Tried to find an easy system that can be grinded. From a lot of testing many variations/combinations with many chips on the table none of them worked.
Now, I tried a different approach. Flatbet 2 doublestreets. Well, what happen? Bankroll increase! Strange. This is cannot be just "beginners luck"? Or maybe it was? ;D I've done 2 quick tests: Played with two doublestreets 25 unit bets and grinded myself up to +1000 etc. (practice mode RNG roulette),
Ofcourse like all systems you can have good streaks and bad streaks.
I tested this 4 times now (with 25 unit bets):
+1000
+1000
+1000
+1000
Each time.
Practice mode = easier suck in mode on RNG. Real play is where they take your money.
Why not use live dealer spins? There's plenty of those available with free play & play money chips linked to the live spins. Maybe spins recorded at your favourite local casino could be used too? Smart live has a recorded list of the previous 185 spins available on there graphic display for example.
Test wins on live dealer would be more valid. Win more often then lose over multiple tests should indicate a viable live dealer bet method?
Regards, Ausguy.
Well, result are the same +68 units (flatbetting 2 doublestreets 1 unit bets) 300 spins or so (from a list of livespins)...
If that would have been 25 unit bets i'd won 1700 units. (68*25=1700).
Ignatus
Can you confirm that you understood me when i said that basic ideas that havnt been tested should be in notepad.
Turner
Ignatus
Ausguy is right, fun mode is a waste of time and not to be trusted. Check out the actuals page on this site and compare against real life spins , say about 1000 and then maybe you have something.
In real world betting static 12 numbers ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid
Love your enthusiasm though
BW
Turner. Yes..I did a lot of testing for this one. I came upon this strategy by accident (2 doublestreets) and it works.
Argument that RNG roulette is favored to win is not true, try any strategy you want (I tried many with RNG) most of them fail (in practice mode). But now I've tested this with real spins & RNG. Result are the same.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Nov 16, 05:55 AM 2012
In real world betting static 12 numbers ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid
Well, winning 5-6 times in a row +1000 units doesn't mean anything? THAT doesn't just "happen" by accident. >:(
I'm just sharing what I tested so far. Try it yourself? You can't argue it doesn't work if you never tried it? ;D
Played now again won 1000 units flatbetting. (7th time now). Ofcourse it require alot of spins, and losses can happen, but it tend to recover.
Ignatus...what BW means is 12 is 12 is12. The stats show how a dozen or column will sleep. The stats for 2 lines are identical....3 combos of 2 lines are actually dozens!
I wouldnt test this because i know how dozens can sleep
Thats what BW means and i guess the reason he wont test it either
Turner
As you wish. But I think it's not very clever to dismiss a strategy when you have never tried it. Even if you think you're a "roulette expert" I've only had good result so far (as you know). I think a progression could be used also for 2 doublestreets with no problem. Most I've seen is 13 spins without hit.
If you put doublestreets on (10/15) & (22/27) it cover all three dozens.
If you start progression after the third spin you would reach the 10th step in the progression (28 units) ...in the worst case (13 spins without hit etc), but MOST of the time it hits within 5 spins...
2 Double Streets (each)
1 1 2 3 4 6 8 12 19 28 42 65 100 150 300
Flatbetting without progression works good also.
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 16, 07:22 AM 2012
As you wish. But I think it's not very clever to dismiss a strategy when you have never tried it. Even if you think you're a "roulette expert" I've only had good result so far (as you know). I think a progression could be used also for 2 doublestreets with no problem. Most I've seen is 13 spins without hit.
If you put doublestreets on (10/15) & (22/27) it cover all three dozens.
If you start progression after the third spin you would reach the 10th step in the progression (28 units) ...in the worst case (13 spins without hit etc), but MOST of the time it hits within 5 spins...
2 Double Streets (each)
1 1 2 3 4 6 8 12 19 28 42 65 100 150 300
Flatbetting without progression works good also.
Ignatus
You don't have to be a roulette expert to know dozens can sleep for 25 spins. Why don't You know this stuff?. You are going to crash and burn if you ignore the very basic stats.
Ignatus,sorry for asking but how old are You? When I read your posts You sound like a person which yesterday saw roulette table at first time,and here comes up with ideas that have been tried a thousands times with a lot of pepole. Don't understand me maliciously,but do not let people laught to You.
Have a nice time ;)
If you put doublestreets on (10/15) & (22/27) it cover all three dozens.--Ignatus
There could be something to what you've said
(I have a similar strategy called Edward Dozens)
Check this out Ignatus.
Your two doublestreets. Every time a number hits in one of them, place a chip on the number. Keep placing chips as the numbers come in those doublestreets until a hit.
Thanks Proof :)
niksa. Well, if you done a 1000 session with this strategy, you could show me the results? Then you would be rich by this time. "what other people has tried?" Really? I tested different strategies I invented myself, (this one too) and saw the bankroll increase or decrease. I played 2 doublestreet 7 sessions in a row i won +1000 units. Could this just be beginners luck? How is that possible?
