Luck is the main reason, luck is not a force, it is something which is a property of random.
The outcome of the wheel, fitting the methods.
In many forums and in some part from people I know (most do not know I gamble) saying you can not win in the "long" run, due to the built in negative expection.
A casino make a lot of money due to unfair odds, which is theire only way to stay in business.
In our life we might success, or have a more common destination. It is a "house edge" in a lot of things we do. If we avoid anything with odds against us, we will not gain much, but still so we can survive, in most cases.
Risks in many other thing, like educate yourself for five years, and your knowledge is obsolete, is harder than lose a bet.
We are in many situations in negative expectations, which is just what it is, the outcome is that we meet.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 25, 11:43 AM 2012
Risks in many other thing, like educate yourself for five years, and your knowledge is obsolete, is harder than lose a bet.
Ralph, I concur.
In the IT field, this is very true.
10 years and you're like a dinosaur!
Ralph]
Good to read you again. I'm working on a way to play THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN so it is very, very strong.
Hope to post on that soon, but I'll test it until I'm very confident.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 25, 09:14 PM 2012
Ralph]
Good to read you again. I'm working on a way to play THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN so it is very, very strong.
Hope to post on that soon, but I'll test it until I'm very confident.
Sam
Sam...i think repeaters are the only "in your face" clue random ever gave us. Mag 7 has a problem for me and its this. It pushes the wrong button in a gambler and that is when to pull out when its going wrong. The bet can get very heavy and drops quick like a lump of concrete. Also it breaks a cardinal rule. Betting the same static numbers over and over. In the grand scheme of repeater bets i think mr j's catch the 8 train fits the purpose far better.
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Sep 26, 03:06 AM 2012
Sam...i think repeaters are the only "in your face" clue random ever gave us. Mag 7 has a problem for me and its this. It pushes the wrong button in a gambler and that is when to pull out when its going wrong. The bet can get very heavy and drops quick like a lump of concrete. Also it breaks a cardinal rule. Betting the same static numbers over and over. In the grand scheme of repeater bets i think mr j's catch the 8 train fits the purpose far better.
Turner
In a blind mechanical method, you can blame the methods, when it fail.
Using methods there the player must take decisions, puts the responsibility at the player.
Repeating number is a property of randomness, you can take any numbers, but you know by taking the last shown seven, they at least shows.
It is not very static, you normally end the session in less than 37 spins.
In hundreds of sessions I got some RFH, the winnings have catch up the losses.
I put 1000 units on risk, and gain between 100 and 500 a session.
Then to stop is sometimes hard to decide, but if it hits and I am plus I continue long, until three
losses in a row.
Up to now it has performed very well. Use it at least 10 times a day.
Hi Ralph;
When you choose the last 7 numbers do you keep those numbers for 37 spins or add the last hit number and remove the number from 8 ago after each spin ?
You must also play a progression right ?
Thanx;
iggy
I keep the seven last numbers until I stop, start over new last numbers then on some plus.
If I win early and the hits coming I can go until the streak stops, three loss for example.
The progression is add one at a hitting number. This makes in a winning streak the most hit numbers higher stakes.
The stop/loss is up to the player, but it is better to use small units and many.
With 10 Euro and 0.01 chips it is possible to gain 50-300 units a session, or lose them all.
Rare lucky streaks can win 1000.
If less than 1000 bankroll, do not try.
What happened to the other half of the replies in this thread?
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CARNabby,
WOW. With those 2 links can the board stomach it? you gave them the whole enchilada.
Tamino
Take it outside, school boys. ;D
Skakus,
?
Tamino, you say Bayes has been exposed?
I'll show you exposed. I actually have a picture of Bayes and I'm going to post it on the forum. I'll probably get into trouble but so be it.
But no, I don't have a problem at all Tamino. I just don't see the point of all the bickering and waging of verbal wars amongst like minded people.
Anyway I'll post the picture of Bayes which will expose him once and for all!
Bayes exposed >>>
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Hey, "?"
Are you sure that isn't Victor?
Quote from: GARNabby on Sep 26, 09:10 PM 2012
Are you sure that isn't Victor?
LoL
I would never go shirtless.
Quote from: VLS on Sep 26, 10:13 PM 2012
I would never go shirtless.
Whom do you think Bayes is holding?
Some of you may not know how to open your own threads!
