This is similar to an other post, but I will here do just one number, testing for ways of winning on numbers which have lower hit rate for longer periods.
If a number (or color) comes 75% lower than expected, you can win using a negative progression,
if and only if the skips are not too large for the method.
I hope to deal and fix skips of 600 spins.
Played number 3 straight up for about 1000 spins
The number 3 was hitting 22 times.
Expected is 25, so it was less than expected.
I will continue to explore the possibility
to ride out sleeping numbers. The numbers
will in the long run come out at 1/37.
If we can survive the worst cases with
winning, break even and even small loss,
we have chance to win in longer term.
Funny I got the 13:th hit at spin 666.
Very large skips one after each other
is the problem to overcome.
105th spins first hit stake 1 unit
148th spin second hit stake 3 units
348th spin third hit stake 3 units
390th spin 4:th hit stake 30 units
404th spin 5:th hit stake 30 units
Went 195 plus set back to one unit
use same number(3).
412th spin 6:th hit stake one unit
plus 224 units.
536th spin 7:th hit stake 1 unit.
565th spin 8:th hit stake 5 units.
582th spin 9:th hit stake 20 units
new high 397 units.
590th spin 10:th hit stake 1 unit
new high 425 units.
599th spin 11:th hit stake 1 unit
new high 452 units.
606th spin 12:th hit stake 1 unit
new high 481 units.
666th spin 13:th hit stake 1 unit
682th spin 14th hit stake 5 units
new high 540 units.
708th spin 15:th hit stake 1 unit
new high 550 units.
726th spin 16:th hit stake 1 unit.
new high 568 units.
804th spin 17:th hit stake 1 unit.
809th spin 18:th hit stake 5 units
new high 650 units
816th spin 19:th hit stake 1 unit
833th spin 20:th hit stake 1 unit
new high 697 units.
905th spin 21th hit stake 1 unit
925th spin 22th hit stake 4 units
new high 729 units.
new high 679 units
This 1000 spins ended on 10% of the deepest hole in the used bankroll.
There was long periods of no hits and less than average hits.
The session survived using brute force of the bankroll.
I do not want many like this, have to find ways to
work around.
I went down from the highest stake of
1000 units to 1 unit and got a double hit.
Playing number 3.
First hit at spin 82 stake 1 unit, -46
Second hit in spin 101 stake 3 units +5.
Third hit in spin 145 stake 1 unit -3
4:th hit in spin 165 stake 3 units +45.
5:th hit in spin 204 stake 1 unit +42.
6:th hit in spin 209 stake 2 units +104
7:th hit in spin 225 stake 1 unit +124.
8:th hit in spin 272 stake 1 unit +113.
9:th hit in spin 307 stake 3 units +116.
10:th hit in spin 478 stake 3 units -289.
11:th hit in spin 517 stake 30 units -379.
12th hit in 607 spin stake 50 units -3079.
At 676 spins no hit stake 100 units -9999.
13:th hit at 740 spins stake 300 units -18789.
14th hit in spin 774 stake 600 units -16979.
15th hit in spin 790 stake 1000 units +3021.
16th hit in spin 791 stake 1 unit +3056
17th hit in spin 807 stake 10 units +3256
18th hit in spin 896 stake 10 units +2726
19th hit in spin 906 stake 50 units +4026
20th hit in spin 995 stake 10 units +3496
21th hit in 1000 spins stake 50 units +5046.
You can't win on a long run before u realize that nothing does -- continuously. This is a good example of what typically happens to any method playing continuously on a long run. So draw your own conclusions how to avoid it. My conclusion is avoid this kind of betting (the same method for lots of spins in a row)like a hell.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 22, 02:07 PM 2012
You can't win on a long run before u realize that nothing does -- continuously. This is a good example of what typically happens to any method playing continuously on a long run. So draw your own conclusions how to avoid it. My conclusion is avoid this kind of betting (the same method for lots of spins in a row)like a hell.
This is test, how to avoid testing. Its playing as well. I will stretch it until its limits.
