Gents,
Before post it I expect someone/when I post/to retest each session with a tracker,as it is
possible that I could made some mistake.....and here mistakes MUST NOT BE...Why ???
Couse the same guy I won 1000 euros last time made another bet with me/and this is only couse
he is after winning method,and at the end I shall explain all in details./His rules this time are that
I should produce 30 /daily one/session in the row,but couse I did it bye 18.11-today 34 sessions,he
agreed that it is enough,that each session must be retested by someone else of you.
The W/L agreement is 54 units/1080 units............whatever I win he will pay me---whatever I lose
I will pay him......rules and all explanation after I get few tracking testers.
BTW-By my calculations 33 sessions won...only one lost 18 units and one won only 9 units/those 2 sessions only went to the end of WEISBADEN sessions....all others won earlier and much more
then 54 units...explanation after I get volonteers.Thanks
nice
glad to see you are making money with roulette but not by playing roulette :D :D
you can count me in, I'll help as much as I can
can I do more than 1? or is 1 session per member your deal with him?
Quote from: soggett on Nov 18, 03:32 PM 2012
nice
glad to see you are making money with roulette but not by playing roulette :D :D
you can count me in, I'll help as much as I can
can I do more than 1? or is 1 session per member your deal with him?
Thanks Sogget..all 34 sessions/0nly 2 went to the end of some 320 spins/other 32 sessionsfrom 30 to 200 spins.Could you do it.
I'd be glad to help you, my friend. Just need to know all the rules. Let me know.
Ok Wally,
It would be nice from you......so you ,Sogget and mybe one more guy would be enough.
Then I shall give all the rules.
Am new here ,but I wouldnt mind help out ..............
Would be handtesting though , but very motivated...
8)
Hey FlAtMaN,
if you still need someone, I'll give you a help.
Ray
Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 18, 03:28 PM 2012
Gents,
...explanation after I get volonteers.Thanks
Happy to help Flat
Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 18, 03:28 PM 2012
Gents,
Before post it I expect someone/when I post/to retest each session with a tracker,as it is
possible that I could made some mistake.....and here mistakes MUST NOT BE...Why ???
Couse the same guy I won 1000 euros last time made another bet with me/and this is only couse
he is after winning method,and at the end I shall explain all in details./His rules this time are that
I should produce 30 /daily one/session in the row,but couse I did it bye 18.11-today 34 sessions,he
agreed that it is enough,that each session must be retested by someone else of you.
The W/L agreement is 54 units/1080 units............whatever I win he will pay me---whatever I lose
I will pay him......rules and all explanation after I get few tracking testers.
by the way-By my calculations 33 sessions won...only one lost 18 units and one won only 9 units/those 2 sessions only went to the end of WEISBADEN sessions....all others won earlier and much more
then 54 units...explanation after I get volonteers.Thanks
This guy got smarter because last time he wanted 10 winning session and now 30 but W/L ratio is different this time. But with my money on the line i would retest myself ;D
Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 18, 04:24 PM 2012
Thanks Sogget..all 34 sessions/0nly 2 went to the end of some 320 spins/other 32 sessionsfrom 30 to 200 spins.Could you do it.
no problem, I'm in
I'll do them as fast as I can
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Nov 18, 09:50 PM 2012
Happy to help Flat
Thanks as long as it's not nand testing.
Quote from: porkeporkeporke on Nov 18, 05:15 PM 2012
Am new here ,but I wouldnt mind help out ..............
Would be handtesting though , but very motivated...
8)
Can't accept the hand testing/could be errors/that's why ask this,as could be errors in my testings.
We can all make a mistake but tracker can not.
FlatMan,
any news when we start the test ?!?
Ray
FlAtMaN
Glad to help if there's a tracker.
Sam
lets see if I did it right
Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 19, 09:22 AM 2012
lets see if I did it right
It seems not ,let try diff
OTHERS AFTER AFTERNOON NAP
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 19, 08:39 AM 2012
FlAtMaN
Glad to help if there's a tracker.
Sam
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
In session 9 there is error in final result-----it is now 171 +
ALSO SESSION 12 ERROR MUST CONTINUE TESTING IT AS NOT FINISHED
first session is ok ;D
and very nice, 40 spins only
question,
why do you multiply it with 2 to get 108 euros?
question to the rest, do we have a tracker for this then or not?
