Dear Forum members:
Any thoughts on transforming form Compulsive Gambler to Professinal Gambler. Is it possible at all?
or it is just a wishful thinking?
Quote from: IndianGuru on Sep 25, 05:51 AM 2012
Dear Forum members:
Any thoughts on transforming form Compulsive Gambler to Professinal Gambler. Is it possible at all?
or it is just a wishful thinking?
My view?.....i would hate to get to 5 o'clock here where i work after some of the days I've had recently and be told i wasn't getting paid. Or worse...i owed them money. Compultion ever time for me
Quote from: IndianGuru on Sep 25, 05:51 AM 2012
Dear Forum members:
Any thoughts on transforming form Compulsive Gambler to Professinal Gambler. Is it possible at all?
or it is just a wishful thinking?
Hi IndianGuru,
Better to have a job ( if possible ) with Roulette as a hobby.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
If anybody depends on your economy, never take gambling as job.
Gambling can work, but is not very safe, at least have something to lean back to in case of.
The career may be short!
Win the money first, and then consider a break from the job.
I think there are two kinds, that one who won much once, and retired, and the other kind
who has debts, not have any secure life, but still stick to it.
I spend much time on roulette, but I am not depending of it for my living. I have sometimes
been able to live a bit better for periods due to winnings.
IndianGuru
Single?
Married?
Single:
First be certain you have "your" holy grail fully worked-out, from all angles: recovery mode, contingency plans, maximization of winning runs, have mastered discipline and you are at the "no guessing" level already... You have the winning plan, and you are now left to play it...
At this point, you can stack yourself with enough bank to live off without working for -say- 6 months and you might attempt to make it.
Married:
...Don't even try to convince your wife you are going to quit your job for gambling. Seriously. It can have deeper consequences.
Just do your thing; play "your" grail, and pamper her with the money.
When you are making more with gambling than what you're making with the day job, tell her you might want to try to reduce your working hours... but my best advice is to never insinuate you want to quit entirely.
With kids:
Why aren't you at the office right now? ;)
Any thoughts on transforming form Compulsive Gambler to Professinal Gambler. Is it possible at all?
or it is just a wishful thinking?--IndianGuru
Wishful thinking. It is easy to be complsive even slightly in a casino environment, with all of the distractions. That's why imo it is good to go with a friend who can help with a stop-loss.
Quote from: IndianGuru on Sep 25, 05:51 AM 2012
Any thoughts on transforming form Compulsive Gambler to Professinal Gambler. Is it possible at all?
or it is just a wishful thinking?
There is one true way to break the compulsion. Practice at home using virtual
bets, with no real money in play. Stay out of all casinos until you can win in
practice. Then set some conditions of money management if you ever do
plan to use real money. You must master self control first. Pain and
disappointment are harsh lessons to learn. They may be prerequisites for
many of us. They were for me.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 25, 10:50 AM 2012
It is easy to be complsive even slightly in a casino environment, with all of the distractions.
One way around that is to not play in a casino environment, but online.
The hardest thing for me to learn was how to deal with losing streaks. Many players when losing will panic and start to bet heavily in order to get back to even ASAP - big mistake. But, that said, if you've done your research and have a plan for all eventualities, you won't panic. Losses are an inevitable part of the game - no pain, no gain!
I guess if you are a billionaire it's not bad idea to become professional.You can survive even as a millionaire....
Quote from: IndianGuru on Sep 25, 05:51 AM 2012
Dear Forum members:
Any thoughts on transforming form Compulsive Gambler to Professinal Gambler. Is it possible at all?
or it is just a wishful thinking?
First thing is if you're compulsive then forget about becoming professional. The two just don’t mix.
Second thing is if you aspire to become a professional gambler then you will need more than just roulette to do it.
Third thing is be prepared for everyone you know or ever meet in this world to unleash their dogs upon you.
Good luck with it friends.
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 26, 06:45 AM 2012
Second thing is if you aspire to become a professional gambler then you will need more than just roulette to do it.
Why?
Mastering discipline is THEE most important thing to prevent c***y mistakes
Enduring say 200 spins per day with a realistic average of +2% edge, betting $100 per spin is 200 x $100 = $20000 turnover x2% = $400 per day income. That’s a lot of work for only $400.