I think turners argument is invalid also. A dozen is NOT same as 2 doublestreets.
Say what you will. I was only happy for these good results I've had. :/
Ig.- If your method is winning in testing then really prove it for your self & play with real money.
Winning more than losing will allow you to play with the casinos money. Once you are doing that then you can't lose. Worst case scenario should be that you will only break even?
If you're really doing ok then I guess we won't see much of you on this forum as your time will be well invested making money from your casino plays?
My best wishes to you - Ausguy.
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 16, 10:51 AM 2012
I think turners argument is invalid also. A dozen is NOT same as 2 doublestreets.
its not an argument...its fact.
ok, explain whats the difference between Dozen 1 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) and double streets 1 and 2 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12)
This i must hear.
Turner
Yes Ausguy. I will perhaps try this for real. My local bar has roulette (100 meters from where I live!) ;D They have this rule that you can put two chips on oneanother so many times for each 10â,¬ chips you buy. If I buy 30â,¬ of chips I can put 3 chips on oneanother etc... But I don't need that! I need only 2 chips to play with. (Flatbetting 2 doublestreets.) It would take several hours to play for real... 100s of spins. And im not sure how much money I would need... perhaps 50â,¬ (minimum bet is 1â,¬) If i lost constantly I would last 25 spins. ;) But I get money at the end of the month. We'll see. I have alot of time testing this yet. I'll play now on livetable practicemode now. link:://livecasino.smartlivegaming.com (link:://livecasino.smartlivegaming.com)
Give you result later!
Cheers
Ig - I suggest you perhaps rethink your play timetable simply because your bankroll (BR) is way too small? Not enough money to bet with usually influences too many low range bets.
I see it all so often at my local casino, 2 steps back & 1 step forward and eventually bust.
Even if it takes you multiple months or longer to save up a decent BR, it would still pay off in the long term. After all is it not steady long term profit that most of us seek?
Emotion all too often over rules the mathematics (progressions) that any play method dictates.
Although I see you are flat betting or close to it, to profit you still need more wins than losses for success.
Years back I read in a gambling book about this. A big focus was on adequate BR as well as NOT BEING AFRAID TO PUSH THE MONEY OUT (i.e. the higher amounts)
Bankrolls get discussed on the forums from time to time with some wise advice on having a large BR. Larger than the minimum your method calculates you need.
If your min.bet locally is 1 Euro than 1,000 Euro or even 2,000 Euro would be better?
The compared % ratio of betting off 50euro @ 1euro bets vs BRs of 1k or 2k is huge.
It's stress vs little stress.
Working for a 10% return on 1k or 2k could give you 100 or 200 profit on each play session?
While convenient, your local wheel may not be the best option as far as bet limits and manipulated results go, most likely RNG?
As you are already testing at Smart Live (SL) that's a reasonable option to consider or similar. Have a look at Party Casino live dealer sometime. They use the Latvian feed. The "baby doll" voiced dealers. The minimum there is 2 and 2 1/2k max. The spins come much quicker than SL.
To view I think you have to make an account with them. I have an account there.
I have an account with SL. I play the live dealer wheel but haven't for a while due to moving and now only have a too slow mobile broadband. They've always paid me any winnings.
How far is a real B & M casino from you? For me I have to travel 1 1/2 hours each way to play at my casino.
I've always done best over time with the true randomness of dealer spun wheels, it's worth the extra time and effort involved.
Cheers, Ausguy.
Thanks for your reply Ausguy :)
I live in Stockholm (Sweden) only 30 min travel to a real casino :P
Playing in real casinos is fun, only did that once! ;D
Quote from: ausguy on Nov 16, 06:57 PM 2012
Ig - I suggest you perhaps rethink your play timetable simply because your bankroll (BR) is way too small? Not enough money to bet with usually influences too many low range bets.
I see it all so often at my local casino, 2 steps back & 1 step forward and eventually bust.
Even if it takes you multiple months or longer to save up a decent BR, it would still pay off in the long term. After all is it not steady long term profit that most of us seek?
Emotion all too often over rules the mathematics (progressions) that any play method dictates.
Although I see you are flat betting or close to it, to profit you still need more wins than losses for success.
Years back I read in a gambling book about this. A big focus was on adequate BR as well as NOT BEING AFRAID TO PUSH THE MONEY OUT (i.e. the higher amounts)
Bankrolls get discussed on the forums from time to time with some wise advice on having a large BR. Larger than the minimum your method calculates you need.
If your min.bet locally is 1 Euro than 1,000 Euro or even 2,000 Euro would be better?
The compared % ratio of betting off 50euro @ 1euro bets vs BRs of 1k or 2k is huge.
It's stress vs little stress.