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | "WHILE WINNING ON FURTHEST NINE ALWAYS WINNING SPLIT GOES TO BOTTOM OF LAST 9---WHILE TOP SPLIT IN THE LAST 9 GOES TO TOP OF FURTHER 9"
FlAtMaN
Iam going to list 9 last and 9 furthest. I will then put in the splits as directed above.
1 2
3 4
5 6
7 8
9 10
11 12
13 14
15 16
17 18
I am going to assume a win on the 8 split. My chart, according to your instructions, would look like this:
1
x 2
3 4
5 6
7 x
9 10
11 12
13 14
15 16
17 18
8
OK, I have done exactly as you say. Now, I must have this question answered or I simply cannot proceed:
After I move the 1 and the 8, which group do I bet on--last or furthest?
Sam
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Quote from: soggett on Nov 19, 10:13 AM 2012
first session is ok ;D
and very nice, 40 spins only
question,
why do you multiply it with 2 to get 108 euros?
question to the rest, do we have a tracker for this then or not?
I have no tracker. Who wrote the tracker? Is there an Excel or other type of tracker?
Soggett, perhaps you can answer my question above.
Sam
flat why do u multiply the last won units by 2............... every exel file i saw this
OK guys
Refer to LvF-9 Excel # 119. You will notice the 8 split won as a furthest. Then on Excel # 121, it loses as a furthest. This means that it was in the lasts column on split 121.
You cannot have this situation and say the system wins on repeaters. 8 was a repeater and it lost.
By repeaters, are we saying "repeating" lasts or "repeating" furthest? Not repeating splits?
This is just all too confusing for me.
I thought there was a tracker where we just entered numbers, like MST.
Sam
Don't confuse yourself dear Sam.
the guys will test this with a tracker
when you betting furthest 9 Sam...and 2 repeats happen/4,4,/you won on first 4,and you continue betting furthest9--4 repeats YOU NOW LOSE COUSE FIRST 4 MOVED TO LAST 9
Quote from: soggett on Nov 19, 10:13 AM 2012
first session is ok ;D
and very nice, 40 spins only
question,
why do you multiply it with 2 to get 108 euros?
question to the rest, do we have a tracker for this then or not?
COUSE 1 CHIP= 2 EUROS
All
Is there one person on this forum who can look at the scenario I set out in post #24 and answer me one question:
Do I bet last or furthest?
Sam
Quote from: soggett on Nov 19, 10:13 AM 2012
first session is ok ;D
and very nice, 40 spins only
question,
why do you multiply it with 2 to get 108 euros?
question to the rest, do we have a tracker for this then or not?
iT WON IN 18 SPINS 9X2 CYCLES--dont count tracking just playing spins
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 19, 10:38 AM 2012
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | "WHILE WINNING ON FURTHEST NINE ALWAYS WINNING SPLIT GOES TO BOTTOM OF LAST 9---WHILE TOP SPLIT IN THE LAST 9 GOES TO TOP OF FURTHER 9"yes
FlAtMaN
Iam going to list 9 last and 9 furthest. I will then put in the splits as directed above.
1 2
3 4
5 6
7 8
9 10
11 12
13 14
15 16
17 18
I am going to assume a win on the 8 split. My chart, according to your instructions, would look like this:
1
x 2
3 4
5 6
7 x
9 10
11 12
13 14
15 16
17 18
8
OK, I have done exactly as you say. Now, I must have this question answered or I simply cannot proceed:
After I move the 1 and the 8, which group do I bet on--last or furthest-ON FURTHEST---SINCE YOU ALWAYS START FROM FIRST SPIN WITH LAAST 9-----8 COME FROM FURTHEST 9--SHIFT 8 TO LAST---CLICK TRIGGER FURTHEST 9---AND CONTINUE,COMELAST 9.YOU LOSE--TRIGGER LAST 9, AND SO ON.
Sam
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 19, 10:51 AM 2012
OK guys
Refer to LvF-9 Excel # 119. You will notice the 8 split won as a furthest. Then on Excel # 121, it loses as a furthest. This means that it was in the lasts column on split 121.
