We know that one number can sleep for at least 641 spins while another number can repeat 8 times in 100-200 spins.
The 6 Shot Repeater demonstrates the power of repeaters and progressions.
The method is simple. We want to find the number or numbers that repeat the most in the first 200 spins.
The Bet Selection is to bet all numbers that repeat 3 or more times. Bet them for 6 spins only.
The progressions are for a $.01 single zero wheel with a maximum table limit of $100.00. Each win will produce a profit. STOP on any profit and re-start.
I have attached 2 testing modules. One for Manual entries of numbers and the other for testing RNG.
In the testing RNG mode we have not lost a session in over 150,000 spins. Our maximum bet so far is $51.79, however, the maximum hit to the bankroll was $1,553.60.
I am sure we will eventually find the RFH (run from hell) to bust this, but in the meantime, enjoy the power of the 6 Shot Repeater.
Nick
Nick
Thanks a ton for that work! I "F9ed" that puppy about a hundred times and never lost.
This bears lots of study.
Thanks again.
Sam
One question: Are you sure you mean $.01 and not $.10 or $1.00? Who has a penny table?
Sam . . . Yes for .01 casinos, like Bet Voyager or Sky Vegas or Arumage etc.
This tool was just to show the value and power of repeaters with a .01 casino. Any other amounts would exceed the table limits.
I know there are no USA based casinos but we may have one in Nevada by end of this year? Doubt if they will have a .01 wheel.
Nick
Yes, Nick, we are almost certain to have on by the end of the year. Bally's is working on the software as we speak.
I plugged in a bunch of numbers from FLAT's study--the one's where everyone gave him 300 numbers--and your idea did wonderfully.
Frankly, Nick, people have got me wondering if we can trust Bet Voyager.
Sam
Holy Mackrel, Kingfish!!
I just made around 400u. So tired I can't think.
Nick, never got to three in the progression.
Attached......
Sam
Sam . . .
Now you are experiencing the power of this repeater. . . . Samuel Colt, if alive, would be shaking in his boots.
Thanks for testing and let me know if this repeater ever misfires.
Nick
Thank you Nickmsi for posting 6 Shot Repeater.
It was time.......
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 16, 01:56 PM 2012
Holy Mackrel, Kingfish!!
I just made around 400u. So tired I can't think.
Nick, never got to three in the progression.
Attached......
Sam
---Sam mate,
Pls.my old heart will bust from laughing.Hope will forget this
till my swim starts.
This system has great potential, but should play a short stop loss sequence, to
reduce losses.
Thanks Mare . . .
I too think a Stop Loss required, especially if you play for more than .01 minimum.
I put in a Profit Target(Column AT, Row 5) and a Stop Loss(Column AT, Row 6) so that you can input whatever amounts you wish to test and the program will alert you when you have reached the Stop Loss.
Keep us posted as to what Stop Loss works best and what betting unit was used.
Cheers . . . Nick
--I preffer methods with any repeaters,and this one seem to be very promising,
but testing manually kills me.Nicks what should I do to do it quick.brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-and finish.
Hello Nickmsi,
I have played around with your idea and it looks very nice and promising.
One thing, or two ;), I have to ask....
If, lets say number 14 has hit 3 times times and we bet on it, and after 6 spins it has not come, we quit betting on it.
8 spins later number 14 comes again, now 4 hits, do we bet on it again ? or do we wait actually wait for number 14 to come in another 3 times ?
With Sam's "six shot try 1 bv" file I noticed number 32 has been used many times ?!?
How would you use the progression ? Add 1 after a six number attempt had no result ?
Ray 8)
Risky but sometimes big winnings, is to add a chip each spin until a hit. I have lost bigger sums, but my winnings are far more. As long you start with 0.01, and have 100000 (0,01 chips) at least bankroll, it can work.
It will soon or later crash, but the chance of a bigger winning is there, and often you won so you do not use your starting bankroll before the deep whole, then its allways possible to give it up.
