Having thought that "wait for 5 then bet that backward dozen" doesn't work, "so bet the oposite"....back in June.....I tried this out based on that idea i had and all the other stuff I read in here. JLs stuff....2 doz prog 1-3-9-27 etc
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Wait for 1 doz to be 4 back. bet 1U on other 2. If in plus...keep going. When Doz hits, wait for trigger. (there may be one already waiting) and bet 1U on other 2 doz if a new high. If its not a new high, bet 3U. In the graph....bet 3 U was the highest the progression reached ...mabe 10%. All other wins were 1U.
don't think there is a giant trapdoor if you stop at 3U and never go to 9U....or at least never go to 27U. Its a 35U risk at the worse
looks promising
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 07, 12:43 PM 2012
Having thought that "wait for 5 then bet that backward dozen" doesn't work, "so bet the oposite"....back in June.....I tried this out based on that idea i had and all the other stuff I read in here. JLs stuff....2 doz prog 1-3-9-27 etc
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Wait for 1 doz to be 4 back. bet 1U on other 2. If in plus...keep going. When Doz hits, wait for trigger. (there may be one already waiting) and bet 1U on other 2 doz if a new high. If its not a new high, bet 3U. In the graph....bet 3 U was the highest the progression reached ...mabe 10%. All other wins were 1U.
don't think there is a giant trapdoor if you stop at 3U and never go to 9U....or at least never go to 27U. Its a 35U risk at the worse
You are in the right ballpark Turner, but you havent quite scored a home run. Nice thinking though.
hmmmm....I just made 17U and stopped when 3U failed. Im hit and running arnt I.
Im gonna get tarred and feathered by the mob
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No your not !!!
Velly interwesting.
Dino.
*******hmmmm....I just made 17U and stopped when 3U failed. I'm hit and running arnt I.
I'm gonna get tarred and feathered by the mob*********turnerfeck,
No ,you should be commended for your wisdom: Losing 3 in a row it is time to go".
That is what makes you a real winner.
Winnings OVER Jackpots !!!
Tamino
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
TF,
If i look at John's results it should be something like this.
Wait for the trigger of a dozen to be 4 back, then bet 2 opposite doz's.
If win, start new session or retrack for another doz to be 4 back.
If loss, rebet on same 2 doz's with the progr.
This can go upto 3 losses and a win on the 4th.
Stephan
Nice idea :)
What do you do when two dozens are 4 back though, if for example dozen 1 hits 4 times in a row? Like this: (number at the top is the last hit)
11
9
6
6
21
19
32
We would have been betting on 1st and 2nd dozens but 2nd dozen is now 4 back too. Do you just keep betting the last 2 dozens hit or change to just betting on the 1st dozen in the hope you get a nice long run?
Cheers
Roughy
Quote from: Roughy on Sep 09, 01:11 PM 2012
Nice idea :)
What do you do when two dozens are 4 back though, if for example dozen 1 hits 4 times in a row? Like this: (number at the top is the last hit)
11
9
6
6
21
19
32
We would have been betting on 1st and 2nd dozens but 2nd dozen is now 4 back too. Do you just keep betting the last 2 dozens hit or change to just betting on the 1st dozen in the hope you get a nice long run?
Cheers
Roughy
We arent betting for a 5 with FIVE we are betting against it.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 09, 04:12 PM 2012
We aren't betting for a 5 with FIVE we are betting against it.
Roughy,
In your example, there arent enough numbers to make a judgement
11
9
6 <<<
6
21
19
32
And anyhow, when the 2nd 6 came out, it was a trigger because 3rd doz is 4 behind (32), and 9 is nice...its a win.
Turner
Quote from: Stepkevh on Sep 08, 03:33 AM 2012
TF,
If i look at John's results it should be something like this.
Wait for the trigger of a dozen to be 4 back, then bet 2 opposite doz's.
If win, start new session or retrack for another doz to be 4 back.
If loss, rebet on same 2 doz's with the progr.
This can go upto 3 losses and a win on the 4th.
Stephan
Here's 800 spins played using your rules. Went to 81-81 once due to 0, but I would not have played it that way as I play the 0's and if win during a sequence I don't pursue the progression further. This was played on a double 0 wheel.
A possible progression for this is GLC's new post on "2 up zero down even chance". Obviously play the double dozen prog as George outlined in his post.