You cannot have this situation and say the system wins on repeaters. 8 was a repeater and it lost.
By repeaters, are we saying "repeating" lasts or "repeating" furthest? Not repeating splits?
This is just all too confusing for me.
I thought there was a tracker where we just entered numbers, like MST.
Sam
FlAtMaN
The above was exactly how I was playing it and you told me I was wrong. That you always got the repeaters. Again, is a "repeater" a split or a number?
I have spent about two weeks learning this system only to find I've been chasing my tail as the rules are constantly changing!
This is very distressing.
Good luck to the guys testing this. Considering the hours I've put in on this, when one of you understands it, would you kindly explain it to me?
Sam
Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 19, 11:06 AM 2012
COUSE 1 CHIP= 2 EUROS
oh, LoL :D
Sam, you bet the last 9 till a loss, then you bet the furthest 9 till a loss, then again last 9
and now most important,to see whether each session matches with your tests
won played spins lost
1-session 54=108 euros 18
2 63=126 euros 45
3 72=144 euros 36
4 54=108 euros 18
5 54=108 euros 54
6 54=108 euros 45
7 54=108 euros 63
8 90=180 euros 18
9 171=342 euros 108
10 63=126 euros 45
11 189=378 euros 54
12 90=180 euros 144
13 63=126 euros 90
14 90=180 euros 90
15 72=144 euros 126
16 54=108 euros 135
17 81=162 euros 99
18 54=108 euros 54
19 9= 18 euros first session full played..didn't win required 54 only 9
20 18-second session full played
21 54=108 euros 252
22 54=108 euros 45
23 54=108 euros 18
24 81=162 euros 72
25 54=108 euros 54
26 54=108 euros 45
27 144=288 euros 54
28 72=144 euros 117
29 72=144 euros 54
30 72=144 euros 36
OTHER 4 SESSIONS NOT INVOLVED IN AGREED BET--JUST 30 SESSION
But nevertheless I will continue to test this until it loses 1080-2160 euros
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 19, 11:36 AM 2012
FlAtMaN
The above was exactly how I was playing it and you told me I was wrong. That you always got the repeaters. Again, is a "repeater" a split or a number?
I have spent about two weeks learning this system only to find I've been chasing my tail as the rules are constantly changing!
This is very distressing.
Good luck to the guys testing this. Considering the hours I've put in on this, when one of you understands it, would you kindly explain it to me?
Sam
I can see this is too much for you Sam,but actually it is so simple....rules are not constantly changing.......as you don't understand that the other method on same basic is different method,
and this is different method....go throughout all session and you will find out...rules are clear but
you are hunging to rules of complete different method.....reverse engireeng.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 19, 11:36 AM 2012
FlAtMaN
The above was exactly how I was playing it and you told me I was wrong. That you always got the repeaters. Again, is a "repeater" a split or a number?
I have spent about two weeks learning this system only to find I've been chasing my tail as the rules are constantly changing!
This is very distressing.
Good luck to the guys testing this. Considering the hours I've put in on this, when one of you understands it, would you kindly explain it to me?
Sam
Sam here again,excel 9----from spin 114 you started playing furthers,come;
2-furth-w
18-f-w
10-f-w
9-f-w
5-f-w
6-f-w
5-last lost.....BECAUSE 5 ABOVE BECOMED PART OF LAST 9----AGREE ???NEXT BET YOU CONTINUED BETTING ON FURTHEST 6-WON.......CONTINUE ON FURTHEST COME 5 AGAIN AND YOU LOST COUSE 5 IS NOW PART OF LAST 9------AND NEXT BET IS LAST 9
LvF2 - shouldnt we begin betting after number 22?
at that point we have 9 splits
I noticed some mistakes in LvF3, do we have a tracker for this? all I could find is the one that tracks last 9 splits, do we have the one that changes from last to furthest?
FlAtMaN
This is what I've been trying to get you to say all along. Permit me to say it in my words:
When you are betting for "furthest" and you win you move the winning split to the bottom of the "lasts" column. You move the top split from the "lasts" column to the top of the "furthest" column
AND...............
