Here is an idea I thought about after reading the CHALLENGE FOR ALL THREAD.
This idea also bets the splits. One of the differences is that I am going to use the dozens and columns to work out the bets.
You always leave out the furthest back dozen and column and the splits that belong to them.
You would be left with dozen 2 and 3 if dozen 1 was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18.
You would be left with dozen 1 and 3 if dozen 2 was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,2,3,4,5,6,13,14,15,16,17,18.
You would be left with dozen 1 and 2 if dozen 3 was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You would be left with column B and C if column A was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 2,5,8,11,14,17,3,6,9,12,15,18.
You would be left with column A and C if column B was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,4,7,10,13,16,3,6,9,12,15,18.
You would be left with column A and B if column C was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,4,7,10,13,16,2,5,8,11,14,17.
The splits to bet on will come from these groups however you will not be betting on all of them.
Here is a quick game just to show how it all works out.
NUMBER SPLIT DOZEN COLUMN
16. (7) 2A
2. (2) 1B
You can see here how the furthest back dozen is the 3 and the furthest back column is the C.
This immediately wipes out 10 splits which would be 3,6,9,12,13,14,15,16,17,18.
There are only 8 splits left which are 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11.
The 2 and 7 splits have already shown and so you bet these 2 only.
13. (7) 2A
That was a win.
I would chart this the same way FLAT charts the splits. This means crossing out the furthest back.
You can do this with the splits, dozens and columns.
16. x xx
2. (2) 1B
13. (7) 2A
The next bet would just be a repeat of the last betting splits 2 and 7.
16. x xx
2. (2) xB
13. (7) 2x
28. (13) 3A
The bet lost and now the new furthest back dozen is the 1. The furthest back column is still the C.
This again wipes out 10 splits which are 1,2,3,4,5,6,9,12,15,18.
There are only 8 splits left which are 7,8,10,11,13,14,16,17.
The 7 and 13 have already shown and so you bet these 2 only.
16. x xx
2. (2) xx
13. (7) xx
28. (13) 3A
24. (12) 2C
The bet lost and the furthest back dozen is still the 1. The new furthest back column is now the B.
The 10 splits wiped out are 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,11,14,17.
There are only 8 splits left which are 7,9,10,12,13,15,16,18.
The 7, 12 and 13 have already shown and so you bet these 3 only.
16. x xx
2. (2) xx
13. (7) xx
28. (13) 3A
24. x xx
24. (12) 2C
The bet won and the furthest back dozen is still the 1 and the furthest back column is still the B.
Playing it the way I have shown is maybe a good way to play because you are always starting with just a few chips.
It could be a good way to take advantage of the rule of the third.
Another way to play would be to wait until you had a certain total of splits which would mean more coverage.
Or you could reset every time the bet exceeded 3/4 splits. The choice is yours.
The one thing you know for sure is that there can never be more than 8 splits to choose from for your bet.
You will always have 10 splits wiped out leaving only 8 left.
bob.
A quick game.
NUMBER SPLIT DOZEN COLUMN
11. (5) 1B
21. (12) 2C 3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 5,12.
---------------------
11. (5) xB
21. (12) 2x
3. (3) 1C 3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 3,5,12.
-------------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. (3) 1C
23. (11) 2B 3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 3,5,11,12.
-----------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. (3) 1x
23. (11) xB
19. (10) 2A 3c missing leaves 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11. bet 10,11.
---------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. (3) xx
23. (11) xx
19. (10) 2A
12. (6) 1C 3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12. bet 3,6,10,12.
--------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. (3) xx
23. (11) xx
19. (10) 2A
12. x xx
12. (6) 1C 3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12. bet 3,6,10,12.
--------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. (3) xx
23. (11) xx
19. (10) xx
12. x xx
12. (6) 1C
34. (16) 3A 2b missing leaves 1,4,13,16,3,6,15,18. bet 3,6,16.
------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. x xx
23. (11) xx
19. (10) xx
12. x xx
12. (6) xx
34. (16) 3A
6. (3) 1C 2b missing leaves 1,4,13,16,3,6,15,18. bet 3,6,16.
-------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. x xx
23. (11) xx
19. (10) xx
12. x xx
12. (6) xx
34. (16) xx
6. (3) 1C
13. (7) 2A 3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12. bet 3,6,7,10,12.
