The following is a method created by Iboba from the VLS forum back in September of 2009. I came across one of his posts in which he mentioned that recently a longterm winning method was released but was neglected. I did some searching and found that he was actually referring to a method he had released himself.
I hope this time we will take a serious look at this. The method description is below but you will have to read through the thread to understand everything completely. It is not long at all.
IBOBA'S H G
As have pointed earlier that I believe that the base
of this method is long run winning bet or simply
method H G ..............BASE BET;3 columns should alternate
at the start before start playing.
--Always follow last 2 columns with corresponding colors,ex;
--columns 1-2 + black......3 bets
--columns 1-3 + red.........3 bets
--columns 2-3-without a color.....2 bets....ex;
4
17
32.....trigger for playing next bet on columns 2-3.....1 unit each/unit 5 chips/
16.....trigger for playing next bet on columns 1-2 + black...1 unit each
24.....trigger for playing next bet on columns 1-3 + red......1 unit each
This is a base bet......When you lose 1 unit.....rise next bet for 1 chip on all bets.
When you lose 3 units...rise your next bet for 3 chips.
When you win 2 units..reduce your next bet for 2 chips.
--Actually it's a flat bet in units,but it only requres balanced chip progression.
--Whenever you win in balanced chip mode,put that win aside and forget about it,
as these chip winning will be your win at the end of night session play.
---There are some more tweaks to this bet,of which will talk about after some
of you guys test this on the longer basis....say several full sessions of about 450 spins.
I did personally tested it,am playing it presently,but would like you to do so,as thatway
we can continue discussing this matter further.
Just to remind you this is one of the most leveled bets I found in roulette combos.
...................................................Cheers Iboba (link:://vlsroulette.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif) (link:://vlsroulette.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Thanks for posting this oldie but potentially goodie method.
It is still unclear exactly how this is played. My assumption is this:
After you have 3 alternate columns appear in last 3 spins, then the betting commences as follows:
You bet the last 2 columns to appear, not the last 2 columns spun. If you have a column repeat then the last 2 columns spun would be the same column, therefore no bet? So that is why I assume it is the last 2 columns to appear?
The bet selection would be:
If the last 2 columns to appear are 1 & 3 then bet 1 & 3 & Red
If the last 2 columns to appear are 1 & 2 then bet 1 & 2 & Black
If the last 2 columns to appear are 2 & 3 then bet 2 & 3 (no Colors)
Is this your understanding as well??
Nick
Nick
I understood it to be 3 unique columns; one of each. A B C B C A C B A C A B etc.
He uses the numbers 4, 17 and 32--all unique.
Is he still around?
Sam
Thanks, Victor.
I don't get it.
4......col 1
17.......2
32.......2
Why would you start betting. The columns have not alternated.
What if you lose two units?
Sam
Sam, the numbers should be 4, 17, 33 (not 32).
I read the old posts and I believe he admitted to making a typo.
Nick
You can ask F_Latino about this one. I know he made a complete investigation ;)
/M
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 28, 11:49 PM 2012
Nick
I understood it to be 3 unique columns; one of each. A B C B C A C B A C A B etc.
He uses the numbers 4, 17 and 32--all unique.
Is he still around?
Sam
Sam old boy,
Now am sure that you starting forgeting things,as you where participating in creating
that method in Compas SECRET SECTION,and only Lanky was thinking that column 1/2 should
be with red,while column 1/3 with black.....after many testings prevailed 1/2 black,1/3 red 2/3
only columns without a colour.......it is hard to lose with this one.
FLATman
Yes, I've forgotten more than I ever really knew!!
Still, what do you do if you've lost two units? Go up how much?
Sam
So, is it a continuous play method?
Or, after a win wait for a new trigger of 3 unique columns?
:o
Is anyone testing or playing this method?
Does anyone understand the staking?
Also if we get a L and it provides a new trigger, do we go with the new trigger or stick with the original bet?
Hi
I understand everything here. In the past I tested with Flat many of his published methods, including this one.
Maybe I can see If I can dig his some of the sheets for this, I think I still have them. Will it be easier if you see presentation over some spins?
Drazen
that would be great Drazen! this one looks promising
need some clear rules ,, anyone sure on it?
Here it is.
Flatino was holding this as one of his strongest weapons. He said he lost 2 or 3 times in 5 years playing, but because he run out spins (time) for that day.
Hope this explains the rules and staking plan a bit more.
Good luck
Drazen
I've tried some methods of flatino. ...may he rest in peace. ...
They didn't really worked out that we'll. But then again most methods don't.
Drazen what is your experience with this ? As in how much you tested it ? Profit ? Loss ? Etc...
I respect the man
he really wanted to help
I admire that
No doubt ...I respect him as well
They didn't really worked out that we'll. â€" Hm..hm.. This is the part where Flatino would probably disagree... But why?
Denzie I see you came here in 2014, so not sure did you read Flatinos earlier posts and ideas? He was very long on forums. There is more to Flatinos approach then taking a method and expecting to win under few hundreds of units so blindly... I ll try to explain.
