Ralph
If you object to this, I'll take it down.
Using BVNZ, use a dummy bet to get a number.
17 bet on it
7 bet on both
8..bet on all three
8 bet two units on 8
and so on until you have a total of seven numbers bet. Some may have two or three chips on them.
Then.............
Bet three more spins and if you don't get a hit, repeat the process.
and on
and on
and on............(It's a grind!)
It works for me!
Thanks, Ralph.
Oh, I quit at around 300 units.
Sam
Sam....tried this last night at the casino with 50p chips. I risked £40
I really enjoyed it..and Ill tell you why.
It stops me getting distracted, and its a dicipline. Also, its a repeater, and I believe that repeaters are the way. Numbers repeat. its a no brainer.
I lost £30...then in 3 spins got back up to £40 or so.
5 did it with 2 chips on.
was there from 7-30 till 10-30 and played this all night. Really enjoyed the fact it was working.
Actually, I left £30 down but I stopped at that because I felt it was a good night for £30. I watched on as 28 came out (3 chips) then 10 (2 chips) LoL. I would have left with over £100.
I don't care....it was great fun
Do me a favour.....have a play with this.
first number is Odd....only use odd numbers. Mag 7 rules but Odds only. Same if first number is even....evens only.
This was even.
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Sam!
Work on it, it is good to try to improve. I think it can be better, not in winning, but to reduce the risks involved. I have made good from it, but if I have got my losses in a row, it would be hard.
If we do some changes, to make it safer, it does not matter much, if the winnings should decrease,
a normal phenomena in all what we do.
Turner
When I get time, I'll try that.
Ralph
I am sure I've had really good luck with this idea. It just seems to have a small draw down and I like that.
Sam
WOW!
Had the 1,000 penny run from Heaven. #14 hit six times and several others hit twice.
Ralph posted some fantastic screen shots of how much he's won.
Believe it or not!
Sam
Sam!
I read the post late last night, it is a time difference. I have told in earlier posts the stop is up to the player.
The three loss in a row after seven units is more safe, if you get hits and still not want to go too far, you can stop any time after three losses on the seven numbers, or three losses in a row on them.
I will test it today, think the risks are lower, as the RFH is virtually eliminated, and we should probably win more than we lose, with just a bit of luck.
I did 308 spins, forgot to count the number of trials using the method, should be around 20.
I stopped after I got seven numbers, and three losses in a row.
Most of the trials stopped by a small loss or break even, a few had good hit rate and well compensate for the others. The plus is 175 units.
I will try it this way more. I use to push harder, and I have won more, but last week I got heavy losses, 70% of the last weeks winnings in very short time. I talk about 10000.
With Sam's suggestion about stop loss, the downdraw and accumulated bad runs will put the
bank down slower, and a good run will easy win back.
As allways in straight up betting, the swing in the play is greater, a good run can catch back the previous losses even if it should be hundreds.
A total loss run cost 42 units, a loss with one hit a few less or more. A winning streak can
gain 50 to several 100.
I started with 1000 units, the lowest in all the spins was 874.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 27, 04:46 PM 2012
Ralph
If you object to this, I'll take it down.
Using BVNZ, use a dummy bet to get a number.
17 bet on it
7 bet on both
8..bet on all three
8 bet two units on 8
and so on until you have a total of seven numbers bet. Some may have two or three chips on them.
Then.............
Bet three more spins and if you don't get a hit, repeat the process.
and on
and on
and on............(It's a grind!)
It works for me!
Thanks, Ralph.
Oh, I quit at around 300 units.
Sam
Hi Sam,
If you get a hit within those 3 spins, do you just complete that three and then restart?
Regards,
M
I understand it so Sam stops after three losses in a row. That's the way I do my tests I report here.
I did 249 more spins. Most of the sessions was loosing. Went down max 350 from the highest.
A few good ones made it to plus 298 in those 249 spins.
It has good recover rate. A losing streak will follow with a winning, and as we stake more at hitted numbers, the recover rate is high.
This is something I did recommend before (stop after three losses in a row), to reduce the risks, but not used. I won a lot using higher risk, but it was for a while. Now I conside to try make it safer. The risks and gain/loss comes together.