With 0.01 chips you normally have 1000 fold at the end on the table. I use to reduce the stakes after a swarm of hitting, bet low until the swarm of repeaters come..
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 17, 02:16 AM 2012
--I preffer methods with any repeaters,and this one seem to be very promising,
but testing manually kills me.Nicks what should I do to do it quick.brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-and finish.
I test manually at BV in real or fun mode. You can design your bet and then a mouseclick is all it needs.
Hello Flat . . .
Yes, testing manually is slow. Here's a couple ideas you could do.
1. Copy and Paste any 200 live spins into the "6 Shot Repeater Manual". You could use the spins you got from your "bet" or any spins you have on file. Then all you do is check the "Profit Target" to see how much you would have won, what your bet amount would have been and at what spin it occurred.
2. You could use the "6 Shot Repeater RNG" file. This contains the RAND function which will produce 200 RNG spins each time you press function key F9. This is the fastest and easiest way to test this system. If you want to record the profit of each 200 spins, simply enter the profit into Column BB. When you press the enter key you will get another 200 spin results so no need to use F9. It's really quick.
I know you prefer live spins but for testing purposes, RNG is the way to go.
Hope this helps . . .
Nick
Hello Ray . . .
"If, lets say number 14 has hit 3 times times and we bet on it, and after 6 spins it has not come, we quit betting on it.
8 spins later number 14 comes again, now 4 hits, do we bet on it again ? or do we wait actually wait for number 14 to come in another 3 times ?"
The system is designed to bet on any number that repeats 3 or more times, so we will bet on it the 3rd time it repeats, the 4th time, the 5th time etc. We bet on it every time it repeats after 3.
We are looking for the number that repeats the most in the first 100-200 spins so we bet on all the numbers that repeat 3 or more times.
The progression is based upon the amount of your loss. It is calculated so that on any WIN you will be in profit. The formula is LOSS/30. Loss divided by 30. I used 30 instead of 35 (35 -1 odds) to give a little more profit.
Nick
---Didn't grasp it...could you clarify it step by step.......it's very diff. for
me to battle with unknown.
OK, Flat, lets try this:
- From my first post download the file “6 Shot Repeater RNGâ€.
- Open this file in Excel.
- Press Function key F9.
That's it.
Everytime you press F9 you will instantly get the results of another 200 RNG spins.
Nothing to enter, just observe and/or record the results.
Did this help?
Nick
I test manually at BV in real or fun mode. You can design your bet and then a mouseclick is all it needs.
Ralph,
How do you do this?
Sam
Dialog 2
-Well then you are going to teach me how to win?
-I'm going to help you to learn by yourself.
-what's the key?
Combat the dispersion, he say
And how we eat that , I ask
The dispersion is what eat you
Your are talking about the sleepers?
No , actually not but a sleepper is a manifestation of a dispersion.
I'm talking about events that happend more or less times that the teorical balance say.
Most of the people belive , with wrong logic that the progressions reach to compensate, and with less hits they can compensate the losings betting stronger when they lose. They are misssing something , if losings continue they lose each time more and then when they start winning again they win to little.
Pasport to the failure
Arcano 4 by Manrique.
Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 17, 10:10 AM 2012
OK, Flat, lets try this:
- From my first post download the file “6 Shot Repeater RNGâ€.
- Open this file in Excel.
- Press Function key F9.
That's it.
Everytime you press F9 you will instantly get the results of another 200 RNG spins.
Nothing to enter, just observe and/or record the results.
Did this help?
Nick
---Thanks Nick.......Looks like Sam and me the only 2 old school/pen & paper/on this forum,but
never mind we know how to get those chips...true Sam.
Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 16, 06:57 PM 2012
Thanks Mare . . .
I too think a stop-loss required, especially if you play for more than .01 minimum.
I put in a Profit Target(Column AT, Row 5) and a stop-loss(Column AT, Row 6) so that you can input whatever amounts you wish to test and the program will alert you when you have reached the stop-loss.