You continue to bet on "furthest". You continue to bet on "furthest" until a "last" hits and then you switch.
Unless I can't read English, this is what you just said.
___________________________________________________________________________
The above does NOT conform to what you have told me and what is in your previous Excel sheets. I can show you a trot where you bet on the #22 even though it had hit as a "furthest". You won on it again as a "furthest". Now you say this #22 would have gone to the "lasts".
Again I ask, when you say "repeater" do you mean a repeating split or a repeating column? (last or furthest)
Sam
Quote from: soggett on Nov 19, 12:27 PM 2012
LvF2 - shouldnt we begin betting after number 22?
at that point we have 9 splits
I noticed some mistakes in LvF3, do we have a tracker for this? all I could find is the one that tracks last 9 splits, do we have the one that changes from last to furthest?
As I thought you would test this wit a tracker,those are only conditions to get there,
as by hand errors could ocure as I have stated earlier.
Sorry, but no one is going to write a tracker when the rules are unclear.
FlAtMaN
If I can just get some answers, I'd love to use my "TwoCat-FlAtMaN Redneck L V F" tracker as it works very well and is firmly planted in my mind.
Sam
Sam,
from what I can gather by all the reading, you were doing it right (as in repeating splits on the furthest group will be a loss). Whether Flat made a mistake earlier or changed the rules this time, who knows. But from what he's saying now, do as you were doing.
Best of luck bud, don't stress out too much.
MM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 19, 12:45 PM 2012
FlAtMaN
This is what I've been trying to get you to say all along. Permit me to say it in my words:
When you are betting for "furthest" and you win you move the winning split to the bottom of the "lasts" column. You move the top split from the "lasts" column to the top of the "furthest" column
that is only for better explanation--top to top---as it just goes to furthest as a whole box of further 9
AND...............
You continue to bet on "furthest". You continue to bet on "furthest" until a "last" hits and then you switch.
Unless I can't read English, this is what you just said.
___________________________________________________________________________
The above does NOT conform to what you have told me and what is in your previous Excel sheets. I can show you a trot where you bet on the #22 even though it had hit as a "furthest". You won on it again as a "furthest". Now you say this #22 would have gone to the "lasts".
REPEATERS ARE ONLY WINNING ON LAST 9
Again I ask, when you say "repeater" do you mean a repeating split or a repeating column? (last or furthest)--THERE ARE NO COLUMNS HERE EPEATING SPLIT,AND REPEATING SPLIT BETTING FURTHERS CAN'T WIN TWO TIMES IN THE ROW.......JUST FOLLOW THIS,BE GUIDED ONLY ON STARTING LAST 9
FORGET ABOUT FURTHERS AS THEY WILL COME AS READY.
erase 2 on hit of 17
erase 3 on hit of 16
4
erase 5
6
7
8
9-trigger for last 9
2w
5-w
17-l-trigger further 9....you see above you must always have vertical line of last 9
16-w same bet furthest erase 16
16-l-and bet last......because 16 is now part of last 9...you see sometimes you are on last sometimes on furthest...on both last/further are after eithe of two....your vertical last 9
must be your guide...so betting last come furthest,next bet furhest---betting furthest come last 9,
next bet last 9....very simple dear Sam.
Sam
JESUS SAM THAT 22 OF DRAZEN EXCEL IS DIFFERENT BET GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ---LvF 9---
THAT IS DIFFERENT...SHOW ME IN THOSE EXCELS.
Quote from: mattymattz on Nov 19, 01:01 PM 2012
Sam,
from what I can gather by all the reading, you were doing it right (as in repeating splits on the furthest group will be a loss). Whether Flat made a mistake earlier or changed the rules this time, who knows. But from what he's saying now, do as you were doing.
Best of luck bud, don't stress out too much.
MM
THAT WHAT WRITTEN IN FIRST EXCEL IN THE RULES UNDER---IMPORTANT
FlAtMaN
Glad you believe in Jesus! Over here, he's the only hope we got! But I drift..........
Dear Brother
If I make a ten minute movie playing just as I think you are directing, using Excel so you can see what I'm doing, will you take the time and show me the courtesy of watching it and saying I'm either
A Right
B Wrong.
mattymattz
Thanks for weighing in but as FlAtMaN just said, these are new rules.