The 2/3 bet with a martingale is the worst and most difficult play. Find a hit in 5 trials or lose a number of units if not.
I have compared martingale with other progressions, using no tracking and stay static on two dozen. This can work for 1000 of spins. Last time I was using it was this morning, just to see how long it will take to make 50 units. 81 spins, highest progress 32 units. Longest miss streak 7.
Still think 2/3 bets are very difficult. 7 and more miss is not so unusual. A bet selection which works very well is a must, if martingale 3 9 27 81.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 10, 12:53 AM 2012
The 2/3 bet with a martingale is the worst and most difficult play. Find a hit in 5 trials or lose a number of units if not.
I have compared martingale with other progressions, using no tracking and stay static on two dozen. This can work for 1000 of spins. Last time I was using it was this morning, just to see how long it will take to make 50 units. 81 spins, highest progress 32 units. Longest miss streak 7.
Still think 2/3 bets are very difficult. 7 and more miss is not so unusual. A bet selection which works very well is a must, if martingale 3 9 27 81.
With the correct FIVE you will get that strikerate. And 80 ppints is what I recommend to start. FIVE played properly requires some patience. There's a price for certain success. THE ZONE PERFECTED. Is more user friendly. And I am using it against BV. The buy in is just 4 units. The potential unlimited. As will be shown over the next 2 or more years.
From little accorns grow mighty oaks. I want to see if BV will just sit back and allow me to take hundreds of pounds from them. Once they realize I have them beat. This is the interest point for me.
Aswell as proving roulette is beatable longterm and making Superman and myself some nice profit along the way.
When I hit 3000 points you will get FIVE. But I feel its already been bettered.
John
Patience would mean trigger on 4 and if 5 loses (the sleeping doz hits) then look for a new trigger and 3u/3u on 5th not hitting.
The progression only on a trigger
Reading all your hints, progressing the same dozens after a loss makes no sense to the observation that the sleeper usually doest hit on 5.
Closer? :wink:
TF,
you could maybe right, never looked it that way :-)
Turner this link:://xerxx.se/oops/stats/wtrp/wtrpsdc.html (link:://xerxx.se/oops/stats/wtrp/wtrpsdc.html).
Quote from: xxlakis on Sep 10, 07:48 AM 2012
Turner this link:://xerxx.se/oops/stats/wtrp/wtrpsdc.html (link:://xerxx.se/oops/stats/wtrp/wtrpsdc.html).
Lovely lovely numbers....ill look proper when im not on this android
Thanks
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 10, 06:45 AM 2012
John
Patience would mean trigger on 4 and if 5 loses (the sleeping doz hits) then look for a new trigger and 3u/3u on 5th not hitting.
The progression only on a trigger
Reading all your hints, progressing the same dozens after a loss makes no sense to the observation that the sleeper usually doest hit on 5.
Closer? :wink:e
Not really Turner you are barking up the wrong tree. Youll have to wait to get the true picture. I'm concentrating on the Zone perfected at the moment as its more lucrative and user friendly than five. With lower risk. If it can beat a real money rng, it can beat anything.
I made a search of JL, Mr J in old archive, and it is not the first time he claims a bulletproof way, he had before claim 100% sure of visual ballistic.
The archives is still on the net.
I do not argue he is wrong, but I wonder Why he is not using his old proven methods, instead of research, for new which seems to be not better.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 10, 12:41 PM 2012
I made a search of JL, Mr J in old archive, and it is not the first time he claims a bulletproof way, he had before claim 100% sure of visual ballistic.
The archives is still on the net.
I do not argue he is wrong, but I wonder Why he is not using his old proven methods, instead of research, for new which seems to be not better.
My view...
he is very confident in his ability to defeat roulette. This confidence will drive him on. If he is self driven, then he thinks more...tests more and most important, knows how to regroup and try again when he realises that his method wasn't as good as he thought it was.
I wouldnt be surprised if he admitted that he kinda likes it when it fails so he can go back to the drawing board where its most exciting.
I'm sure Muhamed Ali bragged equally the same in the build up to beating Jo Frazier than when he got beat by him. Its just self confidence.
See through all that and its just a productive poster who is generous with his ideas which are many.