Keep us posted as to what stop-loss works best and what betting unit was used.
Cheers . . . Nick
You're welcome Nick
Yes of course, but in your program, the system continues to up progression
regardless of stop-loss alert, so we can not do realistic test.
The main weapon of this system is that it can make a huge profit in a short time,
but it can very quickly fall if we do not make a smart game schedule.
The point is to keep the system alive until it encounters a good series.
The system already after 60-70 spins starts to play five, six numbers.
It is too much and quickly consumes stake.
We should think about the direction the game with three or four numbers.
If there are more, remove the ones that have already been made, for example two, three wins and wait for a new number.
We can also think about some options flat betting.
This is just my suggestion, expect your comment.
FLATman
I got me a few chips at the back-a-rat table today.
Movie to come soon!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 17, 11:25 AM 2012
I test manually at BV in real or fun mode. You can design your bet and then a mouseclick is all it needs.
Ralph,
How do you do this?
Sam
At the right in the window, you may have seen a small thing show up, and disappeared. There you can save a bet. put your bet on the table, name it and save, then you can click for that bet.
I do it on repeaters may be 7 numbers, one click a chips added to the bet.
If you want to reduce, do not click rebett, rather the saved bet ones or so many times you need.
Ralph
You may have just made my life easier.
Thanks so much!
Sam
Good idea and all but when do we clear our numbers that have more than 3 hits on them? When do we restart the session and restart tracking?
If you keep playing continuosly you will end up betting on all numbers that hit. So is that why you used 200 spins and not 2000?
Thanks for the software Nickcmsi. Now we know that betting on repeaters with any progression is a sure loser. Just hit F9 few times. Unless somebody claims that he can beat a live wheel but he will lose on RNG. ;D
Hi Nick,
one thing I saw and found no answer :
if the number 8 came for 6 spins and now it came again, we bet for 6 spins number 8.
the number 8 hits after 3 spins !! Shouldn't we stop at that point ?!?
On your tracker (Which is excellent,by the way !!!) , after that it continues to the 6th spin.....
the Tracker says "Bet the numbers for 6 spins or until they win
Stop on Any Profit and start a new session"
Ray 8)
Ray
I think I saw that, too, but I figured the win was the trigger to begin betting anew. I am going to play more later and I will look for that.
Sam
Ralph
I screen shot a couple of things if you want me to post them.
I'm not sure what the program does, but it seems to finish a run of six even though a hit is there already. Then it stops. Sometimes it puts in a number in two slots: 5xxx5.
Anyhoo...........
This thing makes money. It is slow and I almost go to sleep and forget where to bet and who to take down--but this is a good piece of software.
I used dimes this morning--no more pennies.
Sam
Hello . . .
Sam, Ray, Juice . . Yes, when you see the Profit Target hit, you start another session. This was not meant to play continuously. This was only meant to show how powerful repeaters can be.
I have attached an updated version to stop betting when the Profit Target or the Stop Loss is hit. This should solve this issue and make it easier to test.
Robeenhuut . . Yes, progressions will kill your bankroll eventually. This was not meant to be play continuously. Please check out the updated version.
I just found it interesting that a repeating system like this one, played on a single zero wheel with a minimum bet of .01 and a maximum bet of 100.00 has not lost yet.
The maximum bet so far is 51.79, however, the draw down to the bankroll was 1,553.60.
I am sure that there is a RFH (Run From Hell) that will doom this, however, the point of this tool is to show how powerful repeaters can be and to show a different way of using repeaters in the hope that it may spark new ways of using them.
Enjoy . . . Nick
Forgot to attach the RNG version.
Nick
Nick
I find this a powerful tool at Bet Voyager where numbers seem to repeat quite often. I think there are ways to lessen the impact of the RFH. I call it "Plateau Betting". I've posted on it years ago. I use it; it works for me.
