A - - - A
A - A
A
A - A
A - - - A
The "As" are whatever--dozens, columns, or ECs. Notice how they form an X? Bet against that happening. The -s do not matter; they are just the next spin.
Got it?
It'll make millions!!
Sam
Sam....any notes on the history of this...where why how etc.
Turner
Just on dozens In 10300 BVNZ spins
L Prog 1 Cash -2 Peak 0
W Prog 1 Cash -1 Peak 0
W Prog 1 Cash 0 Peak 0
W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 0
W Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 1
W Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 2
W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 3
If you lay it out in a line, which is how it would look in an array or history line, you are betting against the last A being hit, so
if 1 = 5 AND 1 = 7 AND 1 = 9 AND 1 = 13 AND 1 = 17 AND 1 = 19 AND 1 = 21
then spin 3 more spins and bet that 1 wont be the same, is that you idea Sam are you waiting for 7 As' to line up then bet against the last one forming ?
A - - - A - A - A - - - A - - - A - A - A - - - A
I think Sam's bumped his head again. ;D
i think we have to go with every single letter and see whats most profitable :twisted: :twisted:
It's just something I thought of that my wife might play. She has the guts of a government worker!
Have not tested or tried it or thought of a progression.
It goes A wait wait wait A wait A A A wait A wait wait wait A. Random would break it's neck trying to beat this!
Sam
Sam,
I had this tested last November for dozens, didn't make it, also the same pattern horizontally diagonally and vertically, didn't make it.
Looked into pyramids as well for ECs with JL, remember??
Tomorrow I am going to post 1 of 2 methods which were proclaimed to be longterm winners in 2009 and in 2003. One method is fully explained the other is not. I will post the explained one first. You might remember the 2009 one as it is from the VLS forum but was not given much attention.
Should be interesting.
I'm looking forward to those.
Sam
Seriously now--do you think the wheel could ever produce that X? Maybe once in a blue moon.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 25, 01:01 PM 2012
A - - - A
A - A
A
A - A
A - - - A
The "As" are whatever--dozens, columns, or ECs. Notice how they form an X? Bet against that happening. The -s do not matter; they are just the next spin.
Got it?
It'll make millions!!
Sam
I don't get it Sam?
What are we trying to do here?
Let's use the dozens as an example. Are you saying we note what dozen shows up for the first position A, then bet against that dozen showing up in the second position A, so on and so forth until we win or the X is completed?
You do realise that would mean an 8 step progression on the double dozens, and all to win 1 unit?
Are you serious or taking the pi$$ out of another recently posted system? ;D
Why not just learn to read random and then bet? No systems involved. Only thing that works, sometimes.
/M
The post was a bit of a spoof.
I don't believe in reading random. I'd have to see it to believe it. No offense.
TwoCat
Better and safer is to wait until the X repeat 5 times with this sequences in four gaps.
- .... .. ... / .. ... / .- / -... .-.. --- --- -.. -.-- / .--- --- -.- .
(. is any EC, - is any Dozen,/ is any street),
Then bet on the 99th coming spin 2 chip on each any number.
progression 1,21,81,247.
It works great in the mind until....... the whell begins to spin.Then WHO has the last laugh??? The rake of the croupier.
The problem is some of you just don't understand the X!! I'll bet money has been made all over the world since I posted it. You people must learn to think out of the box!
TCH
ok sam here is thinking out the box....you have dozens commin for example....1,1,2,3,2,2,3,1 what you do is write down them like this...write firs one which is 1,right above you write second one 1,then 60 degree of second one you write third one and 60 degree of third one you write fourth one and then fifth one goes above where you wrote the second one and you keep signing them as they come .....then you can see how every branch of the star goes and make your own decision when and what to bet
2
1
1
3 2
...................always the same
" think out of the box "message" if one knows it will not and can never work. Same cliche plus add that it`s played " All over the world" to make musical chairs more acceptable.
Amateur hour at it`s finest.
It was tongue-in-cheek, people. It was humor.
I said it was a spoof. Must I explain further?
Good grief!!
Think about it!!
;)
How do I get out of the box so I can start thinking about it?
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 26, 11:36 AM 2012
How do I get out of the box so I can start thinking about it?
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With that many posts under your belly you should know by now what is fact and what is wishful thinking.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 26, 03:44 AM 2012
I don't believe in reading random. I'd have to see it to believe it. No offense.
Then look at this. Perhaps it will be easier to see if you know what to expect from it?
Nathan Detroit convinced me to make it simple. This is what I expect to see when I
read randomness. I have given sequences of spins meaningful characteristics.
1. I expect to see any characteristic occur.
2. These trends continue until they end.
3. These trends often come in groups of other similar traits.
I wonder Sam, if you can be taught to see at least see that much? Because just seeing
that much is only going half way.
Gizmotron and Nathan
This thread was meant to be a parody of sorts on how unrealistic it is to expect a pattern to form or not form. I see people bet "Ts" on the layout all the time. Or any other letter......