To achieve anything like this you will need a big bankroll, probably at least $50,000 most of which, if you’re lucky, you won’t need to have in your pocket each time you play. You might never have to tap into the bulk of it, so some other investment strategy is needed for your latent bankroll. It would be silly to just leave $40000 under the pillow when it could be working for you in some way.
There will be lengthy spells where your play earns nothing or even loses money, but life’s bills keep coming in, so even if gambling professionally you should always have some backup income to see you through the lean times because you don’t want to be tapping into your bankroll to pay the rent or get the car fixed, etc. And by lengthy spells I mean weeks on end making nothing but comps (which are fun).
The solution to all this is to have an even bigger bankroll, but at some point in the calculations the bankroll becomes so large that you don’t need to gamble professionally because you can just live off the interest of your huge bankroll and gamble for leisure and entertainment.
That should be the goal of all aspiring Pro’s. To bloat out the bankroll to such a state that you no longer need to gamble for a living.
.
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 26, 07:30 PM 2012
That should be the goal of all aspiring Pro’s. To bloat out the bankroll to such a state that you no longer need to gamble for a living.
+1 & :thumbsup:
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 26, 06:45 AM 2012
if you aspire to become a professional gambler then you will need more than just roulette to do it.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 26, 12:04 PM 2012
Why?
Ditto.
You only need to beat one (1) casino game to have your way to riches! :)
Quote from: VLS on Sep 26, 08:28 PM 2012
Ditto.
You only need to beat one (1) casino game to have your way to riches! :)
True, I have read this topic with interest. As I consider myself a semi-professional gambler. In that the majority of my income has come from Roulette over the last 8 years. There are several misconceptions about what is required to make it professionally with this game.
The biggest one being this notion that you need a vast bankroll to do so. Its useful to have one but NOT ESSENTIAL. What is essential is CONSISTENCY. This idea about going long runs without any profit shouldnt exist if your methods are any good. I gave up fulltime work when I had just 3,000 British pounds. Yes you just read right. Why?
Because I knew I could beat this game for as long as I wish to. You should know that as well. Then this need to have some vast 5 figured sum to see you through the so-called rough patches won't exist. The other wrong channel of thought is this idea you have to win several hundred points everyday. When I gave up fulltime work it was because I had been averaging my weekly income for over a year from playing roulette.
Forget about getting rich or winning vast sums everytime you play a session. Anytime you are anywhere near what your day job gives you consistently you have really got something. Always keep in mind we aren't supposed to beat this game period. let alone make a steady income off it.
As people who watch my progress on BV will come to realize overtime. I rarely finish a day/session with the same or less than I started with. You rarely see me take a backward step once I have the measure of something. That will become ever more apparent as I roll into next year.
That is why I could sustain a living from just 2 or 3 grand if I had to. If your mindset is right. And you have the method/s this should be no problem.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 27, 04:01 PM 2012
True, I have read this topic with interest. As I consider myself a semi-professional gambler. In that the majority of my income has come from Roulette over the last 8 years. There are several misconceptions about what is required to make it professionally with this game.
The biggest one being this notion that you need a vast bankroll to do so. Its useful to have one but NOT ESSENTIAL. What is essential is CONSISTENCY. This idea about going long runs without any profit shouldnt exist if your methods are any good. I gave up fulltime work when I had just 3,000 British pounds. Yes you just read right. Why?
Because I knew I could beat this game for as long as I wish to. You should know that as well. Then this need to have some vast 5 figured sum to see you through the so-called rough patches won't exist. The other wrong channel of thought is this idea you have to win several hundred points everyday. When I gave up fulltime work it was because I had been averaging my weekly income for over a year from playing roulette.
Forget about getting rich or winning vast sums everytime you play a session. Anytime you are anywhere near what your day job gives you consistently you have really got something. Always keep in mind we aren't supposed to beat this game period. let alone make a steady income off it.
As people who watch my progress on BV will come to realize overtime. I rarely finish a day/session with the same or less than I started with. You rarely see me take a backward step once I have the measure of something. That will become ever more apparent as I roll into next year.
That is why I could sustain a living from just 2 or 3 grand if I had to. If your mindset is right. And you have the method/s this should be no problem.