---------------
11. (5) xx
21. (12) xx
3. x xx
23. (11) xx
19. (10) xx
12. x xx
12. (6) xx
34. (16) xx
6. (3) 1C
13. x xx
13. (7) 2A 3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12. bet 3,6,7,10,12.
---------------
11. (5) xx
21. x xx
3. x xx
23. (11) xx
19. (10) xx
12. x xx
12. (6) xx
34. (16) xx
6. (3) 1x
13. x xx
13. (7) xA
24. (12) 2C 3b missing.
35 splits bet over 10 games. 4 wins returned 72 units.
bob.
not bad at all
a tracker for this would be greatly time saving
will give it a go and see how it turns up
Hey, that is a great idea soggett. That would be much appreciated.
bob.
Just so you don't get me wrong, I don't know how to make trackers
or I would have made one for almost every system here :D
it is a bit complicated to track, got to get the hang of it I guess
we'll see how it goes
Quote from: soggett on Nov 11, 02:37 PM 2012
Just so you don't get me wrong, I don't know how to make trackers
or I would have made one for almost every system here :D
it is a bit complicated to track, got to get the hang of it I guess
we'll see how it goes
ok soggett. I think it is not too hard to track with pen and paper.
bob.
Quote from: ugly bob on Nov 11, 02:59 PM 2012
ok soggett. I think it is not too hard to track with pen and paper.
bob.
It get's easier ;)
what do we do with zero?
just tried it out, +15 in 10 spins, one zero
also in next 3 spins are 2 zero's so that's why I ask
edit:
I attached a little tracker to make things easier, its an excell sheet where you input numbers and it shows you what dozen, column and split the number belongs to
hope it helps a little
Great! Thank you soggett. :thumbsup:
Unfortunate that there is not much we can do when 0 appears. I just ignore it for this.
Next game.
33
9
12
13 3b missing. bet 6,7.
5 3c missing. bet 2,7.
14 3c missing. bet 2,7,8.
6 3a missing. bet 2,3,6,8.
17 3a missing. bet 2,3,6,8.
11 3a missing. bet 2,3,5,6,8.
27 2a missing. bet 2,3,5,6,15,18.
13 1b missing. bet 7,15,18.
24 1b missing. bet 7,12,15,18.
18 1b missing. bet 7,9,12,15,18.
7 3b missing. bet 3,4,6,7,9,12.
18 3b missing. bet 3,4,6,7,9,12.
14 3a missing. bet 2,3,5,6,8,9,12.
18 3a missing. bet 2,3,5,6,8,9,12.
5 3a missing. +8.
14 games. Played 64 splits. Returns 72.
Not as good as the last game with a drawdown of -20 at one point.
Restarting once 12 original splits appear should keep the average bet to less than 4 splits.
bob.
Next game.
6
4
31 2b missing. bet 1,3,16.
1 2b missing. bet 1,3,16.
8 2c missing. bet 1,5,16.
32 2c missing. bet 1,5,16,17.
34 2c missing. bet 1,5,16,17.
28 2c missing. bet 1,5,13,16,17.
23 1c missing. bet 11,13,16,17.
27 1a missing. bet 11,15,17.
2 2a missing. bet 2,3,5,15,17.
17 3a missing. 2,3,5,8,11.
2 3a missing. +15.
10 games. Played 39 splits. Returns 54.
Tested 34 games.
Played 138 splits.
Returns 198.
+60.
Of course this is just a drop in the ocean.
My tests could be purely beginners luck.
Maybe someone can improve it or it might bring new ideas.
Please post your results.
bob.
Bob...Ive not seen this exact idea before.
Thats a start.
...will run this tomorrow.
Thanks for the idea.
Why do i like it?
It deals with the moment.
Turner
"I would chart this the same way FLAT charts the splits.", he said.
hmmmmm
If you truly understand how FLAT charts the splits, would you please explain it to me. I've racked my brain for three solid days.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 11, 06:17 PM 2012
"I would chart this the same way FLAT charts the splits.", he said.
hmmmmm
If you truly understand how FLAT charts the splits, would you please explain it to me. I've racked my brain for three solid days.
Sam
Sam.....it involves Uncles, Aunties, and a cousin we dont talk about
turner
A game just played at Smartlivecasino.
8
28 2c missing. bet 5,13.
19 1c missing. bet 10,13.
9 3b missing. bet 6,10.
4 3b missing. bet 1,6,10.
7 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,10.
34 2b missing. bet 1,4,6,13,16.
27 1b missing. bet 10,13,15,16.
