Ok here is a little fun Method that wins and amazes me with its strike rate
I've only paperbet this on Paddypower Slingshot (60 spins an hour) but I'm up over 60 Units
You can use your preffered progression
Write down the last 15 numbers as Dozens in a 3x Grid like so,
123
xxx
xxx
xxx
xxx
etc etc
You then bet for a single repeat from the line above, here is an example
133
323 Hit 3rd bet
222 Hit 2nd bet
112 Hit 3rd bet
The most lines I've seen hit in a row is 8 and the most for losses is 2 lines, so far the 3rd line has always hit but I accept it can and will lose at some point
I only play for 1 hit per line but you can get 2 hits often and 3 does happen also, but I'm happy with 1 hit.
Enjoy !
this might be a nice little system
thanks
Here is a Session I played,
122
122 Hit 1st bet
312 Hit 3rd bet
132 Hit 3rd bet
113 Hit 1st bet
112 Hit 1st bet
311 Hit 2nd bet
213 Hit 2nd bet
132 Loss
122 Hit 1st bet
For me thats +11 Units
it has indeed a great strikerate, i use fibo prog on it 1 2 3 5 .....
also i use a system that's posted here somewhere with doz & cols but changed a rule
forgot the name but original it goes like this
note down 1a 2b 3c
the next 6 spins you write next the other numbers & letters
1a2c 2b2a 3c1b
next spin is doz 1 write it down under 1 and normally you bet against the complete 1 pattern but i bet for the pattern, so you get
1a2c 2b2a 3c1b
1
so start betting here for col a then for doz 2 and then col c.
it has a pretty good strikerate too.
I think its divide & conquer ?
--Always said betting dozens is much safer folloving the wheel
and there could be developed many nice methods.
Great concept Twister.
I assume you dont have to record 15 spins at the start of each session before you start betting.
Will back-test this with LIVE B+M spins.
Cheers,
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 17, 02:47 PM 2012
Great concept Twister.
I assume you don't have to record 15 spins at the start of each session before you start betting.
Will back-test this with LIVE B+M spins.
Cheers,
Dino.
Thank you :thumbsup:
No you dont and I wondered who would be the 1st to ask that. The reason I choose to do so is it gives me a feel for whats going on. If I join and the previous 5 lines are all winners I know Im due a loser, based on past experience. Like I say thats just me. But no you can go straight out to bat from the previous 3 spins.
Hi again Twister.
Save working it out !! what progression do YOU use.
11 point profit looks good for so few spins.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 17, 03:07 PM 2012
Hi again Twister.
Save working it out !! what progression do YOU use.
11 point profit looks good for so few spins.
Dino.
I use 1 2 3 and then 2 4 6 until level or new high
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 17, 02:46 PM 2012
--Always said betting dozens is much safer folloving the wheel
and there could be developed many nice methods.
Totally agree Flat :thumbsup:
Twister.
2 losers in a row,any zero in the 2 lines ?
Cheers.
Dino.
No zero's in the above example
Zero's happen. You could put a minimum chip on Zero if you wanted too. I choose to repeat bet and carry on
It is nice when you see a Zero pop up and ure not betting, for example youve had ure win on the 1st bet and then a Zero hits on the 2nd or 3rd spin
What about a twist on your concept !!
112
122 win 1st bet 1/2d
131 win 1st bet 1/2d
121 win 1st bet 1/3d
101 win 1st bet 1/2d
332 no bet due to zero
333 win 1st bet 2/3d
313 no bet as only 3d
313 win 1st bet 1/3d
021 win 3rd bet 1/3d
232 no bet due to zero
113 win 3rd bet 2/3d
322 win 1st bet 1/3d
213 win 1st bet 2/3d
332 no bet due to 3 different ds
02 win 2nd bet 2/3d
All the above actual LIVE B+M spins( back-tested )
NO loser as yet !!!!
Just an ongoing thought,
Dino.
Sorry Twister NO pun intended !!!!!!!!
Regards.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 17, 03:49 PM 2012
What about a twist on your concept !!
112
122 win 1st bet 1/2d
131 win 1st bet 1/2d
121 win 1st bet 1/3d
101 win 1st bet 1/2d
332 no bet due to zero
333 win 1st bet 2/3d
313 no bet as only 3d
313 win 1st bet 1/3d
021 win 3rd bet 1/3d
232 no bet due to zero
113 win 3rd bet 2/3d
322 win 1st bet 1/3d
213 win 1st bet 2/3d
332 no bet due to 3 different ds
02 win 2nd bet 2/3d
All the above actual LIVE B+M spins( back-tested )
NO loser as yet !!!!
Just an ongoing thought,
Dino.
I like it :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 17, 03:34 PM 2012
No zero's in the above example
Zero's happen. You could put a minimum chip on Zero if you wanted too. I choose to repeat bet and carry on
It is nice when you see a Zero pop up and your not betting, for example youve had your win on the 1st bet and then a Zero hits on the 2nd or 3rd spin
Twister...Im assuming correctly that you take only 1 win from the 3 and spin until the start of the next 3
LWx
Wxx
Wxx
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 17, 04:08 PM 2012
Twister...I'm assuming correctly that you take only 1 win from the 3 and spin until the start of the next 3
LWx
Wxx
Wxx
I choose to take just one win and then continue to write down results to give the line to then bet on, you could play for 2 wins if you wanted too
Example
123
222 Had 2 bets won on 2nd bet continue to track
I have had a wee bit of rum, so maybe I missed this logic.
Why fifteen numbers at the start? Why not just three?
Sam
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 17, 02:52 PM 2012
Thank you :thumbsup:
No you don't and I wondered who would be the 1st to ask that. The reason I choose to do so is it gives me a feel for what's going on. If I join and the previous 5 lines are all winners I know I'm due a loser, based on past experience. Like I say that's just me. But no you can go straight out to bat from the previous 3 spins.
It reminds me bit of Code 4 Reverse Attack by JL. It looked for matches in dozens in every 4th row of 4 dozens and columns after 2 losses. As any single dozen betting it will go often enough more than 8 steps and incorporating any triggers does not make any difference. Any bet selection for dozens here is as good. If you lucky and win few units get out. ;D
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 17, 10:20 PM 2012
I have had a wee bit of rum, so maybe I missed this logic.
Why fifteen numbers at the start? Why not just three?
Sam
No worries Sam
As I said its so you can get a feel for whats goin on. If you join the game and the last 5 lines have won then, due to experience, you know ure due a loser. Thats just me though. You can, as you said, go out to bat bat from the 4th spin :thumbsup:
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 18, 12:44 AM 2012
It reminds me bit of Code 4 Reverse Attack by JL. It looked for matches in dozens in every 4th row of 4 dozens and columns after 2 losses. As any single dozen betting it will go often enough more than 8 steps and incorporating any triggers does not make any difference. Any bet selection for dozens here is as good. If you lucky and win few units get out. ;D
I disagree.
I agree with Bayes that some bet selections are better than others
I know if I just randomly chose a dozen to bet on or used my Method above the Method above would perform better
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 18, 04:22 AM 2012
I disagree.
I agree with Bayes that some bet selections are better than others
I know if I just randomly chose a dozen to bet on or used my Method above the Method above would perform better
Why don't you compare and test if that is the case.
You follow the first dozen that hit for six attempts.
When you lose you six attempts you follow the last hit dozen up to six attempts - on a win at this secound stage you reset the progression and start all over again.
Progression 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 6 8 up to 12 steps.
Now you can see if your bet selection is better then playing random against random.
I use bet selections, but I am not sure it makes it better, I am sure it will not make it worse.
In such a scenario, I think it is right to use them.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 18, 04:50 AM 2012
I use bet selections, but I am not sure it makes it better, I am sure it will not make it worse.
In such a scenario, I think it is right to use them.
Well the game is cruel as the wheel has 37 degree of freedom and nothing is due to happen.
The only bet selections i find being slight better then regular patterns is does who is based upon math and probability and where you can define what is a complete cycle with perfect balance or imbalance.
it is not completely correct to say you bet random, if you deny you use a bet selection.
The human brain can't think random, it will bet pattern.
Ask anybody to random write down R B or numbers, you will not see a random pattern, rather a balanced. Seldom 35,35,35,35,12,6,12. 0r RRRRRBRRRRR
A bet selection, where the outcome dictates the selection, is most of the time more like random.
Am I being really thick here and not getting it at all!? I thought we were playing for one win per line i.e. one doz to be the same as the one marked down above? So shouldn't the spins below be as I have marked in red? So wouldn't this be 5 lines in a row with no win? Apologies if I'm being a numpty! That's another word for a silly person for our friends who don't have english as a first language! :)
Cheers
Roughy
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 17, 03:49 PM 2012
What about a twist on your concept !!
112
122 win 1st bet 1/2d
131 win 1st bet 1/2d
121 win 1st bet 1/3d
101 win 1st bet 1/2d
332 no bet due to zero
333 win 1st bet 2/3d
313 no bet as only 3d
313 win 1st bet 1/3d
021 win 3rd bet 1/3d - no win on this line, 3rd bet does not match
232 no bet due to zero
113 win 3rd bet 2/3d - no win on this line, 3rd bet does not match
322 win 1st bet 1/3d - no win on this line, 1st bet does not match
213 win 1st bet 2/3d - no win on this line, 2nd bet does not match
332 no bet due to 3 different ds
02 win 2nd bet 2/3d - no win on this line, 2nd bet does not match
All the above actual LIVE B+M spins( back-tested )
NO loser as yet !!!!
Just an ongoing thought,
Dino.
I think Dino bets on the 2 doz's that appeared in the line above
If there is a 0, all same doz or 3 diff doz's he doesnt bet
then it makes sense that he wins his bets ;)
Ah! But this was posted as a one dozen bet. Are you playing this as a double dozen bet Dino? And if so where do you get the second dozen to bet from? Apologies again if I'm just not seeing it :)
Cheers
Roughy
like i said and that's how i see it,
if the previous line was
131
he bets doz 1/3
if it was
122
he bets doz 1/2
if it was
123
he bets nothing because of the 3 diff doz's
offcourse he probably has another progression
Hi Twister,
I have a a question that I can't find here...
when you got you 5 rows of 3 numbers you start betting the same outcome of line 1.
I f you win on the first , do you stop and wait for the other 2 to fall. Then start with the second line ?
Allways follow the 3 and then the next line....
Is that the way ?!?
Thanks for clearing this up to me.
Ray
Hello! Cant thank you enough for all your valuable input! I am totally confused on how to apply this method "one doz plz" . Could you please explain bet for bet , maybe then i can understand.If you have time. Thanks joe funk
Quote from: rayhd63 on Sep 18, 11:36 AM 2012
Hi Twister,
I have a a question that I can't find here...
when you got you 5 rows of 3 numbers you start betting the same outcome of line 1.
I f you win on the first , do you stop and wait for the other 2 to fall. Then start with the second line ?
Allways follow the 3 and then the next line....
Is that the way ?!?
Thanks for clearing this up to me.
Ray
No, you only work from the last line of results
The reason for copyin the previous 5 lines was just to get a feel for the game
Example
Look at last 3 spins, say 31 7 9
This would look like this
311
You now bet 3rd dozen if no win 1st dozen and again 1st dozen if no win
311
131 Hit on 3rd spin Now you bet 1st dozen 3rd dozen etc until a win
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 18, 04:22 AM 2012
I disagree.
I agree with Bayes that some bet selections are better than others
I know if I just randomly chose a dozen to bet on or used my Method above the Method above would perform better
I have a philosophical take on bet selection dilemma. All bet selection are equal because there is no empirical way to prove otherwise. ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 18, 06:14 PM 2012
The reason for copyin the previous 5 lines was just to get a feel for the game
hehehe i like this one :D
Hello TwisterUk!!
Thanks for posting the method, I really like. Low bets, short sessions, comfortable prog.
Best to leave as is, for now :)
Do you play everyday? Could you keep us posted per session?
Do you have a stop loss?
What are the maximums youve seen etc?
Good to have you back on the forum.
Stepkevh,thanks for explaining my twist on Twisters excellent concept in TEXT FORM to Roughy as i find it much EASIER to show GAME-PLAY examples when explaining a system than loads of text / writing.
I have tested the twist with more LIVE sessions and found ONLY one loser to date.
Once Again THANKS Twister for the inspiration for all this POSITIVE work.
Will report further........
Dino.
Quote from: okieredhawk on Sep 18, 01:36 PM 2012
Hello! can't thank you enough for all your valuable input! I am totally confused on how to apply this method "one doz plz" . Could you please explain bet for bet , maybe then i can understand.If you have time. Thanks joe funk
Sorry...don't know how confused u r, so this may be patronising.
12, 22, 32 is doz1, 2,3
33,34,1 is 3,3,1
11,12,29 is 1,1,3
Write them down like this an bet the 3 doz sequence will repeat, 15 spins ago.
Or, as i do, note on the marquee where 15 ago is and bet in 3's
So if 15 ago is 1 then 1, then 2(112) then you bet 1,1,2.
Dont bet if u win....so...x is let it spin
15 ago is 133 and next 3 were 233 u would of bet 23x
Or...15 ago is 332 and next are 311 u would of bet 3xx
Turner
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 20, 05:38 AM 2012
Sorry...don't know how confused u r, so this may be patronising.
12, 22, 32 is doz1, 2,3
33,34,1 is 3,3,1
11,12,29 is 1,1,3
Write them down like this an bet the 3 doz sequence will repeat, 15 spins ago.
Or, as i do, note on the marquee where 15 ago is and bet in 3's
So if 15 ago is 1 then 1, then 2(112) then you bet 1,1,2.
Turner
That is one of playing it but not how I play it
I always play the last 3 spins
The reason for markin down the last 15 spins was to get a feel for the game
So, you look at the last 15 spins and then write down as Dozens like this
112
212
123
313
312
333 Now bet 3rd dozen next 3 spins
312 Hit 1st bet now bet 3rd dozen 1st dozen 2nd dozen but stop at a winner on each line
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 20, 05:48 AM 2012
That is one of playing it but not how I play it
I always play the last 3 spins
The reason for markin down the last 15 spins was to get a feel for the game
So, you look at the last 15 spins and then write down as Dozens like this
112
212
123
K313
312
333 Now bet 3rd dozen next 3 spins
312 Hit 1st bet now bet 3rd dozen 1st dozen 2nd dozen but stop at a winner on each line
Im tryin to help and explaining it wrong lol. So we bet the last 3 repeat
Yep thats it, always last 3
You can go straight into bat on the 4th spin, no trackin no waiting
I should say you just bet that 1 of the 3 dozens will repeat
like this,
122
1 Win first bet stop bettin let spins carry on
like this,
122
131
23 Win second bet stop bettin let spins carry on etc etc
Twister,please confirm i played this LIVE B+M session the BEST way,re your concept.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 lost
331 lost
032 won 2nd bet
332 won 2nd bet
312 won 1st bet
111 won 2nd bet
131 won 1st bet
112 won 1st bet
303 lost
121 no bet due to zero
131 won 1st bet
113 won 1st bet
233 won 3rd bet
123 won 3rd bet
232 lost
311 lost
111 won 2nd bet
313 won 2nd bet
111 won 2nd bet
313 won 2nd bet
Interesting that i didnt wait for virtual 15 spins before betting and look what happened 2 losers
straight away !!!