Thank you!
Sam
Sam . . .
Always interested in new betting methods.
I searched both this forum and the VLS one and could not find Plateau Betting.
Can you find a link or explain it and I will see if it can be incorporated.
As always, thanks for your help.
Nick
Sam . . .
I know this is slow and boring, but with the right money management, this is ideal for a bot.
Nick
Nick
You are so right!
Sam
Nick,
I think there is something wrong with the new tracker !! I tested the Manual version 4.0 and at the second , third, forth...bet row it keeps betting on them till the end. Just the first row it stops at a win...
Ray 8)
Thanks Ray . . I will check that out.
Nick
Ray's right . . . hold off on vs 4.0 till I see what's going on.
Nick
....... on the RNG version also. Set the Target amount to 300 an see !!!
Ray
Hello . . .
Thanks Ray for catching the error. Enclosed version 5.0 should correct it on both manual and RNG versions.
While correcting this, I also changed the progression. Sam, mentioned he uses another progression so I thought I would try another one as well.
Formally, it was that if you won, you would be in profit, most of the time. This caused hefty bet amounts to achieve.
Now, it may take more than one win to be in profit, however, the amount bet is much lower and so is the draw down on the bankroll.
I did a quick 1,000 session (press F9 1,000 times) and the results are:
1,000 Sessions Won
Maximum Bet= 10.04 (using .01 as base)
Maximum Drawdown= 240.39
75% of the time the bet amount was only 1 unit.
If any of you want test this for 1,000 sessions or more, simply use the RNG version and every time you press F9 look at the Maximum Bet (Column AT row 9) and the Maximum Drawdown (Column AT row 11) and if any of them exceed the Worst Case Scenario, enter them and let me know.
The down side to this new progression is it takes longer to achieve, hence, is more boring.
Therefore, if continued testing proves successful, I will ask Victor to do a bot and for a small donation to Victor you can have one also.
Enjoy . . . Nick
PS I have to attach the files in separate Posts as it says they are too large.
Here's the RNG version . . Nick
Thanks, Nick!
I would certainly contribute toward having Victor code a bot.
Secondly, I am looking through my writings to see if I can find the post on "Plateau Betting". If I can't I'll re-think and re-type it.
Might take a day or so.
Sam
@Nickmsi,
Very nice spreadsheet. Thanks for your efforts.
One issue is that often there are multiple hits required to get to positive. Reading the thread I had thought it was designed to use a progression that brings us to positive on a hit .... maybe I'm reading something wrong.
Regards, WG
Yes Wally . . .
The original version in Post #1 was designed to do exactly that, get you into a profit with one win(hit).
The idea of this post was just to show the power of repeaters on .01 wheels. Then it morphed into an actual system when Sam mentioned using his "Plateau Progressions" and I thought, why not try another progression.
So the latest version 5.0 has a progression that reduces our exposure, so far maximum bet is only 13.08 now (still testing, now over 1500 sessions).
Then, we thought of using a bot as this is boring as hell.
That's where we are at now.
Will keep you posted on testing results.
Nick
OK, thanks much.
Just completed fully testing 1000 sessions. Each session is played until in Profit.
This was with version 5.0 RNG which has the less aggressive progression and again, only on a .01 single zero wheel.
See graph below.
Total Profit: 24642
Largest Bet Made: 1308
Biggest Drawdown: 78451
Will keep you posted.
Nick
Hi Nick,
I changed the Manual Version 5.0-1 with the following options :
1 - added "Enter Prog Level"
so you can change the progression level and see immediately what happens
2 - added "Enter Chip value"
for those (like me) , who like to see the amount in value
3 - added "Maximum Progression"
so you can see how high the progression went on that session
especially for me, to see if I would have hit the table max
4 - added the columns "Units" and "Value"
hope it is OK that I did that and you also find it usefull and can make your tracker better....