Yes a loss will come soon or later,
Playing number 3
hit spin 23 stake 1 unit +13
2Thu spin 27 stake 1 unit +45¨
3Thu spin 32 stake 4 units +169
4th spin 59 stake 6 units +223
5th spin 69 stake 10 units +483
6th spin 79 stake 2 units +535
7th spin 203 stake 2 units +359
8th spin 222 stake 6 units +461
8th spin 405 stake 2 units +167
9th spin 474 stake 6 units -31
10th spin 554 stake 20 units -911
11th spin 606 stake 50 units -1711
12th spin 620 stake 100 units +489
13th spin 629 stake 10 units +759
14th spin 667 stake 10 units +1099
15th spin 667 stake 3 units +1183
16th spin 679 stake 3 units +1279
17th spin 699 stake 1 unit +1295
18th spin 765 stake 1 unit +1265
19th spin 785 stake 1 unit +1281
20th spin 816 stake 1 unit +1286
21th spin 829 stake 2 units +1332
22th spin 887 stake 1 unit +1310
23th spin 951 stake 2 units +1254
24th spin 1000 stake 4 units +1202
well, the outcome is more or less well known here. U can test for sure, but i can see no point in it.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 22, 03:37 PM 2012
well, the outcome is more or less well known here. You can test for sure, but i can see no point in it.
I can, it is as relevant as all testing, the same arguments are valid for all testing.
I see some difference in testing against the casino, than running long series of number,
if the method is not completely mechanic.
This one gave good hit rate
17 in about 500 spins.
25 is average for 1000.
The stakes could be on low level.
All on number 3.
Some server kickout.
1 spin 57 stake 1 -21
2 spin 79 stake 1 +29
3 spin 101 stake 1 +43
4 spin 114 stake 1 +66
5 spin 121 stake 1 +93
6 spin 154 stake 1 +98
7 spin 169 stake 1 +83
8 spin 241 stake 3 -25
9 spin 266 stake 3 +8
10 spin 299 stake 3 +17
11 spin 306 stake 3 +104
12 spin 307 stake 1 +139
13 spin 368 stake 1 +113
14 spin 378 stake 3 +194
15 spin 395 stake 1 +213
16 spin 480 stake 1 +163
17 spin 492 stake 3 +238
suspect less in next 500
so I don't run them.
is it Betvoyager? or real live casino?
thanx
BV European wheel. hardly impossible on live due to speed, will take days.
An other play on number 3
1 hit spin 16 stake 1 unit +20
2 hit spin 55 stake 2 units +14
3 hit spin 64 stake 2 units +68
4 hit spin 75 stake 2 units +118
5 hit spin 144 stake 1 unit +85
6 hit spin 187 stake 2 units +71
7 hit spin 190 stake 2 units +139
8 hit spin 209 stake 1 unit +155
9 hit spin 210 stake 1 unit +190
10 hit spin 268 stake 1 unit +168
11 hit spin 289 stake 3 units +213
Hit rate over average but decrease
I stop here.
Play on number 3
1 hit spin 1 stake 1 unit +35
2 hit spin 6 stake 1 unit +66
3 hit spin 12 stake 2 units +126
4 hit spin 15 stake 3 units +225
5 hit spin 95 stake 4 units +49
6 hit spin 99 stake 4 units +177
7 hit spin 135 stake 2 units +177
8 hit spin 162 stake 1 unit +186
9 hit spin 171 stake 1 unit +213
10 hit spin 173 stake 1 unit +247
Very good hit rate, may not
continue, stop here.
Play on number 3
1 hit spin 17 stake 1 unit +19
2 hit spin 44 stake 1 unit +28
3 hit spin 134 stake 4 units -134
4 hit spin 201 stake 6 units -289
5 hit spin 215 stake 10 units -69
6 hit spin 224 stake 10 units +201
Hits on average, safer to stop.
Play on number 3
1 hit spin 21 stake 1 unit +15
2 hit spin 90 stake 1 unit -18
3 hit spin 168 stake 2 units -102
4 hit spin 378 stake 4 units -798
5 hit spin 487 stake 30 units -2988
6 hit spin 534 stake 100 units -4088
7 hit spin 558 stake 300 units -488
8 hit spin 679 stake 100 units -8998
9 hit spin 716 stake 300 units -9288
10 hit spin 795 stake 300 units -22188
11 hit spin 803 stake 800 units +212
12 hit spin 854 stake 10 units + 63
13 hit spin 883 stake 40 units +342
14 hit spin 888 stake 40 units +1582
15 hit spin 976 stake 40 units -498
16 hit spin 1020 stake 150 units -1698
17 hit spin 1042 stake 300 units +2502
Very low hit rate 11 less than expected.
