Ill post the idea next post so the description is on its own without all this waffle.
I based it on the sad idea (first system I ever read) that you wait for a Doz to sleep for 5 then bet on it.
I will use that trigger, but wait till the same trigger happens again, then what ever number hit to make that 2nd trigger, I place 4U on that numbers line.
Line is standard 1=1,2,3,4,5,6 2=7,8,9,10,11,12
it wins over and over . Ive not tested it lots, mabe 1500 spins...but its very productive.
It has lost once or twice, and Im sure someone can come up with an idea to cope with that
3,3,27,18,36,27 and low Doz (no.3) is 5 back. We wait for low to repeat.
17, 33,22,23,14,6,,,and Low repeats so we bet 4U on the line which has no.6 in it. (Line 1)
Example with real spins from Bremen.
xxL or xxM or xxH= 1st trigger( 5 back is Low,Mid,High) ** is trigger (repeat, so bet on the line) WIN is where the line hits
14
21
32
23
14
27
30
35
28
1 xxM
27
15**
32
11
28
35
35
14WIN
28xxL
13
13
15
18
4 **
24
32
2 WIN
25
19
35
6
6
34
1 xxM
32
16 **
36
18 WIN
5
11
9
8xxH
16
2
24
24
20
12
15
1
28**
0
13
9
29
25
22WIN
22
14xxL
16
26
10**
27
31
23
23
9WIN
13
25
24
35
31xxL
13
36
3 **
33
4WIN
23
5
bet 4 U for 6 spins then remove and retrack.
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Nice results so far
why 4U for 6 spins?
can we use a progression here? whats the longest you saw without a hit so far?
I was curious why it would work. Results in about 200 spins are 6W and 6L tested on a live wheel. But the original idea i guess worked better. :D
Quote from: soggett on Aug 14, 03:51 AM 2012
Nice results so far
why 4U for 6 spins?
can we use a progression here? what's the longest you saw without a hit so far?
Sogget
We can do what we want its for testing. Im full of ideas for bet selection but im crap at stakes and progression.
4 U for 6 was so it stopped at a reasonable loss that could be recovered with 1 or 2 wins. Important at this test phase is the bet sesection and triggers. The graphs are for 4u for 6 then retrack
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 14, 04:44 AM 2012
I was curious why it would work.
Why, because I had written it? ^-^
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 14, 06:10 AM 2012
Why, because I had written it? ^-^
No i just did not see any logic in this bet selection. That's all and in my math you would need at least 2 or 3 wins to recover your 1 loss.
Interesting system,which i will back-test using b+m spins only.
How about 1u on each line number on the 6th spin + 4u on the complete line = 10u.
I wonder how many GAMES go to the 6th bet.( win or lose ).
Just a thought !!
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Aug 14, 07:39 AM 2012
Interesting system,which i will back-test using b+m spins only.
How about 1u on each line number on the 6th spin + 4u on the complete line = 10u.
I wonder how many GAMES go to the 6th bet.( win or lose ).
Just a thought !!
Dino.
Yeah...I think I have the bet bit all wrong, having said that, the graphs are 4U for 6 spins.
its the trigger and placement I was interested in. Loosly based on this premis.
"wait until a doz is 5 spins behind and bet on it" doesn't work. I noticed that it can go 18 spins but doesn't do it again for a while. I've never witnessed this >> LHHMHHMMHHHMMMHMHMLMHMMHMMHHHMHMHHML
SO when its got its long sleep out of its system, its worth a bet. The Line is half of that Doz.
Yeah...its Bollox! But is seems to work fairly well.
Did well with a progression on the line 1-2-3-4-5 stop. had 12 wins and 1 loss in 130 spins. Finished on £109U from a 40U start.
This Idea does really well. It also predicts Dozens to appear. Instead of betting the line, we bet the dozen. As it was free...I bet 5-10-15-20 stop on the doz. I got £40 up to £300 in 150 spins. I can post the graph tonight.
However, it hits a wall and just stops working....just like every other system.
That wall could be when you arrive at the table. Sounds familiar?
I wont waste any more time on it. Shame.....
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 13, 06:56 PM 2012
3,3,27,18,36,27 and low Doz (no.3) is 5 back. We wait for low to repeat.
17, 33,22,23,14,6,,,and Low repeats so we bet 4U on the line which has no.6 in it. (Line 1)
Example with real spins from Bremen.
xxL or xxM or xxH= 1st trigger( 5 back is Low,Mid,High) ** is trigger (repeat, so bet on the line) WIN is where the line hits
14
21
32
23
14
27
30
35
28
1 xxM
27
15**
32
11
28
35
35
14WIN
28xxL
13
13
15
18
4 **
24
32
2 WIN
25
19
35
6
6
34
1 xxM
32
16 **
36
18 WIN
5
11
9
8xxH
16
2
24
24
20
12
15
1
28**
0
13
9
29
25
22WIN
22
14xxL
16
26
10**
27
31
23
23
9WIN
13
25
24
35
31xxL
13
36
3 **
33
4WIN
23
5
Nice Turnerfeck reminds me a bit of the Zone. And to give you an idea of what I'm using against Bayes Rng. How many times have you seen a single dozen produce 5 fives in a row ?
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 14, 08:09 AM 2012
Yeah...I think I have the bet bit all wrong, having said that, the graphs are 4U for 6 spins.
its the trigger and placement I was interested in. Loosly based on this premis.