Sounded like an obituary....sorry :-[
QuoteI made a search of JL, Mr J in old archive, and it is not the first time he claims a bulletproof way
Which is exactly why myself and others have heckled him for well over a year now, probably close to 2 years, hence the reason he is running the challenges from Bayes and now against BV in real money mode, sort of put MY money where your mouth is LOL, JL knows we are not being malicious in anyway, after all, we are all chasing the same thing, just sometimes posts get heated.
QuoteSounded like an obituary....sorry
LOL yes, aww he was a good bloke LOL
Mr J and leaning towards Visual Ballistics ?When did that miracle happen? Snowman , the VB specialist, would not believe this 180 degree about face.
.
N.D.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 10, 01:30 PM 2012
My view...
he is very confident in his ability to defeat roulette. This confidence will drive him on. If he is self driven, then he thinks more...tests more and most important, knows how to regroup and try again when he realises that his method wasn't as good as he thought it was.
I wouldnt be surprised if he admitted that he kinda likes it when it fails so he can go back to the drawing board where its most exciting.
I'm sure Muhamed Ali bragged equally the same in the build up to beating Jo Frazier than when he got beat by him. Its just self confidence.
See through all that and its just a productive poster who is generous with his ideas which are many.
Sounded like an obituary....sorry :-[
Confidense comes with longevity of success Turner. If you beat something for over 8 years. You don't fear it anymore. You always give it some respect because as Superman says, that killer losing streak can be around the corner. I have known for several years I could beat a live wheel.
What I was never sure of was, could I beat an RNG. I now believe its possible so long as the RNG is playing fair. I am beginning to believe BV is a fair RNG in real money mode. Some sessions you have to work for the profit. Some sessions it lands in your lap. But what I look for overall is a common breakdown in win to loss ratio. And thus far there is absolutely no difference between a real wheel and BV RNG. And that is very, very good news. My goal is to see how far I can go with this. It means an incredible return for Supermans investment over the coming years, and myself.
I have started very cautiously, creeping up until I have 1000 won points on top of Supermans innitial investment of 2000. Then I will begin to increase the unit value of a point. Until at some point in time I am making over 20 pounds/euros per day.
If BV allow me to do this? ??? I can't see them letting me take them to pieces for years to come. At the moment I am making pennies, no alarm bells are going off. By this time next year it will be another story.
I will say this to all of you. Once you have a method that works. It WORKS for alltime. It will have its bad days, minor setbacks. But overall there are no serious killer runs. IF, the method is worth playing in the first place. Its true that methods do crash and burn even after winning several thousand points. I have seen it. But if you are playing a method that doesn't fight random but instead flows with it. This will never happen. The revised ZONE is the way to go against RNGS. Five is excellent too. But as Bayes said a while back. He didn't like the look of that progression. And neither do I.
So I don't settle, as Still pointed out I am constantly morphing and pushing for the ultimate method. I have a few very good ones. Now I have an absolute gem. Everyone wants to know why am I now being so stingy about releasing these new ideas that have made me over 1700 points on an RNG. The reason is I want there to be no doubt that they are winners.
What used to happen was I would present a method on the forum and my results. Then someone else would get hold of it and report it as next to useless because for whatever reason they couldnt buy a win. So when Bayes first gave me the oppurtunity to show I can win I jumped at it. But there were to many flaws and question marks in the software. And too many were doubting that I am doing this fair and square.
So now Superman has kindly set up an infallible account with a well known online RNG at BV.And there will be no doubting what I will achieve over the coming years. The ultimate complement will be when BV eventually decide they can no longer put up with me fleecing them day in day out. And believe me that day will come.
But hopefully by then Superman and myself will have made a pretty penny. Or I should say pound. This is not an overnight show. Even when I reach 100,000 points there will be doubters. I know human nature well when it comes to this game. But what I am sure about is there will be a helluva lot more people who believe this game is for the taking by the time I am done. That is why I am doing this. Seeing is believing. The talk is over its time to show you all this game was always beatable. If the right mindset was applied to it.
My Dads squadron motto was "Niet praten, maar doen"
"Don't talk, but do"
From what I have seen from an F-16 pilot is structure and consistent understanding. This is just on the ground :) I think JL plays at a very high understanding. 8 years and going.
How is your live playing going JL, how are the methods performing?
Look forward to updates on various threads as well.
........So I would bet against the last 4th fallen dozzen !! Is that correct ?!?
