OK. no debating here if HAR works or not. just a quick example. for those who are open-minded enough to use it.
what i do here is CHANGE parameters. randomizing my bet. No strict patterns! Strict patterns is what kills roulette. So that's what i do. i track some amount of spins, i bet some RANDOM hot numbers from my tracking and some cold too. But never more cold than hot, and it is NEVER a random bet! it is RANDOMIZED bet. what mean is this. when u bet for example 8 random hot spins out of last 19 tracked, it is still following some blurry pattern, it is RANDOMIZED, but not random!
that's a difference.
and one more thing. when u bet 8 hot out of 19 for example u always bet the last spin. this way u make sure they are HOT. if u randomly bet 8 out of 19 u may bet the earliest 8 and here u go...they are not HOT anymore... but even if u bet last one and early 7, they are still hot
Again. I wanna help those open minded people which don't like arguing but like thinking and learning.
You can ask questions but i don't promise i will answer ALL OF THEM. i am not gonna answer questions like "do u really think You can defeat roulette like this on a long run blah-blah-blah?"
i hope that this example will make u THINK. think how to avoid stiff patterns which are always killed by roulette.
and this is NOT A HOLY GRAIL. holy grail does not exist.
if u push it for too long for too many spins in a row u gonna lose fellas.
see the attachments.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 08:19 AM 2012
OK. no debating here if HAR works or not. just a quick example. for those who are open-minded enough to use it.
what i do here is CHANGE parameters. randomizing my bet. No strict patterns! Strict patterns is what kills roulette. So that's what i do. i track some amount of spins, i bet some RANDOM hot numbers from my tracking and some cold too. But never more cold than hot, and it is NEVER a random bet! it is RANDOMIZED bet. what mean is this. when u bet for example 8 random hot spins out of last 19 tracked, it is still following some blurry pattern, it is RANDOMIZED, but not random!
that's a difference.
Again. I wanna help those open minded people which don't like arguing but like thinking and learning.
You can ask questions but i don't promise i will answer ALL OF THEM. i am not gonna answer questions like "do u really think You can defeat roulette like this on a long run blah-blah-blah?"
i hope that this example will make u THINK. think how to avoid stiff patterns which are always killed by roulette.
and this is NOT A HOLY GRAIL. holy grail does not exist.
if u push it for too long for too many spins in a row u gonna lose fellas.
see the attachments.
Iggiv
Is betting always on maximum up to 5 repeaters that hit betting against stiff or strict patterns?
Regards
it is not "always" not "maximum" and not "against" and not "repeaters". it is just betting random hot and cold numbers out of some amount of last spins tracked. i would say "random amount of last spins tracked" but of course i would not track 1000 spins to bet hot and cold on them. Some random amount of last spins tracked between maybe 8 and 50 spins.
by "hot" i mean all numbers that appeared. be it 1 time or 5 or 7 times. but if it 5 or 7 times i will probably include it in that "random hot" which i bet.
i wrote in my note skip 10 spins, but i skipped like 40. does not matter that much. u got the idea. it is about "hit-n-run". Don't push your luck too hard. u won a little -- get out or wait before u r back.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 08:48 AM 2012
i wrote in my note skip 10 spins, but i skipped like 40. does not matter that much. u got the idea. it is about "hit-n-run". Don't push your luck too hard. u won a little -- get out or wait before u r back.
For how many spins do you bet each group?
using common sense. if u push it too hard, u lose. if u bet 10 numbers one time only it do es not make sense. if i bet 10 numbers 4 times and still lose then i will maybe bet once more and in case of lose just accepted a loss. if u get down more than 50-60 units just let it go.
the thing is that if u just come and bet let's say 7 hot and 3 cold numbers out of 18 last tracked there is high probability it will win if u don't push it too hard. You can test it.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 09:15 AM 2012
using common sense. if u push it too hard, u lose. if u bet 10 numbers one time only it do es not make sense. if i bet 10 numbers 4 times and still lose then i will maybe bet once more and in case of lose just accepted a loss. if u get down more than 50-60 units just let it go.
but You can do it with 40 units as well.
the thing is that if u just come and bet let's say 7 hot and 3 cold numbers out of 18 last tracked there is high probability it will win if u don't push it too hard. You can test it.
I never push for more than 12 spins as a rule of thumb and avoid betting more than 5 numbers at the time. But no strict rules in general. And i guess im done testing flat bets. In this form i consider them good bets.
My experience with randomness studies began with hot numbers.
Based on 360 spins, you look at the first 60 spins. You then select the three hottest numbers.
That leaves you 300 spins to go. You need nine winning hits for each number to break even.
The average hot number hits from 12 - 18 times in 300 spins.
For 10 hits in 300 spins you average 30 spins between hits, for each number.
I hope you find these basic stats useful.
so here are 19 numbers from Speilbank
16
13
34
29
31
23
3
1
29
5
30
23
10
31
11
19
35
27
35
so 35 is repeated and hot, and the last number......35
11,13, have hit and 14,0 havnt.
so bet 35,11,13,14,0 for "some spins" 5 or 6 perhaps. (I truley, hand on heart, said those numbers before going back to get the next spins)
14 win
34
16
35 win
21 Stop?
21
4
25
36
How did I do?
