36 L
6 W
4 W
24 W
27 W
3 L
5 W
27 W
21 W
3 W
33 L
30 W
10 W
29 W
1 L
15 L
1 L
26 L
25 W
7 W
32 W
27 L
9 L
12 W
23 L
1 W
29 L
7 W
18 W
30 W
12 L
14 W
6 W
36 L
15 L
19 L
0 W
9 L
22 W
17 L
8 L
1 W
6 W
1 L
13 W
18 W
1 W
7 W
2 W
14 W
26 W
17 L
19 W
20 L
33 W
28 L
7 L
16 L
27 W
23 L
34 W
32 L
8 W
28 L
36 W
2 W
26 W
2 W
8 L
23 L
18 W
Well obviously the answer was... There isnt any difference.
Unless you have accuracy of predictions.... But only IF you have that.
So you based your research on 100k spins from 1 wheel. So you gonna play only that wheel ?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 03, 08:46 AM 2017So you based your research on 100k spins. From 1 wheel or multiple wheels?
Mate, why you insisting that there's no difference! and yes it's all about accurate prediction..so why you contradict yourself.
how can you get accurate prediction based on the table layout... it's nonsense the table layout is made for the casino and not for us!
The data are from one particular wheel... the wheel where magic can happen.
Don't get me twisted. Just was curious about your answer. ;)
I couldn't care less about table layout. It's only there coz we can't place our chips on the wheel (for me).
Anyway best of luck for you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 03, 08:59 AM 2017Anyway best of luck for you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 03, 08:59 AM 2017
Don't get me twisted. Just was curious about your answer. ;)
I couldn't care less about table layout. It's only there coz we can't place our chips on the wheel (for me).
Anyway best of luck for you. :thumbsup:
why can't you place ships on the wheel?
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 09:08 AM 2017
why can't you place ships on the wheel?
They keep falling when they spin it. Very annoying. :lol:
Steve...This is in your alley. Go for it
My biggest problem is the progression... and that's the dilemma!
King the 1st 60 spins from your live spins betting 25#'s avg to hit in 2 spins
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Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 03, 09:39 AM 2017
King the 1st 60 spins from your live spins betting 25#'s avg to hit in 2 spins
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Yes exactly!
this happen almost with some dealers who spin the ball consistenly with the same speed.
another thing i am sure about, the system has never yet failed with more than 4 L in a row... still the progression a big concern
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 09:33 AM 2017
My biggest problem is the progression... and that's the dilemma!
There's the problem. Betting 25 numbers and progression. I'm afraid it's to much. I hope I'm wrong but ....I'm out :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 03, 09:47 AM 2017
There's the problem. Betting 25 numbers and progression. I'm afraid it's to much. I hope I'm wrong but ....I'm out :thumbsup:
I know that very well, that's why i am very careful with the progression.
there are two ways to approfit from this system:
Way1- bet every spin, stop at first Loss ... I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do next to recover.
Way2- wait for a trigger (2 or 3 L) and bet up to 4 Marti up.
Advantage/Disatvantage of Way1:
Quick and steady wins, less waiting BUT need to recover after first L!
Advantage/Disatvantage of Way2:
Less Risk BUT long waits and low profit
I am now sure that only Luck can make you win in roulette, and there is no holy grail in roulette, there is holy shiiiiit instead.
i have seen tonight streak of loses 9 times L... unbelievable!
i wasted my time.
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 03, 04:51 PM 2017
I am now sure that only Luck can make you win in roulette, and there is no holy grail in roulette, there is holy shiiiiit instead.
i have seen tonight streak of loses 9 times L... unbelievable!
i wasted my time.
Not really, you now know betting a random 25#'s, not the remaining 25 from the starting 37#'s gets caught. But now you've seen it miss 9 you need to redesign your method. Seen the remaining 25 miss for 6 spins and thats happened 3 times in 628 games
I told you better go for W streaks, chase the Ls is bad idea. Try that way i told you.
If you are lucky and not hit often LWLWLW... ., then you can win many times.
Or stop betting 25 numbers. Seriously! !!
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 03:55 AM 2017
I told you better go for W streaks, chase the Ls is bad idea. Try that way i told you.
If you are lucky and not hit often LWLWLW... ., then you can win many times.
Ok I want to take your advice, mate !
Can you tell me how do I resume the game after the first L I encounter ?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 04:01 AM 2017
Or stop betting 25 numbers. Seriously! !!
Yeah!
what other strategy do you suggest ?
King
over time like old Mr J says you learn whats shite. So lets upset a few forget outside bets. Just work with your starting 37 #'s, they all have to come, you need to find how.
So find each non-hits avg to hit, then the max they can take, never seen the remaining 25 take more than 6 spins, they avg to hit in 2, so if you see miss for 2 then there over due, so now consideration is given to the known max, like Winkel says if unsure dont bet.
Now i've just comeback from blood test stopped off in betfred, 20 minuets +40 units just watching my starting 37 #'s
Ok, here short example LW
L
L
W virtual, start, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
L. Stop
L virtual
L virt
W virt, bet 2u
W , bet 2 u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
W bet 4 u
W bet 1u, so reset
W bet 1u
L stop
L virt
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W virt, bet 1u
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
L stop
W virt, bet 8u
W bet 8u
W bet 4 or 8u
W bet 1u reset
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
W bet 2 u
W bet 1u
Lstop
...so on...