There is no doubt your advice in your first post rings-true !!
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 20, 08:18 AM 2012
Twister,please confirm i played this LIVE B+M session the BEST way,re your concept.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 lost
331 lost
032 won 2nd bet
332 won 2nd bet <<<<< no bet due to zero
312 won 1st bet
111 won 2nd bet
131 won 1st bet
112 won 1st bet
303 lost
121 no bet due to zero
131 won 1st bet
113 won 1st bet
233 won 3rd bet
123 won 3rd bet
232 lost
311 lost
111 won 2nd bet
313 won 2nd bet
111 won 2nd bet
313 won 2nd bet
Interesting that i didn't wait for virtual 15 spins before betting and look what happened 2 losers
straight away !!!
There is no doubt your advice in your first post rings-true !!
Dino.
Hope you dont mind twister,below are the same spins BUT with my twist on YOUR idea.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
331 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
032 won 1st bet zero or 2nd bet 1/3 dz
332 no bet due to zero
312 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
111 no bet due to 3 diff dz
131 no bet due to 3 same dz
112 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
303 won on 2nd bet 1/2 (I always cover zero )
121 no bet due to zero
131 won 1st bet 1/2 dz
113 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
233 won 2nd bet 1/3 dz
123 won 3rd bet 2/3 dz
232 no bet due to 3 diff dz
311 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
111 won 2nd bet 1/3 dz
313 no bet due to 3 same dz
111 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
313 no bet due to 3 same doz
I always bet minimum £5 outside bets and cover zero every time as INSURANCE......hence NO losers to date on any session with dozens.I have had ONE loser with columns
Dino.
Hey Turnerfeck.....YOUR right !!!
Well spotted.
Many Thanks,
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 20, 08:18 AM 2012
Twister,please confirm i played this LIVE B+M session the BEST way,re your concept.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 lost
331 lost
032 won 2nd bet
332 won 2nd bet
312 won 1st bet
111 won 2nd bet
131 won 1st bet
112 won 1st bet
303 lost
121 no bet due to zero
131 won 1st bet
113 won 1st bet
233 won 3rd bet
123 won 3rd bet
232 lost
311 lost
111 won 2nd bet
313 won 2nd bet
111 won 2nd bet
313 won 2nd bet
Interesting that i didn't wait for virtual 15 spins before betting and look what happened 2 losers
straight away !!!
There is no doubt your advice in your first post rings-true !!
Dino.
Sorry Im a bit tired but it looks perfect aside the Zero error which has already been pointed out, well done :thumbsup:
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 20, 08:42 AM 2012
Hope you don't mind twister,below are the same spins BUT with my twist on YOUR idea.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
331 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
032 won 1st bet zero or 2nd bet 1/3 dz
332 no bet due to zero
312 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
111 no bet due to 3 diff dz
131 no bet due to 3 same dz
112 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
303 won on 2nd bet 1/2 (I always cover zero )
121 no bet due to zero
131 won 1st bet 1/2 dz
113 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
233 won 2nd bet 1/3 dz
123 won 3rd bet 2/3 dz
232 no bet due to 3 diff dz
311 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
111 won 2nd bet 1/3 dz
313 no bet due to 3 same dz
111 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
313 no bet due to 3 same doz
I always bet minimum £5 outside bets and cover zero every time as INSURANCE......hence NO losers to date on any session with dozens.I have had ONE loser with columns
Dino.
I like it, good job :thumbsup:
Many Thanks Twister.
I am off to watch Fools and Horses on BBC1 for an hour now so will return soon !!!!
All the best everyone,
Dino.
I tried also this method but got alot of losses in a live online casino.
Got more success by betting the dozen if it shows 2 times of 3 in previous spins.
To continue.....there are only 3 losing combinations,111,222,or 333 that can defeat a game if played using the TWIST version of Twisters concept.
I don"t include zero in a combination as i consider it a POSITIVE-INSURANCE bet as there is even more profit when it hits
Regards.
Dino.
Hello Twister,
Thank you very much for your system.
I tested using GLC's 2 up zero down progression for the single dozen and it seems to be holding very well.
I need to test further before playing for real.
Regards
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 20, 11:02 AM 2012
To continue.....there are only 3 losing combinations,111,222,or 333 that can defeat a game if played using the TWIST version of Twisters concept.
I don"t include zero in a combination as i consider it a POSITIVE-INSURANCE bet as there is even more profit when it hits
Regards.
Dino.
Do you prefer the Twist version ?
Quote from: sniper on Sep 20, 11:04 AM 2012
Hello Twister,
Thank you very much for your system.
I tested using GLC's 2 up zero down progression for the single dozen and it seems to be holding very well.
I need to test further before playing for real.
Regards
No worries, ure welcome !
Can you explain that progression to me ? Thanx
Hello Twister,
GLC's progression for single dozen.
QuoteThis post supercedes my post above on "2 up 0 down" for single dozens.
We play the single dozen or single column bets using all the same numbers as the even chance bet
but we multiply each number by 2. That's because an even chance is a 1 to 1 payoff and a dozen
is a 2 to 1 payoff. The only difference is that we write down 4 of each number, representing
1 number for each loss when playing the dozens, instead of 2 of each number representing 1
1 number for each loss when playing the even chances.
And, we cross off 2 numbers for each win when playing dozens instead of 1 number for each win
when playing even chances.
If you think about this for a moment, you'll see exactly why we do this.
It has to do with the pay-out per unit bet ratio.
Illustration: If we have no wins and 5 losses on the even chance bet our line will look like this:
1 1 2 2 3. (Remember, we are still only betting 1 unit because we don't have 2 wins yet.If we have
no wins and 5 losses on the single dozen bet our line will look like this:1 1 1 1 2.If we have no wins
and 10 losses on the single dozen bet our line will look like this:1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3.
Also, still only betting 1 unit because haven't had 2 wins yet.If we now have 3 wins in a row,
the above line will look like this:1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3.
We would be down -2 at this time because we lost 10 bets at 1 units each and won 2 bets at 1
with a 2:1 payout netting 4 units and 1 bet at 2 units netting 4 units = 8 units. -10+8= -2 units.
SAFETY BRAKES:
When we get something like this: 11223344556677889910 10,
it's time to incorporate the safety brake and start crossing off 4 number for each win instead of
only 2 numbers. Our safety brakes are: At 10 we cross off 4 numbers for each win instead of 2.
At 15 we cross off 6 numbers for each win instead of 3.At 25 we cross off 8 numbers for each win
instead of 4.
This will exhaust our line more quickly giving us the opportunity to reset.
We will have to take a loss most of the time when we have to incorporate the safety brakes and
the larger a bet level we get to, the larger our loss will be, but it's necessary to give up some units
along the way rather than play each attack till death do us part.
The safety brakes don't come into play that often.
Most of the time we will reach a new profit before we lose enough times to reach 10 unit bets or
higher.When we reach 10 unit bets or higher, it means we are having a very bad session and we
should be happy to get out of it without losing our shirt. Well, we might lose our shirt, but
hopefully not our pants too.
Regards
Yes,to your question Twister.
I never like losing games and to date with dozens = 100% hit rate ( provided zero is covered )
This 2 dozen Twist version would NEVER have seen the light of day without first being inspired by your 1 dozen concept.
I always like the hit-run-win way of playing....BOTH versions suit this.
Cheers.
Dino.
Just a suggestion... there are more than enough combinations to give rewards here...
Why not skip the combo's of 111/222/333 as a dozen can hit multiple times in a row, and that would cause some havoc.Specially if you had something like...
111
222
111
333 etc.
Just a thought?
Regards
M
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 20, 11:23 AM 2012
Yes,to your question Twister.
I never like losing games and to date with dozens = 100% hit rate ( provided zero is covered )
This 2 dozen Twist version would NEVER have seen the light of day without first being inspired by your 1 dozen concept.
I always like the hit-run-win way of playing....BOTH versions suit this.
Cheers.
Dino.
Thats great to read :thumbsup:
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 20, 11:23 AM 2012
Yes,to your question Twister.
I never like losing games and to date with dozens = 100% hit rate ( provided zero is covered )
This 2 dozen Twist version would NEVER have seen the light of day without first being inspired by your 1 dozen concept.
I always like the hit-run-win way of playing....BOTH versions suit this.
Cheers.
Dino.
how much would your cover bet on 0 be ?
Stephan
Hi stephan.
If 5-5 then 1 on zero = profit of 4 = 80% profit ( better than a bank ).
If 15-15 then again 1 on zero.
On EVERY outside bet i have always covered zero as a Positive Insurance bet,long before i read all the debates on this forum whether it should be played or not,its funny the amount of times I've seen a croupier hit a zero on the last spin of a session !
Hope this all helps.
Dino.
In what sense are zero more a threat hit at an outside bet than all other numbers not covered?
In some cases we will have half back on zero, but not on opposite outside. To guard black 2 is more sensible than zero if surrender rules apply,and we are betting red.
The outside bets EC and bets on more than half of the table is the best bet for the casinos if they
do not apply the surrender rules. If we bet half or more bets of the possible winnings, the house edge has a larger amount to work on compare to the possible winnings. It is the same 2,7, 5,25 on outside bets as inside.
That one of the reason 2 doz bet have difficult to make winnings. The turn over are most of the time smaller on the inside bets, and then less subject to the unfair odds.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 20, 10:50 PM 2012
In what sense are zero more a threat hit at an outside bet than all other numbers not covered?
In some cases we will have half back on zero, but not on opposite outside. To guard black 2 is more sensible than zero if surrender rules apply,and we are betting red.
The outside bets EC and bets on more than half of the table is the best bet for the casinos if they
do not apply the surrender rules. If we bet half or more bets of the possible winnings, the house edge has a larger amount to work on compare to the possible winnings. It is the same 2,7, 5,25 on outside bets as inside.
That one of the reason 2 doz bet have difficult to make winnings. The turn over are most of the time smaller on the inside bets, and then less subject to the unfair odds.
For me its a Mental thing, like just in ure head
IF/WHEN you lose you DONT want it to be to Zero. IF/WHEN you lose you dont mind it being to the 'other dozen'
Thats how I used to feel backin 2 Dozens, personally its not for me Hence my One Dozen Sytem
Each their own and all that :thumbsup:
I just played my 1 Dozen System with a Twist, see what you think
Gonna play in a 3 Grid as before but only bet Spin 1 on each line of 3, here follows real results played today
333
122 Lose
221 Lose
232 Win (1st spin only)
321 Lose
311 Win
312 Win
221 Lose
311 Lose
333 Win
323 Win
311 Win
122 Lose
123 Win
121 Win
111 Win
122 Win
232 Lose
322 Lose
311 Win
End
You can see that the longest losin run in this test was 2
Use ure prefered progression
I think if you use an 8 step progression (of ure choice)
Help test if you can :thumbsup:
Hi Twister.
Off we go again !!
Like your thinking RE 1ST BET ONLY VERSION.
Have doubts though as following session from 25-10-11 LIVE Supercasino.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 lose
331 lose
032 lose ( if zero not covered )
332 no bet due to zero
312 win
111 lose
131 win
112 win
303 lose
121 lose
131 win
113 win
233 lose
123 lose
232 lose
311 lose
111 lose
313 lose
111 lose
313 lose
111 lose
313 lose
111 lose
How is this for an idea,bet 2 dozens as per my twist 1st bet only.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 09:03 AM 2012
Hi Twister.
Off we go again !!
Like your thinking RE 1ST BET ONLY VERSION.
Have doubts though as following session from 25-10-11 LIVE Supercasino.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 lose
331 lose
032 lose ( if zero not covered )
332 no bet due to zero
312 win
111 lose
131 win
112 win
303 lose
121 lose
131 win
113 win
233 lose
123 lose
232 lose
311 lose
111 lose
313 lose
111 lose
313 lose
111 lose
313 lose
111 lose
How is this for an idea,bet 2 dozens as per my twist 1st bet only.
Dino.
Ok well that NUKES that idea LoL
To be honest I did think of the 2 dozen just 1st spin system too but didn't mention it 1) I chose the above system and 2) I'm not a fan of bettin 2 dozens
Havin said that, shall we test 2 dozens with a chip on Zero bettin 1st spin only ?
Same guidelines as before
Let me know what you think ?
Twister......Superb answer to the 1ST BET VERSION of both concepts.
Your Reply # 60 = + £ 37 ( £5 chip on each dozen with £1 chip on zero )
My Reply # 61 = + £ 35
Worth more testing me-thinks.....to be continued.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 10:27 AM 2012
Twister......Superb answer to the 1ST BET VERSION of both concepts.
Your Reply # 60 = + £ 37 ( £5 chip on each dozen with £1 chip on zero )
My Reply # 61 = + £ 35
Worth more testing me-thinks.....to be continued.
Dino.
Agreed :thumbsup:
Do you play RNG or Real Wheel ?
Only play Real Wheel,RNG isn"t Roulette.....Its Mickey Mouse !!
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 10:54 AM 2012
Only play Real Wheel,RNG isn"t Roulette.....Its Mickey Mouse !!
Totally agree !
Are you based in the UK/EU or US ?
Uk
Ah good so Single Zero !
What Online Live Casino's do you use ?
I use Paddypower
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 11:22 AM 2012
Uk
Yep...we arnt in the land of the free....we can bet where we want :twisted:
Supercasino + Smartcasino,Live Dealer and Air Ball.
I prefer B+M as there are 2 casinos less than a mile away.
Whats the longest uve gone on the progression ?
1-1
3-3
9-9
27-27
81-81
Im off to do some more testin !
9 - 9 i think.
This is an interesting session played Live spins at B+M casino,re your 1dz concept......watch for the zeros !!
233
211 win 1st bet
220 win 1st
133 nb
323 win 3rd
221 win 2nd
111 win 3rd
311 win 2nd
122 lose
231 lose
022 win 1st (0)
212 nb
320 win 3rd (0)
112 nb
313 win 2nd
110 win 2nd
220 win 3rd (0)
011 nb
All Grist-to-the-mill.
I know we should not be greedy even if the bankers ARE.....and for bad performance.
But why not play the 3 concepts at the same time in the same session.
1 dozen Twister
2 dozen Twist
2 dozen Twist 1st bet only
Progression upto the player
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 12:41 PM 2012
I know we should not be greedy even if the bankers ARE.....and for bad performance.
But why not play the 3 concepts at the same time in the same session.
1 dozen Twister
2 dozen Twist
2 dozen Twist 1st bet only
Progression upto the player
I have to agree. This will need a System rewrite so anyone following us understands how each system is played
Test results for 2 Dozen Twist 1st bet only
Played Live Wheel
212
313 L
232 L
332 W
322 W
211 W
322 L
222 W
322 NB
233 W
233 W
221 W
311 L
123 W
331 NB
123 W
133 NB
123 W
323 NB
222 W
131 NB
332 W
+12 Units Won
Looks good,just a shame about the 8 units lost !!
But i reckon with a small progression.........BIG profit.