132 more spins using stop/loss after three losses. 376 plus. Downdraw not too heavy, lost most of the trials, but the winnings gave so it could catch up.
Sam / Ralph,
Do your numbers move or is it just the first seven spun until you hit 10 spins?
Ralph do you take the loss after you come up empty in 10 spins?
It will be ten spins if no hit, a loss of about 40 units, yes I take that, and start over.
If I hit the on any of the three spin using seven numbers, I continue for more three, if no hit stop, you can stop as well if you hit and are decent up, and want to keep that, and quit.
I got 937 plus in this, 496 spins, most were loss due to stop/loss. A few got winnings to catch up.
I saved the spins this time, and if I got a bit brave, the outcome would be 3923. It comfirm with the risk and win/loss if you want to be safe take the 937 or go for 3923 with a greater risk to lose 10000, which should be the required bankroll, I was this time down 800 from last high at most.
Starting with just losses, and when the hit streak begins (hit on five chips) the recover was in a few spins and the total winnings on six chips was mainly due to double hit on 12 hosting 5 and six chips.
I have won a lot taking bigger risks, but it was LUCK(will not last?), and it is still LUCK, to keep my winnings I play safer, to know when the Lady disappoints me.
Safer gains less lose less, risky gains much or lose much, up to the player.
Maui
The way I'm play is three losses in a row. If I have two losses and hit on the third, I now have three new chances.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 28, 09:22 AM 2012
Maui
The way I'm play is three losses in a row. If I have two losses and hit on the third, I now have three new chances.
Sam
Yes that's the way I understand it, I did not that way before, but mention it in one of my posts.
This time I got very good hits, in 189 spins it went to 1576 plus. Still most losses due to stop.
Small losses and some with very good hit rate. After a bad streak it comes a better!
If you stop, and start over, and your number from last starts hitting, you are automatic there, to a smaller stake, but still there.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 28, 09:45 AM 2012
Yes that's the way I understand it, I did not that way before, but mention it in one of my posts.
This time I got very good hits, in 189 spins it went to 1576 plus. Still most losses due to stop.
Small losses and some with very good hit rate. After a bad streak it comes a better!
If you stop, and start over, and your number from last starts hitting, you are automatic there, to a smaller stake, but still there.
@Ralph Have you tried to play with a target and a stop loss for each session?
BR: 1000 units
Target session: 100 units
Stop loss: 200 units?
Thanks,
I test the stop loss now due to advice from Sam and a bigger loss. It is not easy to have a win target in this method. As long it is hitting, the winnings are increasing much, as the hitting numbers get higher bets. The stop loss after three losses bets are about the same as a winning target, you decide the streak is over, you stop even if you have won.
As the method will only stop as a decision, not by it self, it is to the player to judged.
Did 423 more spins 423 units plus, as before most gave small losses and a few add it up.
This method id not at all 100%, but with some help of Lady Luck you can win for long time.
I have got more than I could think from it.
This reminds me of a similar system, named omega2000. I followed it a bit on french foruns.
It is funny how the numbers will not repeat for a long time. Then they start repeating.
I lost 400 units (pennies) today and just quit. I play four sessions seeking 100 units each and won all four.
I am putting 200 pennies in BV and seeking to win 100. Last time I did it in about thirty spins or less.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 28, 04:38 PM 2012
It is funny how the numbers will not repeat for a long time. Then they start repeating.
I lost 400 units (pennies) today and just quit. I play four sessions seeking 100 units each and won all four.
I am putting 200 pennies in BV and seeking to win 100. Last time I did it in about thirty spins or less.
Sam
Yes it is that make all decisions hard. A few sessions have a lot of repeating numbers, and we have to gain as much we can there. Today I made some winnings, most of the sessions I stop without any winnings, but the other which were fewer gain so all went plus.
Some luck is needed, the method will never make it alone, a stop can be the saving but also
lost opportunity to win, we never knows.
600 behind is in this method not very much, it is recoverable if a good streak will come, I got
today a very good hit rate on a few numbers, the other were just one in stake, the hitted grow
to four and six, a hit on six chips is nice.