So you equal your previous wages gambling. Looking at the systems you use, and the challenge you took with Bayes, you don't make lots quick...you make average amounts over very long sustained periods. How many hours a week?
I work 37 hours a week for a wage which is above the UK average. If that got to 45 or 50 hours a week, I would start to feel I had no time to my self. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
If I know nothing about roulette, i know this much.
You can't chuck £25 chips at the table making £1000 a night. I see this all the time at the casino and later that night...the pony men are on 50p chips trying to win their taxi home.
It would have to be a slow safe drawn out process with lots of personal restraint. Perhaps 10U per hour profit
That means spending a massive amount of your life in casinos, or sat online, to have a steady income. What a life!
Any more than a steady income for your 70 hours a week and you start needing luck. Infact, you would have to divorce the missus and marry lady luck to have any chance.
What kind of "job" is one where you don't know if the boss is going to pay you when you get out of bed in the morning. A job for mugs.
Gambleing is entertainment. Gamblers don't have a HR department or employment law. They are on their own. Loan wolves. If I do well and work hard I get a bonus. If gamblers do really well the casino bans them. Tough Boss!!!
The only thing they have is their utter belief in the fact that they can beat a negative expectancy game. G...A...M...E...... Game....
Just my view....
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Sep 27, 04:50 PM 2012
So you equal your previous wages gambling. Looking at the systems you use, and the challenge you took with Bayes, you don't make lots quick...you make average amounts over very long sustained periods. How many hours a week?
I work 37 hours a week for a wage which is above the UK average. If that got to 45 or 50 hours a week, I would start to feel I had no time to my self. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
If I know nothing about roulette, i know this much.
You can't chuck £25 chips at the table making £1000 a night. I see this all the time at the casino and later that night...the pony men are on 50p chips trying to win their taxi home.
It would have to be a slow safe drawn out process with lots of personal restraint. Perhaps 10U per hour profit
That means spending a massive amount of your life in casinos, or sat online, to have a steady income. What a life!
Any more than a steady income for your 70 hours a week and you start needing luck. Infact, you would have to divorce the missus and marry lady luck to have any chance.
What kind of "job" is one where you don't know if the boss is going to pay you when you get out of bed in the morning. A job for mugs.
Gambleing is entertainment. "Pro"Gamblers don't have a HR department or employment law. They are on their own. Loan wolves. If I do well and work hard I get a bonus. If gamblers do really well the casino bans them. Tough Boss!!!
The only thing they have is their utter belief in the fact that they can beat a negative expectancy game. G...A...M...E...... Game....
Just my view....
Turner
Does your edge beat the casinos edge? If it doesn't,
why would anybody consider becoming a pro gambler.
Turner I don't spend 70 hours a week playing roulette. Maybe 30 at most. You are missing the point. That being once you know you can win luck doesn't figure into it anymore. YOU KNOW YOU WILL WIN. When I play against the game. I don't come there hoping I walk away with a profit. I come there knowing I should. And that's how all confident players who know they have the game beat should feel.
People throw expressions around like Be lucky. Or lady luck is shining on you tonight. LADY WHO??? They don't have that knowing. They haven't done their homework. Once you have its certain you will profit overall. If I say to you I will have at least 50 Euros by years end against BV. I am saying I know I am going to achieve that. If I say I will have at least 300 Euros by September 8th next year. The Anniversary of my start on BV. I know I will. Theres no luck there. The methods work. Theyll be working when I am dead and gone.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 27, 06:35 PM 2012
If I say I will have at least 300 Euros by September 8th next year. The Anniversary of my start on BV. I know I will. Theres no luck there. The methods work. Theyll be working when I am dead and gone.
Now excuse if I have my facts wrong :-[
John you are going to Pi$$ off a hell of a lot of people here if you play and win for a whole year without revealing your method/s which I think you promised to do ?
You give me the impression the winning is more important than making money.
I doubt most people here see it that way!!!!!
gl ;)
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 27, 06:41 PM 2012
Now excuse if I have my facts wrong :-[
John you are going to Pi$$ off a hell of a lot of people here if you play and win for a whole year without revealing your method/s which I think you promised to do ?
You give me the impression the winning is more important than making money.