Deep drawdown. result 9% of largest
used bankroll. Probably close to
a managable session.
Could maybe make it longer using
less steppy progression, but it is
not any insuransce for the deep of
drawdown.
The total test 20% + of total bankroll used.
150 spins 1 unit +32
29 spins 1 unit + 7 total +39
197 spins 1 unit +25 total +64
53 spins 1 unit +15 total +79
102 spins 1 unit +2 total +81
2 spins 1 unit +34 total +115
30 spins 1 unit + 7 total +122
10 spins 1 unit +24 total +146
30 spins 1 unit +18 total +164
29 spins 1 unit +8 total +172
22 spins 1 unit +13 total +185
11 spins 1 unit +24 total +209
250 spins 1 unit -150 +59
9 spin 2 units + 61 +120
13 spins 2 units +57 +177
This time I did not count the
hit rate, run flat until plus
or if a longer sleep, add a unit
trying to catch up when hitting
increase.
Around 1000 spins, got kicked out
a few times lost count +/-10 spins.
Bet on number three.
25 spins +11
11 spins +24 stake 1 total +35
211 spins +5 stake 1 total +40
80 spins +27 stake 1 total +67
66 spins +6 stake 1 total +73
60 spins +12 stake 1 total +85
270 spins -54 stake 1 total +31
7 spins +56 stake 2 total +87
48 spins + 24 stake 1 total 111
Flat betting until hit, or
long sleep, then adding a chip to the stakes.
this is a pure luck my friend. Within 1000 spins one or more numbers hit frequently. It can last for long periods of time. Even for a few days u may come to BV and get this result. But in no way u can use it consistently unless RNG is biased which is very unlikely.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 11:58 AM 2012
this is a pure luck my friend. Within 1000 spins one or more numbers hit frequently. It can last for long periods of time. Even for a few days u may come to BV and get this result. But in no way You can use it consistently unless RNG is biased which is very unlikely.
Its so, the frequency of hits must be more than average to win flat betting.
The progressions must be in the right places, which of course is impossible to predict.
You have the same problem with any method.
I do not count the RGN wheel as biased.
Despite the problems, which I am fully aware of, it is not impossible to win, but never sure.
Nobody wins without luck on theire side.
I do not hunt a 100% sure way, it is wast of time, time I can spend winning or losing, I play while testing.
About 1000 more spins, getting around longer skips.
28 spins 1 unit +8
250 spins 1 unit -108
281 spins 3 units -209
60 spins 6 units +73
105 spins 1 unit +91
200 spins 1 unit +38
100 spins 3 units -122
98 spins 6 units +190 total
1039 spins betting on number three all the time, to exclude short time higher frequencies of a number.
Number 3 in 3 hits.
Hi Ralph
I have done this many times, I've just spent the last 30 minutes looking for the thread I made on it but cannot find it, it must have got lost during an update to the forum or something, pity as there was some good stats in it.
Basically while just gathering numbers I was monitoring all numbers with a tracker, it would count how often each number hit, this all worked over a 1000 spin window as thats the most you can get on BV at a time. Some numbers hit over 40 times but never the same ones thats the problem, on average, if I can remember right, 24 numbers did hit enough times to be in profit flat betting for the 1000 spins but 12 did not and would have ended in a loss, choosing which number is going to hit more times is the hard part/luck
The reason I test the same number all the time, now over 10000 spins, is I do not here hunt hot numbers, rather try to overcome the long skips using progressions.
I have noted a number hits in clusters, they do not come at an even rate (which should make the game beatable). Sleeping a couple of hundred spins happen, and then they use to hit more.
An other 1000 spins at number 3.
80% of the time 1 unit bet, 12 spins of 30, and the rest with 3 units.
504 spins number 3 all bets one unit.