2 dozen Twist + 4 units
SYSTEM UPDATE
As always when a System gets delivered to the Forum it gets morphed and adjusted, mostly for the better
The following is an addition to the 1st System mentioned on Page 1
It was forged by myself and dino246
Ok you write down the results from the Wheel as Dozens in a 3x Grid, like so
223
223
323
etc etc
You are looking to bet when a single line has ONLY 2 Dozens in them, like the ones I've just used as an example
using those examples line one only has Dozens 2 and 3 in it so that is the Double Dozen bet
However you ONLY bet on Spin 1 of each line
You use the usual 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 progression
You can choose to put a minimum chip on Zero, that is your choice.
Here follows Real Results from a Live Wheel,
212
313 L
232 L
332 W
322 W
211 W
322 L
222 W
322 NB
233 W
233 W
221 W
311 L
123 W
331 NB
123 W
133 NB
123 W
323 NB
222 W
131 NB
332 W
+12 Units Won
IF any line has all 3 dozens in it or a Zero then the next line is a No Bet
You can, as suggested by dino246 you can play all 3 Systems at once
Nice Post Twister,Thank You on behalf of ALL of us.
Will work on some Spins/Sessions to incorporate the 3 concepts together,bearing in mind if it turns out that a concept is a lot weaker than the other two for example and is found to dilute the profit from those 2 then a decision will have to be made how to go forward.
Bring on the testing for PROFIT.
dINO.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 02:00 PM 2012
Nice Post Twister,Thank You on behalf of ALL of us.
Will work on some Spins/Sessions to incorporate the 3 concepts together,bearing in mind if it turns out that a concept is a lot weaker than the other two for example and is found to dilute the profit from those 2 then a decision will have to be made how to go forward.
Bring on the testing for PROFIT.
dINO.
My instincts tell me that this last one we just forged will be the best long term, closely followed by the Original
Time will tell
The beauty is NO Tracking, just jump in on Spin 4 !!
Ok....here we go......
First column = Twist 1st bet only
Second column = Twist 2 Dozen
Third column = 1 Dozen Original
333
332 nb nb w1
222 w1 w1 w3
131 nb nb lose
133 w1 w1 w1
223 lose w3 w3
223 w1 w1 w1
333 w1 w1 w3
222 nb nb lose
113 nb nb lose
231 lose w2 lose
121 nb nb w3
312 lose w2 lose
322 nb nb w1
231 w1 w1 lose
311 nb nb w3
123 w1 w1 lose
233 nb nb w3
213 w1 w1 w1
313 nb nb w2
233 lose w2 w3
132 lose w2 w2
132 nb nb w1
322 nb nb w3
222 w1 w1 w2
333 nb nb lose
221 nb nb lose
120 w1 w1 w2
211 nb nb nb
313 lose w2 w2
312 w1 w1 w1
212 nb nb w2
122 w1 w1 w3
313 lose w2 lose
w1 = Won on 1st bet.
Unit + £ Profit to follow.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 03:32 PM 2012
Ok....here we go......
First column = Twist 1st bet only
Second column = Twist 2 Dozen
Third column = 1 Dozen Original
333
332 nb nb w1
222 w1 w1 w3
131 nb nb lose
133 w1 w1 w1
223 lose w3 w3
223 w1 w1 w1
333 w1 w1 w3
222 nb nb lose
113 nb nb lose
231 lose w2 lose
121 nb nb w3
312 lose w2 lose
322 nb nb w1
231 w1 w1 lose
311 nb nb w3
123 w1 w1 lose
233 nb nb w3
213 w1 w1 w1
313 nb nb w2
233 lose w2 w3
132 lose w2 w2
132 nb nb w1
322 nb nb w3
222 w1 w1 w2
333 nb nb lose
221 nb nb lose
120 w1 w1 w2
211 nb nb nb
313 lose w2 w2
312 w1 w1 w1
212 nb nb w2
122 w1 w1 w3
313 lose w2 lose
w1 = Won on 1st bet.
Unit + £ Profit to follow.
Well done !
Cant wait to see the Profit break down, I will let you crunch ure numbers lol !
First Column + 19 units ( Max Draw-down 8 )
Second Column + 18 units ( Max Draw-Down 0 )
Third Column + 20 units ( Max Draw-down 26 )
Profit approx £ 200 Net ( Cover on Zero-Insurance Paid ) Based on £5-£5 Pro-Rata.
Spins 102 approx 3 Hours Live B+M Casino.
Any good Twister ?
Some more results in
Live Wheel, no trackin - betting straight in on Spin 4
2 Dozen Twist 1st bet only
Progression used 1-1 3-3 9-9 and if needed 27-27
332
213 W
232 NB
331 W
223 L
111 L
132 NB
331 NB
323 W (9-9)
122 L
133 W
131 W
122 W
231 W
333 NB
212 NB
223 W
311 W
123 W
322 NB
311 W
Profit + 10u
NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 04:25 PM 2012
First Column + 19 units ( Max Draw-down 8 )
Second Column + 18 units ( Max Draw-Down 0 )
Third Column + 20 units ( Max Draw-down 26 )
Profit approx £ 200 Net ( Cover on Zero-Insurance Paid ) Based on £5-£5 Pro-Rata.
Spins 102 approx 3 Hours Live B+M Casino.
Any good Twister ?
I think thats Awesome :thumbsup:
A little surprised all 3 Systems came out around the same :wink:
Did you play this for real ? Or use actual's ?
I wonder if you could keep track to bet all 3 for real with 30 second spins ??
Back-Tested Supercasino Airball 02-12-11.
There's another 100+ spins from this session still to be tested.......+ the Columns !!
I would keep track if it would mean this sort of profit.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 04:42 PM 2012
Back-Tested Supercasino Airball 02-12-11.
There's another 100+ spins from this session still to be tested.......+ the Columns !!
I would keep track if it would mean this sort of profit.
From experience Columns never work as good as Dozens, no idea why
But I do know you cudnt play all 3 versions on Dozens AND Columns at the same time !
Unless we had a MEGA - BOT !
Funny thing about columns,when i first started playing back in 96 thats all i ever bet on 5-5 or 10-10 on the columns only because in those days it was so crowded i would stand at the end of the table out of the way.I would use my instinct to turn a £40 bank to a + of between £10 or £ 75 profit so i am pro both D+C.But i have NEVER played the numbers ONLY Zero.
I agree about the tracking issue,Big Plus.
For me TIME IS MONEY AND MONEY IS TIME,so PROFIT per HOUR is the GAME.
Answer is to put a larger unit bet on Column 1.
The BEST thing about this System ?
NO TRACKING IS REQUIRED !!!
Agreed !
Being able to Play from Spin 4 is most attractive :thumbsup:
I know its early days and can this FAIL.
I do feel the ZERO issue is IMPORTANT when betting 2 Dozens.
For me it is a Default Setting anyway.
i like simple systems like these. the loses seem 2 be spread out so a mild progression needing maybe 2 wins in a row to be in the plus is always a good thing i think.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 05:14 PM 2012
I know its early days and can this FAIL.
I do feel the ZERO issue is IMPORTANT when betting 2 Dozens.
For me it is a Default Setting anyway.
Sometimes the most simple things are the best things
ANON
I agree about Zero :thumbsup:
When i am in the mood i may embark on testing further THE 3 concepts TOGETHER using the 10,000 Live s.pin data i have accrued all written in long-hand on A4 paper.Most are in number AND D/C notation so it would not take too long to ACTION.........famous last words.
Quote from: ausjase on Sep 21, 05:16 PM 2012
i like simple systems like these. the loses seem 2 be spread out so a mild progression needing maybe 2 wins in a row to be in the plus is always a good thing i think.
Thats great to hear from you ausjase, let us know how you get on playing/testing !
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 05:22 PM 2012
When i am in the mood i may embark on testing further THE 3 concepts TOGETHER using the 10,000 Live s.pin data i have accrued all written in long-hand on A4 paper.Most are in number AND D/C notation so it would not take too long to ACTION.........famous last words.
Sounds like a plan !
2morrow Im gonna play all 3 versions for real, at the same time :xd:
Welcome to this Hot-Topic Ausjase.
Any views however surreal....Bring em on !!
Cheers.
Dino.
So the ongoing challange is to see who can beat the last longest losing run on the 3 Columns.
We start from Reply # 81.
Column 1 = 2
Column 2 = 0
Column 3 = 3
This will inform us how to deal with any progression going forward.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 21, 05:39 PM 2012
So the ongoing challange is to see who can beat the last longest losing run on the 3 Columns.
We start from Reply # 81.
Column 1 = 2
Column 2 = 0
Column 3 = 3
This will inform us how to deal with any progression going forward.
Are you playing Columns and Dozens at the same time ?
Ok first set of results for today
These were played on a Live Wheel
NO TRACKING IS REQUIRED, YOU PLAY FROM SPIN 4
112
133 W
221 L
222 W
113 NB
133 W
122 W
333 L
222 NB
331 NB
322 W
212 L
221 W
213 W
331 NB
322 W
331 W
111 L
122 NB
121 W
133 W
Win 11 Units
What i thought would be interesting would be to keep track of Losing-Runs per session on an ongoing basis.
No way was that post a system !
I think the wording gave that impression.
In further testing i want to TRY and make each of the 3 combinations FAIL until this Great Concept returns a PROFIT whatever the combination and whatever the session.in
Hit-Run-Win is another question,but i feel this concept is so strong going forward that H-R-W
has been answered.
Ah I see, good idea !
When you post ure results are you goin to post usin all 3 versions ?
Yes....that is the MASTER plan going forward,to create as much profit in the shortist time-span possible with the smallest risk.
Can you confirm the Unit total on the third column as i think my total is possibly way-out.
Many Thanks
Dino.
More Results from a Live Wheel
331
332 W
313 W
223 L
111 L
113 NB
133 W
231 L
223 NB
233 W
212 W
313 L
332 W
333 W
231 NB
222 NB
233 NB
211 W
113 L
113 W
122 W
111 W
212 NB
222 W
Profit +12units
continuation of results from 02-12-11 Supercasino Airball,Dozens.
This will be interesting to see how the concept holds-up over 220 spins.
First Column Twist 1st bet
Second column Twist 2 Dozen
Third column Twisters 2 Dozen
111
213 LOSE NB W2
332 NB NB LOSE
121 LOSE W2 LOSE
233 W1 W1 LOSE
112 LOSE LOSE LOSE
231 LOSE W1 LOSE
321 NB NB W3
312 NB NB W1
323 NB NB W1
233 W1 W1 W3
231 W1 W1 W1
111 NB NB W3
312 NB NB W2
313 NB NB W1
223 LOSE W3 W3
312 W1 W1 LOSE
322 NB NB W1
332 W1 W1 W1
322 W1 W1 W1
312 W1 W1 W1
333 NB NB W1
220 NB NB LOSE ( Zero not covered )
222 NB NB NB
112 NB NB W3
121 W1 W1 W1
223 W1 W1 W2
212 W1 W1 W1
332 LOSE W3 W3
112 LOSE W3 W3
231 W1 W1 LOSE
213 NB NB W1
122 NB NB LOSE
331 LOSE W3 LOSE
311 W1 W1 W1
112 W1 W1 W2
132 W1 W1 W1
322 NB NB W3
W1 = WON 1ST BET
Progression upto the player whether they play 1,2 ,3 or any combination of the 3 Columns.
Do you prefer Columns over Dozens ?
Can you imagine playin all 3 versions on both :wink:
Twister.
Can we confirm the progression for each of the 3 row's of stats.
Row 1 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27
Row 2 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27
Row 3 1 2 3 Then 2 4 6, if third/forth loser what progression next ?
Upon your confirmation i can update all the Profit/Loss £/UNITS
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 22, 06:39 AM 2012
Twister.
Can we confirm the progression for each of the 3 row's of stats.
Row 1 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 Yes
Row 2 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 Yes
Row 3 1 2 3 Then 2 4 6, if third/forth loser what progression next ? Stay 2 4 6 until even or new high
Upon your confirmation i can update all the Profit/Loss £/UNITS
213
121 -6
202 -18
323 -30
122 -24
133 -36
im right? spins made 10mins ago.
I always treat D/C the same.
Yes i can imagine playing all 3 combinations D/C.
At present there appears to be solid profit by playing Row1 Dozens only.
Bank-Roll,Time and Risk will have to be considered going forward with all this Positive ACTIVITY.
Hi Biagle.
Thanks for having a go !!
213
121 NB NB LOSE
202 W1 W1 LOSE ( Zero not covered )
323 NB NB NB
122 LOSE W2 W2
133 W1 W1 W1
Hope this helps.
Biagle.
Row 1 + 2
Row 2 + 3
Row 3 - 8 ( I would have Zero cover here )
For those joining the Party late, here is a System update
THIS SYSTEM REQUIRES NO TRACKING
SYSTEM UPDATE
As always when a System gets delivered to the Forum it gets morphed and adjusted, mostly for the better
The following is an addition to the 1st System mentioned on Page 1
It was forged by myself and dino246
Ok you write down the results from the Wheel as Dozens in a 3x Grid, like so
223
223
323
etc etc
You are looking to bet when a single line has ONLY 2 Dozens in them, like the ones I've just used as an example
using those examples line one only has Dozens 2 and 3 in it so that is the Double Dozen bet
However you ONLY bet on Spin 1 of each line
You use the usual 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 progression
You can choose to put a minimum chip on Zero
Here follows Real Results from a Live Wheel,
212
313 L
232 L
332 W
322 W
211 W
322 L
222 W
322 NB (line above all dozen 2)
233 W
233 W
221 W
311 L
123 W
331 NB (line above has all 3 dozens in it)
123 W
133 NB
123 W
323 NB
222 W
131 NB
332 W
+12 Units Won
IF any line has just 1 dozen or all 3 dozens in it then the next line is a No Bet
02-12-11 Supercasino Airball COLUMNS.
TWIST 2 COLUMNS 1ST BET.
231
212 NB
133 W
232 L
221 W
222 W
312 NB
111 NB
331 NB
313 W
333 W
232 NB
333 W
313 NB
211 L
221 W
132 W
321 NB
332 NB
233 W
133 L
123 W
131 NB
131 W
222 L
313 NB
323 W
110 L
132 NB
123 NB
133 NB
132 W
133 NB
211 L
132 W
322 NB
221 W
132 W
232 NB
231 W
313 NB
333 W
122 NB
233 W
312 W
311 NB
221 L
331 L
331 W
331 W
122 W
332 L
112 L
212 W
322 L
321 W
320 NB
322 NB
222 W
112 NB
221 W
112 W
222 W
121 NB
332 L
111 L
232 NB
222 W
313 NB
132 W
233 NB
311 W
31 units profit ( Unit = £5 Chip )
116 spins
4 hours (approx )
Say £4 per unit profit after ZERO COVER paid.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 22, 09:33 AM 2012
02-12-11 Supercasino Airball COLUMNS.
TWIST 2 COLUMNS 1ST BET.