Ray 8)
Hi Nick,
me again, sorry....
if you look at attached file and look at line 314 (Spin 310) bet on number 17 :
you have bet on 2 , 17, 14, 17 again !!, 22, and 19
my win should be 32 instead of 60
same in line 318 (Spin314) bet on number 15 :
you have bet on15, 17, 15 again !! , 16 , 19 and !! 15 again ?!?
my win should be 32 instead of 66
line above also miss calculated and line 103 spin 99 on number 24
worst line 321 spin 317 number 15
win 102 units ??
have a check on that.
With that solution at the moment m calculations and results are not as they seem to be.
Got to go to bed now, my eyes are red ;) and our flight home after vacation :( is in 10 hours.
Ray 8)
Ray
For a tired man, you're pretty sharp. I noticed my balance at BV and my sheet did not jibe. I thought I was making mistakes and that accounted for it.
Still, the first version he posted works well for me.
Sam
Thanks Ray for the changes. I love it when others can make tweaks, changes or improvements.
Too often I have my nose to the grindstone I get fixated on the details.
“if you look at attached file and look at line 314 (Spin 310) bet on number 17 :
you have bet on 2 , 17, 14, 17 again !!, 22, and 19
my win should be 32 instead of 60â€
(This is correctly calculated as the Bet Amount is 2 as shown in spin 309. The number 17 shown in spin310 is matched to the number 17 shown in the above line spin 309)
“same in line 318 (Spin314) bet on number 15 :
you have bet on15, 17, 15 again !! , 16 , 19 and !! 15 again ?!?
my win should be 32 instead of 66â€
(Yes, you are correct, it did calculate the 15 as 2 wins)
“line above also miss calculated and line 103 spin 99 on number 24â€
(This is correctly calculated as the Bet Amount was 2 as shown in the line above, spin 102.
“worst line 321 spin 317 number 15
win 102 units ?? “
(Yes, you are correct, it did calculate the 15 3 times.)
I see the problem occurs with the new less aggressive progression when the spin count gets high, the numbers can duplicate so I will have to check for duplicates to correct this problem.
As Sam pointed out, the first version should be true as it seldom went to a high spin count.
Thank you so much for testing and checking. It is the only way we can validate any method.
I hope you had an enjoyable vacation.
Nick
As Sam pointed out, the first version should be true as it seldom went to a high spin count.
Well, crud, I was making mistakes after all!!
Sam
I corrected the duplicate “bug†in the previous version and have attached both the Manual and RNG version 7.0. If you find any more bugs, just let me know.
I also tested 1000 sessions for this updated version 7.0. All sessions ended in Profit.
Again, only on a .01 single zero wheel.
See graph below.
Total Profit: 172.13
Largest Bet Made: 4.13
Biggest Drawdown: 247.79
I will continue to test 1000 sessions at a time until we find the RFH.
This is too boring to do manually, so if successful, a bot is only way to go.
Thanks
Nick
PS Files to big so will send them separately rather than zip them.
And here's the RNG 7.0 version
Nick
Tested RNG, testing further and will reply if i get a higher stat
Maximum Bet 31 310
Maximum Profit 57 570
Maximum Drawdown -3001 -30010
Maximum Progression 31
Maximum Bet 34 340
Maximum Profit 0 0
Maximum Drawdown -3340 -33400
Maximum Progression 34
Maximum Bet 60 600
Maximum Profit 23 230
Maximum Drawdown -5930 -59300
Maximum Progression 60
Maximum Bet 85 850
Maximum Profit 112 1120
Maximum Drawdown -8437 -84370
Maximum Progression 85
Maximum Bet 179 1790
Maximum Profit 32 320
Maximum Drawdown -17844 -178440
Maximum Progression 179
This is the highest that came around for me :-)
Maximum Bet 227 2270
Maximum Profit 0 0
Maximum Drawdown -22609 -226090
Maximum Progression 227
Nope, got a higher one :-)
Maximum Bet 244 2440
Maximum Profit 5 50
Maximum Drawdown -24398 -243980
Maximum Progression 244
Dont know if it could get higher
Maximum Bet 308 3080
Maximum Profit 78 780
Maximum Drawdown -30719 -307190
Maximum Progression 308
nope,
did a lot more F9's and didnt get above the previous reply
Hello Stephan . . .