17 1a missing. bet 8,15.
0 1a missing. bet 8,15.
17 1a missing. bet 8,15.
31 1c missing. bet 8,10,13,16.
17 1c missing. bet 8,10,13,16.
7 3c missing. bet 1,4,5,8,10.
15 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,9,10.
7 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,9,10.
4 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,9,10.
24 3b missing. +16.
16 games. Played 56 splits. Returns 72.
bob.
Good luck with the testing Turner. It would be great to get your views.
Sam.. I am just crossing out the furthest back for the dozens and columns. I would also cross out the furthest back split with this if I had a fixed set of splits like FLAT does using 9 splits. I noticed FLATMAN was around today and I hope he can explain in more detail on his thread.
bob.
There are a few things worth mentioning after testing this some more.
Keep the games to around the 15 spin range unless you are on a winning run of course. This should keep the average splits bet to 4.
Where it falls down is if you play continuous spins and one of the furthest back dozens or columns keep hitting.
I played a game with 20 spins and was betting 6 splits on each game at the end.
The furthest back dozen or column appeared 8 times in a row. It left me -50 at the end of the 20 spins.
What happens then is that the splits that came earlier do appear but you are not on them.
You can avoid this by keeping the games short.
Another idea could be to slightly increase the bets after a win. Keep doing this on consecutive wins.
Revert back to level stakes after a loss.
bob.
The next game ran as smooth as silk.
23
33 1a missing leaves 8,9,11,12,14,15,17,18. bet 11,18.
27 1a missing leaves 8,9,11,12,14,15,17,18. bet 11,15,18.
14 1a missing leaves 8,9,11,12,14,15,17,18. bet 8,11,15,18.
4 3c missing leaves 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11. bet 1,8,11.
20 3c missing leaves 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11. bet 1,8,11.
12 3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 8,11,12.
17 3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 8,11,12.
23 3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 8,11,12.
14 3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 8,11,12.
30 1a missing. +45.
9 games. 27 splits. Returns 72.
These good sequences come along in the sea of randomness every now and then.
Playing through the bad sequence in the last game would have took the profits away from this game. Of course you could get 2/3 bad games in a row. That just makes it even more important in my eyes to learn when to cut a bad game short. There was 4 wins from 5 spins in this batch where you could have slightly raised the bets.
You can afford to do that when the average bet is just a handful of splits.
bob.
bob
I'm trying to get my head around this. Looks interesting. I will post some questions soon.
I totally don't understand it!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 12, 09:29 AM 2012
bob
I'm trying to get my head around this. Looks interesting. I will post some questions soon.
I totally don't understand it!!
Sam
sam
The last few examples are done in shorthand.
The full explanation is in the first 2 posts. Fire away with any questions.
bob.
U.B.
I think my "TwoCat-FLATman Redneck 9 v 9 Magnetic Tracker" will also work for this. I'll rename it the "TwoCat-FLATman-ugly bob Redneck 9 v 9 Furthest Back Columns/Dozens/Some Splits Magnetic Tracker"
I'll have a look later today and post some questions.
Sam
One thing I will say for anybody who is going to play this.
Make sure you understand it inside out first.
You need to know all the splits of by heart.
20 is split 11.
13 is split 7 and so on.
Knowing this means you do not even have to write down the numbers.
Just write down the splits.
Another thing I do is write out the table layout with just the splits.
1 2 3
4 5 6
----------
7 8 9
10 11 12
----------
13 14 15
16 17 18
You need to know that 1-6 equals the first dozen.
1,4,7,10,13,16 equals the first column.
This works great for a visual aid.
Just put a circle around the splits as they hit.
Here is an example of how I would do it.
(remember these are splits and not numbers)
16 3A
6 1C
The 2B is the furthest back.
1 2 3
4 5 x
----------
7 8 9
10 11 12
----------
13 14 15
xx 17 18
You can wipe out the whole of 2b.
This just leaves you looking at the 1,4,13,16 and 3,6,15,18.
You can see in an instant that the 6 and the 16 are circled.
(or marked with an x as shown above)
This points out your bets immediately.
Doing it this way will allow you time to think.
That is crucial when playing any type of system.
bob.
OK, bob, I've cleared my desk to take this thing on. I have questions:
1. Before you are qualified to bet, must you have both a dozen and a column with a furthest hit?
1 A
2 B
Furthest is
3 C........which would be left out of the calculations.
Is that much right?
What if you have
1 A
1 B
Do you wait?
Sam
bob
I have studied post number 1 for an hour. I can't see why you are betting the way you are.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 12, 11:28 PM 2012
OK, bob, I've cleared my desk to take this thing on. I have questions:
1. Before you are qualified to bet, must you have both a dozen and a column with a furthest hit?
1 A
2 B
Furthest is
3 C........which would be left out of the calculations.
Is that much right?
What if you have
1 A
1 B
Do you wait?
Sam
sam
1A
2B
You are correct in assuming that 3C would be the furthest back.
What you can now do is wipe out the splits that belong to 3C.
The splits that belong to 3C are 3,6,9,12,13,14,15,16,17,18.
The 3 is 3/6.
The 6 is 9/12.
The 9 is 15/18.
The 12 is 21/24.
The 13 is 25/28.
The 14 is 26/29.
The 15 is 27/30.
The 16 is 31/34.
The 17 is 32/35.
The 18 is 33/36.
Remember the 3C equals dozen 3 and column C.
We completely ignore all these splits as long as 3C is the furthest back.
You will find that there are always 10 splits wiped out whatever the furthest back dozen and column is.
This now leaves you with 8 splits left and of course you will always be left with 8 splits after wiping out 10.
Here are the 8 splits left over taking into account the 3C is the furthest back.
1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11.
The 1 is 1/4.
The 2 is 2/5.
The 4 is 7/10.
The 5 is 8/11.
The 7 is 13/16.
The 8 is 14/17.
The 10 is 19/22.
The 11 is 20/23.
You look through these 8 splits and only bet the ones that have already appeared.
''What if you have
1A
1B Do you wait'' - sam.
Yes. You have the furthest back C but are still waiting for the furthest back dozen.
You can not have more than one furthest back dozen or column.
If it then brings 2C.
1A
1B
2C
You now have
xx
1B
2C The furthest back is 3A.
The 10 splits wiped out from the 3A are 1,4,7,10,13,14,15,16,17,18.
The 8 splits left are 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12.
You would only bet any splits that have already appeared in those 8.
Does that clear a few things up?
bob.
bob
Brother, you did lot of typing there. I appreciate your trying to be thorough, but I understood all but the point in question. My Redneck Tracker already has those splits and dozens set up.
Why do you sometimes bet 3 or more splits?
Sam
bob......I am in blue; you are in black.
16. x xx
2. (2) 1B
13. (7) 2A
The next bet would just be a repeat of the last betting splits 2 and 7.............you wrote.
Look at it this way:
16. (7) 2A
2. (2) 1B
13. (7) 2A
Now your furthest back dozen is 3 and your column is C. Why do you use x xx?
16. x xx
2. (2) xB
13. (7) 2x
28. (13) 3A
The bet lost and now the new furthest back dozen is the 1. The furthest back column is still the C.
This again wipes out 10 splits which are 1,2,3,4,5,6,9,12,15,18.
There are only 8 splits left which are 7,8,10,11,13,14,16,17.
The 7 and 13 have already shown and so you bet these 2 only.
16. x xx
2. (2) xx
13. (7) xx
28. (13) 3A
24. (12) 2C
The bet lost and the furthest back dozen is still the 1. The new furthest back column is now the B.
The 10 splits wiped out are 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,11,14,17.
There are only 8 splits left which are 7,9,10,12,13,15,16,18.
The 7, 12 and 13 have already shown and so you bet these 3 only.
My question is why do you bet three splits?
bob, if I just understood why you were betting a split, that's all I need.
sam
I do not mind if you give me a number at a time if you like and we can work through it.
bob.
bob
Could we sum it up in a single sentence: If a split has hit and is not in the furthest back dozen or column, we bet that/those splits.
Sam
Hey that works for me!
That is a very neat way of putting it.
Thanks sam :thumbsup:
OK ugliest man on the forum
I will run with that definition I posted and do a few spins.
Later........and Thanks!
Sam
bob
OK, I did some tests and it scared me it hit so many times.
Let me tell you how I do this. I have a board for the 9 v 9 system. Each spit, 1-18 is marked out. It sits atop a metal plate so I use magnetic pucks to mark the spits.
A numbers comes. I puck that split. Another number comes. I puck that split. The first thing I do when a number comes is puck it on the board.
THEN
When it becomes evident I have an oldest dozen or column, I look at the board and if there are splits marked in that dozen or column, I wipe them off and bet the ones remaining.
I then puck the split that hit and look for the oldest dozen column. I then wipe of the pucks from the sheet and bet the remainders.
Sam
Brilliant :xd:
I had something similar last year when I was working a few things out.
It saved me loads of time and stopped me going mad.
This idea can work brilliant but it has the downturns just like anything else.
That is why it is important to have a few guidelines just to try and protect yourself.
The wins sure do take care of themself.
bob.
Thanks, bob.
I love building Redneck trackers.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 13, 04:23 PM 2012
bob
OK, I did some tests and it scared me it hit so many times.
Let me tell you how I do this. I have a board for the 9 v 9 system. Each spit, 1-18 is marked out. It sits atop a metal plate so I use magnetic pucks to mark the spits.
A numbers comes. I puck that split. Another number comes. I puck that split. The first thing I do when a number comes is puck it on the board.
THEN
When it becomes evident I have an oldest dozen or column, I look at the board and if there are splits marked in that dozen or column, I wipe them off and bet the ones remaining.
I then puck the split that hit and look for the oldest dozen column. I then wipe of the pucks from the sheet and bet the remainders.
Sam
Sam, in your opinion, as a puck picker, when you are puck pickin, how much luck does the puck pick against the puck picker as opposed to puckin and picking a puck from a lucky puck just for puck sake?
Turner
By Jove, let me have my rum and I'll answer that!!
Well I placed my pucks and picked my pucks and my lucky pucks brought me luck!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 13, 08:03 PM 2012
Well I placed my pucks and picked my pucks and my lucky pucks brought me luck!
Thank puck for that!
sam
could you explain what is going on in your chart.
bob.
sam
I was just wondering if you got the same results as me playing these numbers.
5
31
27
13
1
25
24
35
30
24
I had two wins on the final 2 numbers (30 and 24) and finished up +9.
bob.
No, I get no winners.
Here is the way I played it. The lines under the numbers are as far back as I can go. Above the lines are the furthest doz/col.
Both of your splits were taken out earlier, in my mind.
Sam
Not making any grandiose claims.............but.....................
This is absolutely one of the best systems I've ever played.
I don't think bob and I are playing it the same, however.
Sam
LAST TIME!
This is a phenomenal system. Ignore it if you must, but I'm hitting many times with only 3 splits bet.
Sam
sam
It is great you have got it to work for yourself.
I went back over the numbers I posted and I had 2 wins on the last 2 numbers like I said.
The profit was +12. It then went to +9 because the next bet was a loss although I did not include the number here. So sorry if anyone following that got confused.
It can work great and I think the important thing is to keep it to 4 splits or less like I said.
There is no need to chase betting 5 or more splits. Just do a reset.
I wish you continued good luck.
bob.
bob
Are you putting the splits back in after they have been eliminated? Say you were betting on a split in the second dozen and it suddenly became the furthest back. You would stop betting on it. Then if the first dozen became the furthest back, would you start betting on your second dozen split again?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 14, 08:13 PM 2012
bob
Are you putting the splits back in after they have been eliminated? Say you were betting on a split in the second dozen and it suddenly became the furthest back. You would stop betting on it. Then if the first dozen became the furthest back, would you start betting on your second dozen split again?
Sam
Maybe that is where we are doing it different sam because I would bet for that second dozen split again if it qualified.
So suppose 3B was the furthest back and my bet was the 1 and 4 split.
Next up, suppose the 1B becomes the furthest back. I would not bet the 1 and 4 split now.
But if the next furthest back becomes 2B, I am back betting the 1 and 4 split again.
bob.
Yes, bob, we are different. But since I am making a flat-bet profit daily from this, I'll keep trying it this way.
Thanks for all your help.
Sam
Hi Sam
I have read and understood Bob`s messages on his way of playing. Unfortunately, I do not understand the way you describe your way. Would it possible for you to provide a number by number blow of how you adapted the method to your way of play. Thanks ahead of time.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry
I will make a video and describe blow-by-blow how I play this. The viewers would have to imagine my Redneck Tracker and the sheet where I write, as I can't show that and the screen together.
Give me a little time and I'll get 'er done!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 15, 09:36 AM 2012
Gerry
I will make a video and describe blow-by-blow how I play this. The viewers would have to imagine my Redneck Tracker and the sheet where I write, as I can't show that and the screen together.
Give me a little time and I'll get 'er done!