231
212 NB
133 W
232 L
221 W
222 W
312 NB
111 NB
331 NB
313 W
333 W
232 NB
333 W
313 NB
211 L
221 W
132 W
321 NB
332 NB
233 W
133 L
123 W
131 NB
131 W
222 L
313 NB
323 W
110 L
132 NB
123 NB
133 NB
132 W
133 NB
211 L
132 W
322 NB
221 W
132 W
232 NB
231 W
313 NB
333 W
122 NB
233 W
312 W
311 NB
221 L
331 L
331 W
331 W
122 W
332 L
112 L
212 W
322 L
321 W
320 NB
322 NB
222 W
112 NB
221 W
112 W
222 W
121 NB
332 L
111 L
232 NB
222 W
313 NB
132 W
233 NB
311 W
31 units profit ( Unit = £5 Chip )
116 spins
4 hours (approx )
Say £4 per unit profit after ZERO COVER paid.
They are FAB results !
45 Bets and only taken to the 3rd step of the progression 3 times (9-9)
been following this with interest, thanks for your work guys.
i'll give it a go shortly, when i get a minute.
good to see you about again paul.
all the best.
cheers.
Good to see Columns CAN be just as STABLE as Dozens in the same session and a BIG session to-boot !!
Perhaps this can banish H+R,time and spins will tell.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 22, 09:47 AM 2012
Good to see Columns CAN be just as STABLE as Dozens in the same session and a BIG session to-boot !!
Perhaps this can banish H+R,time and spins will tell.
Agreed.
As for hit and run, Im in the Bayes camp. The wheel has no idea when ure there and when ure not and you have no idea when you join the game if ure about to join the RFH or have just missed it
I think usin 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 with a small chip on Zero is lookin good !
Results Played on a Live Wheel (Dozens)
322
312 W
212 NB
223 W
211 W
211 W
322 L
222 W
112 NB
311 L
332 W
313 W
331 W
111 L
112 NB
222 L
223 NB
211 W
212 W
333 L
332 NB
312 W
222 NB
131 NB
331 W
221 L
223 W
211 W
111 W
111 NB
122 NB
233 W
332 W
232 W
121 L
211 W
Profit +19units
Smartlive Casino Live Dealer COLUMNS 1ST BET
120
211 NB
112 W
111 W
113 NB
032 W ( zero covered )
123 NB
222 NB
122 NB
231 W
331 NB
122 L
322 L
122 L
213 W
322 NB
033 W ( ZERO COVERED )
033 W ( ZERO COVERED )
311 NB
221 L
112 W
131 W
313 W
331 W
123 W
311 NB
122 W
313 L
112 L
311 L
313 W
232 L
221 W
123 W
322 L
113 L
132 W
323 NB
223 W
323 W
231 W
123 NB
331 NB
131 W
221 L
233 W
213 W
133 NB
331 W
132 W
111 NB
333 NB
321 NB
131 W
213 L
213 NB
231 NB
133 NB
122 W
103 W
222 NB
322 NB
112 L
231 W
222 NB
313 NB
132 W
333 NB
133 NB
213 L
221 NB
133 W
220 L
332 NB
103 L
031 NB
112 NB
331 L
222 L
232 NB
Not a good end to this session.
Maybe sticking with Dozens will prove best ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 22, 08:49 AM 2012
For those joining the Party late, here is a System update
THIS SYSTEM REQUIRES NO TRACKING
SYSTEM UPDATE
As always when a System gets delivered to the Forum it gets morphed and adjusted, mostly for the better
The following is an addition to the 1st System mentioned on Page 1
It was forged by myself and dino246
Ok you write down the results from the Wheel as Dozens in a 3x Grid, like so
223
223
323
etc etc
You are looking to bet when a single line has ONLY 2 Dozens in them, like the ones I've just used as an example
using those examples line one only has Dozens 2 and 3 in it so that is the Double Dozen bet
However you ONLY bet on Spin 1 of each line
You use the usual 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 progression
You can choose to put a minimum chip on Zero
Here follows Real Results from a Live Wheel,
212
313 L
232 L
332 W why a win here as you would have bet on 2 correct?
322 W
211 W
322 L
222 W
322 NB (line above all dozen 2)
233 W
233 W
221 W
311 L
123 W
331 NB (line above has all 3 dozens in it)
123 W
133 NB
123 W
323 NB
222 W
131 NB
332 W
+12 Units Won
IF any line has just 1 dozen or all 3 dozens in it then the next line is a No Bet
Twister I understand the no bet strategy are you betting on the last two dozens shown in the line above.
Many Thanks Koolkat
the line above had 2nd and 3rd dozen in it so the bet was dozen 2 and dozen 3, hence the win
Hi,
Quote
the line above had 2nd and 3rd dozen in it so the bet was dozen 2 and dozen 3, hence the win
Can you please explain the rules
what do you bet if 2nd and 3rd dozen is in
what do you bet if it is 123 or 111 or 222
or....???
Best regards
kawa 4711
Quote from: kawa4711 on Sep 22, 01:57 PM 2012
Hi,Can you please explain the rules
what do you bet if 2nd and 3rd dozen is in
what do you bet if it is 123 or 111 or 222
or.... ???
Best regards
kawa 4711
For those joining the Party late, here is a System update
THIS SYSTEM REQUIRES NO TRACKINGSYSTEM UPDATEAs always when a System gets delivered to the Forum it gets morphed and adjusted, mostly for the better
The following is an addition to the 1st System mentioned on Page 1
It was forged by myself and dino246
Ok you write down the results from the Wheel as Dozens in a 3x Grid, like so
223
223
323
etc etc
You are looking to bet when a single line has ONLY 2 Dozens in them, like the ones I've just used as an example
using those examples line one only has Dozens 2 and 3 in it so that is the Double Dozen bet
However you ONLY bet on Spin 1 of each line
You use the usual 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 progression
You can choose to put a minimum chip on Zero
Here follows Real Results from a Live Wheel,
212
313 L
232 L
332 W
322 W
211 W
322 L
222 W
322 NB (line above all dozen 2)
233 W
233 W
221 W
311 L
123 W
331 NB (line above has all 3 dozens in it)
123 W
133 NB
123 W
323 NB
222 W
131 NB
332 W
+12 Units Won
IF any line has just 1 dozen or all 3 dozens in it then the
next line is a No Bet
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 22, 01:23 PM 2012
the line above had 2nd and 3rd dozen in it so the bet was dozen 2 and dozen 3, hence the win
Twister thank you for the fast response, I thought that was the case however I was kind of stumpted as I thought we were using the progression of 1.1 3.3 9.9 on the same line as below.
211 W
322 L Why a loss surely we would have bet Dozens 2/1
Cheers Koolkat
@Twisteruk
thank you for clearing it for me.
Best regards
kawa4711
Quote from: KoolKat on Sep 22, 02:14 PM 2012
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 22, 01:23 PM 2012
the line above had 2nd and 3rd dozen in it so the bet was dozen 2 and dozen 3, hence the win
Twister thank you for the fast response, I thought that was the case however I was kind of stumpted as I thought we were using the progression of 1.1 3.3 9.9 on the same line as below.
211 W
322 L Why a loss surely we would have bet Dozens 2/1
Cheers Koolkat
We only bet Spin 1 of each line, hence the loss on that line
Great to read other members thoughts within this Topic.
All the ideas around this way of playing are here to stay.
I am certain Twister and myself will strive to IMPROVE further as new thinking develops.
WATCH THIS SPACE..........you SILENT majority !!
@Twisteruk, @ all
An idea for the progression ( not as steep as the sugested progression : 1-1- 3-3- 9-9 27-27)
2 up on a loss 1 down on a win:
loss: 1-1 3-3 5-5 7-7 9-9 then
win don to 8-8
win again 7-7
after a loss 2 up to 9-9
etc.
Only an idea, which must be tested....
With best regards kawa 4711
Quote from: kawa4711 on Sep 22, 03:57 PM 2012
@Twisteruk, @ all
An idea for the progression ( not as steep as the sugested progression : 1-1- 3-3- 9-9 27-27)
2 up on a loss 1 down on a win:
loss: 1-1 3-3 5-5 7-7 9-9 then
win don to 8-8
win again 7-7
after a loss 2 up to 9-9
etc.
Only an idea, which must be tested....
With best regards kawa 4711
It's not only idea...it is only way betting on 2 dozens or columns.
Sorry....if it could go wrong it did. 2 up 1 down. Highest 9-9
[attachimg=1]
and I stopped
mabe I was doing it wrong....but the next bet (11-11) lost too
I cut the first 63 out of the speilbank actuals in RX
4
26
22
2
15
17
35
16
2
28
7
29
15
18
24
23
34
6
1
20
31
7
26
31
30
5
14
35
6
17
1
35
8
23
29
9
11
1
14
30
6
12
35
24
0
30
28
19
30
36
19
34
26
35
29
18
13
1
The progressions on two doz or all 2/3 should never be double three times, I can not see the
way of recover a bad streak. Even flat betting is better.
I use to play just one doz, and if I do two I do not play them together. Use one up on loss and
two down on win, on each doz.
I seldom have any successful sessions on two doz, break even, small up or down.
taken from dublinbet actuals:
131
212 L
113 W
131 W
223 L
231 W
212 NB
312 L
123 NB
211 NB
223 W
221 W
232 W
121 L
222 W
121 NB
111 W
321 NB
202 NB
122 NB
331 L
103 W
132 NB
131 NB
213 L
231 NB
122 NB
133 W
322 W
133 L
331 W
021 L
303 NB
321 NB
112 NB
321 L
121 NB
113 W
333 W
14pts profit.
perhaps we need to look at a different progression for this.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 22, 05:25 PM 2012
taken from dublinbet actuals:
131
212 L
113 W
131 W
223 L
231 W
212 NB
312 L
123 NB
211 NB
223 W
221 W
232 W
121 L
222 W
121 NB
111 W
321 NB
202 NB
122 NB
331 L
103 W
132 NB
131 NB
213 L
231 NB
122 NB
133 W
322 W
133 L
331 W
021 L
303 NB
321 NB
112 NB
321 L
121 NB
113 W
333 W
14pts profit.
perhaps we need to look at a different progression for this.
Why ? Thats a perfect session !
yes paul, i added that to my post after reading the post above (without looking at his numbers).
we'll keep testing and see how it pans out.
cheers.
another session, with spins that i sat through from dublinbet:
131
323 W
212 W
311 L
122 W
133 W
212 L
223 W
113 L
112 W
121 W
333 L
231 NB
322 NB
322 W
223 W
113 L
221 L
322 L
333 W
233 NB
222 W
232 NB
321 W
131 NB
221 L
331 L
311 W
332 W
212 W
122 W
310 L
another 14pts there. in a live situation, you'd probably not end the session on a loss, but this is where my session ended.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 22, 04:54 PM 2012
Sorry....if it could go wrong it did. 2 up 1 down. Highest 9-9
[attachimg=1]
and I stopped
mabe I was doing it wrong....but the next bet (11-11) lost too
I cut the first 63 out of the speilbank actuals in RX
4
26
22
2
15
17
35
16
2
28
7
29
15
18
24
23
34
6
1
20
31
7
26
31
30
5
14
35
6
17
1
35
8
23
29
9
11
1
14
30
6
12
35
24
0
30
28
19
30
36
19
34
26
35
29
18
13
1
Im not sure what happened here, I crunched ure numbers and got this result
132
122 NB
321 L
313 NB
222 L
231 NB
123 NB
133 NB
312 W
312 NB
131 NB
231 L
112 NB
311 L
320 W
332 NB
332 W
333 W
322 NB
1
Profit +4units
I'm not sure what happened here
you forgot to factor in that I'm thick. :thumbsup:
I'm really pleased i am...cos the bets still on.
Ill go to my room and think about what I've done........
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 22, 06:11 PM 2012
I'm not sure what happened here
you forgot to factor in that I'm thick. :thumbsup:
I'm really pleased i am...cos the bets still on.
Ill go to my room and think about what I've done........
lol no worries turnerfeck
Here is the System, maybe you could explain where you went 'Off Piste' ?
For those joining the Party late, here is a System update
THIS SYSTEM REQUIRES NO TRACKINGSYSTEM UPDATEAs always when a System gets delivered to the Forum it gets morphed and adjusted, mostly for the better
The following is an addition to the 1st System mentioned on Page 1
It was forged by myself and dino246
Ok you write down the results from the Wheel as Dozens in a 3x Grid, like so
223
223
323
etc etc
You are looking to bet when a single line has ONLY 2 Dozens in them, like the ones I've just used as an example
using those examples line one only has Dozens 2 and 3 in it so that is the Double Dozen bet
However you ONLY bet on Spin 1 of each line
You use the usual 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 progression
You can choose to put a minimum chip on Zero
Here follows Real Results from a Live Wheel,
212
313 L
232 L
332 W
322 W
211 W
322 L
222 W
322 NB (line above all dozen 2)
233 W
233 W
221 W
311 L
123 W
331 NB (line above has all 3 dozens in it)
123 W
133 NB
123 W
323 NB
222 W
131 NB
332 W
+12 Units Won
IF any line has just 1 dozen or all 3 dozens in it then the
next line is a No Bet
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 22, 05:49 PM 2012
another session, with spins that i sat through from dublinbet:
131
323 W
212 W
311 L
122 W
133 W
212 L
223 W
113 L
112 W
121 W
333 L
231 NB
322 NB
322 W
223 W
113 L
221 L
322 L
333 W
233 NB
222 W
232 NB
321 W
131 NB
221 L
331 L
311 W
332 W
212 W
122 W
310 L
another 14pts there. in a live situation, you'd probably not end the session on a loss, but this is where my session ended.
No problemo ! We know how it works when ure just testin, great results and appreciate ure input :thumbsup:
OK Im done for the night
Any questions just ask, and test test test :thumbsup:
So what's the reasoning behind not betting if there was 3 dozens in one line (231) and why now only bet the first one? Just curious
Quote from: wento on Sep 22, 07:19 PM 2012
So what's the reasoning behind not betting if there was 3 dozens in one line (231) and why now only bet the first one? Just curious
simple really, all 3 dozens means that there is no dominance at that moment in time but when there is we bet for 1 spin that it continues
And if there were 3 then it was to dominant and we don't bet? I was playing around last night with the original way I liked it seemed to do well just need a good progression
Just returned from B+M casino AUTOWHEEL DOZENS
322
232 W
232 W
312 W
232 NB
321 W
123 NB
332 NB
211 W
333 L
131 NB
111 W
110 NB
121 NB
322 L
211 W
323 L
232 W
210 W
221 W
132 W
212 NB
331 L
332 W
233 W
212 W
202 W
333 NB
231 NB
131 NB
123 W
332 NB
222 W
333 NB
331 NB
322 W
332 W
332 W
231 W
212 NB
312 L
112 NB
322 L
312 W
320 NB
22 UNIT PROFIT
Same session as above B+M casino AUTOWHEEL COLUMNS
233
223 W
331 W
321 W
312 NB
132 NB
223 NB
311 W
121 W
111 W
121 NB
321 L
320 NB
231 NB
133 NB
211 L
122 W
231 W
130 NB
112 NB
113 W
113 W
312 W
231 NB
231 NB
322 NB
223 NB
203 W
313 NB
122 W
131 W
111 W
112 NB
133 W
221 L
213 W
322 NB
213 W
233 NB
122 L
322 L
231 W
323 NB
113 L
321 W
110 NB
20 UNIT PROFIT ( COLUMNS )
Interesting to observe FLAT BETTING the above Dozens + 7, Columns + 8.( Reply # 148/149 )
Will do this exercise for all the other sessions so far within this topic.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 23, 04:48 AM 2012
Interesting to observe FLAT BETTING the above Dozens + 7, Columns + 8.( Reply # 148/149 )
Will do this exercise for all the other sessions so far within this topic.
