Hi All,
As the title says, I'm looking for a progression to use on all ECs at the same time, at the moment all I can think of is something like pluscoup.
At anytime I could be placing a bet on all 3 ECs or sormetimes just 2 or 1 EC, so it varies from spin to spin.
But any progression I use will have to treat all three ECs as one with the same amount on each, on each round of betting, so for example I place 1 unit on all three ECs and get WLW so I am up 1 unit, but if I had WLL I would be down -1 unit.
Anyway if you have any suggestions please shout out, please no crazy progressions trying to recover all lost in one bet, I'm just not intrested.
Thanks in advance
malcop
Hi All,
Back on 7th August I asked if anyone had any good ideas for progressions for a Bet selection I have been working on, that I was using on all ECs, I have to say I'm a little bit disapointed that no one "Stepped up!!!" to offer any suggestions.
So I will try again for the final time.
Here are some stats on the Demo 1 session I have attatched, one is playing PLUSCUP Combined for all ECs and the other is each EC individualy.
Invidual Stats:
188 Spins, Highest unit placed 17, +137 units.
Combined Stats:
188 Spins, Highest unit placed 18, +104 units.
If you look at the sheets you can see that there are a lot of WW's, WWW's in a row, so maybe some sort of positive/negative progression to capitalise on the short winning streaks.
Once I find a suitable progression for this bet selection I will publish this method fully.
Your help would be appreciated in advance.
Thanks
malcop
maybe divisor tool link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11.0;attach=4830 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11.0;attach=4830)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10050.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10050.0)
Malcop
If you haven't already, take a look at the above Excel program Nick wrote. It does just what you are wanting, I think. He bets from one to six numbers, but all at the same progression level.
Bro, I read your first post. I was a blank.......
Sam
Quote from: ozzi43 on Aug 16, 02:42 PM 2012
maybe divisor tool link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11.0;attach=4830 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11.0;attach=4830)
I don't like the way the stakes can escalate out of hand, thanks ozzi43
Sam, no problem I was just a bit supprised, with all the ideas flying around this forum, no one came forwoard with any suggestions.
M
I agree with you. I'm a bit overloaded myself. Maybe the progression guys are, too.
Off to casino!
Sam
Good luck same, stick it to em!
--If you win 1 bet +1 next bet,of you win 2 bets -1 next bet,if you lose all 3 +2 next bet,
if you won all 3 -2 next bet.Just try to ride your numbers,or any valid session that way and you will see.
Try this... it won't always comply with one thing you requested tough, that it would be WLW= +1 unit.
Here what I suggest:
On every EC, +1 unit in every bet, either win or loss.
Reset all progressions when a new BR achieved.
And if none of this fit's your method, try to send a message to GLC. In my opinion hes the best with progressions here.
I dont't know if you noticed but you would be up flatbetting - maybe that?
or you can maybe use +1 / -1?
I would love to just flatbet but I'm sure not all sessions would work out as well as this, but I have been thinking of just using something like Breadwinner progression.
well, it all depends on your system
i just tried betting on red and black at the same time and got to about 20+ total with +1 /-1
but that was just straight up betting without a system
and no high strikes like 20 in a row
but like I said, it depends on your system
Quote from: soggett on Aug 17, 04:50 AM 2012
well, it all depends on your system
i just tried betting on red and black at the same time and got to about 20+ total with +1 /-1
but that was just straight up betting without a system
and no high strikes like 20 in a row
but like I said, it depends on your system
could you explain +1/-1 to me please, are you talking about 1 up on a loss and 1 down on a win?
Playing 3 EC at the same time they should be in competition with each other .According to a certain method each EC should be played on its own performance..
As an example on LOW might be 1 unit, on Black 3 units and on Even 2 units. This might might change with every subsequent Win or loss.
It is not as screwy as it sounds. This is based upon the up and pull/regression MM system.
One of the best performing methods I have ever applied
This is a PROVEN method played by professional gamblers.
Tamino
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: malcop on Aug 17, 05:50 AM 2012
could you explain +1/-1 to me please, are you talking about 1 up on a loss and 1 down on a win?