Quote from: GARNabby on Sep 27, 10:50 AM 2012
Whom do you think Bayes is holding?
hehe, my "making fun of" mode stops at myself ;)
Quote from: VLS on Sep 25, 12:24 PM 2012
Ralph, I concur.
In the IT field, this is very true.
10 years and you're like a dinosaur!
At the extremes, a formal education doesn't fade, or become obsolete; but a part of who we become. Like an old Canadian man (, my father,) whose early childhood's first language was German, will subconsciously forget himself and blurt out broken German expletives at times of distress. Aristotle called this sort of thing a "second nature"; another philosopher, a "blossoming". Each of which, one's life's vicissitudes or turning-points, hinging and revolving on the others.
And as much as the "dynamic familiarities" of internet, casino, etc, seem to change... not much really ever becomes of any of that. No critical benefits, promotions or degrees of any kind. More like a non-activity, which inhibits, and interferes with, the true creative, and then reified, productivity.
"There are [ultimately] no overnight success stories", "we are what we eat [, even from the "tree of knowledge", LoL,] and "good things [do] come to they who wait"... none of which may be "taken from us", or even cast to the side by us.
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A few of the basic reasons that i find your own experience a bit puzzling, sad, and a shame.
"The wife", as i always seem to put it, had her own fundamentally-bad experiences with such a limited education. And it peeks through for also her in times of distress, more in terms of "the fetal position" types of gestures, etc... ultimately-less philosophically-rounded, i supposed.
You know, we're all basically of the monkeys, etc, but the idea is to rise above that sort of thing by just that.
Quote from: GARNabby on Sep 27, 10:50 AM 2012
Whom do you think Bayes is holding?
I'm the one being held.
GARNabby,
Is English your first language?
Just asking...
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 27, 12:20 PM 2012
I'm the one being held.
GARNabby,
Is English your first language?
Just asking...
I talk whatever, you should know that by now.
Yes it's possible to win , but the odds of doing so are set against you more than you think.
Winning and winning consistently are 2 different planets.. Yes you can win but to win consistently no. A definate no....
me thinks the poor win goal / stop loss ratio plays a major role.........if having a fairly consistent winning strategy one ought to attempt win heavely so when losing maybe still be ahead....if we win at least half of stop loss per section and win 3 out of 4 sections we could be winning long term.....there should already be strategies able to do this, lose 20 out of 80 section....would still be ahead
vundarosa
***********Yes you can win but to win consistently no. A definate no....********
I wouldn't tell that to Ralph, Mr J, FLATman, Jl or Victor. They might not even stop winning long enough to hear you.
TwoCat
can you consistently win 1% of your total bankroll per day?
1% a day,not worth going to a B+M Casino for less than 10%.
Got to be (1) Live Dealer (2) Place all bets AFTER the Dealer has spun the ball.(just my Paranoia)
Regards,
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 28, 02:44 AM 2012
1% a day,not worth going to a B+M Casino for less than 10%.
Got to be (1) Live Dealer (2) Place all bets AFTER the Dealer has spun the ball.(just my Paranoia)
Regards,
Dino.
so is it possible/doable?
Quote from: Kingspin on Sep 27, 07:57 PM 2012
Yes it's possible to win , but the odds of doing so are set against you more than you think.
Winning and winning consistently are 2 different planets.. Yes you can win but to win consistently no. A definate no....
Kingspin that is the general perception. That isnt the reality for those who know how to win consistently. Do you know the difference? A man who doesn't know how to win consistently will romance negative thoughts and hang on old flawed beliefs about this game. I was once among them.
Once you have proven to yourself that winning consistently is not only possible but you make it happen day to day. You will not hear of such talk again. Several years from now maybe sooner for some, I will have proven that point to many.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 28, 12:47 AM 2012
***********Yes you can win but to win consistently no. A definate no....********
I wouldn't tell that to Ralph, Mr J, FLATman, Jl or Victor. They might not even stop winning long enough to hear you.
TwoCat
ABSOLUTELY Sam. For some the mind cannot be altered. As old habits died hard. Old beliefs die even harder.
Quote from: marvin on Sep 28, 01:59 AM 2012
can you consistently win 1% of your total bankroll per day?
That is relative to the size of your bankroll. If you have 25k. And you win 1% a day are you going to be disappointed? I wouldnt be. If you have 250 points. You will start slowly and build up there is no other way. You run it like a business.