However, if there is something to be learned here, I will listen and study.
I'll give your last post lots of thought. That's the best I can do.
Sam
Sam, I could ask for no more than that at a discussion forum. I want to explore
the combination of a moving target combined with reading randomness. If
sleeping dozens were the moving target then a stretch of singles, including
all three groups in the dozens, these singles would be a great opportunity
to avoid a sleeping dozen. It happens. I believe that a four step grand
martingale used on when a sleeping dozen will occur, for an example, and
also using conditional randomness to decide exactly when to attempt it might
turn out to having interesting results.
Tow Cat Sam
Just to clarify something.
Nathan Detroit ( aka Tamino)does not endorse any system or method. During a discussion at another message board he hinted to Gizmo just to keep the explanations very simple to avoid any misunderstandings.
Just like in this case just concentrate on the dozens. I hope I made myself perfectly clear.
Tamino aka Nathan Detroit
A while back I explored a form of conditional trigger based dozens where the
trick was to use a fixed rule. It involved waiting after dozens stopped repeating.
On the outset it looks good. But it fails. I believe it fails because it uses a fixed
rule, a non-moving target.
Sam, have you ever seen a sleeping dozen in a chart? Would you be able to
see one at a quick glance, in a single second or less?
There's an example of one in this thread:
link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=18732.msg136133#msg136133 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=18732.msg136133#msg136133)
Sam, I did not tune in here just to curb your interest. Please tell me how to show you?
Sorry, I've been on Dublin playing the G.U.T. Will have a look at that link you posted.
I'll be back...
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 26, 10:58 PM 2012
Sorry, I've been on Dublin playing the G.U.T. Will have a look at that link you posted.
I'll be back...
Sam
Real play always take priority over discussion.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 26, 11:36 AM 2012
How do I get out of the box so I can start thinking about it?
Tom, do you know nothing? First you have to think inside the box and work out how to get out the box. When you are outside the box, start thinking. Its not rocking horse science!
Turner
I'd like to know how we got in the box in the first place? ???
how about we consider A as the the dozen and bet against that dozen coming in x pattern shown by TCS here.... for example below
lets consider A as dozen 1
Now we bet against dozen 1 by betting one unit on dozen 2 & 3 each only in the A's as shown by TCS which again i have added below....
A - - - A-
-A - A-
A
-A - A-
-A - - - A
- - are just spins where we wait
Since i chose to bet that dozen 1 will not come in the A's above i backing 2 & 3 exactly during A's....
We can use Flat_ino's progression +2 on a loss and -1 on a win or else TDM 2 dozen progression
with 1-1, 3-3 and recovery with 2-2, 4-4.... let me know i need feedback..... i have not tested :-X
Random vs. "random"
When you collide two randoms in the casino what might happen?
Where that opposed energy will go after collision?
Maybe you wouldnt like to play with so much energy on opposite sides? :)
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Oct 27, 01:12 PM 2012
Random vs. "random"
When you collide two randoms in the casino what might happen?
Where will that opposed energy will go after collision?
Maybe you wouldnt like to play with so much energy on opposite sides? :)
Number one, forget about expecting anything. Using random with random can
be highly profitable. If you are experiencing a run of red numbers you can also,
at the same time, experience a run of odd numbers. If you combine those then
you are only playing nine numbers. Sometimes these combinations include ten
numbers. If those things continue then you can even bet big on those high or
low combinations. That's four or five numbers. There are other ways than that too.
You can bet on the odd numbers from two dozens or two columns. It all comes
down to reading the current conditions.
Truth be told, this randomness stuff, this following trends, it doesn't work. It never did. It never will. It's always been mathematically impossible. Don't waste your time.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Nov 07, 01:27 PM 2012
Truth be told, this randomness stuff, this following trends, it doesn't work. It never did. It never will. It's always been mathematically impossible. Don't waste your time.
What has happened gizmotron? It is not like you to say following a trend is a waste of time. I am curious now.
bob.
Quote from: ugly bob on Nov 07, 01:34 PM 2012
What has happened gizmotron? It is not like you to say following a trend is a waste of time. I am curious now.
bob.
I'm going underground and I don't wish to discuss this topic anymore. I'm just
baiting the nay sayers as I go. 4 more years of Obama calls for it.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Nov 07, 05:15 PM 2012
I'm going underground and I don't wish to discuss this topic anymore. I'm just
baiting the nay sayers as I go. 4 more years of Obama calls for it.
Good luck with that!
Hope to see you on the other side of the 4 year long tunnel. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Gizmotron on Nov 07, 05:15 PM 2012
I'm going underground and I don't wish to discuss this topic anymore. I'm just
baiting the nay sayers as I go. 4 more years of Obama calls for it.
You should ask obama to remove the double zero on roulette :twisted: i guess romney would have reluctantly agreed LOLZ :wink: