I've come over all *hush* John legend and devised a fiendishly simple method with a twist of voodoo, hit 'n' run style.
In all seriousness, it currently has a hit rate of 68 wins to 1 loss. Thats better than sugar ray Leonard!
A win is +1, a loss is -26
Each mini game contains 6 spins.
Double dozens are the game.
Chart in two columns such as this:
1 3
2 1
3 3
We bet that the left hand vertical column doesnt match the right hand vertical column.
So that means 3 bets, 11,33,99
An example:
3 (bet 1 and 2) 3 loss
1 (bet 2 and 3) 2 win etc
More results to come
so you lose when a dozen repeats itself 6 times? or when you have 1,1,2,2,3,3?
Make that 100 wins to 1 loss
But don't get your hopes up, this always happens with new system
Quote from: soggett on Nov 20, 04:41 PM 2012
so you lose when a dozen repeats itself 6 times? or when you have 1,1,2,2,3,3?
Soggett,
You lose when the right column is the same as the left column
1 1
3 3
3 3
Or
2 2
1 1
3 3
Doesn't happen very often though!
Another thing, after a win at whatever level, I see out the whole six block and start afresh from there. It's all part of the voodoo you see
yes, but 6 of the same dozen in a row is a loss too, yes?
1 1
1 1
1 1
well not many of those I suppose, or the
1 1
2 2
3 3
and such
maybe you got something here
Correct soggett on all counts
It's easy and quick to test too
Quote from: buffalowizard on Nov 20, 04:45 PM 2012
Make that 100 wins to 1 loss
But don't get your hopes up, this always happens with new system
Dont get too excited. it hasnt fought my "Marvin Hagler Bad Bast.ard" system yet
Seriously...I will try this but with 4 double dozens (2 dd for each Doz) It gets around the £5 min bet/doz
quick test
78 spins
+13
11 wins on first step
1 on second
1 on third
so far niceeee
Quote from: Turner on Nov 20, 05:03 PM 2012
don't get too excited. it hasn't fought my "Marvin Hagler Bad Bast.ard" system yet
where is this system, or if you haven't posted it yet when are we going to see it?
;D ;D
Guess who's confused? ;D
Are you saying this: Track three columns:
3
1
2
Then go back and bet it won't become:
3 3
1 1
2 2
Sam
Hi sam
This is a dozens method. Say dozen 1 spins, that's
1
Bet against it hitting again and put it next to it
1 1
It did hit so that's one loss. Now let it spin again as we only bet on the right column
1 1
1
Dozen one again, so same as before, bet against it hitting again
1 1
1 3
That's a win. And I wait for the six 'block' to form
1 1
1 3
2 1
And then retrack
Running total is now 131 wins and 2 losses
+79 so far
301 wins
8 losses
+93
1854 spins
More to come
394 wins
11 losses
+108
2430 spins
456 wins @1 unit
13 losses @26 units
+118
2814 spins
So its like 35 to 1. Atm
Yeah pretty much so far...to be continued
Thanks for the explanation.
Sam
Wow, just had a run the lord himself would be proud of.
134 won games before a loss.
I'm testing this on random.org, so simulating a no zero wheel. It's super fast to test by punching in 3 numbers denoting dozens and 2 columns.
590 wins
14 losses
+226
3624 spins
5 more sessions to add (each of 98 spins)
78 wins
2 losses
Added onto running total=
668 wins
16 losses
+252 units
4104 spins
Why -26 by a loss ?!?
Ray
1+1+3+3+9+9=26
Update:
Had a few hairy sessions, but guess what? It came back!
Tested a further 1634 spins
There were 11 losses at -286u
There were 292 wins however so a profit of +6
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Taking the running total to:
Spins: 5736
Wins: 960
Losses: 27
+258 Profit
BW
Just got back to testing this. May be my best system yet.
Another 768 spins.
1 loss to 127 wins
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Running total
Wins: 1088
Losses: 28
Spins: 6508
Profit: +359
Might post a real life sample for newcomers
So the rules are quite ridiculously simple
Tracking dozens in blocks of six
Dozen 1 spins for example
1.
Now bet against it
1. 1
Loss, track another
1. 1
2.
Now bet against 2
1. 1
2. 2
Another loss. Track again
1. 1
2. 2
1
Bet against 1
1. 1
2. 2
1. 3
Win!
If you win first or second bet, carry on until the 6 block is complete and then retrack.
And that is it. I'm very surprised by the hit rate and never expected such good results, but will keep on to give it a good run for its money
are you playing live or RNG
Tom
Mix of random.org numbers and Wiesbaden spins
BW
Hi BW,
doesn't look bad ;)
made a Exceltracker , if someone is intrested.
Ray
This is a good one and easy to play.
Excellent job Mr Buffalo 8)
Cheers fellas, I wish you continued good fortune.
I realised that you can either wait for 3 dozens to hit
1
3
3
Like so and track them vertically. Then bet against them showing again opposite such as:
1. 1
3. 2 win, but complete 6 block
1. 2
Or the other way I explained in previous post. All that matters is and all I'm looking at is that the left side of the 6 block rarely repeats on the right side. 6 dozens do occur and quite often in a session, but this isn't necessarily a loss because it could happen in between wins.
1. 2. Win. See out the block
3 1
3. 2
2. 2
2. 2
2. 1. Win
Dozen 2 repeats 6 times but no loss incurred
2 things:
1. My testing shows you may find a level of success with this as a flat bet (patience required, but less than 300 spins in a session).
2. Is it possible for this to be successful as a reverse bet?
Quote from: Wally Gator on Nov 25, 07:56 PM 2012
2 things:
1. My testing shows you may find a level of success with this as a flat bet (patience required, but less than 300 spins in a session).
2. Is it possible for this to be successful as a reverse bet?
Hi wally
Thanks for testing - I'm sure you're right about flat betting, I have had some seriously long streaks with this. I'd probably be a bit more aggressive in real play due to time but a good shout nonetheless.
Reversing is interesting me already and I will look into it as a one dozen bet, so bet for a repeat within a 6 block?
Cheers
......here's the tracker with comparison of progression and flat betting.
Ray
Much appreciated Ray!
Still going with this one guys - still holding strong
Latest 1500+ spin test
9 losses. -234
279 wins. +279
+45
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Running total=
Spins 8236
Wins 1367
Losses 37
Profit +404
BW
buffalowizard,
From your experience, if you were playing this for real, what kind of bank do you think would be needed?
Trebor
Quote from: trebor on Nov 26, 05:47 PM 2012
buffalowizard,
From your experience, if you were playing this for real, what kind of bank do you think would be needed?
Trebor
Well Trebor, let me put it this way...I test using 98 spin sessions.
In all these sessions, only I think twice have their been 2 losses within 98 spins. This equals -52
However, even this total is diminished by the 14 wins, so in reality that is -38
Within 98 spin cycle, there are quite a few 15/1 ratios and lots of 16/0 ratios. Everything adds to 16, because there are 16x6 blocks in a 98 spin cycle.
So basically a 100 unit bank would be adequate to play with. Also, if you can get on a no zero wheel then this method is even tighter.
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Nov 26, 04:02 AM 2012
Hi wally
Thanks for testing - I'm sure you're right about flat betting, I have had some seriously long streaks with this. I'd probably be a bit more aggressive in real play due to time but a good shout nonetheless.
Reversing is interesting me already and I will look into it as a one dozen bet, so bet for a repeat within a 6 block?
Cheers
I don't say too much or very often, but I can tell you that you've got something here. I think there may be a combination punch using this .... more to follow in about a week.
Buff,
Did a little testing and it seemed almost everytime it lost there was some ugly green number involved. (couple exceptions but a large percentage of lost overall bets had a 0/00 involved)
After losing to a 0 or 00 I simply stopped the bet in it's track (so if I lost the first bet of the line I just let the wheel spin and started 5 spins later...the 4 spins rounding out the session and the first spin to start tracking the next line of bets)
Started over on the next set of six with double the bets and everything seemed to smooth right out.
Obviously over larger amounts of testing that progression may come back and bite me a bit...but something to look at all the same. Not sure how some will feel when the 0/00 hits on the second dozen and you start the next session at $54 per dozen...maybe progression work would have to be factored in when a session is broken off and re-started mid-stream. All the same...nearly all complete losses involved 0/00 on my testing (real American wheel testing)
Maybe... as I think this thru while typing I might be inclined to just abandon the bet when the 0/00 hits and start over on the next set of 6. If it happens on the first spin it only costs me 2 units and after the second it only costs 8. Obviously if it happens on the third we've already gone down in flames for 26 units and the point is moot.
.......here is a version with zero correction and manually change the progression level if needed....
Even then , it still looks nice ;)
Ray
Hi rouletteKEY
I feel for you in America where you have 2 zeros and no other option. I can totally see how they can disrupt this. Your ideas are spot on and perhaps covering it a little each time as a safety measure?
If not then the extra progression may be necessary.
Thanks for testing though and your reports are most welcome
BW
Quote from: rayhd63 on Nov 27, 03:52 AM 2012
.......here is a version with zero correction and manually change the progression level if needed....
Even then , it still looks nice ;)
Ray
That's great Ray,
Hopefully we can get a few more testers aboard. Looking forward to wally's findings
Alright, I just tested 70 spins on a single zero wheel.
Now I see that all we're doing is betting against repeats but we skip a spin. That means we bet the the even number spins don't repeat the odd number spin just before it. How can this win? :question:
Oh yeah. I won 23 units in my 70 spins. I guess that's how it can win. Go figure.
I had 9 even numbers that didn't match the previous odd number.
I had to bet 9-9 four times but they all won.