With my challenge on BV, I am not just trying to show that I can win longterm. I am trying to show other members how you grow in proportion to your BR. One of the biggest mistakes in this game is letting greed and impatience get the better of you. And that often comes at a hefty price. When you do eventually lose it can and does destroy your confidence. And once your mind is damaged. You become a bitter sceptic. And outcast from success with this game.
From there on your role is to ridicule and warn off anyone with a positive attitude. And you spend the rest of your existence in the wrong frame of mind. I've seen this many times. Its on this forum too. That's why I have taken it upon myself to show instead of talk of beating this game. In the longrun some positive mind changing will result from it. And that's got to be a good thing.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 29, 01:46 PM 2012
Several years from now, maybe sooner for some, I will have proven that point to many.
-> Only the sort who already believe in you.
-> + As to the ones who still don't, well, you'll repeat something like, "For some the mind cannot be altered. As old habits died hard, old beliefs die even harder."
-> = Endless loop to, and from, nowhere.
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Relativistically speaking, we're all moving... but we're not all "getting somewhere". (Just made that up. But posterity is for the dead, even the universally-recognized sort.)
To that end, i'll return again in a couple of months, maybe at the Xmas break. Too much new and interesting work "on my plate" until then.
Quote from: GARNabby on Sep 29, 06:27 PM 2012
-> Only the sort who already believe in you.
-> + As to the ones who still don't, well, you'll repeat something like, "For some the mind cannot be altered. As old habits died hard, old beliefs die even harder."
-> = Endless loop to, and from, nowhere.
_________________________________________________
Relativistically speaking, we're all moving... but we're not all "getting somewhere". (Just made that up. But posterity is for the dead, even the universally-recognized sort.)
To that end, i'll return again in a couple of months, maybe at the Xmas break. Too much new and interesting work "on my plate" until then.
Why you even bother to come to this forum is what most people on here wonder. You obviously have no interest in the game. You mock and talk down to members. As if you think you are some superior intellect.
WISE IS THE MAN WHO REALIZES HE CAN NEVER KNOW IT ALL. Take that onboard and you might really learn something.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 29, 06:40 PM 2012
Why you even bother to come to this forum is what most people on here wonder. You obviously have no interest in the game. You mock and talk down to members. As if you think you are some superior intellect.
Can't do the real work and have the real fun with the gambling message-boards at the same time. The two activities are mutually-exclusive. (You'll have to ask Bayes for the remainder here, he's the one who summarily deletes most of my stuff.)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 29, 06:40 PM 2012
WISE IS THE MAN WHO REALIZES HE CAN NEVER KNOW IT ALL.
The positivists (, scientists, et al, from another era,) believed firmly in the notion of doing just that. Open up your mind; at least, don't let a couple of centuries of (our sort of) thinking make the final determination on that.
Besides, that quote (by another, of course,) has little to do with every one being just as able to know something specific. But what i said above, well, that's a "two stepper", LoL.
P.S. Tomorrow's the start of a new week. A good time to think and do the same.
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link:://:.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/positivism (link:://:.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/positivism) for some positivists' quotes.
Quote from: GARNabby on Sep 29, 07:32 PM 2012
Can't do the real work and have the real fun with the gambling message-boards at the same time. The two activities are mutually-exclusive. (You'll have to ask Bayes for the remainder here, he's the one who summarily deletes most of my stuff.)
The positivists (, scientists, et al, from another era,) believed firmly in the notion of doing just that. Open up your mind; at least, don't let a couple of centuries of (our sort of) thinking make the final determination on that.
Besides, that quote (by another, of course,) has little to do with every one being just as able to know something specific. But what i said above, well, that's a "two stepper", LoL.
P.S. Tomorrow's the start of a new week. A good time to think and do the same.
Its little wonder Bayes is on your case. You talk jibberish, dodge straight anwsers. And still make no contributon to the forum. Other than making people realize you are one arrogant person.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 29, 07:41 PM 2012
Its little wonder Bayes is on your case. You talk jibberish, dodge straight anwsers. And still make no contributon to the forum. Other than making people realize you are one arrogant person.
Bayes is his own "case".
No one talks "jibberish" but they who can't spell it. ("G", as in Garnabby.)
Didn't dodge you!
You may perceive me as you wish, but don't speak for everyone, much less the majority of persons who never bother with this stuff, LoL.