Your enemy with this Lw strategy is
this sequence LWLWLWL......
IRise bets only after virt W, and after real W
hopping that will catch W streak. Reset to
1u when new high or when close to your
last high, no strict rules, you decide
King as Kats posted, heres the game from betfred(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/10/04/temp_645404.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/791f)
Remember up to 19th non-hit they avg to hit in 2 spins
King even Den's hotties wins
1st 10 the 76% #9 repeat, now bet all R1's me with 2 units not 5 #1, now bet all R2's #13
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 07:42 AM 2017
Ok, here short example LW
L
L
W virtual, start, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
L. Stop
L virtual
L virt
W virt, bet 2u
W , bet 2 u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
W bet 4 u
W bet 1u, so reset
W bet 1u
L stop
L virt
L virt
Lvirt
L virt
W virt, bet 1u
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
L stop
W virt, bet 8u
W bet 8u
W bet 4 or 8u
W bet 1u reset
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
W bet 2 u
W bet 1u
Lstop
...so on...
Your enemy with this Lw strategy is
this sequence LWLWLWL......
IRise bets only after virt W, and after real W
hopping that will catch W streak. Reset to
1u when new high or when close to your
last high, no strict rules, you decide
Cool, but why should i increase bet after W?
Because when you will have bad runs will need a recovery plan, your decide
what to use negative progression after Ls, or possitive progression after W.
If you look at LW sequences , for sure will see more Ws than Ls.
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 02:24 PM 2017
Because when you will have bad runs will need a recovery plan, your decide
what to use negative progression after Ls, or possitive progression after W.
If you look at LW sequences , for sure will see more Ws than Ls.
Thx, how would you progress with such outcomes?
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Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 02:24 PM 2017
Because when you will have bad runs will need a recovery plan, your decide
what to use negative progression after Ls, or possitive progression after W.
If you look at LW sequences , for sure will see more Ws than Ls.
but raising your stake AFTER a win means you're more likely to lose any gain in the next spin. Anyone who has played positive progressions knows this.
QuoteThx, how would you progress with such outcomes?
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stamp colecting
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There is an innovated technique called "SQUARE ROOT Staking System"...
Basically, you increase you increase your stake after a WIN by the Square Root of your Profit, and you go back to your Basic stake after a Loss.
further Information found below in the URL link:://nag-nag-nag.co.uk/staking-plans/stakes/
what do you think about this?
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ko = L
v= virtual
r = real
Can use 1,2,4,8 ( 16, 32 optional)
L/W bet unit size
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ko v
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ok r 4u
ok r 1u, reset
ko r stop
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ko r stop ( bad run >:D )
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Be ready sometimes for sessions from hell, use stop lose .
I still belive you bet to many numbers ( 25) , you must look at something
with less numbers / max 12 numbers to bet .
cheers
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 03:21 PM 2017
but raising your stake AFTER a win means you're more likely to lose any gain in the next spin. Anyone who has played positive progressions knows this.
You can lose/win with both, negative or possitive progression, more
IMPORTANT is the bet selection......
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 03:42 PM 2017
You can lose/win with both, negative or possitive progression, more
IMPORTANT is the bet selection......
Kattila... all Progressions lead to hell...
I tweaked the system and added some improvements so that flat bet became profitable.. below is test over 500 spins>
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Profit= 4059 - 3400 = 659
Then go and make some cash.
You know 500 spins are nothing, try to simulate for long run.
I have systems that can survive flat bet for xxx xxx spins.
The idea behind that LW strategys i posted is that one can try to
avoid some bad runs , the progression (or flat bet) is your choise.
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 04:32 PM 2017
Then go and make some cash.
You know 500 spins are nothing, try to simulate for long run.
I have systems that can survive flat bet for xxx xxx spins.
The idea behind that LW strategys i posted is that one can try to
avoid some bad runs , the progression (or flat bet) is your choise.
I totally agree with you, need further tests... but keep in mind flatbet requires a relative big Bankroll.
according to you how much tests are required to prove the correct functioning of a system?
Many players will say need to test millions of spins .
I say at least 50 000 .......100 000 spins, we have only one life....
Let s say your first ( **longterm ** 50 000 ) test finish in positive (happy ;D ) , the next (s)
sessions can end in negative, sad but true ( :( ). Same can happen with 500 000 spins sessions.
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 05:04 PM 2017
Many players will say need to test millions of spins .
I say at least 50 000 .......100 000 spins, we have only one life....
Let s say your first ( **longterm ** 50 000 ) test finish in positive (happy ;D ) , the next (s)
sessions can end in negative, sad but true ( :( ). Same can happen with 500 000 spins sessions.
Ok, but should we test against the whole 50k spins ? or per chunk? ...
Ok, but should we test against the whole 50k spins ? or per chunk? ...
It s the same ....whole 50k , or 10+10+10+10+10, or any other division.
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 05:16 PM 2017It s the same ....whole 50k , or 10+10+10+10+10, or any other division.
No it is not the same! The outcome might differ...