Sam
Much appreciated Sam!
Looking forward to it.
Create your own Redneck Tracker. I could not trim the Two as it made the squares bigger. Trim, cut and tape together for a complete Tracker.
Redneck Tracker Sheet
This is a video of one of the worst trots I've ever had. I post it because it's what happened. You may download the pdf and see how I play.
ugly bob video 1 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zHTcYev8I#)
Guys
Don't know how to write this. Wrote it six times and erased it.
When I last logged out of that account I had 156 Euro in it. At the beginning of the video I had 169. Seems I logged on and played with absolutely no memory of doing so.
Can't tell the difference between 3 and 32.
Frankly, I think I'm loosing my mind.
I'm scared.
Sam
And now look Sam how your losing spins LvF 9 with addition of Bobs doz/col looks like
playing my way in betting in 9 cycles.
I need to hang it up for a while.
Laters.............
TCS
sam
I appreciate you going to the trouble of making the video showing how you play.
You certainly did not have much luck at all throughout that session.
I can also now see how you are playing it slightly different to the way I would play.
Your way seems to be relying too much on getting repeats hit quickly which sometimes does not happen all that often. I also noticed you were sometimes betting 6-7 chips on the layout. I think it is important to keep the bets down to 4 and just reset when necessary. But hey it is a lot harder said than done when you are in the middle of a game and things are not working so well.
Chin up man and the good luck will hopefully be around the corner for you soon.
bob.
What does "reset" mean?
Yes, I had a run of horrible luck coupled with my own mistakes which led to a loosing session. The luck I can't control; the mistakes I can. I have to find out what the H is wrong with me that I can't play by my own rules.
If anyone wonders why I posted such a lousy video the answer is this:
I know that many people--I won't name names--shop for a run from Spielbank that suits their system and then work it. They leave out all the times it ate their lunch. So what does this prove? It proves that if you shop long enough through the archives of Spielbank, you will find just the trot that makes you a winner. BFD! Play that sucker live and on film and see how you do.
I also have a sneaky feeling that some confirming trots posted by members other than the system poster are also shopped to bolster an ego or something--don't know what.
If you want to test and be honest, well, today is the 17th of November. State that you will download table 2 from Spielbank on the 20th of September and work those numbers. Then you have something like the following:
Ralph posts screen shots of his winnings at BV. Very impressive.
FlAtMaN uses 300 spins each from ten members and wins. Very impressive.
I make a video and lose me arse. Not so impressive, but the truth nonetheless.
Sorry about the rant.
Sam
Sam!
That's no ranting, it is just sense!
A kind of reasonable explanation how the results were achieved is something all have to supply.
occupated coding the bot make less playing, the last results.
Ralph
That's the ticket!!
Sam
bob
I have re-worked the rules to your little idea. Hope you don't mind.
Here they are in a peanut shell:
I will bet the last 10 splits to come unless--at the time the bet is placed--they are in the oldest dozen or column. I must bet all splits, even if there are six.
COMING ATTRACTION! COMING ATTRACTION! COMING ATTRACTION!
My next video will be with play money as I'm testing something that will get your attention. It is still buggy and I have to be careful.
Sam
Quote from: ugly bob on Nov 11, 07:20 PM 2012
A game just played at Smartlivecasino.
8
28 2c missing. bet 5,13.
19 1c missing. bet 10,13.
9 3b missing. bet 6,10.
4 3b missing. bet 1,6,10.
7 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,10.
34 2b missing. bet 1,4,6,13,16.
27 1b missing. bet 10,13,15,16. - shouldn't here be 2b missing?
17 1a missing. bet 8,15.
0 1a missing. bet 8,15.
17 1a missing. bet 8,15.
31 1c missing. bet 8,10,13,16.
17 1c missing. bet 8,10,13,16.
7 3c missing. bet 1,4,5,8,10.
15 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,9,10.
7 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,9,10.
4 3b missing. bet 1,4,6,9,10.
24 3b missing. +16.
16 games. Played 56 splits. Returns 72.
bob.
question above
I think I am getting the hang of this
soggett
I fired up my "Redneck Tracker" and put in the numbers from 8 thru 27.
8.............1b
28.......... 3a
19...........2a
9.............1c
4.............1a
7.............1a
34...........3a
27...........3c
Looking back at the dozens, we find dozen 2 eventually becomes the oldest.
Looking back at the columns, we find column b eventually becomes the oldest.