Very well done dino !
I look forward to ure results :thumbsup:
Quote from: wento on Sep 22, 11:25 PM 2012
And if there were 3 then it was to dominant and we don't bet? I was playing around last night with the original way I liked it seemed to do well just need a good progression
Yes you can play a trip to become a quad
The original way is still the same, we are just testin this DD System and so far the results on Dozens are looking very good :thumbsup:
Flat betting all 2 Dozen 1st bet to date within this topic + 22 UNIT profit ( Column stats included )
I don't think i'll repeat the exercise,but it did answer a question !!!!
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 23, 05:35 AM 2012
Flat betting all 2 Dozen 1st bet to date within this topic + 22 UNIT profit ( Column stats included )
I don't think i'll repeat the exercise,but it did answer a question !!!!
Flat betting 2 Dozens, now that is something new :thumbsup:
another session with dublinbet actuals. a good long session too. sessions like this give you confidence in a method.
313
131 W
311 W
233 L
132 L
313 NB
211 L
131 W
113 W
212 L
211 W
232 W
133 L
301 W
313 NB
111 W
323 NB
121 L
223 W
122 L
212 W
113 W
131 W
222 L
311 NB
112 W
331 L
213 L
321 NB
220 NB
132 NB
220 NB
321 NB
313 NB
211 L
123 W
113 NB
222 L
212 NB
121 W
112 W
330 L
321 NB
312 NB
222 NB
232 NB
322 W
313 W
232 L
333 W
112 NB
132 W
223 NB
112 L
323 L
132 L
221 NB
122 W
321 L
111 NB
312 NB
231 NB
131 NB
111 W
132 NB
302 NB
133 NB
122 W
111 W
332 NB
122 L
112 W
113 W
111 W
well over 200 spins, 27pts profit, not a bad days work!
flat betting wouldn't have produced a profit though.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 23, 10:40 AM 2012
another session with dublinbet actuals. a good long session too. sessions like this give you confidence in a method.
313
131 W
311 W
233 L
132 L
313 NB
211 L
131 W
113 W
212 L
211 W
232 W
133 L
301 W
313 NB
111 W
323 NB
121 L
223 W
122 L
212 W
113 W
131 W
222 L
311 NB
112 W
331 L
213 L
321 NB
220 NB
132 NB
220 NB
321 NB
313 NB
211 L
123 W
113 NB
222 L
212 NB
121 W
112 W
330 L
321 NB
312 NB
222 NB
232 NB
322 W
313 W
232 L
333 W
112 NB
132 W
223 NB
112 L
323 L
132 L
221 NB
122 W
321 L
111 NB
312 NB
231 NB
131 NB
111 W
132 NB
302 NB
133 NB
122 W
111 W
332 NB
122 L
112 W
113 W
111 W
well over 200 spins, 27pts profit, not a bad days work!
flat betting wouldn't have produced a profit though.
Impressive testing, nicely done :thumbsup:
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 23, 10:40 AM 2012
another session with dublinbet actuals. a good long session too. sessions like this give you confidence in a method.
313
131 W
311 W
233 L
132 L
313 NB
211 L
131 W
113 W
212 L
211 W
232 W
133 L
301 W
313 NB
111 W
323 NB
121 L
223 W
122 L
212 W
113 W
131 W
222 L
311 NB
112 W
331 L
213 L
321 NB
220 NB
132 NB
220 NB
321 NB
313 NB
211 L
123 W
113 NB
222 L
212 NB
121 W
112 W
330 L
321 NB
312 NB
222 NB
232 NB
322 W
313 W
232 L
333 W
112 NB
132 W
223 NB
112 L
323 L
132 L
221 NB
122 W
321 L
111 NB
312 NB
231 NB
131 NB
111 W
132 NB
302 NB
133 NB
122 W
111 W
332 NB
122 L
112 W
113 W
111 W
well over 200 spins, 27pts profit, not a bad days work!
flat betting wouldn't have produced a profit though.
After looking at number of the sessions I have noticed on 80% of the time if we used progression on the losing lines we would have won? Anyone else noticed this? Koolkat
Yes. But it those 20% losses that will kill you
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 23, 01:56 PM 2012
Yes. But it those 20% losses that will kill you
Thanks Twister i will try not to be clever next time :twisted: I gotcha By the way do you play Skybet Online? Cheers
Quote from: KoolKat on Sep 23, 02:01 PM 2012
Thanks Twister i will try not to be clever next time :twisted: I gotcha By the way do you play Skybet Online? Cheers
Its fine. This is how all us learn. We all learn somethin new each day :thumbsup:
No I dont play there, I only play at Paddypower
KoolKat,that's very interesting regarding each loser.
Having checked the session Reply157,i noticed AFTER EVERY loser that qualified as a Twist 2 Dozen bet,wait for it.............100% Hit Rate.
Will re-visit previous sessions ( again ! ) to confirm stats.
Many Thanks for your EFFORT within this Topic to date.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 23, 03:16 PM 2012
KoolKat,that's very interesting regarding each loser.
Having checked the session Reply157,i noticed AFTER EVERY loser that qualified as a Twist 2 Dozen bet,wait for it.............100% Hit Rate.
Will re-visit previous sessions ( again ! ) to confirm stats.
Many Thanks for your EFFORT within this Topic to date.
Maybe you can clarifie this dino
Are you sayin if we had a VL then played its 100% strike rate ?
another one with dublinbet actuals.
312
132 NB
231 NB
132 NB
221 NB
233 W
332 W
233 W
312 W
312 NB
123 NB
222 NB
232 NB
133 L
321 W
333 NB
121 NB
211 W
223 W
312 W
313 NB
111 W
221 NB
213 W
131 NB
232 L
121 L
133 W
311 W
332 W
221 W
311 L
333 W
123 NB
223 NB
303 W
311 NB
122 W
332 L
133 L
321 W
213 NB
121 NB
112 W
111 W
311 NB
112 W
213 W
202 NB
332 NB
311 W
213 L
113 NB
313 W
312 W
131 NB
221 L
331 L
211 L
231 W
123 NB
111 NB
331 NB
221 L
213 W
27pts profit
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 23, 03:31 PM 2012
another one with dublinbet actuals.
312
132 NB
231 NB
132 NB
221 NB
233 W
332 W
233 W
312 W
312 NB
123 NB
222 NB
232 NB
133 L
321 W
333 NB
121 NB
211 W
223 W
312 W
313 NB
111 W
221 NB
213 W
131 NB
232 L
121 L
133 W
311 W
332 W
221 W
311 L
333 W
123 NB
223 NB
303 W
311 NB
122 W
332 L
133 L
321 W
213 NB
121 NB
112 W
111 W
311 NB
112 W
213 W
202 NB
332 NB
311 W
213 L
113 NB
313 W
312 W
131 NB
221 L
331 L
211 L
231 W
123 NB
111 NB
331 NB
221 L
213 W
27pts profit
Mate ure on fire with ure testing !!
Nice one for all the effort ure puttin in, much appreciated :thumbsup:
no probs paul, many hands and all that.
i have a lot of dublinbet spins printed off that i can use.
i'd be interested in dino expanding his latest idea
cheers.
Twister.......VL ?
Virtual Loss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
last one for today. a bit trickier this one. we had a 5 time loser.
132
222 NB
313 NB
113 W
313 W
021 L
232 NB
013 L
111 NB
232 NB
112 L
122 W
113 W
222 L
323 NB
233 W
222 W
213 NB
132 NB
121 NB
312 L
332 NB
122 L
322 L
322 W
112 L
121 W
221 W
233 W
312 W
132 NB
123 NB
133 NB
112 W
113 W
331 W
233 L
231 W
212 NB
222 W
113 NB
111 W
233 NB
223 W
212 W
132 W
323 NB
233 W
221 W
332 L
111 L
211 NB
312 L
212 NB
322 L
123 L
322 NB
333 W
313 NB
321 W
313 NB
321 W
313 NB
320 W
132 NB
332 NB
311 W
112 W
231 W
332 NB
323 W
131 L
203 L
222 NB
222 NB
321 NB
332 NB
321 W
Offfffffttttttt that stings !
Mega Ouch !
Well without testing we dont know
Lets wait for dino to explain this 100% strike rate
Yes VL is you wait for a loser (Virtual Loss)
Session played last night B+M Casino .
TWIST 2 DOZEN 1ST BET .
On every loser that qualifies i will enter the result on the line of the next 3 spins using the TWIST 2 DOZEN 3 BET concept as shown in examples within this topic.
Dozens only.
112
132 W1
322 NB
121 L
122 W1 W1
313 L
123 W1 W1
112 NB
121 W1
332 L
333 W1 W1
113 NB
322 W1
123 L
321 NB
313 NB
210 L W2
232 NB
121 L
122 W1 W2
331 L
131 W1 W1
122 W1
221 W1
032 W1 ( ZERO COVERED )
330 NB
331 NB
221 L
322 L W2
211 W1 W1
223 W1
113 L
231 L W2
WI= WON IST BET
Reason for this exercise was to retrieve the loss on Row 1.
I have re-visited 19 sessions within this topic,stats as follows.
BETS 145
DNQ 38 (NB)
WON 103
LOST 4
SESSION WITH NO TWIST 3 BET LOSER 15
SESSION WITH 1 ONLY 3 BET LOSER 4
Welcome any questions !!
continuation of last night's above session
231
131 NB
221 L
223 W1 W1 ( BET 1/2 )
132 L
223 NB DNQ
330 W1
132 NB
311 NB
223 L
212 W1 W1 ( BET 2/3 )
221 W1
233 W1
112 L
313 L W2 ( BET 1/2 )
233 L W2 ( BET 1/3 )
233 W1 W1 ( BET 2/3 )
211 W1
313 L
312 W1 W1 ( BET 1/3 )
122 NB
233 L
313 W1 W1 ( BET 2/3 )
123 W1
213 NB
132 NB
212 NB
Because i still believe in COLUMNS,here are the following results for the above session.
311
212 L
322 L W2 (1/2)
131 L W2 (2/3)
111 W1 W1 (1/3)
332 NB
131 L
322 W1 W1 (1/3)
122 L W2 (2/3)
122 W1
333 L
213 NB DNQ
212 NB
112 W1
331 L
211 L W2 (1/3)
120 W1
131 NB
112 W1
133 W1
232 L
232 W1 W1(2/3)
232 W1
113 L
013 W ( ZERO COVERED )
230 NB
313 NB
211 L
133 W1 W1(1/2)
323 W1
333 W1
321 NB
232 NB
132 L
223 NB DNQ
332 W1
212 W1
232 W1
120 L
111 NB DNQ
222 NB
322 NB
112 L
311 L W2(1/2)
212 L W2(1/3)
222 W1 W1(1/2)
323 NB
222 W1
122 NB
222 W1
231 NB
131 NB
111 W1
311 NB
231 L
131 NB DNQ
312 W1
121 NB
321 L
220 NB DNQ
As can be seen the Strike-Rate of TWIST 2 DOZEN 3 BET is high in the exteme .
This example was of course COLUMNS.....to be continued.
Stats from those 19 sessions regarding at what bet in the 3 step progression it won.
W1 73 STEP 1
W2 20 STEP 2
W3 10 STEP 3
LOSE 4
Hello Dino!
What progression do you use?
If 1, 3, 9. You 27x4=108 lost
Cheers.
dino I see what you are doin, but let me check
On a loss ure playing the 2nd and 3rd numbers ?
When you have a loser in Row 1 the idea is to play the next line down until win on that line.
Example.
311
212 L NOW BET 1/2 ON NEXT LINE DOWN (322)= WIN 2ND BET
322 L NOW BET 2/3 ON NEXT LINE DOWN (131)= WIN 2ND BET
131 L NOW BET 1/3 ON NEXT LINE DOWN (111)= WIN 1ST BET
111 NB
Hope this all helps Twister
Correct donik......but i'm looking at maybe a different prog'
just ran through a couple of my sessions, not going to next line of 3 after a loss on the first dozen, but carrying on the same line.
apart from 111 and 222 the results were excellent.
perhaps we need another, less aggressive progression.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 24, 10:40 AM 2012
just ran through a couple of my sessions, not going to next line of 3 after a loss on the first dozen, but carrying on the same line.
apart from 111 and 222 the results were excellent.
perhaps we need another, less aggressive progression.
My 1st feelin was that might be a better choice, and tbh thats what I thought dino was doin :thumbsup:
yes, i read it like that, but i thought dino was taking the loss on the first line before betting all the dozens on the next line, if the losing line qualified as a bet.
i think we're getting close here, just need to work on a more gentle progression.
I think both have merit.
All the stats to date are as ewarwoowar states in his latest Post.
Will investigate carrying on the same line and compare stats.
Still trying to figure out a different progression.
Ok,a radicle way of retrieving EVERY loss that QUALIFIES from ROW 1 start betting to recover that loss from ROW 2,when recovered or new high STOP betting ROW 2.
In the meantime continue to play ROW 1 for WINNERS ONLY and when there's a loss recover it playing ROW 2,which the stats show us has a VERY high Strike-Rate.
NO losers recovered from ROW 1.
Will hopefully show an example in game-play when MY brain has RECOVERED !!!!
Nice work Dino 246 Cheers Koolkat
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 24, 10:40 AM 2012
just ran through a couple of my sessions, not going to next line of 3 after a loss on the first dozen, but carrying on the same line.
apart from 111 and 222 the results were excellent.
perhaps we need another, less aggressive progression.
ewarwoowar, not sure I understand are you saying the same as me in post number 158? Thanks Koolkat
KoolKat.
Many Thanks.
Will hopefully show example of what i mean tomorrow after mulling it over some more tonight.
It was of course you that started this latest train of thought after a loser in ROW 1.
Regards,
Dino.
koolkat, it looks like i am saying exactly that! sorry i wasn't stealing your idea, well not intentionally anyway!
although i think the win ratio is way over 80%.
this is a good selection method, we just need a safer progression. perhaps not look for profit after the 2nd doz, just look to keep the game alive.
cheers.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 24, 03:18 PM 2012
koolkat, it looks like i am saying exactly that! sorry i wasn't stealing your idea, well not intentionally anyway!
although i think the win ratio is way over 80%.
this is a good selection method, we just need a safer progression. perhaps not look for profit after the 2nd doz, just look to keep the game alive.
cheers.
No worries, I agree a safer progression is needed. Cheers K
Its great everyone workin together !
We will get there :thumbsup:
Dino If you will be bet on any 2 dozen results be same in long term. Like code 4 or D&G. :thumbsup:
Hi donik.
As we all know,at some point in a session we have to recover a loss with a progression.
What i'm trying to do is divert that progression from Row1 DOWN THE CHANNEL of Row2(where the Hit-Rate is far superier than Row1).
Mind you the Hit-Rate of Row1 is pretty good anyway.