"wait until a doz is 5 spins behind and bet on it" doesn't work. I noticed that it can go 18 spins but doesn't do it again for a while. I've never witnessed this >> LHHMHHMMHHHMMMHMHMLMHMMHMMHHHMHMHHML
SO when its got its long sleep out of its system, its worth a bet. The Line is half of that Doz.
Yeah...its Bollox! But is seems to work fairly well.
Sleepers have always interested me Turnerfeck. I believe one of the surest ways to profit from this game, is to learn to predict them with a decent degree of accuracy. For example if you write down all the 2/1 chances. And record all gaps of 5 or more. It won't be long before a dozen or column goes to 9 or more. I've seen countless 12 plus streaks. And in my years playing this game many 20 plus streaks. The longest sleeper I've ever seen was column B. It slept for 34 straight spins. Now imagine you are on that from the sixth spin. This game can't be beaten? THINK AGAIN. Flow with the tide.
then you also need to have a decent progression if you start at 6 and get a hit on the 34th
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 15, 10:31 AM 2012
Nice Turnerfeck reminds me a bit of the Zone. And to give you an idea of what I'm using against Bayes Rng. How many times have you seen a single dozen produce 5 fives in a row ?
Lots..and thats why its a classic system (wait 5 and bet on that doz)
Problem is, its almost like that system is a trap. A trap for the unwarey newbie.
It performs beautifully and it reeled me in when I first tried it.
i made a bit of cash online...then the horrors of a few 18 and 21 spins sleep for the Doz brought the reality home.
Its so horrible, you are tempted to wait 5 and bet on the other 2.
Quote from: Stepkevh on Aug 15, 11:53 AM 2012
then you also need to have a decent progression if you start at 6 and get a hit on the 34th
Yeah....thats to work out...I am more interested in the way this idea.....(back 5, bet on the line when the back doz repeats) predicts hits. It predicts dozens in a scarey way...then random bites you and it falls over.
This should be in notepad really........
Quote from: Stepkevh on Aug 15, 11:53 AM 2012
then you also need to have a decent progression if you start at 6 and get a hit on the 34th
No Stepkevh you wouldnt be betting for the dozen. You would be riding the SLEEPER. Until it shows. You would start betting against it from spin 6. The reason this would work is my experience with the zone tells me there has to be a certain number of losing streaks, sleepers. In every 100 spins. Now as Turnerfeck pointed out a 15 plus streak is quite common. And 6 streaks tend to be less common than fives. Thats why it would make sense to begin your campaign at 6. You will win one or two times mostly. And once you hit that super sleeper 15 plus you are going to make your profit for the session. I am testing this out on Bayes RNG presently to complement my main method I am using. And I can see some serious potential.
I was playing with this idea with Dozens. Same trigger etc but dont bet on the line, bet on the doz.
I bet 5-10-15-20..Stop. I know its stupid, but it wasnt real. I wish it had of been.
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She shares this file dgt?
Thanks :)
Quote from: Face on Aug 19, 04:07 AM 2012
She shares this file dgt?
Thanks :)
Face, Im not sure what that means...sorry
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 15, 10:31 AM 2012
Nice Turnerfeck reminds me a bit of the Zone. And to give you an idea of what I'm using against Bayes Rng. How many times have you seen a single dozen produce 5 fives in a row ?
Hello John
So this is your idea in your challenge? Wait for a dozen to sleep 4 spins and bet for it to sleep 1 more spin? So you bet against dozen to awaken 5 times in a row on the 5th spin?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 21, 01:22 AM 2012
Hello John
So this is your idea in your challenge? Wait for a dozen to sleep 4 spins and bet for it to sleep 1 more spin? So you bet against dozen to awaken 5 times in a row on the 5th spin?
I just remembered.
I spoke about this concept "5" in June in VLS with "crackers"
link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20123.msg147078#msg147078 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20123.msg147078#msg147078)
Hi Turnerfeck . .
I agree with John Legend chasing the SLEEPER is a good way to go. When you catch the long one, you will generally be in profit.
I wrote a system a while back called Streak Hunter and it waits until a Dozen or Column sleeps for 7 times and then it starts to bet on the streak to continue.
Attached are the Manual and RNG versions so you can continue your testing of this and you will be surprised how often they do sleep for 7 spins or more.
Enjoy
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 23, 12:43 PM 2012
Hi Turnerfeck . .
I agree with John Legend chasing the SLEEPER is a good way to go. When you catch the long one, you will generally be in profit.
I wrote a system a while back called Streak Hunter and it waits until a Dozen or Column sleeps for 7 times and then it starts to bet on the streak to continue.
Attached are the Manual and RNG versions so you can continue your testing of this and you will be surprised how often they do sleep for 7 spins or more.
Enjoy
Nick
Thanks Nick...thats generous
MODIFICATION same idea
Bet usung same trigger, when a doz sleeps 4, bet on the other 2 doz.
This time betting a line in one doz and a line in the other doz. The line to choose are the most recent lines.
2,7,17,20....and D3 has slept 4. we bet on line with 20 in it and line with 7 in it
so.....line 2 line 4.
we bet 1U on each line. if a loss, but the loss isnt because the sleeping doz awoke (in this case line 5 and 6) we increase 1 U.
So we are betting 2 and 4, but if 1 or 3, we up 1U. keep adding 1 u until the sleeping doz hits.
Retrack, and start at the Unit we stopped at.
On a win.....stay on the same selection but reduce back to 1U.
EX...2, 27,27,11....bet 1U on line 2 (11) and line 5 (27).
33, (add 1U to line 2 and 5), 23 (retrack, remove bets), 23, 31...bet 3U on line 6(31) and line 4(23)
25 win.
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