Sometimes then all seven numbers are hitting, the cost of the last three losses can eat up the
plus. Know to stop in time is not easy, but allways better to win less than lose much.
Ralph
After it's all said and done, I've never seen anything with the hit rate this has. Just won another 100 units with a 43 unit draw down. From there it was all good.
Had too much good luck today. Better quit.
Going to "Brother Love's Travelin' Salvation Show" tonight.
Sam
Sorry but im little confused here or should i say stupid
i don`t understand how and when you raise the bet and maybe little more practical explanation
thank you
Many thanks for this startegy.
I wait for 10 numbers that have not repeated and then start betting.
Paulus
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 28, 05:37 PM 2012
Ralph
After it's all said and done, I've never seen anything with the hit rate this has. Just won another 100 units with a 43 unit draw down. From there it was all good.
Had too much good luck today. Better quit.
Going to "Brother Love's Travelin' Salvation Show" tonight.
Sam
Sam many congratulations. I really like the look of this one. A while back you made a quote about something being close to the Holy One. If ever there was for the inside. You have it with this one. I contemplated the repeater phenomenon before. You have fashioned it into a nice playable method. Making randoms natural flow work for you. I am pretty sure you have presented to the forum a real roulette killer. Stay with it, and lets see the naysayers humbled. Welldone...
I would love to take credit for this, but everything I'm doing I read in Ralph's threads. When he said he'd made 14,000 with it, I thought I'd better take a look.
Sam
Ralph is right........AGAIN! :thumbsup:
I just started with seven and let 'er run. I doubled my 800 unit bankroll. Got a slew of hits and then I quit.
It all goes back to that "gambler's intuition" winkle spoke of. You can't play on scared money, but you have to use some sense.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 01, 01:55 PM 2012
Ralph is right........AGAIN! :thumbsup:
I just started with seven and let 'er run. I doubled my 800 unit bankroll. Got a slew of hits and then I quit.
It all goes back to that "gambler's intuition" winkle spoke of. You can't play on scared money, but you have to use some sense.
Sam
Congratulations Sam!!!
We all wait for such runs, I got my initial bankroll, to be able to go for 0.1 and 0.5 after some
lucky runs. Take care and stay with pennies until 20000 units. Let it take its time, gather experience with the method, later then you can go for 0.1. And 0.1 is a LOT of difference.
Good Luck Sam!
Thanks guys. Like this a lot. Repeaters are the way to go.
Woods
Hi guys,
forgive my stupidity please but could Ralph or Sam show a little example with this one. I am not sure I have it right? Do you increase your bets at all after you loss. Sorry just confused.
This is how I understand it.
Spin 1 - 4 Bet on 4
2 - 17 Bet on 4+17
3 - 3 4, 17, 3
4 - 28 4,17,3,28 etc etc
5 - 29
6 - 31
7 - 35
Then comes 33, 33, and 34. But you count this as a loss as 33 wasnt in your initial 7.
So then you start a whole another game starting at 1 bet on .. for another 7 numbers.
Anyhoo, if someone can explain as i havent had much luck with it and not sure if playing it correctly.
Cheers
MuppetMan
That's the way I was playing it, but Ralph says to stick with it longer.
Sam
Sam
I stick to it longer in SOME cases, in other I chicken out fast, the gut tells!
To night I did a play which took a bit more than a hour, 341 spins, so I took my time to decide how to go on, or stop. It is five restarts in this play. I used 0.1 chips and come up over 1000 units.
The drawdown were 220 units.
To night it is much repeaters (and sleepers) if we get the right numbers it works smoth.
1 1/4 hour more playing, the last for today (ooops it is aleady past midnight).
Quote from: Ralph on Oct 02, 06:24 PM 2012
To night it is much repeaters (and sleepers) if we get the right numbers it works smoth.
1 1/4 hour more playing, the last for today (ooops it is aleady past midnight).
Impressive !
How are you playing mate?
Sam idea?
Quote from: Jointu on Oct 02, 06:38 PM 2012
Impressive !
How are you playing mate?
Sam idea?
Yes M5 that's why its posted here.
Quote from: Ralph on Oct 03, 01:47 AM 2012
Yes M5 that's why its posted here.