Quote from: GARNabby on Sep 29, 07:47 PM 2012
Bayes is his own "case".
No one talks "jubberish" but they who can't spell it. ("G", as in Garnabby.)
Didn't dodge you!
You may perceive me as you wish, but don't speak for everyone, much less the majority of persons who never bother with this stuff, LoL.
Bother with what? Make sense for once. State clearly what you are referring to. This is why you are not welcome here. You offer nothing. Talk down to members and wrongly asume youre some higher being who knows best
.
I' have met your kind before. Theres nothing real in there. You are cold.
I'm with you JL.
That last sentance was such a TELLING description.
Regards,
Dino.
so if every body agrees that 1% per day is possible/doable.
and lets say you have $1000 BR today it will be
1st Year: $37,783.43
2nd Year: $1,427,587.91
3rd Year: $53,939,174.05
4th Year: $2,038,007,240.74
5th Year: $60,044,441,381.48
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Hi Marvin.
1% of 1000 = 10 @ 365 = 3650 in 1st year.
Best Regards,
Dino.
hi dino,
try to compound your winnings per day something like this
Day Deposit: Intrest: Int earned: Balance:
1 $1,000.00 1% $10.0000 $1,010.00
2 $1,010.00 1% $10.1000 $1,020.10
3 $1,020.10 1% $10.2010 $1,030.30
4 $1,030.30 1% $10.3030 $1,040.60
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or probably down the excel sheet uploaded by MXkid77 via the link above
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 30, 04:43 AM 2012
Hi Marvin.
1% of 1000 = 10 @ 365 = 3650 in 1st year.
Best Regards,
Dino.
Very achieveable if you have the right method and mindset. I took 3000 points to over 30,000 in a calendar year. That's a 10 fold increase. Its more than doable. What you do is attempt to increase by 5---10 percent a week on your TOTAL BR. Not your starting BR.
So if you start with 1,000 points. You are looking for 50--100 a week. When you have 10,000 points you are looking for 500--1,000 in a week. Its always relative to your overall BR thats how its done.
In other words COMPOUND IT !!!
All the BEST to you BOTH Marvin and John.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 30, 05:16 AM 2012
In other words COMPOUND IT !!!
All the BEST to you BOTH Marvin and John.
That's right Dino many thanks.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 30, 05:16 AM 2012
In other words COMPOUND IT !!!
All the BEST to you BOTH Marvin and John.
nope... in other words discipline as what john previously mentioned.
hehehe yeap compounding ... just like what Einstein said “Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it ... he who doesn't ... pays it.â€
Is it possible to win.....yes i think so.
A few years ago i used to take £40 a night to play Columns only (before all this electronic stuff was about).
I only tried it for 5 nights and made a clear profit of £105.
Now £105 does not sound much but i wanted to prove to myself that a PROFIT however SMALL,could be achieved EACH night/session.
I think the whole exercise took a MAX of around 60 Spins each session.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 30, 06:13 AM 2012
Is it possible to win.....yes i think so.
A few years ago i used to take £40 a night to play Columns only (before all this electronic stuff was about).
I only tried it for 5 nights and made a clear profit of £105.
Now £105 does not sound much but i wanted to prove to myself that a PROFIT however SMALL,could be achieved EACH night/session.
I think the whole exercise took a MAX of around 60 Spins each session.
Profit is profit Dino no matter how you go about getting it. So long as you maintain a sensible growth in relation to your BR. If you have something any good its going to work.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 29, 07:53 PM 2012
Bother with what? Make sense for once. State clearly what you are referring to. This is why you are not welcome here. You offer nothing. Talk down to members and wrongly asume youre some higher being who knows best
.
I' have met your kind before. Theres nothing real in there. You are cold.
The not making sense is deliberate, he can make sense when he wants to. It's all part of the passive-aggressive behaviour like not answering a straight question and going wildly off-topic on subjects which show how supposedly superior he is.
QuoteAmbiguity (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguity) or speaking cryptically: a means of creating a feeling of insecurity in others or of disguising one's own insecurities. Wikipedia - Passive-aggressive behaviour
His idea of fun is to mock, belittle and deride the whole purpose of this forum, even though he plays baccarat and claims to win at it, which makes him a hypocrite too.
I haven't said anything to Steve yet, but if it continues he's going to get banned.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 30, 08:23 AM 2012
The not making sense is deliberate, he can make sense when he wants to. It's all part of the passive-aggressive behaviour like not answering a straight question and going wildly off-topic on subjects which show how supposedly superior he is.