I would eliminate 2b from my play.
Maybe I'm not the only one who makes mistakes!
Sam
soggett
You are right! The 2b should have went there.
The bets should be 1,4,6,13,15,16.
Everything was correct after that.
It does show how easy it is to make mistakes when you are playing.
sam
I like the sound of your new approach. It is good to include a few further back splits as well.
bob.
Thank you, bob. And thanks for freely admitting your mistake. No bloviation!
I am trying to program my mind to the new rules. It is easy to program the tracker, the sheet and the mystery device. My ol' brain takes a little time. I'm practicing on play money.
If I can drug the wife later on today, I'll make the video.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 18, 11:43 AM 2012
If I can drug the wife later on today, I'll make the video.
:D :D :D :D
ok, then I am getting the hang of it ;D
will do more tests cause I like it
Sam, looking forward to your video as always
Clicker (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=bPN7Cqfjjbg#)
tough session TCS
the dozens were like 1,2,3,1,2,3,2,1,3,2,... no repeating
wow
and I think you made 1 mistake ;D
at about 33 minutes the split 21/24 should have been left out, but it makes no difference
maybe you should have used more than 10 last splits, if you use them all you will bet at max 8 splits anyway, so amybe reset when in plus and start over?
If I made only one mistake, I'm doing good.
Yes, soggett, glad it was play money.
Try this sam if you still have any patience left! :thumbsup:
You know by now that one of 9 groups can be the furthest back.
Either 1A,1B,1C,2A,2B,2C,3A,3B,3C.
There are always 8 splits left whichever one of these groups is furthest back.
1A = 8,9,11,12,14,15,17,18.
1B = 7,9,10,12,13,15,16,18.
1C = 7,8,10,11,13,14,16,17.
2A = 2,3,5,6,14,15,17,18.
2B = 1,3,4,6,13,15,16,18.
2C = 1,2,4,5,13,14,16,17.
3A = 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12.
3B = 1,3,4,6,7,9,10,12.
3C = 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11.
The rules.
Wait for the furthest back to repeat twice before playing.
example.
2B
2B this is ok
2C
2A this is not ok
Back the last 4 splits to appear from the furthest back group.
The furthest back group has to remain absent to continue betting.
example.
10. 4 1A.
1. 1 1A.
19. 10 2A.
16. 7 2A.
7. 4 1A.
33. 18 3C. now 2B is missing. You do not bet here.
13. 7 2A. now 1B is missing. The furthest back changed and you do not bet here.
30. 15 3C. now 1B is missing again. You could bet here if you had 4 splits to play from the furthest back 1B. There is only 15,7,10. not enough. no bet.
25. 13 3A. 1B is still missing. now you can bet 13,15,7,10 splits.
9. 6 1C. now 2B is missing and wait to see if it misses again.
17. 8 2B. now 3A is missing.
23. 11 2B. now 3A has missed twice. no bet because 11,8,6 is only 3 splits.
22. 10 2A. now 3C is missing. wait to see if it misses again.
18. 9 2C. now 3B is missing.
12. 6 1C. now 3B has went missing twice. we bet the last splits from the missing 3B. They are 6,9,10,7.
35. 17 3B. now 2A is missing.
2. 2 1B. Now 2A is missing again. we bet 2,17,16,15.
32. 17 3B. Now 2A is missing again. we bet 2,17,16,15 again.
What this does is stops you betting when the furthest back groups keep changing and you only bet the last 4 splits to appear from the furthest back group.
One thing you could do is to add a split if it was from the furthest back group and you were not on it. Repeating this process would see your bet go from 4 to5 splits. 5 to 6 splits. 6 to 7splits. 7 to 8 splits if you wanted to play it like that.
These rules should cut out the bad runs.
bob.
bob
I'll have to think on that one!
Sam
sam
I just had a quick game at dublinbet.
Here are the furthest back groups as they appeared.
3B
3B **
1B
1B **
1B ***
2B
2B **
1B
3C
2A
1A
3C
3B
3B **
3B ***
2A
1A
3B
2B
1A
3A
2B
2B **
2C
2C **
2C ***
2C ****
3C
3C **
3A
3A **
3A ***
There are some bad runs there where the furthest back did not repeat.
A six spin segment and a seven spin segment which kills the bankroll if you are playing too many chips.
I got out of dodge with a good run at the end there and made over 75% on my starting capital.
You can not play every spin with any system. It will kill you.
bob.