Also if we all want to be GREEDY we can take 2 PROFITS after each QUALIFYING loser from BOTH Row1 and Row2 as shown in Reply#170 Page 12
At present my INSTINCT says if we recover with a progression within Row1 then Hit-Run-win style may be best.
Or utilising both Row1 and Row2 the perhaps a continuous style would work going forward.
To be continued.........
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 17, 01:42 PM 2012
Ok here is a little fun Method that wins and amazes me with its strike rate
I've only paperbet this on Paddypower Slingshot (60 spins an hour) but I'm up over 60 Units
You can use your preffered progression
Write down the last 15 numbers as Dozens in a 3x Grid like so,
123
xxx
xxx
xxx
xxx
etc etc
You then bet for a single repeat from the line above, here is an example
133
323 Hit 3rd bet
222 Hit 2nd bet
112 Hit 3rd bet
The most lines I've seen hit in a row is 8 and the most for losses is 2 lines, so far the 3rd line has always hit but I accept it can and will lose at some point
I only play for 1 hit per line but you can get 2 hits often and 3 does happen also, but I'm happy with 1 hit.
Enjoy !
Anyone usin the Original System ??
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 23, 03:31 PM 2012
another one with dublinbet actuals.
312
132 NB
231 NB
132 NB
221 NB
233 W
332 W
233 W
312 W
312 NB
123 NB
222 NB
232 NB
133 L
321 W
333 NB
121 NB
211 W
223 W
312 W
313 NB
111 W
221 NB
213 W
131 NB
232 L
121 L
133 W
311 W
332 W
221 W
311 L
333 W
123 NB
223 NB
303 W
311 NB
122 W
332 L
133 L
321 W
213 NB
121 NB
112 W
111 W
311 NB
112 W
213 W
202 NB
332 NB
311 W
213 L
113 NB
313 W
312 W
131 NB
221 L
331 L
211 L
231 W
123 NB
111 NB
331 NB
221 L
213 W
27pts profit
Ok, I don't mean to hijack this method, but I was just inspired by how everyone is putting in some grey matter....so I tried something with good results.
The above was ewarwoowar's numbers he played... so I tried my method next to his numbers and here are my results...
On the left the original....on the right mine
312
132 NB W1
231 NB W1
132 NB
221 NB W1
233 W W2
332 W
233 W W1
312 W W2
312 NB
123 NB W1
222 NB W1
232 NB
133 L W1
321 W W1
333 NB
121 NB W1
211 W W1
223 W
312 W W1
313 NB W3
111 W
221 NB W1
213 W W1
131 NB
232 L W1
121 L W2
133 W
311 W W1
332 W W1
221 W
311 L W1
333 W W1
123 NB
223 NB W1
303 W W1
311 NB
122 W W1
332 L W2
133 L
321 W W1
213 NB W1
121 NB
112 W W2
111 W W2
311 NB
112 W W1
213 W W1
202 NB
332 NB W1
311 W W1
213 L
113 NB W1
313 W W1
312 W
131 NB W1
221 L W1
331 L
211 L W1
231 W W1
123 NB
111 NB W2
331 NB W1
221 L
213 W W2
My results - NO LOSSES! 43 Wins vs. 27 if I counted correctly. :thumbsup:
Where I do see possible bad runs - when you have for example 111,222,333 as qualifiers....See if you can figure out what I did! I'll explain later!
Regards,
M
OMG...played paddy power tonight and noticed the 3rd dozen hadn't hit for 18 spins so started a marty...got shafted and lost £40 odd quid on it....the 3rd dozen didn't hit for 44 spins! I tracked it even though I wasn't playing it, holy shit :sad2:
Quote
Anyone using the Original System ??
I tried allot but it tanks to much.....
maybe you could have a look at the file from Wiesbaden I played.
Thanks
Ray
Quote from: subby on Sep 26, 07:29 PM 2012
OMG...played paddy power tonight and noticed the 3rd dozen hadn't hit for 18 spins so started a marty...got shafted and lost £40 odd quid on it....the 3rd dozen didn't hit for 44 spins! I tracked it even though I wasn't playing it, holy thing :sad2:
Thats a lesson we have all learned the hard way subby
Quote from: Maui13 on Sep 26, 04:29 PM 2012
Ok, I don't mean to hijack this method, but I was just inspired by how everyone is putting in some grey matter....so I tried something with good results.
The above was ewarwoowar's numbers he played... so I tried my method next to his numbers and here are my results...
On the left the original....on the right mine
312
132 NB W1
231 NB W1
132 NB
221 NB W1
233 W W2
332 W
233 W W1
312 W W2
312 NB
123 NB W1
222 NB W1
232 NB
133 L W1
321 W W1
333 NB
121 NB W1
211 W W1
223 W
312 W W1
313 NB W3
111 W
221 NB W1
213 W W1
131 NB
232 L W1
121 L W2
133 W
311 W W1
332 W W1
221 W
311 L W1
333 W W1
123 NB
223 NB W1
303 W W1
311 NB
122 W W1
332 L W2
133 L
321 W W1
213 NB W1
121 NB
112 W W2
111 W W2
311 NB
112 W W1
213 W W1
202 NB
332 NB W1
311 W W1
213 L
113 NB W1
313 W W1
312 W
131 NB W1
221 L W1
331 L
211 L W1
231 W W1
123 NB
111 NB W2
331 NB W1
221 L
213 W W2
My results - NO LOSSES! 43 Wins vs. 27 if I counted correctly. :thumbsup: Where I do see possible bad runs - when you have for example 111,222,333 as qualifiers....
See if you can figure out what I did! I'll explain later!
Regards,
M
I will just wait for you to explain it, keep it simple lol :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 27, 03:52 AM 2012
that's a lesson we have all learned the hard way subby
yes, me too:) dont bet against, bet for!
Seeing that you begged me, stalked me and spam mailed me....here it is :twisted: :xd: just kidding.
The 312 becomes my line to bet against.
Here it is
312 - 1st line
132 - Bet against 3 - Win on 1st
231 - Bet against 3 - Win on 1st
132 - New line
221 - Bet against 1 - Win on 1st
233 - Bet againdt 1 - Win on 1st
xxx - New line
In my testing (1000 numbers Random.org) I found to skip lines with 111,222,333 as your numbers to bet against. A dozen can run for a while so stay away!
I then also found that if you cover ZERO with 1 unit for every 1st spin of the - that it give more back than what it takes. Don't use lines in them with zero. Example
2 1 2 - New line
1 2 1 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st
1 0 3 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st - Ignore the zero, as we won on the 1st.
2 3 1 - New line
3 3 0 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st
0 3 2 - Bet against 2 - ZERO (if it was covered - score) bet against 3, bet against 1 - Win on 3rd
3 3 2 - New line
Another Example
2 3 1 - New Line
2 2 1 - Bet against 2, Win on 2
3 2 1 - Bet against 2, Win on 1
1 1 1 - SKIP THIS LINE (111,222,333!!!)
0 2 1 - Bet 1st bet only for zero - hit BUT skip line
2 2 3 - NEW LINE
2 2 2 - Bet against 2, Win on 3
2 1 3 - Bet against 2, Win on 2
Hope this makes sense?
I'm still messing about with progressions. I've been playing with the normal 1,3,9 I've also played with 1,2,3 and then chanse it with 4,5,6
BUT - No progression guru...so not too sure how one can make use of high strikerate on the 1st bets.
Anyway, my take!
Regards,
M
PS @ Subby - as long as you have a dozen hitting - you'll be skipping the lines 111,222,333 - so you won't run into the issue you had at Paddy Power :thumbsup:
Quote from: Maui13 on Sep 27, 05:44 AM 2012
Seeing that you begged me, stalked me and spam mailed me....here it is :twisted: :xd: just kidding.
The 312 becomes my line to bet against.
Here it is
Just a couple of questions buddy
312 - 1st line
132 - Bet against 3 - Win on 1st
231 - Bet against 3 - Win on 1st Why against 3 ?
132 - New line Why ?
221 - Bet against 1 - Win on 1st
233 - Bet againdt 1 - Win on 1st
xxx - New line
In my testing (1000 numbers Random.org) I found to skip lines with 111,222,333 as your numbers to bet against. A dozen can run for a while so stay away! Totally agree !
I then also found that if you cover ZERO with 1 unit for every 1st spin of the - that it give more back than what it takes. Don't use lines in them with zero. Example Agreed !
2 1 2 - New line
1 2 1 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st
1 0 3 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st - Ignore the zero, as we won on the 1st.
2 3 1 - New line
3 3 0 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st
0 3 2 - Bet against 2 - ZERO (if it was covered - score) bet against 3, bet against 1 - Win on 3rd
3 3 2 - New line
Another Example
2 3 1 - New Line
2 2 1 - Bet against 2, Win on 2 Win on 2 ? But 2 is a 2
3 2 1 - Bet against 2, Win on 1
1 1 1 - SKIP THIS LINE (111,222,333!!!)
0 2 1 - Bet 1st bet only for zero - hit BUT skip line
2 2 3 - NEW LINE
2 2 2 - Bet against 2, Win on 3
2 1 3 - Bet against 2, Win on 2
Hope this makes sense? some of it lol
I'm still messing about with progressions. I've been playing with the normal 1,3,9 I've also played with 1,2,3 and then chanse it with 4,5,6
BUT - No progression guru...so not too sure how one can make use of high strikerate on the 1st bets.
Anyway, my take! nice one ! thanx for sharin :thumbsup:
Regards,
M
PS @ Subby - as long as you have a dozen hitting - you'll be skipping the lines 111,222,333 - so you won't run into the issue you had at Paddy Power :thumbsup:
Hi Maui.
Like YOUR twist on Twisters concept.
Is the following correct ?
333(skip line NB = 333,222,111)
332(NEW TRIGGER)
222 W1 2DZ
131(NEW TRIGGER)
133 W3 3DZ
223 W1 2DZ
223(NEW TRIGGER)
333 WI 3DZ( skip line)
222(skip line NB)
113(NEW TRIGGER)
231 W2 3DZ
121 W1 1DZ
312(NEW TRIGGER)
322 W2 2DZ
231 W1 2DZ
311(NEW TRIGGER)
123 W1 1DZ
233 W1 2DZ
213(NEW TRIGGER)
313 W1 3DZ
233 W1 2DZ
132(NEW TRIGGER)
132 LOSER
322 W1 3DZ
222(skip line NB)
333(skip line NB)
221(NEW TRIGGER)
120 W1 1DZ
211(NEW TRIGGER)
313 W1 3DZ
312 W3 2DZ
212(NEW TRIGGER)
122 W1 1DZ
313 W1 3DZ
Hope so !!!!
Can someone explain the Trigger and when to change lines ??
I assume after 2 qualifying games.
We only change lines when 111,222,333, or ZERO.....i believe.
Quote from: Maui13 on Sep 27, 05:44 AM 2012
Seeing that you begged me, stalked me and spam mailed me....here it is :twisted: :xd: just kidding.
The 312 becomes my line to bet against.
Here it is
312 - 1st line
132 - Bet against 3 - Win on 1st
231 - Bet against 3 - Win on 1st
132 - New line
221 - Bet against 1 - Win on 1st
233 - Bet againdt 1 - Win on 1st
xxx - New line
In my testing (1000 numbers Random.org) I found to skip lines with 111,222,333 as your numbers to bet against. A dozen can run for a while so stay away!
I then also found that if you cover ZERO with 1 unit for every 1st spin of the - that it give more back than what it takes. Don't use lines in them with zero. Example
2 1 2 - New line
1 2 1 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st
1 0 3 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st - Ignore the zero, as we won on the 1st.
2 3 1 - New line
3 3 0 - Bet against 2 - Win on 1st
0 3 2 - Bet against 2 - ZERO (if it was covered - score) bet against 3, bet against 1 - Win on 3rd
3 3 2 - New line
Another Example
2 3 1 - New Line
2 2 1 - Bet against 2, Win on 2
3 2 1 - Bet against 2, Win on 1
1 1 1 - SKIP THIS LINE (111,222,333!!!)
0 2 1 - Bet 1st bet only for zero - hit BUT skip line
2 2 3 - NEW LINE
2 2 2 - Bet against 2, Win on 3
2 1 3 - Bet against 2, Win on 2######
Hope this makes sense?
I'm still messing about with progressions. I've been playing with the normal 1,3,9 I've also played with 1,2,3 and then chanse it with 4,5,6
BUT - No progression guru...so not too sure how one can make use of high strikerate on the 1st bets.
Anyway, my take!
Regards,
M
PS @ Subby - as long as you have a dozen hitting - you'll be skipping the lines 111,222,333 - so you won't run into the issue you had at Paddy Power :thumbsup:
Maui.....just to prove i do read everything....shouldnt the line i marked ######## be a rest because of 222
Turner
Twister might approve of this idea on that same session in Reply 200.
Play to MATCH the dozen.
333
332 T
222 W3
131 T
133 W1
223 W3
223 T
333 W3
222 NB
113 T
231 L
121 W3
312 T
322 W1
231 L
311 T
123 L
233 W3
213 T
313 W2
233 W3
132 T
132 W1
322 W3
222 T
333 NB
221 T
120 W2
211 NB (ZERO)
313 W2
312 T
212 W2
122 W3
313 T
W3 = WON ON 3RD BET
T = TRIGGER
Utilising Maui's version to MATCH the Dozen there does appear to be LESS losers !!
Will Test some more.....
Fantastic! Feedback!!! Yayyyyyy :xd:
I'm going to add numbers from Random.org to try and explain as I go.
3 2 1 - Trigger Line
1 1 1 - you can bet this line, as it is NOT the trigger. So we bet against dozen 3, win on 1st bet. DONE
1 2 1 - 1st bet, against dozen 3, win on bet 1. Next trigger. 1Trigger, 2 betting opportunities.
1 2 1 - Trigger Line
1 3 1 - Bet against 1st dozen, bet 1 is lost, move to next, bet against dozen 2. Win bet 2
1 2 2 - Bet against dozen 1, bet 1 lost,move to next, bet against dozen 2,lost, bet 3 WIN
0 2 1 - This cannot be ou trigger as it contains a zero.(BUT if you did place 1 unit on zero it would have been a hit)
2 1 1 - Trigger Line
1 2 3 - bet against dozen 2, win bet 1
2 1 2 - Bet against dozen 2, lost, bet against dozen 1, lost, bet against dozen 1, WIN
1 3 3 - Trigger Line
3 3 1 - Bet against dozen 1, WIN
1 3 1 - Bet against D1,lost,bet against D3, lost, bet against D3, WIN
2 1 0 - Cannot be new trigger with ZERO
1 1 2 - Trigger Line
Does this make sense?
The only time you skip 111,222,333 is for trigger, but use them during betting.
So in short, I play against the dozens forming.
1 trigger line of 3
2 lines of betting
1 unit - ONLY on first bets covering zero. So every 1st spins of every line zero is covered.
Skip 111,222,333 as triggers as dozens kan run for a while.
After a complete line loss - skip a line (regardless)
Hope this helps?
M
@ dino246
I was actually playing against the dozens, BUT if you see something I don't then perhaps running with it has more merit....perhaps with a nice solid progression. Something cooked up in GLC's pot?
Ciao
M
EDIT - Question - would one get more hits playing for ...or against the dozen? And once that is answered, would you progression run away quicker for or against?