His idea of fun is to mock, belittle and deride the whole purpose of this forum, even though he plays baccarat and claims to win at it, which makes him a hypocrite too.
I haven't said anything to Steve yet, but if it continues he's going to get banned.
lol....I havnt tracked back in this post to when John said this...and no name is mentioned...but its Garnaby isnt it...lol
Ive been working on my mind reading act.....
I believe in hard data from empirical studies.
When Ralph posts his screen shots of BV, I believe it.
When Bayes says what Jl is doing can't be luck, I believe him.
When Superman says Jl is not cheating, I believe him. (Superman never lies!)
And I sure believe in what I'm seeing with THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN.
Sam
Looking at the title of this thread It Is Possible To Win is inspiring. It is difficult to keep your enthusiasm toward games of chance because of the negative payouts and the nature of randomness. Gamblers need positive reinforcement, even the best of us because no one knows what's happens next (except God of course.)
Thank you Ralph (and others) for believing there is money in Roulette :)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 02, 01:03 AM 2012
Looking at the title of this thread It Is Possible To Win is inspiring. It is difficult to keep your enthusiasm toward games of chance because of the negative payouts and the nature of randomness. Gamblers need positive reinforcement, even the best of us because no one knows what's happens next (except God of course.)
Thank you Ralph (and others) for believing there is money in Roulette :)
There always was Proof. The problem isn the game its the mind playing it. Once the mind is right with a half decent method. This game is more beatable that you would ever realize. Having absorbed all the theory on a game of negative expectancy. Expert advice to do this and do that. 99% of humans will walk away with the feeling there is no point in even trying.
If someone asked a man what he did for a living and his repsonse was "I PLAY ROULETTE". How many people would take him seriously? Very few if any right? that's the nature of the human mind. We flock with the crowd, we don't want to feel left out. Only those who do that will go to there grave believing something that just isnt so. Namely, that the game of Roulette is impossible to beat over the long haul.
I know otherwise as do others. Its my job to now open a few more minds over the coming years. So that it becomes a little better known that it can be beaten. Lets see how that pans out say a year from now. I know people are waiting for me to cave in at some point. They expect it. When the collapse doesn't come. Maybe a little more open mindedness and enthusiasm will. We shall see.
I'm very starter with roulette, but I inclined to opinion that it could be beaten (in meaning 1% of BR/day for example).
But I see the problem in casino limitation (max. bet, table limits). This is the barrier in making the 1% of bigger BR, I think.
What do you think about it? Does anyone have experince with hitting the table limit and the plan crashed even the bet method was good? I don't have "martingale problem" in my mind.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 10:55 AM 2012
QuoteThe not making sense is deliberate, he can make sense when he wants to. It's all part of the passive-aggressive behaviour like not answering a straight question and going wildly off-topic on subjects which show how supposedly superior he is.
His idea of fun is to mock, belittle and deride the whole purpose of this forum, even though he plays baccarat and claims to win at it, which makes him a hypocrite too.
I haven't said anything to Steve yet, but if it continues he's going to get banned.
LoL....I havnt tracked back in this post to when John said this...and no name is mentioned...but its Garnaby isnt it...LoL
I've been working on my mind reading act.....
LoL. If 5% actually seek help for their gambling problems, and 5% of they that do actually find help (, though, like alcoholism, there isn't really a cure,) then, i guess that leaves the other 399/400.
P.S. See all in another couple of months. Too much life to live to sit on boards like this, lol.
Quote from: GARNabby on Dec 03, 05:14 PM 2012
LoL. If 5% actually seek help for their gambling problems, and 5% of they that do actually find help (, though, like alcoholism, there isn't really a cure,) then, i guess that leaves the other 399/400.
P.S. See all in another couple of months. Too much life to live to sit on boards like this, LoL.
Garnaby...what in gods name does what you just said, actually mean? Are you using an English online translator?
It doesn't make any sense what so ever.
Better stick to "mind reading", there, Mr T... it can mean whatever makes you feel good.
False revelations of greatness are as comforting as the true ones.
Quote from: GARNabby on Dec 03, 05:45 PM 2012
Better stick to "mind reading", there, Mr T... it can mean whatever makes you feel good.
False revelations of greatness are as comforting as the true ones.
??? nope....didnt get that either