He was one the most passionate players I know. His passion was one of the reasons I fall in love with this game. He was inventing, testing and sharing his ideas all the time.Even when he went into 7th decade of his life. Amazing. And as RG says, he was respected because of that from many members. He was also a croupier for almost 30 years, so no one knew casino environment better then him. When he wasn't working, he was playing, and like that all his life. That way he find his luck only with 7th wife ;)
Although not too complex his game philosophy was very demanding, in couple of aspects. And most of people would say he is he crazy for doing it, but it worked for him. It was bringing him some money and most important, happiness.
He wasn't type of player who was waiting in the ambush to strike. He was betting there all the time. And he was very well prepared. Both mentally with patience and persistence and with number of chips on the table. He was standard equipped with 4000 units for the session, and he was simply playing until he didn't ended in satisfying plus. Sometimes it meant playing for 7 days in a row from first till the last spin on the same wheel. It is well over 2 thousands of spinsÂ... Can you imagine all that? Amazing isn't it? It was with his bet RO vs. BE.
He was also advocating often method switching during the game. Few spins with one, if things didn't turned good, he switched to another one and so on. I think that is what Bayes calls don't put all your eggs in one basket.
He knew all his methods by heart, and he had capability to track performance of few methods simultaneously in his head and when he spotted that one method is doing good he would picked it.
He was also raising his bets in cycles, usually of 7 or more spins. Such way nicely presented you could see with one also sadly deceased member :(;, Great Grampa, also an expert of his kind.
So in order for Flatinos methods to be properly tested I think they should be considered in above context. But such way isnt for everyones taste, understandably :)
Best
Drazen
im still having a hard time understanding how hes playing......the more i learn the stupider i get!!!
Thanks for your help and input with this Drazen.
yes Drazen has always been more than helping --bravo
some more clues on Flats or Ibobas's semi-HG ,,, if I can put enough info together to be sure im betting right I will test further:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10507.0
Yes Tom, so far the info is a little vague.
Looking on the sheet it gives us
2 2
27 3
31 1 trigger no problem with that, but then it says 1 + 3 + black. I thought 1+3 went with red?
19 3 trigger - is this a typo as 19 is column 1? Then it says 1 + 3 + red?
Really not sure how to play it yet. If Drazen's looking in, can you explain?
Cheers.
Tomla and ewarwoowar, dear friends
Sorry it is hectic these days in my life and I was a bit distracted for a few days but I ll try to help again
The rules are pretty simple, you always bet last two different columns with corresponding color of the last spin except in case when you have columns 2 and 3 where you bet only columns without color.
So it means there are only 3 possible betting scenarios:
columns 1+2 + last color
columns 1+3+ last color
columns 2+3 without color
There are few unintentional mistakes in the sheet dough. Sorry about that I wasnt checking it before uploading the sheet.
Lets take example from the beginning in the sheet I uploaded:
2 -column 2
27 -column 3 -here we should actually bet columns 2&3 without color(look at the rules above )so this is missing in the sheet
31 - column 1 here we got column 1 and we bet last two different columns( numbers 31 and 27) and corresponding color of the last spin, so we bet columns 1 and 3 + black color (number 31)
19 - column 3 so again look at the last 2 different columns ( 1 and 3) + last corresponding color, red (number 19)
18 column 3 - again last two different columns are 3 and 1 + last color, red (number 18)
And so on..
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Drazen
Ah darn. Slight mistake and editing time run out, just spoted. But it doesnt change much. Flatino was doing it on the fly, so sorry about that.
19 - column 1 not 3, so again look at the last 2 different columns ( 1 and 3) + last corresponding color, red (number 19)
Maybe you can show few spins how you got it and lets see if you are doing it right?
now i think i have it Drazen---sorry to bug you---you must be up to here trying to find work resumes etc....
big thanks!
there is a website with this
how does it do?
whats the website?
wont let me paste it
says bad language
so i separated it
link:://:. r o u l e t t e - b e t . c o m / 2 0 1 5 / 0 5 / 4 - b e t t i n g - s y s t e m s - o n - d o z e n s - a n d - c o l u m n s . h t m l
As have pointed earlier that I believe that the base
of this method is long run winning bettor simply
HG..............BASE BET;3 columns should alternate
at the start before start playing.
--Always follow last 2 columns with corresponding colors,ex;
--columns 1-2 + black......3 bets
--columns 1-3 + red.........3 bets
--columns 2-3-without a color.....2 bets....ex;
4
17
33.....trigger for playing next bet on columns 2-3.....1 unit each/unit 5 chips/
16.....trigger for playing next bet on columns 1-2 + black...1 unit each
24.....trigger for playing next bet on columns 1-3 + red......1 unit each
This is a base bet......When you lose 1 unit.....rise next bet for 1 chip on all bets.
When you lose 3 units...rise your next bet for 3 chips.
When you win 2 units..reduce your next bet for 2 chips.
--Actually it's a flat bet in units,but it only requires balanced chip progression.