Ok,this session from Ewarwoowar Reply 168.
We are going to MATCH the Dozen utilising Maui's version.
132 T
222 W3
313 T
113 W2
313 W2
021 NB (ZERO)
232 T
013 W1 (ZERO COVERED)
111 NB (ZERO)
232 T
112 W1
122 W1
113 T
222 L
323 T NB
233 W3
222 W1
213 T
132 L
121 W1
312 T
332 W1
122 W3
322 T
322 W1
112 W3
121 T
221 W2
233 W1
312 T
132 W3
123 W1
133 T
122 W1
113 W1
331 T
233 W2
231 W1
212 T
222 W1
113 T
111 W1
233 T
223 W1
212 W1
132 T
323 L
233 W3
221 T
332 L
111 L
211 T
312 W2
212 W2
322 T
123 W2
322 W2
333 T
313 T
321 W1
313 W1
320 NB
132 T ( NB = ZERO )
332 W2
311 W1
112 T
231 L
332 W2
323 T
131 L
203 W2(ZERO COVERED)
222 NB
321 T
332 W1
321 W1
Maui.
Have i now got it ALL correct.
132 T
222 W1
313 W1
113 T
313 W1
021 W1 (ZERO COVERED )
232 T
013 W1 (ZERO COVERED )
111 W1
232 T
112 W1
122 W1
113 T
222 W1
323 W1
233 T
222 W2
213 W2
132 T
121 W2
312 W1
332 T
122 W1
322 W2
322 T
122 W1
121 W1
221 T
233 W2
312 W1
132 T
123 W2
133 W3
112 T
113 W3
331 W1
233 T
231 W3
212 W2
222 T=DNQ
113 T
111 W3
233 W1
223 T
212 W2
132 W1
323 T
233 W1
221 W1
332 T
111 W1
211 W1
312 T
212 W1
322 W2
123 T
322 W1
333 W1
313 T
321 W2
313 L = Complete Line Loss ( skip a line )
320 T=DNQ
132 T
332 W1
311 W1
112 T
231 W1
332 W1
323 T
131 W1
203 W1
222 T=DNQ
222 T=DNQ
321 T
332 W2
321 L
Betting AGAINST Dozens as per Maui's instructions.
PERFECT!
What do you think Dino? Any merit?
YES......Maui,give yourself a Big MERIT badge !!!
With more testing it will be of great interest to see the ratio of Losers to Winners within your concept going forward.
I feel ALL the differant versions of Twisters origanal Excellent concept have merit.
It's just that i hate losing bets so hopefully between us all we can find a way to FINALLY achieve as few losers as possible.
Regards,
Dino.
I've always admired Twister's work, and there are many more on this forum who I admire.
I really think, that in the past people would look at something, and immediately shoot it down.
This time however, everyone's bit of spice is adding very nicely to something that has morphed and changed into what I think has still a long way to go, but might be playable.
What's that saying in English - 2 heads are better than one! :thumbsup:
Regards,
Mauricio
Just another quick session at some online RNG roulette table...
3 3 3 DNQ
1 2 3 T
1 2 1 w3
2 1 2 w1
1 1 1 DNQ
1 2 2 T
3 1 1 w1
2 3 1 w1
2 3 1 T
3 1 3 w1
3 3 1 w1
3 2 2 T
2 2 3 w1
3 3 1 w2
2 2 1 T
3 3 2 w1
3 3 2 w1
3 3 2 T
2 2 1 w1
2 3 1 w1
3 3 3 DNQ
3 1 3 T
2 0 2 w1
1 1 3 w1
1 3 1 T
3 3 1 w1
2 2 2 w1
2 3 0 DNQ
2 3 3 T
1 3 3 w1
3 1 2 w1
2 3 3 T
2 2 1 w2
2 1 2 w2
3 2 2 T
3 2 2 Loss
2 2 3 Skip
1 3 2 T
2 1 2 w1
What about a type of flat bet? 1/1,1/1,1/1 if a full line loss, you play 2/2,2/2,2/2 if full line loss play 3/3,3/3,3/3
Play 1/1 for full line until full line loss. Then move to 2/2, until new bank high then reset to 1/1. ONLY if you have 2 consecutive losses, move to 3/3 and keep going until new bank high then reset to 1/1
I think to be safe a bankroll of 72 units (2 x full progression set) or ANY suggestions would be welcomed.
Regards,
M
Sorry Maui,i DON'T recognise RNG stats at all as to me they are Mickey Mouse !!!! ( and that's unfair to Micky !! )
I always Back-test with my 10,000 Live Dealer Spins so i know 100% that i can look back at what happened in the REAL WORLD as if i had been there with any new concept at the time.
All the spin data dates back to 1996 as i have kept EVERY score-card from all my visits/sessions.
Most data obtained via London and UK Casinos.
Interesting stats from Ewarwoowar's session from HELL,Reply 168,Page 12.
76 Games Played.
16 Losing Bets.
05 Losers on the bounce at one stage .
Maui's stats from the same session.
76 Games Played
02 Losing Bets.
NO Losers on the bounce at ANY stage.
TO BE CONTINUED............
Has anyone ever considered playing cold turkey and just place your bet at the next spin coming up without going thru all that Gamblers Fallacy of previous spins?
It works for me and my aim is winning 2 out of 3 sessions by playing 2 selected dozens.
No negative progressions.
Either you win or you lose a session. That is a mature and experienced roulette players attitude.
Accept winnings as well as losses with the same grace.
Nathan Detroit.
I don`t gamble...... the casino does by permitting me to play there
Hey......i've worked out what RNG rearly stands for......Roulette No Good !!!!!!!
AND.......don't you think it funny,in all the Bookmakers their RNG Terminals are called......wait for it........FIXED Betting Terminals.
Rant finished......thank you all for reading
Dino.
Dino,
Nathan D. agrees with your statement.
N.D.
Gimme a B & M casino any time with live " cats" dropping the ball..
Maui13 could answer my question in reply 199, thanx :thumbsup:
Great system... keep it up guys!
My apologies Twister :thumbsup:
Everytime I try and copy paste stuff it stuffs up formatting with smaller text etc. Seems that I'm the only one on this forum with that talent! :xd:
I've attached a Word doc with the copied text in.
Cheers
M
hi thanks Twister for your method :) (the one posted on the 1st page)
i've played it in a real land-based casino with some success, below are my recorded results. hope its helpful to all reading this. I will continue to bet even if it is AAA, BBB or CCC
progression used is a 13 Step Martingale : 1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21-31-47-70-105
(A : 1st Dozen, B : 2nd Dozen, C : 3rd Dozen)
(NB : No Bet, W1 : means won on 1st attempt, W7 means won on 7th attempt)
CAB NB (Start)
ACB W3
CAB W3
AAC W2
0CC W3
AAC NB (Due to 0)
BBC W3
CCC W3
CCC W1
CCC W1
CBC W1
ACB L
CBA L
CBA W7
BAC L
CCC W6
CCB W1
BCC W2
BAA W1
BCC W1
Total Wins : 15 :thumbsup:
good enough to pay for my breakfast lunch and dinner :D
ps : C (3rd Dozen) came out 11 times in a row
Maui.
If that session, Reply 212, performed that well using RNG spins, then B+M spins should work even better.
Hi Chewenhua.....welcome to this BUSY topic !!
Nice INFORMATIVE post with great DETAIL.
Not being funny,but isn't the Industry Standard,ABC=Columns and 123=Dozens.
I just don,t want to get TOO CONFUSED with all the VARIED ACTION in this BRILLIANT topic.
Kind Regards,
Dino.
Quote from: Maui13 on Sep 28, 12:30 AM 2012
My apologies Twister :thumbsup:
Everytime I try and copy paste stuff it stuffs up formatting with smaller text etc. Seems that I'm the only one on this forum with that talent! :xd:
I've attached a Word doc with the copied text in.
Cheers
M
Thank you Maui that cleared things up :thumbsup:
Quote from: Maui13 on Sep 27, 03:44 PM 2012
I've always admired Twister's work, and there are many more on this forum who I admire.
I really think, that in the past people would look at something, and immediately shoot it down.
This time however, everyone's bit of spice is adding very nicely to something that has morphed and changed into what I think has still a long way to go, but might be playable.
What's that saying in English - 2 heads are better than one! :thumbsup:
Regards,
Mauricio
Could not agree more ! I love how a System Morphs its way until we end up with a 'finished product' !
Please accept my apologies to Chewenhua as i have entered Columns as 1,2,3 instead of A,B,C elseware in this Forum......SO from now on,Columns will be A,B,C.,within my sessions going forward.
Best Regards to YOU Chewenhua.
Dino.
hey dino
none taken :thumbsup: just my habit of referring Dozens as ABC, and Columns as 123 lol outside of this forum, hope that doesnt confuse others
anyw hope u are having success here, cheers
Maui's Version,betting on the Infamous COLUMNS.
CAA T
ACC W1
BBC W1
CBB T
ACC W1
BCB W1
BCC T
CCB W1
AAB W1
ACC T
CCC W1
CBB W1
ACA T
BAB W1
CBC W1
BAC T
CCB W1
CAC W1
BBB T (DNQ)
BCB W2
BCC W2
CBC T
ABC W1
CCB W2
BCB T
CAB W1
BCC W3
ABA T
ABB W3
CCB W1
AAB T
CBA W1
ACC W2
CCA T
ABC W1
AAA W1
CBC T
BAA W1
BCB W1
CAA T
CBC W2
BBB W1
BCC T
ABA W1
ABC W1
CCC T (DNQ)
AAB T
ACA W2
BCB W1
CAA T
ABA W1
CBC W2
ABC T
CBA W1
BAC W1
CCB T
CBC W2
BAB W1
CBA T
BCC W1
BAC W1
Uncanny Strike-Rate with this,even Columns.
Many Many Thanks for this enjoyable journey we are all on Twister AND Maui
Dino.
Thanks Chewenhua.
Just spotted my error within the Column session,BBB.....still won though !!!!
Awesome Dino! Didn't even think about columns! That opens up a whole new can of whoop-@ss!
What about alternating between the triggers...say 1 game dozens...1 game columns?
That's mixing it up good and proper! Take that random!
Regards,
M
First, thanks you guys for this topic :
Like Chewenhua did previously, i made a test with Twister original method.
Progression : 1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21-31 - After each win, i restart at level 1
Zero is not covered.
(1: 1st Dozen, 2 : 2nd Dozen, 3 : 3rd Dozen)
(NB : No Bet due to zero. W1 : means won on 1st attempt. W4 means won on 4th attempt)
Spins from spielbank-wiesbaden
Let's go :-)
212
323 L -4
111 L -17
331 W9 +2
222 L -2
231 W4 +4
321 W3 +6
121 W2 +7
122 W1 +9
331 L
333 W4 +11
113 W3 +13
331 L
231 W5 +14
211 W1 +16
232 W1 +18
221 W1 +20
222 W1 +22
121 W2 +23
311 W3 +25
331 W1 +27
122 L
113 W4 +29
121 W1 +31
032 L
211 NB
122 L
223 W8 +33
231 W1 +35
311 W3 +37
310 W1 +39
211 NB
332 L
133 W5 +40
121 W1 +42
122 W1 +44
122 W1 +46
112 W1 +48
Final result : + 48 Units !!
I will try again 8)
Quote from: Maui13 on Sep 28, 07:31 AM 2012
Awesome Dino! Didn't even think about columns! That opens up a whole new can of whoop-@ss!
What about alternating between the triggers...say 1 game dozens...1 game columns?
That's mixing it up good and proper! Take that random!
Regards,
M
That made me p!ss myself laughin !!
Ok,alternating Dozens/Columns.
Supercasino Live-Dealer, 80 Spins, approx' 2 Hours.
313 T
231 W1
113 W1
AAC T
CCC W1
CAB W1
123 T
131 W2
323 W1
CBO T (DNQ)
BCA T
AAA W1
BAA W2
232 T
222 W2
211 W2
CCB T
CAC W2
BAC W1
122 T
123 W3
223 W1
ABB T
CAC W1
CAC L
132 T
Session Ends.
Has no less merit than any other concept,BUT is there any more PROFIT + it's more difficult to track than just a Stand Alone D/C SESSION.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 28, 10:45 AM 2012
Ok,alternating Dozens/Columns.
Supercasino Live-Dealer, 80 Spins, approx' 2 Hours.
313 T
231 W1
113 W1
AAC T
CCC W1
CAB W1
123 T
131 W2
323 W1
CBO T (DNQ)
BCA T
AAA W1
BAA W2
232 T
222 W2
211 W2
CCB T
CAC W2
BAC W1
122 T
123 W3
223 W1
ABB T
CAC W1
CAC L
132 T
Session Ends.
Has no less merit than any other concept,BUT is there any more PROFIT + it's more difficult to track than just a Stand Alone D/C SESSION.
Ayup!
Any chance of an explaination of something and of the progression actually happening.
Above, we see this:
123 T
131 W2
323 W1
So........... Question 1
123 T
131 W2 <<<<we bet against 1 (from 123), so 1u on 2 and 1u on 3. It lost. Now are we betting same? (against the 1 in 123) or against the 2 in 123
323 W1
and Question 2
131 W2<<<<what bet was on the 3 to win. What if it lost....and the 3rd lost.
Just a few more rules spelt out would be cushdy :-)
Turner
Hi Turner.
Many Thanks for taking an interest in this thread.
123 T
131 W2 we bet 1-1 on 2/3 to beat 1=Lost.Then bet 3-3 on 1/3 to beat 2= win.
323 W1 we bet 1-1 on 2/3 to beat 1=Win
In answer to your second question,at present we take the loss=1-1,3-3,9-9.
Because of the VERY HIGH Strike-Rate,it is hoped that the Loss of 26 Units can be absorbed by the wins.
Having said all that,i am playing around with an idea regarding the progression and on how to improve it.
Best Regards.
Dino.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 29, 08:26 AM 2012
[size=78%]So........... Question 1[/size]
123 T
131 W2 <<<<we bet against 1 (from 123), so 1u on 2 and 1u on 3. It lost. Now are we betting same? (against the 1 in 123) or against the 2 in 123 We bet against the 2
323 W1
Yeah - also looking into other possible progressions. I like GLC's progression on this forum called Easy as 1 - 2 - 3 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10334.msg93086#msg93086)
Regards,
M
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 29, 10:38 AM 2012
Hi Turner.
Many Thanks for taking an interest in this thread.
123 T
131 W2 we bet 1-1 on 2/3 to beat 1=Lost.Then bet 3-3 on 1/3 to beat 2= win.
323 W1 we bet 1-1 on 2/3 to beat 1=Win
In answer to your second question,at present we take the loss=1-1,3-3,9-9.
Because of the VERY HIGH Strike-Rate,it is hoped that the Loss of 26 Units can be absorbed by the wins.
Having said all that,i am playing around with an idea regarding the progression and on how to improve it.
Best Regards.
Dino.
thanks dino.....we arnt 27-27 kinda guys then?...lol
Hi Turner.
27-27 is BIG when playing Live-dealer B+M with £5 Chip
An idea i'm restling with,is to continue Flat-Betting say.....Concept One's session and whenever a Losing Game OR a Losing Bet within that game in Concept One.s session Hits,SWITCH to Concept Two's session (which has a much higher strike-rate),to complete the prog" in C2 started in C1.