And what progression do you preffer ?!? 1-3-9-27
As I have read, it's advisable to stop after the 3rd lost bet.
Would be great if someone could clear that up for me.
Thanks
Ray
Great Johnlegend!
You'll get it.
Good luck!
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10091.msg89140#msg89140 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10091.msg89140#msg89140)
We had the same idea ;D Turner.
Quote from: amk on Sep 10, 06:38 PM 2012
My Dads squadron motto was "Niet praten, maar doen"
"Don't talk, but do"
From what I have seen from an F-16 pilot is structure and consistent understanding. This is just on the ground :) I think JL plays at a very high understanding. 8 years and going.
How is your live playing going JL, how are the methods performing?
Look forward to updates on various threads as well.
Yes AMK Will update soon. Im currently only usimg Pattern Breaker and Hybrid DC4 from the previous methods. As FIVE and The ZONE perfected have entered the frame. I will update them soon. And when the time comes present the new two. That are going to take me to a different level. And particularly. The ZONE perfected. Its the one that can take any format without breaking the bank. Its potential will be shown against BV until the people that run the show either allow Superman and me to make a small fortune. Or close me down. Which one comes first we shall see.
If they ever close you down, you will at least got 200.000 Euro before, I know its under the limit.
That casino pays out big amounts every day, and profit well because of it, not the opposite.
Do not stretch the term of use ever!
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 11, 02:46 AM 2012
If they ever close you down, you will at least got 200.000 Euro before, I know its under the limit.
That casino pays out big amounts every day, and profit well because of it, not the opposite.
Do not stretch the term of use ever!
Term of use? Are you saying they will allow me to eventually take 200 thousand pounds/euros from them before they stop.me? If so Then Superman should be smiling from ear to ear right now.
If you win much, you will get a mail saying they pay at most 5000 a day, so that's your max winning rate. They pay all but max 5000 a day.
Do not have more than one account, do not do many cancel bet, and follow all the terms of use, and you are safe.
They can even get it so far they tell you you are not allowed to win more than 5000 a day.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 11, 04:15 AM 2012
If you win much, you will get a mail saying they pay at most 5000 a day, so that's your max winning rate. They pay all but max 5000 a day.
Do not have more than one account, do not do many cancel bet, and follow all the terms of use, and you are safe.
They can even get it so far they tell you you are not allowed to win more than 5000 a day.
What do you mean ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 11, 05:32 AM 2012
What do you mean ?
They do not allow free spins, and if you bet so you can not win or lose, you are not really in the game. Bet a cent on an EC, as they cancel win or loss in the longer run, it is better, you play.
This may be only the NOZ as you can lose on a zero wheel how ever you bet.
You should not worry about not getting the winnings. It is thousends of people, very rich, which put 100 Euro on a plein, should they worry? Some of them win of course.
You do not watch it on line, but it is high rolling on line as well, but for sure in Vegas you will see it.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 11, 05:59 AM 2012
They do not allow free spins, and if you bet so you can not win or lose, you are not really in the game. Bet a cent on an EC, as they cancel win or loss in the longer run, it is better, you play.
This may be only the NOZ as you can lose on a zero wheel how ever you bet.
I understand you now, thank you. Are you sayin they wont payout if you generate free spins ? I used to put 2u on 1st and 2nd doz and 1u on last 2 streets to make a free bet
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 11, 06:09 AM 2012
You should not worry about not getting the winnings. It is thousends of people, very rich, which put 100 Euro on a plein, should they worry? Some of them win of course.
You do not watch it on line, but it is high rolling on line as well, but for sure in Vegas you will see it.
Sorry, ive not understood you again.
edit
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 11, 03:08 PM 2012
Sorry, I've not understood you again.
Hi Twister I think what he is saying is you have to bet on every spin for them to accept you abiding by the rules. They see it as a way of the house edge eventually catching up with you. When I played Bayes RNG. I had the luxury of skipping as many spins as I wanted plus lightning fast speed. You could tap out 2 or 3 numbers a second. Thats why I was able to condense a weeks play into one session. Even on an RNG its alot slower. Plus many times you have to recoup some losses incurred while tracking for a game.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 11, 03:08 PM 2012
Sorry, I've not understood you again.
Just there are high rollers online as well, but we can not see the other players on BV as in a B&M.
Every bigger casino is use to deal with higher payouts.