--Whenever you win in balanced chip mode,put that win aside and forget about it,
as these chip winning will be your win at the end of night session play.
---There are some more tweaks to this bet,of which will talk about after some
of you guys test this on the longer basis....say several full sessions of about 450 spins.
I did personally tested it,am playing it presently,but would like you to do so,as thatway
we can continue discussing this matter further.
Just to remind you this is one of the most leveled bets I found in roulette combos.
Cheers
Iboba
EXAMPLE:
12---c3
8----c2 next bet 1u on each of c2 & c3
15---c3 win. repeat previous bet........................................................W 1 UNIT W 1 CHIP
13---c1 loss. next bet is on c1 & c3 & red - but should this be 6 units? ....L 2 UNITS L 2 CHIPS..next bet
2--...1 un.col.1--1un.col 3 + 1 un.red + 2 chips on each bet L 3 UN. L 6 CHIPS..next bet
35--1 un.col 1--1-un col 2 + 1 un. black + 3 chips on each bet W 2 UN. W 6 CH..next bet same-ch.2x3
1....................Egal......and so on....think it's enough to grasp this.
9
14
10
6
24
6
33
4
12
20
32
23
11
33
--when lose rise as many as you lost on all next events...BUT IN CHIPS
--base bet is in units 1 unit= 5 CHIPS
--therefore in starting bet units,allways flat bet,but rising and reducing in chips.
b
Here is the original thread explaining how to play: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10507.msg95709#msg95709
and thanks to Drazen and RG for the info
Yes, thanks again Drazen for your input.
It looks like the wait for 3 unique columns rule isn't important. I'll test and report back.
Cheers.
Quote from: MarySimpson on Jun 07, 08:51 PM 2016
Here is the original thread explaining how to play: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10507.msg95709#msg95709
Thats 8 names now.
Peabe65 or nothing
Remember.....each time I ban a new name....more of your ip addresses get banned.
Last chance.....Peabe65 or I ban that too.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jun 08, 02:31 AM 2016
It looks like the wait for 3 unique columns rule isn't important. I'll test and report back.
Well yes. Flatino was practicing this at the start of every method, first waiting that all elements appear. But if you think about it, it really doesnt make any difference in the end.
Cheers
Quote from: Turner on Jun 08, 03:08 AM 2016
Thats 8 names now.
Peabe65 or nothing
Remember.....each time I ban a new name....more of your ip addresses get banned.
Last chance.....Peabe65 or I ban that too.
Well...it seems that has kicked in. Peabea is not banned per se, but Mary Simpson ban has banned Peabea on IP address.
Thats the way it goes if you multi-name
Quote from: Drazen on Jun 08, 04:10 AM 2016
Well yes. Flatino was practicing this at the start of every method, first waiting that all elements appear. But if you think about it, it really doesnt make any difference in the end.
Cheers
How much have you tested this Drazen, Flatino seemed to have a good idea of what he was doing. He did also seem to have the patience of a saint.
Quote from: Drazen on Jun 07, 06:05 PM 2016
Tomla and ewarwoowar, dear friends
Sorry it is hectic these days in my life and I was a bit distracted for a few days but I ll try to help again
The rules are pretty simple, you always bet last two different columns with corresponding color of the last spin except in case when you have columns 2 and 3 where you bet only columns without color.
So it means there are only 3 possible betting scenarios:
columns 1+2 + last color
columns 1+3+ last color
columns 2+3 without color
There are few unintentional mistakes in the sheet dough. Sorry about that I wasnt checking it before uploading the sheet.
Lets take example from the beginning in the sheet I uploaded:
2 -column 2
27 -column 3 -here we should actually bet columns 2&3 without color(look at the rules above )so this is missing in the sheet
31 - column 1 here we got column 1 and we bet last two different columns( numbers 31 and 27) and corresponding color of the last spin, so we bet columns 1 and 3 + black color (number 31)
19 - column 3 so again look at the last 2 different columns ( 1 and 3) + last corresponding color, red (number 19)
18 column 3 - again last two different columns are 3 and 1 + last color, red (number 18)
And so on..
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Drazen
Thanks! Is this worth coding? Think it will win in the long run? How does progression work?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 09, 05:46 AM 2016
Thanks! Is this worth coding? Think it will win in the long run? How does progression work?
Hi Falkor
Well I honestly doubt this will win in the long run if we just take it as it is.
Maybe you should read my reply #19 in this thread to get a better thought how Flatino was playing.
So he was playing with monstrous bank and often method switching if things didnt turned out good. I dont know can one simulate such way of playing on PC ???
Cheers
playing the way suggested Drazen --mini sessions come out ahead so far
What about staking, Tom?
just been doing as said: up 3 units on a loss of 3 units, up 1 unit on a loss of 1, down 2 units on a 2 unit win
Quote from: Drazen on Jun 09, 06:19 AM 2016So he was playing with monstrous bank and often method switching if things didnt turned out good.
Yes any roulette player,will be able to do this, providing they have methods that are easily tracked with the marquee, like PCWB