I doubt most people here see it that way!!!!!
gl ;)
O0
Ddarko I was under the impression they walked hand in hand. Revealing my methods. What do you think I have been doing on here over the last two years. Where were you??
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 27, 06:45 PM 2012
Ddarko I was under the impression they walked hand in hand. Revealing my methods. What do you think I have been doing on here over the last two years. Where were you??
Ok obviously my bad :-[
Have you revealed the method the you are using at BV at the moment ??
if so could you be kind enough to post me the link to the thread :thumbsup:
thxs 8)
O0
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 27, 06:35 PM 2012
Turner I don't spend 70 hours a week playing roulette. Maybe 30 at most. You are missing the point. That being once you know you can win luck doesn't figure into it anymore. YOU KNOW YOU WILL WIN. When I play against the game. I don't come there hoping I walk away with a profit. I come there knowing I should. And that's how all confident players who know they have the game beat should feel.
People throw expressions around like Be lucky. Or lady luck is shining on you tonight. LADY WHO??? They don't have that knowing. They haven't done their homework. Once you have its certain you will profit overall. If I say to you I will have at least 50 Euros by years end against BV. I am saying I know I am going to achieve that. If I say I will have at least 300 Euros by September 8th next year. The Anniversary of my start on BV. I know I will. Theres no luck there. The methods work. Theyll be working when I am dead and gone.
John, let me get one thing clear here...I love reading and I love reading your ideas. I find them intersting and i repect your knowledge, but I cant see where a 30K wage is coming from with little bankroll and 30 hours a week. You said you gave up your job.....and unless you live in a tent rent free and never wash....your systems dont make enough to live on.
You may feel they beat roulette...but the Casino owners will gladly give you 300 euros a year for 30 hours a week.
Thats not beating roulette in my book.
Like i said.....I could stay "up" on the casino yearly if you call being 5u up every week to make 100u yearly. To make a wage...and i want to live in a house and eat and stuff, i would have to start taking risks. And those risks need luck because Im fighting a reality which is 2.7%
Just debating mate.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 27, 06:54 PM 2012
John, let me get one thing clear here...I love reading and I love reading your ideas. I find them interesting and i repect your knowledge, but I can't see where a 30K wage is coming from with little bankroll and 30 hours a week. You said you gave up your job.....and unless you live in a tent rent free and never wash....your systems don't make enough to live on.
You may feel they beat roulette...but the Casino owners will gladly give you 300 euros a year for 30 hours a week.
that's not beating roulette in my book.
Like i said.....I could stay "up" on the casino yearly if you call being 5u up every week to make 100u yearly. To make a wage...and i want to live in a house and eat and stuff, i would have to start taking risks. And those risks need luck because I'm fighting a reality which is 2.7%
Just debating mate.
Turner where do you get the idea I am making 300 euros a year from? My intention is to turn Supermans innitial investment of 20 euros to 300 in a calendar year. The equivalent of turning. A 2000 pound bankroll to 30,000 over the same period. Which is what I've done. I know its not a fortune. But I'm from a working class background. And used to work hard for 15 grand a year. So think that over before you make your next post. Each to their own. If Bv proves fair. I will give Superman 1000 euro of my own money to put in that account. Then Ill show you all some serious stuff. This is a longterm thing. Just watch.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 27, 07:18 PM 2012
Turner where do you get the idea I am making 300 euros a year from? My intention is to turn Supermans innitial investment of 20 euros to 300 in a calendar year. The equivalent of turning. A 2000 pound bankroll to 30,000 over the same period. Which is what I've done. I know its not a fortune. But I'm from a working class background. And used to work hard for 15 grand a year. So think that over before you make your next post. Each to their own. If Bv proves fair. I will give Superman 1000 euro of my own money to put in that account. Then Ill show you all some serious stuff. This is a longterm thing. Just watch.
£600 a week. Not bad. Your methods must be near 100% reliable.why not just double it and turn 4k into 60k. Or treble it for 90k?
Quote from: Turner on Sep 28, 05:18 AM 2012
£600 a week. Not bad. Your methods must be near 100% reliable.why not just double it and turn 4k into 60k. Or treble it for 90k?