Like Tamino said, every EC has it's own progress therefor it's own progression
I tested R/B each on their own with +1 / -1 in cycles of 5 spins ( I took that from Flat_ino )
so 5 spins if in minus +1, if in plus -1
very easy, but with long streaks may go down quick
maybe that will help you a bit
soggett
I said This is based upon the up and pull/regression MM system.I did not mention the word progresssion at all.
There is more to this method . One should know when to put one of the EC on the backburner and only 2 or for that matter only one remains in action.
There is also a time when to resume betting a sidelined EC and when to finally eliminate a particular EC during the course of the session.
The casinos hate this method. We are constantly in control.
Tamino
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Tamino on Aug 17, 07:43 AM 2012
Playing 3 EC at the same time they should be in competition with each other .According to a certain method each EC should be played on its own performance..
As an example on LOW might be 1 unit, on Black 3 units and on Even 2 units. This might might change with every subsequent Win or loss.
It is not as screwy as it sounds. This is based upon the up and pull/regression MM system.
One of the best performing methods I have ever applied
This is a PROVEN method played by professional gamblers.
Tamino
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I fully agree, it is best to play each EC with it's own progression.
Quote from: Tamino on Aug 17, 08:53 AM 2012
soggett
I said This is based upon the up and pull/regression MM system.I did not mention the word progresssion at all.
There is more to this method . One should know when to put one of the EC on the backburner and only 2 or for that matter only one remains in action.
There is also a time when to resume betting a sidelined EC and when to finally eliminate a particular EC during the course of the session.
The casinos hate this method. We are constantly in control.
Tamino
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
English is not my first language so maybe I sounded wrong
I agreed with you and think that each EC should be treated separately
so if you use a progression use one for each EC
I agree with everything else you said too ;)
That`s correct . But if one of the EC reaches betting 5 units ( this could amount to 25Dollars) with a win then regress to 1 unit and start again with the up and pull method until the first loss of thar particulae EC At that time you should have realized a good return with that EC.
At your discretion keep playing the other 2 EC until it is time to fold either with a win or a stop-loss.
Malcop,
Sorry I haven't responded to your request, but I didn't have anything that's really innovative to suggest. E.C. progressions are posted all over the Money Management section.
In my topic on ROL vs BEH I bet on all 3 e.c.'s at once and I find the boffins bet is very good. Maybe no better than just a straight D'Alembert or a capped martingale. The boffins bet does require undivided attention because you have to keep track of whether your bet is the 1st half or 2nd half of a parlay.
But just for you and to try to make up for leaving you hanging in the breeze, I'm going to "step up" with a little progression you might like.
Before I go further, I want to put in my two cents worth for a separate bet line for each e.c.
This is based on the penthouse bet method. A normal line for e.c.'s is 1122334455 etc... We move 1 step to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win. That's just another way to track D'Alembert.
I suggest that we add a tad bit more aggressiveness. We still move 1 step to the right on a loss, but on a win we only move 1 step to the left if we are on the 2nd number of that pair. We don't move to a smaller bet size unless we win 2 times in a row. Then we move 1 step to the left after the second win even if we drop to a smaller level.
Example:
LWLLLWLLLWWLLWWW I will play out this W/L sequence.
-1 -1 Move 1 step to the right
+1 0 Move 1 step to the left
-1 -1 Move 1 step to the right
-1 -2 Move 1 step to the right
-2 -4 Move 1 step to the right
+2 -2 Since this is the 2nd 2 we can move 1 step to the left
-2 -4 Move 1 step to the right
-2 -6 Move 1 step to the right
-3 -9 Move 1 step to the right
+3 -6 Since this is the 2nd 3 we can move 1 step to the left
+3 -3 Since this is the 2nd win in a row we can move 1 step to the left and drop down to the 2 level.
+2 -1 We won and it's the 2nd 2 so we can move 1 step to the left.
-2 -3 We move 1 step to the right.
-2 -5 We move 1 step to the right.
+3 -2 Since this is the 1st 3, we don't move to the left because it would drop us to the 2 unit level and this isn't our 2nd win in a row.
+3 +1 This is our 2nd win in a row so we can move 1 step to the left.
+2 +3 This is the 2nd 2 so we can move 1 step to the left.
Note that we can only cross a level barrier on even number wins. That means if we are betting our 1st 3 and win, we don't move to the left because it crosses a level barrier and drops us down to 2. We must be on an even number of wins to drop to a lower level.