Working for a 10% return on 1k or 2k could give you 100 or 200 profit on each play session?
While convenient, your local wheel may not be the best option as far as bet limits and manipulated results go, most likely RNG?
As you are already testing at Smart Live (SL) that's a reasonable option to consider or similar. Have a look at Party Casino live dealer sometime. They use the Latvian feed. The "baby doll" voiced dealers. The minimum there is 2 and 2 1/2k max. The spins come much quicker than SL.
To view I think you have to make an account with them. I have an account there.
I have an account with SL. I play the live dealer wheel but haven't for a while due to moving and now only have a too slow mobile broadband. They've always paid me any winnings.
How far is a real B & M casino from you? For me I have to travel 1 1/2 hours each way to play at my casino.
I've always done best over time with the true randomness of dealer spun wheels, it's worth the extra time and effort involved.
Cheers, Ausguy.
Do you ever wish you hadnt fu.ckin bothered...lol
Yes Turner I'm feeling that way more & more now that I see IG. on other threads with his great "highly likely" other play methods?
It was only after my last post that I saw IG. on another thread enthusiastically putting forward TRIPLE double street play.
If twin double streets "WORK", as IG. originally explained on this thread, then why is more - better?
I'm trying not to think too hard about it all as I only become more confused?
At least I'm signing off with a smile on my face.
Cheers, Ausguy.
Ignatus, I just responded to one of your other posts on doublestreets and then I saw this one. If you live 30 minutes from a casino and have only been there once could I suggest you go and track real spins and get comfortable with a couple methods of play in real time?
I don't know how to say this tactfully but if you have to wait for the end of the month for your bankroll and you are overly confident in the doublestreet methods you've proposed your expectations may not be realistic and you have a great attitude as someone remarked in another thread. I would hate to see that ruined by what could fast become a very negative experience when expectations and reality face off.
It's one thing to play big progressions on paper and win...it's another to push out the stack...it's unfathomable to push out the big stack if you can't afford for that to be the fateful losing spin that wipes you out and crushes your dreams or worse...your household. There may be some vital information I'm missing from what I've briefly read and I don't want to be rude. I am trying to help.
Please take it slow... I don't have it all figured out and I've played thousands and thousands of spins, researched for hours I can't even count and I enjoy a reasonable level of success after years and years, and yes I certainly still lose and thats never pretty...but I expect it to happen... occassionally. Your expectations are very high for a beatable but negative expectation game.
RK - IG. was talking about an end of month bankroll of 30 or 50 Euro.
Sounds a bit like trying to play the poor mans way. Start poor = finish poor.
IG. if you're on some type of pension or similar the wheel sure doesn't know that.
Ausguy.
Quote from: niksa on Nov 16, 08:08 AM 2012
Ignatus,sorry for asking but how old are You? When I read your posts You sound like a person which yesterday saw roulette table at first time,and here comes up with ideas that have been tried a thousands times with a lot of pepole. Don't understand me maliciously,but do not let people laught to You.
Have a nice time ;)
Hello Niksa,
Let Ignatus go , age is saying nothing to me , maybe he is 16 or a bit older say 60.
Even old people can learn from the youngsters.
Never think that you are better or know it all because there is always somebody there who can beat you ......
There are always new members who never heard of all the systems he is talking about , do you remember when you get interested in roulette , how were the results...
What was your age ?
Cheers
John Rotterdam
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 16, 11:35 AM 2012
My local bar has roulette (100 meters from where I live!) ;D They have this rule that you can put two chips on oneanother so many times for each 10â,¬ chips you buy.
You mean SEK surely..not euros.. Sweden doesn't have Euros,as in Stockholm casinos minimum bet statement on their website
Spin & win! There are more than 400 gaming machines at the casino, with lots of different games and levels of stakes. A range of different jackpots are linked to the slot machines, to add that extra thrill to the jingle of a win.
Casino Light
Casino Light lets you play with the same chances of winning for lower stakes. You can find Casino Light on Level 2. Open every day from 7 pm. Minimum stake SEK 20.
The min stake is SEK 20 on inside, on EC the min is SEK 50. If you can not risk SEK 15000 to 25000 never enter for other reason than try your luck a few spins.
My local bar has minimum bet 5 SEK. ;D So I guess it's better than the casinos :P
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 17, 07:38 AM 2012
My local bar has minimum bet 5 SEK. ;D So I guess it's better than the casinos :P
In that case you are using an illegal casino owned by criminals, or the small legal "casinos" which pay ugly odds, not 36 back rather 25 (can be charity). It is not for pro's.
I do not know, but may be you have to wait a few years until a decent casino let you in?
Quote from: Ralph on Nov 17, 08:10 AM 2012
I do not know, but may be you have to wait a few years until a decent casino let you in?
Ouch! a Swashbuckling swipe of the highest order Ralph!! touché !