They are reliable Turner. I Think you mis-understood somethimg I wrote. When I started 8 years ago. I had a BR of 3000 points. It is a lot more now. And would be huge if I wasn't drawing on it all the time. The thing is greed is dangerous. I always treat this like a business. And look for 5--8% increase on my BR a. Week. I could win a lot more yes. But I always grow at a sensible rate. On that rare occasion I suffer a substantial loss. It won't be too damaging to my overall BR. This is the discipline that separates success and failure.
The average person knowing what I know would go too fast and when they did lose it would damage them mentally as well as financially.
QuoteIf Bv proves fair. I will give Superman 1000 euro of my own money to put in that account. Then Ill show you all some serious stuff. This is a longterm thing. Just watch
do I still get half :xd:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 28, 08:42 AM 2012
They are reliable Turner. I Think you mis-understood somethimg I wrote. When I started 8 years ago. I had a BR of 3000 points. It is a lot more now. And would be huge if I wasn't drawing on it all the time. The thing is greed is dangerous. I always treat this like a business. And look for 5--8% increase on my BR a. Week. I could win a lot more yes. But I always grow at a sensible rate. On that rare occasion I suffer a substantial loss. It won't be too damaging to my overall BR. This is the discipline that separates success and failure.
The average person knowing what I know would go too fast and when they did lose it would damage them mentally as well as financially.
Understood matey. Thanks for the concise reply
Quote from: superman on Sep 28, 08:54 AM 2012
do I still get half :xd:
Absolutely Superman. Your leap of faith is going to pay handsomely over the coming years. That's your reward for sacrificing your account for me to do this. I would also like you to help me set up my own account in the new year. If BV is as fair as its looking. I am going to start making some decent money from it in the new year. Thanks again Superman.
When I first came on here I was what people would say " a compulsive WIN AND WIN QUICK" type of player. Now I realise that when I play I merely only have to win 5 units and I've "won"
Let me define that last "won" ....I am up, no matter if it is small....I've still got more than I had before. That is a mindset you have to get into and realise that the mindset is what will separate those who do make money from roulette and those that chase the get rich quick scheme and are likely to blow the lot.
Reading the different types of systems here I've settled on 2 or 3 that I use
Code 4
matrix 5
sometimes my own "Subbys 6 steps to heaven" method.
I now also keep my bankroll in MY OWN bank account and only deposit what I'd lose in a total loss for the method I'm playing. When I get to my target of units I withdraw the lot (I deposit £16 and play to win a total of £5 = £21 at the end of my session) then I withdraw all of it and leave my account with zero in it. I do this 3 times a day to get me about £15 per day which over a month is £300 which is a decent wad of cash for the nice things in life like meals out or buying myself a new bit of PC hardware, all without having to really dip into my actual job salary money.
I've got a bankroll of about £150 in total but as I'm only depositing £16 each session for 3 sessions a day, that is about £50 a day deposits and withdrawals equalling £65. I do this all the time and if I'm betting and withdrawing on a monday, those monday winnings hit my real bank account on thursday or sometimes wednesday so it's a continuous thing of depositing playing and withdrawing.
I've found that sticking in a bankroll of £100 or more I'm more likely to think I've got loads of units to play with and might try to be too risky and lose it...I know I've done that before I started following this forums methods.
Now I know proper bankroll money management...in that I KEEP MY BANKROLL IN MY ACCOUNT AND DON'T LET THE CASINO HAVE IT ALL IN THEIR COFFERS.
Subby.....and by these methods you keep the balance where losing and winning are not astonomical things. Why is that a sensible approach? because you will encounter both.
never prepare for winning without losing factored in.
I admire someone who knows the 2 are the same. An aspect of gambling.
Why? Well it makes gambling a manageable thing without it spiralling out of control. I win more than I lose. Might not be huge amounts but as the old adage goes...every little helps.
Quote from: subby on Oct 05, 03:14 AM 2012
Why? Well it makes gambling a manageable thing without it spiralling out of control. I win more than I lose. Might not be huge amounts but as the old adage goes...every little helps.
So do you still play Code4? and whats your 6 Steps to Heaven ;D ?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 05, 03:18 AM 2012
So do you still play Code4? and what's your 6 Steps to Heaven ;D ?
Hi mate,
yes I still play code 4, I also play matrix 5 and link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10290.msg92398#msg92398 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10290.msg92398#msg92398)
My own method