This adds just a little more aggressiveness without adding too much more volatility.
Also, we can stretch our line to 111222333444etc... for less aggressiveness. When we do this, we have to win 3 times in a row before we can drop to a lower bet level.
This new concept works especially well on single dozens. I will start a new topic under Money Management presenting this concept.
Best of Luck, MC
GLC
To summarize my previous posts . The method I explained does NOT recommend any NEGATIVE progressions. Those , ,like the martingale are for amateurs.
REGRESSION is the keyword and a path to winnings..
Real pros know when to leave a table. Amateurs attempt to win money back. Negative progressions are a bottomless pit.
Tamino.
Quote from: Tamino on Aug 17, 02:46 PM 2012
To summarize my previous posts . The method I explained does NOT recommend any NEGATIVE progressions. Those , ,like the martingale are for amateurs.
REGRESSION is the keyword and a path to winnings..
Real pros know when to leave a table. Amateurs attempt to win money back. Negative progressions are a bottomless pit.
Tamino.
Could you please give me a working example of your REGRESSION idea?
GLC,
Thanks I will look into your progression idea.
Thanks
malcop
***Could you please give me a working example of your REGRESSION idea?******
The up and pull regression system is not an idea but a long established method deployed by knowlegeable pro an semi pro roulette players .
It is not at my discretion toi reveal any further details of this method. I have given enough hints already .
Tamino.
OK Thanks, found info on MR JP.
Quote from: malcop on Aug 17, 04:35 PM 2012
OK Thanks, found info on MR JP.
You found the source :) Congrats.
I am a frequent poster at his message board.
Tamino
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: malcop on Aug 17, 04:35 PM 2012
OK Thanks, found info on MR JP.
I'm sorry for the ignorance, what is MR JP ?
Regarding the Pull/Regression concept it might be worth checking out the WINN-MAXX website and investigate the CONQUEST system.
Has anyone purchased this from them as it costs a whopping 165 Euros !!
They claim from all the thousands of spins the largest drawdown = 17 units.
Good LUCK to all today with Roulette AND the Footy !!
Dino.
Since a source for the Up & Pull/Regression method has been mentioned I find myself justified to mention where to obtain a copy of a book with this particular method.
In the USA it is available at JOHNPATRICK.com
The title of this book: " So You Wanna Be a Gambler" Advanced Roulette by John Patrick. 402 pages , US $ 19.95
TAMINO
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Regression systems have been around since before JP was even born. There's nothing copywriteable about them.
Here's some for even chances.
2-1-2-3-3-4-5
3-1-2-3-4-5
5-3-4-5-6-7
etc...
In my collection of antique roulette systems there's one that has a positive progression for dozens.
2-2-1-2-2-3-3-4-5 & 3-2-1-2-2-3-3-4-5
You can make them however you want. They are positive progressions and can be adapted to any bet location on the board. Granted, bets with chances of hitting above the single dozen bet are difficult to hang with, but are still available.
All you do is bet a larger unit on the 1st bet, regress to a smaller unit bet on the 2nd bet. This locks in a guaranteed win. As you continue to with a string of wins you win more and more units. What you do is devise the progression so you pull back a portion of each win, that way when you do finally lose, you still have a profit.
It's advisable that you set a pre-determined number of wins before you end the progression. For example if you play this 2-1-2-2-3-3-4-4 and you lose on the 1st 3 unit bet you win only 4 units 2+1+2+2=+7-3=+4. Had you set a 4 win cap you would have won +7 units. trying for the 5th win cost you 3 units.
The trade-off is that you may be stopping in the beginning of an 8, 9 or more winning streak.
2-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5. That represents a +21 unit win. Since you lost the 2nd 5 bet the 5's cancel each other out and the rest of the wins add up to 21. Not bad for a 2 unit investment.
These are excellent ways to bet but they are anything but a guarantee to win in the long run because of all the 1st bet losses which are by design larger bets.
GLC,
Yes I agree I remember a 2-1-2-3-4-5-6...... progression that came with a Blackjack system I purchased nearly 10 years ago.
Great when it works out but no gauranteed winner.
Thanks
Malcop