Everybody loves hot numbers. How about some fallacy regarding sleepers? After 60 to 70 spins you bet all cold ones until you have only 2 or 3 left - usually by spin 100? The last ones sometimes sleep well beyond 100 spins. I dont remember exact stats but Turner can get his RX to work oh this. ;D
i work with RX -- i look at the wheel frequency and see numbers which hit (and did not) and i work with them.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 09:47 AM 2012
Everybody loves hot numbers. How about some fallacy regarding sleepers? After 60 to 70 spins you bet all cold ones until you have only 2 or 3 left - usually by spin 100? The last ones sometimes sleep well beyond 100 spins. I don't remember exact stats but Turner can get his RX to work oh this. ;D
Gads! I've noticed that the coldest numbers tend to hit 3-4 times per 300 spins. That could easily come to an average of 100 spins between hits. That's not a fallacy.
Turner i would bet more numbers than just 5. and after getting 10 or so units i would quit for now.
u bet 5 numbers, u got very lucky to get 31 unit right away, in that case i would leave the table right away.
and sometimes it is wise to leave when u get even or lose just a few units...if u feel the trend goes against u.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 09:47 AM 2012
Everybody loves hot numbers. How about some fallacy regarding sleepers? After 60 to 70 spins you bet all cold ones until you have only 2 or 3 left - usually by spin 100? The last ones sometimes sleep well beyond 100 spins. I don't remember exact stats but Turner can get his RX to work oh this. ;D
I found that real spins stats are higher than random.org stats for every e/c.street/line etc.
10K spins
real spins, all numbers sleep at least 185 spins. Highest was 397
random.org all numbers sleep at least 164 spins. Highest was 344
I wonder if thats got anything to do with real spins being seperate days all stitched together and random.or was 1 continuous flow. Who knows
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Nov 18, 10:37 AM 2012
I found that real spins stats are higher than random.org stats for every e/c.street/line etc.
10K spins
real spins, all numbers sleep at least 185 spins. Highest was 397
random.org all numbers sleep at least 164 spins. Highest was 344
I wonder if that's got anything to do with real spins being separate days all stitched together and random.or was 1 continuous flow. Who knows
Turner
Funny thing. This is of course a relatively small sample but i would say that on RNG the rare events happen more often than the statistics would say. So quite opposite. Giving examples is pointless.
Probably just my biased mind. ;D
Matt
Is that you in the avatar or Rod Stewart?
When I go to Riverwind (00 Roulette Evolution RNG) I "think" I see far more repeaters than I do on Dublin. Others there have said this, also. This may only be confirmation bias. I don't know. But every system I try there is beaten by repeaters.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 18, 11:02 AM 2012
Matt
Is that you in the avatar or Rod Stewart?
When I go to Riverwind (00 Roulette Evolution RNG) I "think" I see far more repeaters than I do on Dublin. Others there have said this, also. This may only be confirmation bias. I don't know. But every system I try there is beaten by repeaters.
Sam
Sam
Thx and i take it as a compliment but I have a very strong policy of only posting my real pics alone or with companions ;D And we dont have probably enough real spins data to make a valid conclusion about RNG or real thing being more or less random.
Regards
I changed my avatar again in the meantime ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 11:15 AM 2012
Sam
thanks and i take it as a compliment but I have a very strong policy of only posting my real pics alone or with companions ;D And we don't have probably enough real spins data to make a valid conclusion about RNG or real thing being more or less random.
Regards
I changed my avatar again in the meantime ;D
Rod Stewart......Im getting James Cobern
Iggiv brings up the rare subject of cold numbers. Little discussed.
Is there any merit in considering a cold number to be cold within your sample....say Im tracking 20 numbers, and 32 spins ago (12 before I started tracking my first of 20) is no.14. its not cold as in "not hit for 122 spins", but its cold in your tracking.
Turner, u consider cold sometimes by how many spins u track.
Now about cold numbers. They are unpopular subject because they don't appear as often as hot numbers. But they do. And there will be quite a few cases when u get "cold runs" over and over and over again. I mean by "cold runs" awakening cold numbers. Now -- if u bet hot numbers ONLY, as most of the players do, u inevitably will have quite a few losing sessions.
So that's why it makes sense to mix cold with hot from time to time. The thing is DONT OVERDO it or u will get losing sessions again.
to realize how it works practically u need to work with real spins a lot. That's what RX is for. With no practice u will not realize what's goin on in roulette.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 01:31 PM 2012
Turner, u consider cold sometimes by how many spins u track.
Now about cold numbers. They are unpopular subject because they don't appear as often as hot numbers. But they do. And there will be quite a few cases when u get "cold runs" over and over and over again. I mean by "cold runs" awakening cold numbers. Now -- if u bet hot numbers ONLY, as most of the players do, u inevitably will have quite a few losing sessions.
So that's why it makes sense to mix cold with hot from time to time. The thing is don't OVERDO it or u will get losing sessions again.
to realize how it works practically u need to work with real spins a lot. That's what RX is for. With no practice u will not realize what's goin on in roulette.
Thanks. i actually only test on RX. Ive had it for 3 years. I rarely bet real money, only in the casino once a week. I must spend an hour or 2 a day on RX