I dont remember if i posted that maybe will help for progress All this started with the concept of how to combine old set with new set. You have tried doing concatnation and you have not been able to get to the end. How about trying another way of combining old set with new set if concatnation has not helped. If you carefully read the mails from rrbb, when talking about old set and new set, surprisingly he started from double street, street, split and then straight.... have you thought why he hasnt started with dozens.. have you thought why he hasnt done even chances? He also talked about birthday paradox and said because of the way we construct the old and new sets we will get a repeat slightly different than normal. He also talked about losing apples in apples and pears. These three put together does it give a way to combine old and new sets? See the following double street appearances... line 4 - corresponding element in new set is 4 line 2 - corresponding element in new set is 3 line 1 - corresponding element in new set is 3. Now treat them as a continuous stream of numbers by combining these. line 4, Pos4, line 2, Pos3, line 1, Pos 3. Did you see that Pos 3 repeated there. Now if you had played for repeats of these elements. After first spin gave line 4 and Pos 4, you would be playing line 4 and line 3. That loses, as line 2 appears. Then you play line 4, Pos 4(line 3), line 2, Pos3 (line 1). You win as line 1 appears. Here there is no apple and pears examples. Now consider this scneario. line 1 - corresponding element in new set is 1. Now on playing for repeat, you play line 1 and Pos 1 which is again line 1. Can you see that here instead of playing two lines you are playing only one line as you are able to lose apples? Think about this... You have a solution here..... But as i said, as i earlier said as well, now you are on your own!