Thanks for assisting in the testing.
Your figures look good.
The highest bet you show is only 3.08 which is less than the highest I got of 4.13.
Your drawdown of 307.19 was a little higher than what I got of 247.79.
I am encouraged and will continue to test.
Thanks again.
Nick
BUSTED ! ! !
The RFH(Run From Hell) finally showed it's ugly face to remind me, once again, that progressions don't change the outcome.
Any, hoo . . the point of this tool was to show the power of repeaters, not just straight numbers repeating, but any number set, ie. Streets, Lines, Dozens, etc. And not just number sets, but series and sequences as well (RBRBRBRB, OOEEEOOOEE, etc.)
Onward and upwards . . .
Cheers
Nick
Busted???????? not at all.....it didn't bust.
You guys will never learn........in all those trillions of spins was winning and at the end it busted.
Now divide these trillions spins by 300 spins session.You see what I mean.
Hi,
just got back from vacation !! Don't wanna even look , nor open the letters that piled up....
Nick, had a great time since 20 min from where we were there was a Casino.
And thanks to Flat with the 9-Last/furtest method I won quite allot. And of course testing others as well. Not to forget my favorites. At some stage i was playing 3 methods at the same times !!! Which actually brought me to laugh at that moment. But it turned out as I planed it to do. And thinking of , I was there 4 times, we won 3 times and lost one. Since I had a strict stoploss , the flights and the rental car was for free then ;-))
@ Sam
As we know women can be so powerfull ;-) I do my testing and being here in the forums after she is sound asleep !!! Thats where I get my red eyes from.... But I'm a strong believer in Roulette.
And on the vacation I used the time when we were at the beach or pool. I had so much time to read the forum and even post here . Hope to do that often....
@ Flat
....you are so dammn right !!! When I look at my excel sheet and see 30 days of winning and one day RFH (when it hits my stopploss) I still am in bloody profit !!!
If you play 2 or three times a month and you are so unlucky and just hit these 3 days of hell...that's it but you need to see it in the long run.
Regards
Ray
Ray . . .
So glad you had a good time and turned a profit as well . . . can't ask for much more, got your family, your health, a hobby that pays . . . I got 2 out 3 and am working on the roulette.
I should take Ivica's advice and just go out and play. My wife would like to take a Casino Tour of the USA and see the sites via visiting the over 900 casino's we have. It's on my "bucket list".
Glad to have you back
Nick
Thanks Nick,
feels like coming home ;D
I noticed that on allot of runs the first actual repeater starts hitting around spin 30 - 50.
IS there a way, for you, to set a marker where to actually start betting ?!?
Thinking of adding a new line "Enter starting point to Bet "
so its also possible to see what happens if you start at specific point. Just like you would enter the Casino at the Evening. Even if it would cost me some time to check the numbers that have come since the start.
Here in my Casino, probably in others as well, I go to the desk an ask for a printout of table I want to play at. So I just run through and start.....
At the moment it is , always start when the table opens... (Even so it has excellent proffits)
Ray
Hi Ray . . .
Interesting idea . . . don't know if it will work but worth a shot.
I quickly tested 100 sessions and found:
The average spin that betting started was: 21
The average spin that betting ended in profit: 45
The average # spins to win is: 24
Will play around with some of these numbers and see if it makes any difference.
Cheers . . .
Nick
Nick,
to these numbers it would tell me, that when a new table opens, wait at least 20 spins before betting.
And after 25 spins you should be in profit. Whatever chipsize you use, that could be the one to quit ;-)
And in a running table, start imediately bettinmg.
So that looks nice !!!
Ray