This is a RADICLE way of recovering a loser and needs time for more work on it.
So if 1-1 loses in C1,it might pay to SWITCH to C2 at 3-3 to recover due to higher Strike-Rate.
Also it may pay if a complete game is Lost (1-1,3-3,9-9) in C1 to SWITCH to C2 to recover.
To be continued.......
Strike rate is mad on this.....has anyone died with this yet?
This graph is 1U but I cant do that in the casino. 5U min outside bets.
Ill post a 5U session
Turner
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Great work Turner.
Impressed with the Graph AND the Stats !!
Hopefully i will embark on my 10,000 Live Dealer/Airwheel spin data SOON which can be compared to your Graph.
As i'm from the Old-world i only work with Quill and Parchment Paper,but i always get there in the end.
No,non of my sessions has died yet.
By the way,your working with Maui's system are you ?
Look forward to see the 5U stats.
Cheers.
ive just logged back in after a couple of days away and it's great to see that this thread is still going.
are we looking at columns now, or still playing the same way?
i'll do a couple more sessions later and post them up for comparing different methods.
cheers.
Hi Ewarwoowar.
Yes Columns have been tested using Maui's great concept.
It's open to debate as to wether Columns are LESS PROFITABLE than Dozens with all the sessions being tested within this thread.
Look forward to YOUR further sessions.
Best Regards,
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 30, 11:28 AM 2012
Great work Turner.
Impressed with the Graph AND the Stats !!
Hopefully i will embark on my 10,000 Live Dealer/Airwheel spin data SOON which can be compared to your Graph.
As i'm from the Old-world i only work with Quill and Parchment Paper,but i always get there in the end.
No,non of my sessions has died yet.
By the way,your working with Maui's system are you ?
Look forward to see the 5U stats.
Cheers.
Maui yes....dozens. you can see in the graph I had to sack 3 times after LLL then MMM then HHH
Do we have a Final set of rules defined ? Just for ppl late to the Party
Here we go!.......another Dozens session playing Maui's system as an update.
230 T DNQ skip this trigger line due to Zero.
131 T
212 W1
123 W2
313 T
131 W1
131 W1
121 T
112 W2
133 W2
311 T
212 W1
221 W1
121 T
112 W2
113 W2
311 T
223 W1
111 W1
333 T DNQ skip this trigger line due to three of the same Dozen
120 T DNQ skip this trigger line due to Zero
211 T
321 W1
312 W2
223 T
323 W1
223 L1 L2 L3
212 DNQ always skip this line AFTER a L1 L2 L3 Trigger line or not.
122 T
323 W1
213 W1
122 T
231 W1
313 W1
311 T
113 W1
133 W1
332 T
122 W1
Session Ends.
W1 = WON 1ST BET
ok, another good long session. dozens.
122
303 L
223 NB
233 W
222 W
312 NB
312 NB
322 NB
223 W
323 W
333 W
232 NB
211 W
011 L
221 NB
220 W
232 NB
333 W
121 NB
133 W
213 L
231 NB
221 NB
112 W
221 W
232 W
220 W
230 NB
312 NB
213 NB
113 NB
223 L
313 W
131 W
220 L
122 NB
121 W
331 L
221 L
220 W
231 NB
223 NB
313 W
313 W
122 W
221 W
313 L
323 W
322 W
123 L
332 NB
313 W
231 L
123 NB
123 NB
321 NB
223 NB
113 L
133 W
221 L
222 W
313 NB
333 W
311 NB
321 W
131 NB
211 L
111 W
121 NB
221 W
213 W
113 NB
133 W
232 L
213 W
same session as above. columns
BCA
A0A NB
CAC NB
ABC W
AAB NB
ABC W
CBC NB
AAA L
BCA NB
BCA NB
BCB NB
ABC L
ABB NB
0CA L
ACC NB
BC0 L
CCC NB
ABA NB
CBB L
BBC W
BBB W
CAA NB
ACB W
CBC NB
BAC W
BCB NB
AC0 L
AC0 NB
AAA NB
BCB NB
CCC W
CCC NB
ABC NB
CCC NB
BC0 NB
ACB NB
CBB NB
AAC L
ACC W
AC0 W
CCA NB
BCB L
BBA W
BBC W
BAA W
AAC W
BAC L
BBC NB
CBB W
CBB W
ABC L
BCA NB
ABA NB
BCA W
BAA NB
AAA W
BBA NB
CCB L
BBC W
BAB W
CBA L
BAB NB
CAC L
BCC L
AAC L
CCA W
CCB W
AAC L
BAC L
ABA NB
BAC W
BAB NB
BCA W
CCA NB
CBA W
I made my first £10 on Will Hill (sorry Twister :question:)
Live dealer. Vesta ROL wheel.
I have a suggestion, but first..... the method was this. Hope its correct.
X= don't RECORD BECAUSE YOU WON
HHL <<trigger
HLX
MXX +2U
HMM<<trigger
HXX
HML +4U <<<<< (This is event A for later discussion)
LLM <<trigger
HXX
MXX +6U
MLM <<trigger
HXX
MMX +8U
MLH<<trigger
MMX
LXX +10U
Now event A was scarey...because it went to 9-9 and all this euphoria was about to stand up and take a p!ss on me.
£26 loss isnt enough to find the nearest tree to hang your self off...but its dissapointing.
Why not bet 1-1, 3-3 and stop. £8 loss is easily recovered. Most hits are in the 1st or 2nd bet (80%??)
or less of a blow and of a catch up.....1-1, 3-3
Just a thought.
Now....3-3, 9-9 looks less scarey than 3-3, 9-9, 27-27
and 5-5, 15-15 looks better then 5-5, 15-15, 45-45
Turner
Hi Turner.
I'd like to understand YOUR method as i'm having a devil of a time de-coding it !!
I agree using a progression of 1-1,3-3 or even 2-2,6-6 to start,because as you say the 1st/2nd bets Hit so often.
Then it's just a question on a prog to recover.
Guys - I feel that I was inspired by Twister, so the name for the system should really be his!
Anyway - yes I agree, the progression should only be a 2 step - as those hit the most.
Flat betting - that remains the question.
Ciao
M
I agree with you Maui.......what Twister started with this Thread/Topic was to Spawn around 4 extra concepts to add to his.
When you think of all the activity since 17th September when this thread began....17 Pages,250 Replys and now 4,000 + Reads,Twister sure NEVER imagined all this !
Once again.......THANK YOU TWISTER.......soon we should all be making not WOOPEE but PROFIT.....PROFIT ......PROFIT.
Maui.....Question.....have you or anybody else come across TWO losing games on the bounce playing your way,to date i haven't with Dozens and only once playing Columns.
Dino - I have not played this for real money yet. I've only paper tested with live spin data from this site, and so far, with all the test - NEVER had a back to back loss!
Test are about 3000 spins. Will it fail??? At some point most certainly, will you get back up on your feet! YES! I just think we need to come to a conclusion as to what the progression is, and then start testing live.
Another reason why I like this so much is because you're actually playing, not sitting and waiting for many spins before you have a trigger or betting opportunity.
Ciao
M
guys, i'll put some more sessions up but how are we playing this now?
are we alternating between dozens and columns?
cheers.
Hi Ewarwoowar.
It feels best to return to DOZENS ONLY for now.
As the saying goes....IF IT AIN'T BROKE WE SHOULDN'T TRY AND FIX IT !!!
Quote from: dino246 on Oct 01, 04:01 AM 2012
I agree with you Maui.......what Twister started with this Thread/Topic was to Spawn around 4 extra concepts to add to his.
When you think of all the activity since 17th September when this thread began....17 Pages,250 Replys and now 4,000 + Reads,Twister sure NEVER imagined all this !
Once again.......THANK YOU TWISTER.......soon we should all be making not WOOPEE but PROFIT.....PROFIT ......PROFIT.
And many thanx to EVERYONE who has added to this Thread :thumbsup:
Without all ure hardwork testing and morphin the System we wudnt be where we are today !
OK folks.....
Im getting all confused....and it doesnt take much cos Im fik.
Original Twister was 1 doz bet. Maui system is betting against the dozen.
Which one is now the prefered method.
I reported (Dino couldnt decode it) using LMH just to confuse everyone lol. I allways think Dozens as Low Medium High...sorry.
SO......
I played this.
LMH Trig
bet MH ? yes? and if its L bet LH? and if its M bet LM.
LLL, MMM, HHH Trig <<<<not a valid trigger, so spin 3 more.
NEXT......
Only bet twice against the trigger.
i.e
LML
MLL W1
LLH W2
(retrack)
is that correct?
Finally.....is Twisters original idea replaced by Mauis, or are there 2 here (I know some columns crept in but its 2 different ideas)
When twister said...."can we have an update for those late to the party"
Was that his? or His and Mauis, or just Mauis.
Im out of breath now.......
Turner
Yes Turner......we always bet AGAINST the Trigger within Maui's Concept
For ME the prefered idea is Maui's,due to the VERY high Strike-Rate.
Having said that Twister's One Dozen Concept STILL has great merit.
Believe it or not i'm still working on an idea playing 3 concepts at the same time,which includes Twister's concept.
TO BE CONTINUED...........
Twister said to confirm THE RULES........we need to NAIL-DOWN the elusive PROGRESSION !!
another session:-
111
333 NB
122 NB
121 W
033 L
312 NB
102 NB
313 NB
111 W
331 NB
333 W
212 NB
131 W
333 W
233 NB
331 W
231 L
332 NB
223 W
323 W
311 W
132 W
213 NB
231 NB
231 NB
331 NB
213 L
133 NB
120 W
112 NB
232 W
332 W
312 W
233 NB
122 L
220 W
222 NB
323 NB
322 W
312 W
031 L
131 NB
233 L
213 W
220 NB
231 NB
132 NB
312 NB
331 NB
232 L
333 W
311 NB
131 W
113 W
311 W
122 W
123 W
123 NB
331 NB
112 W
122 W
221 W
122 W
222 W
313 NB
112 W
223 W
133 L
231 L
312 NB
321 NB
223 NB
112 L
112 W
313 L
211 L
333 L
213 NB
233 NB
212 W
another session:-
322
112 L
233 W
321 W
312 NB
213 NB
333 NB
322 NB
321 W
332 NB
331 W
313 W
121 W
321 L
032 NB
211 NB
111 W
130 NB
203 NB
312 NB
111 NB
221 NB
111 W
233 NB
223 W
212 W
223 W
113 L
322 W
112 L
313 L
231 L
212 NB
331 L
122 W
121 W
312 L
111 NB
113 NB
212 L
233 W
113 L
232 L
333 W
231 NB
212 NB
323 L
113 L
333 W
331 NB
330 W
211 NB
212 W
113 W
112 W
322 L
123 L
212 NB
123 W
231 NB
331 NB
333 W
122 NB
223 W
211 W
331 L
312 W
322 NB
312 W
212 NB
123 W
133 NB
333 W
213 NB
213 NB
331 NB
101 W
i've only been testing as if we're betting on the first line and showing the results as such. if a progression was used across the line, the picture looks a whole lot better.
in the example just above, there isn't one loss.
in the first of today's sessions, betting across the line produced two losing bets, but the next bet won in both cases.
is this the way we're heading with this?
Sorry.....but are you playing FOR or AGAINST the Dozens in your last two sessions ?
Cheers,
Dino.
dino, playing as ever for the two dozens from the previous line
ie:-
331
221 L - betting for dozens 3 and 1 for the first time only
131 W - betting for dozens 2 and 1 for the first time only
are we doing it differently now?
cheers.
Please accept MY apologies Ewarwoowar YOU are 100%.....CORRECT.....and i'm NUTS !!!
Because i'm working on this 3 CONCEPT idea i find myself getting mixed up which is which !!
Best Regards,
Dino.
hahahahaha! don't worry dino, it's ok.
i know exactly what you mean. sometimes after testing a few hundred spins in one go, i feel like a lie down in a dark room would help!
cheers.
I did observe something of interest in your last 2 sessions Ewarwoowar.
After a qualifying Loser,if you play AGAINST each Dozen in the line below you get these results below.
1ST SESSION.
033 L
312 NB(DUE TO ZERO)
231 L
332 W1
213 L
133 W1
122 L
220 W1
031 L
131 NB(DUE TO ZERO)
233 L
213 W2
232 L
333 W1
133 L
231 W1
231 L
312 W1
112 L
112 L L L
313 W1
313 L
211 W1
211 L
333 W1
2ND SESSION
112 L
233 W1
321 L
032 W2 or ZERO
113 L
322 W1
112 L
313 W1
313 L
231 W1
231 L
212 W2
331 L
122 W1
313 L
111 W1
212 L
233 W2
113 L
232 W1
232 L
333 W1
323 L
113 W1
113 L
333 W1
322 L
123 W1
123 L
212 W1
331 L
312 W2
W2 = WON 2ND BET etc.
You could FLAT-BET on the winners with PROGRESSION only AFTER a Loser
Nice LITTLE exercise that !!!!
Ok, so are you guys playing it
Trigger Line
Then betting line
Trigger Line
Then betting line
Quote from: Maui13 on Oct 01, 02:20 PM 2012
Ok, so are you guys playing it
Trigger Line
Then betting line
Trigger Line
Then betting line
First time Ive seen it...lol
I wish someone would nail one version to the mast. Can we not post the other ideas seperatly?
Turner
Ok, I'm going to create a new topic.
As this original method of Twister was playing for 1 dozen. Then it morped into playing against 1.
So if you guys don't mind - the method will be called The TDM 2 Dozens
Regards,
M
I wonder if I may drop in with a progression suggestion.
I played a system very similar if not the same as the Twisters original version with Paddy Power RNG.
I only had £27 left I managed to get that to £300 and draw it out.
Played a few sessions to do it.
It also says a lot about Paddy Power RNG, though not tried it since.
It was about a year ago now.
This thread has reminded me of of it.
Anyway the progression. Nothing fancy not a money management type but, here it is.
Its 8 steps in this example.
No matter what stage your hit comes you always win 4 units.
2
3
4.5
6.5
9.5
14
20.5
30.5
I used to find it frustrating that If I hit at a certain stage in the standard 1 doz progression I did not win as much as I would have the previous hit, or next hit. I wanted to be paid as much for any hit.
Arthur.
Hi Arthur.
Good to see another member join in on this great thread started by Twistor.
I think your Prog has merit IF playing with small chips.
As i'm old-fashioned i only bet minimum £5 chips whether it's Live-Dealer B+M or Online.
Betting to the 8th step on your Prog would be too scary even for me.
Regards.
Dino.
Dino, I agree the 8 steps were just an example of the progression.
3 steps is 9.5 units loss.
Any time you have 2 wins at any stage you are tantalisingly almost there with 8 units, and with 3 wins in profit.
With 1, 1, 2. and only hitting at stage 2 you have to win 4 times to recover to level and 5 for profit. I accept that hitting stage 1 and 3 is a little better than the above progression (2,3,4.5) but with this dozen system the hits seem to occur at any time within the 3 steps.
In the end though it may all work out the same.
Arthur