M5- only 5 numbers?
Please detail more.
Thanks
No seven numbers, I wrote the wrong number, working on M5.
Hi Ralph.
Just a little bit confused. (sorry).
In the image you have chips on 16 and 5.
I cannot see where 16 comes into it, it is not even on the board ( last 20 numbers) as a recent number.
Have you been playing those 7 numbers for over 20 spins?
And finally 3 chips on number 1 and 3 chips on number 34
Does that mean you have had 2 previous wins on those numbers and with each win you added one more chip?
Thanks.
Arthur.
Quote from: artattack on Oct 03, 05:29 AM 2012
Hi Ralph.
Just a little bit confused. (sorry).
In the image you have chips on 16 and 5.
I cannot see where 16 comes into it, it is not even on the board ( last 20 numbers) as a recent number.
Have you been playing those 7 numbers for over 20 spins?
And finally 3 chips on number 1 and 3 chips on number 34
Does that mean you have had 2 previous wins on those numbers and with each win you added one more chip?
Thanks.
Arthur.
Yes I add a chip on winnings, but I start all over from one chip when I decide so.
The chip one 16 has hit but not won, as I start with one on the last number and add up to seven.
This is the picture of then I stop,it is several restarts in all those spins.
It can be many spins before a restart, a downdraw of 300 is not so scary, as a hit on a number a few times recover fast 35,70 and 105.
Please read the posts not only mine in this subject, my not native English may make some not clear.
I do misstakes and sometimes forget to add, bet wrong number, bet two by misstake, but I do not think it is in the picture.
Dear Sam / Ralph,
A couple of questions. Ok, I work my way up to betting seven numbers and now I have three final bets left, lets assume that all three bets lose. Do I begin my new count with the number that came out on the tenth spin or the number that came out on the eighth spin ? Question 2. In the above scenario, instead of losing, lets say on the eighth spin I have a winner, do I make the last two bets (spin 9 and spin 10) or do I stop on a win ? Or, do I continue to bet until I lose three in a row ?
Thank You,
RouletteStar AKA Good Karma
Star
Ralph is the one who has used this successfully, so I should let him answer.
Sam
Quote from: RouletteStar on Jan 23, 12:33 AM 2013
Dear Sam / Ralph,
A couple of questions. Ok, I work my way up to betting seven numbers and now I have three final bets left, lets assume that all three bets lose. Do I begin my new count with the number that came out on the tenth spin or the number that came out on the eighth spin ? Question 2. In the above scenario, instead of losing, lets say on the eighth spin I have a winner, do I make the last two bets (spin 9 and spin 10) or do I stop on a win ? Or, do I continue to bet until I lose three in a row ?
Thank You,
RouletteStar AKA Good Karma
It is not so a method is mechanical to 100%, try in fun and you will after a while see which suits you and the bankroll used. Or use the bot set a win target and a stop loss for every session. Run tests until until you see which is best for your risk/reward,
Is there by chance a tracker around for that method ?!?
I'm still trying to figure out the progression for each bet and number set......
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 23, 06:22 PM 2013
Is there by chance a tracker around for that method ?!?
I'm still trying to figure out the progression for each bet and number set......
Ray
I can not see you need a tracker, you use the numbers as they come, start bet the last number and when you have seven in play you use them. The progression is simple, add a chip on a number when it hits. Stop when you are on plus, go so far you dare.
If number 13 is the last number bet on 13.
If the next is 22 bet on 13,22
so on until 7 numbers in play.
If any number you play hit, add a chip to that number next spin.
It suits best for on line with a good bankroll, and if it is lower value chips it is not so much to risk, sometimes the gain is so good as the 0.01 stakes become 100 Euro. Be careful not start using high value chips if you do not want to risk a larger bankroll. The method can recover from hundreds of drawn down in a few spins.
There are some using it live, using higher chips, and they know they would not win most of the time, but if it goes their way, it can be a large win.
The method is in my bot, which is free for all to use, You can test using the bot in fun mode at BV.
I have no idea if luck plays a part, or winning can be consistent.
I applied 60 spins at Genting Highlands Casino live spin, initial balance was 1000 and went up to 1660 and stopped.