I'll rake leaves until I hear from FlAtMaN.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 19, 12:45 PM 2012
FlAtMaN
This is what I've been trying to get you to say all along. Permit me to say it in my words:
When you are betting for "furthest" and you win you move the winning split to the bottom of the "lasts" column. You move the top split from the "lasts" column to the top of the "furthest" column
AND...............
You continue to bet on "furthest". You continue to bet on "furthest" until a "last" hits and then you switch.
Sam
this is right Sam, you are doing it correctly
lolz this really cannot be done without a tracker...... what is stop loss suggested here flat
WHAT NEW RULES ???I GOT THE FEELING YOU ARE EITHER PULLING ME UP OR TRULLY DON'T
UNDERSTAND THIS.
DID YOU SEE 1ST EXCEL WITH RULES...ALL SAME THROUGHOUT 34 SESSIONS.....YOU ARE ONE HERE
THAT IS CHANGING RULES SAM AND I HAVE A FEELING YOU ARE LAUGHING RIGHT NOW
THIS IS VERY SERIOUS BUSSINES WHERE I WAS LOOKING FOR COUPLE GUYS WHO WOULD MAKE A TRACKER FOR THIS...AS SIMPLY AS IT CAN BE....MAYBE THEY ARRIVE BY EVENING.
Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 19, 12:48 PM 2012
As I thought you would test this wit a tracker,those are only conditions to get there,
as by hand errors could ocure as I have stated earlier.
yes,
well I have only the one that tracks last 9 splits, guess it will have to do
if anyone has or makes the tracker for furthest/last please post it here
edit:
just read your post Flat
ok, if it comes it will be so much easier
till then I'll use the one I have
FlAtMaN
I would never jerk you or anyone else around. That is not my game. I'm very sorry you feel that way.
It is true, I don't understand. Soggett says I do, now!
I will leave this thread alone for a while.
Again, my apologies. I have the utmost respect for you.
Sam
Quote from: soggett on Nov 19, 01:20 PM 2012
this is right Sam, you are doing it correctly
Then who is doing it uncorectly...if rules are there and 34 sessions under same rules.
Sam is talking about another method that got nothing to do with this that where are confusions going among 2 of us....Show us sam in LvF 9 WHERE I DID BET 2 REPEATS IN FURTHER 9 AS WINNERS.
and don't show drazen session that got nothing with this,as I might explode...jesus
FlAtMaN
Don't want to be the cause of any explosions!
I must go rake leaves. I seem to understand doing that! ;)
Sam
looking for couple trackers for a method see the results replay 31
pm me and we shall talk about it.------now topic locked
Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 19, 01:36 PM 2012
I might explode...jesus
JLs not here any more Flat :thumbsup:
I though that topic is locked.....JL not here????that doesn't bother me
but does couse can't found some derious track makers.
Do yo know any that would understand simplest rules of mine.
I click on close topic but nothing happens.
Not sure if this thread is locked or not - but just wanted to say I am building a tracker in excel (or attempting to). I'll keep you posted.
MM
I can work on a tracker this coming weekend, but I don't see the rules spelled out. Am I missing something?
matt and Wally
I'm working on the rules right now!! I'm sure FlAtMaN will be grateful to hear that!! :thumbsup:
He may hunt me down and kill me!
Sam
Quote from: Wally Gator on Nov 19, 09:39 PM 2012
I can work on a tracker this coming weekend, but I don't see the rules spelled out. Am I missing something?
I deleted it all Wally,and can send you on privat mail.Will then explain reason of deleting it all.
Flat/anyone that knows -
can someone tell me the progression that Flat is using for this? I have the set of rules but it doesn't talk about progression... or is it flatbetting?
Thanks,
MM
+1/-1 in cycles of 9 spins
meaning if after 9 spins you are minus then go up 1 unit, if you are plus go down one unit
ofcourse reset to 1 if overall plus
Thanks Soggett.
I found an error with my tracker - it doesn't like the zero... actually it likes it too much. I can't get the tracker to avoid the zero... working on the fix. An easy fix in the interim would be to just avoid entering it.