Each bet credit at $10.
I noticed in a set of 10, u require 49 units of capital, if you hit only one in that set, u make a minimal loss.
To make a profit u need to hit at least 2 nos, that will give u profit of 72-49= 23 units.
the results are like this:
XXXXXXXXXX -49
XX1XXXX1XX+23
XXXXXXXX1X -13
XX1X1XXXXX +23
XXXXXX1X1X +23
XXXX1XX1X1 +59 TOTAL +66units
there is a possibilty that u hit nothing in a set and that came in my early game, and i thought i am finished!
Well, luck picks up soon and i have a feeling that after 10 non hits, the higher probability to hit comes.
Earlier someone said to jump in only after 10 non hits. and that might boosts your chances and hitting in your first 10 bets.
Thank you Sam/Ralph
i am having great success with this system again in the casino. 3 days game of 1-2hour each
with 3000 units profit, starting with 2000 bankroll. each bet is 10 dollar.
what i like is i have a great limits to my loss per bet, at most its 490 dollar for 10 games at 10 dollar each unit.
i further reduced my exposure by skipping the 8/9/10th bet, saving 210 units per set of 10 games.
its worth it, although u see it open once or twice in the last 3 bets, but
overall if u skip the last 3 games in the set, u still save more than if
you would bet.
Sam, its really good and it deserves more people winning from this.
noting.I still play this now and again when the dealer spins right. I made double br recently. Never continue the game into a new dealer. Stop and watch a while. This is worth remembering.also...dont look at the last 7 and play them if they are unique. Even if the last 3 are unique. Always start with 1...no matter how tempted ur
Sam, its really good and it deserves more people winning from this.
Bear in mind, I only named it. Ralph invented it.
Sam
Many thanks to Ralph ,the inventor of this system.
On my final day in the casino, i would like to highlight
that there were a run of 25 games with no repeaters.
and another run of 18-25 games with no repeaters.
My bankroll was drained to the lowest, and this is the
time when you should bite the bullet, and follow on if u
do have an impressive bankroll, otherwise one can just
wait it out about 2hours i would say.
Following the drought of no repeats, the wheel went crazy
and churn out heaps of repeaters, they were like 3 out of 10,
2 out of 10, 3 out of 10, 3 out of 10, some stupid numbers
were like 32,23,23,32.....
This is the time for fast recovery, get ur profit target and leave the
casino.
never chase ur bets on progression.
do not be tempted/distracted by outside bets
never tire yourself out, get ur target and leave.
turner,
thanks for your pointing out never continue
into new dealer,
i did observe that some dealers do not throw repeaters in
their first hour, after they get tired like everyone is in the casino,
repeaters just appear themself, and sometimes amazed the dealer
that threw the pinball too.
i saw a very tired and late for work dealer came on duty and the way he
threw the ball was listless n lack of spin, turns out no repeaters.
but after the 2nd hour, afte he warmed up, lots of repeaters came
Was at the casino yesterday with the missus.
I noticed that 8,16,and 22 had repeated so I played them .
I intended to play Magnificent 7, but as I was winning on this I kept an eye on it.
I never played M7 because all the repeats were over 9 or 10 spins. None in the last 7.
In other words, It would of killed me if I had played.
What I am saying is not to play M7 as you sit at the table. You can see if its a good idea or not from the marque.
I think this is the way to play anyhow. See whats happening first. It wil continue for a small oppertunity then go.
hello guys
i think it is only responsible for me to come back and say
thay any system will work only if you catch the
train at the right time.
For real casino, if you go often enough, you will notice obvious
dealers signature.
i died under a newbie dealer that spin no repeaters in the M7 range
til she gets off the table.
On another occasion, an indian lady dealer spin four times 10 & 20 within the
M7 ranges.
so while repeaters are hot, bang on it.
when a dealer change, i presume it is arranged by the
casino that the two of them have so different spins,
play with caution. it is better to take a rest and come
back in few hours.
Wise words
M7 is a one trick pony in many ways. Roulette does those kinda thing often but it also does many other things too. Not repeating in 18 for example. The jury is out wether or not the dealer influences this . Thats another science.
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