If I had only bet 1-1;3-3, I would have ended at -9 so that's not so good.
If I had flat bet I would have broken even.
So, flat bet = +0
1-1; 3-3 = -9
1-1; 3-3; 9-9 = +23
If I had lost 1 of the 4 times I had to bet 9-9, I would have finished -4.
Here's BW's record
Running total=
Spins 8236 @ 60 spins per hour = 137 hours of play at a fast game
Wins 1367 = 10 wins per hour
Losses 37 = .27 losses per hour or a loss every 3.7 hours
36.9 wins for every loss
Profit +404 = 2.9 units per hour
I'm not being negative about this at all BW. On the contrary it looks very good.
After so many hours of play, to be winning 2.9 units per hour is phenominal.
If this were the end of the story it's game, set, match!
GLC
P.S. By the way, would you please delete my previous posts. They may work, but I don't think they add much to the system.
GLC
Posts deleted as requested. Thanks for doing a bit of testing with this idea. I don't know why but this is proving a tough but to crack. Been here before though and just waiting for the inevitable slide.
It's great you extracted even further into my current results and no doubt I will continue on. If you get a chance then some more testing would beach appreciated
Thankyou
BW
Just done another 98 spin test. 16 wins to 0 losses
I have included where in the 6 block the wins came
1 2 +1
2 1
2 3
3 3
1 1
1 3 +2
2 2
1 1
3 1 +3
2 1 +4
1 3
3 3
3 3
2 2
2 3 +5
1 2 +6
1 3
2 2
3 1 +7
1 2
3 3
1 2 +8
3 1
1 3
1 3 +9
2 1
2 3
2 1 +10
2 2
1 3
2 2
3 2 +11
3 1
1 3 +12
3 1
3 2
1 1
2 2
2 1 +13
1 3 +14
3 2
2 3
1 1
1 2 +15
1 2
3 1 +16
3 1
3 3
Quote from: rayhd63 on Nov 27, 03:52 AM 2012
.......here is a version with zero correction and manually change the progression level if needed....
Even then , it still looks nice ;)
Ray
Ray, great spreadsheet. I believe the following formula should be modified, though:
=IF(E105="","",IF(D105=0,"NB",IF(E105=0,-2,G105*H105)))
modify to read
=IF(E105="","",IF(D105=0,"NB",IF(E105=0,G105*H105,G105*H105)))
reason: if we are playing the second bet and a 0 hits, we are still losing -2*3, not just -2.
Hope that helps.
Hey Wally,
you got me on that one. I tried so many scenarios...... But not this one. Nice to see , someone is taking notice.
Here is the corrected version. Hope not to see that combination Dz,0,Dz,0,Dz,0 :embarrassed:
Ray
Did some testing on the combination I was looking for, but it's not worth sharing as there's no benefit. Appears the best way to play this method is that of buffalowizards 3 step approach. Good luck.
Ran over 300 spins from Spielbank.
I don't know what to make of it.
Anyone?
Sam
If I understand this, you are betting against a dozen repeating for three times in a row.
1 1 2 2 3 3
The first dozen doubled, then the second, then the third. Could also be:
33 22 33
Is that it?
Sam
Hi Sam thanks for testing
However you may have to do some recalculations. You only look for 1 win in each six block. So if you win on first row then you wait and retrack
BW
OK, I see.
I was just putting in the numbers and letting the tracker do the rest.
Sam
Don't know if anybody else has looked at this angle...I think sometimes my brain tends to look at things different than everybody else so for anybody that has a lot of numbers tested on this method, this question is to you.
If you waited for a virtual loss (the three repeaters in a row 1,1 2,2 3,3 or 2,2 2,2, 1,1 ,etc) and then started play... I used the next 10 bet sequences (that would be a total of 60 spins for anywhere between 10 and 30 total bets) does that affect your win rate?
I have it tracked against almost 2000 actual spins and do not have any losses after waiting for the virtual loss trigger.
Of course because the loss rate is low I am also nowhere near betting on even 200 spins of the 2000 either (0, 00 wheel)
Just a thought
I bet using multiple simultaneous methods so waiting 150 spins to get a trigger is not a huge deal to me, that may be a big issue for others.
Hi RK
I was tempted to mention waiting for a virtual loss as I have not seen 2 consecutive losses in over 6000 spins, but youre looking at maybe 1 or 2 bets per 100 spins so I believed no one would buy it.
It's an almost guaranteed winner if you hang around that long and like you haves by different methods
BW
Hey RK,
this is not bad. I also thought at that idea. But like BW said it takes really long to get to that point.
The only thing that I would do in that case. Bet a higher amount !!!! So it was worth the wait !!!
In that case you would get your Winn goal faster !!
Ray
Yeah that was my point (waiting is irrelevant to my style of play)...since I play longer sessions anyway...waiting for a long but worthwhile trigger would let you play $100 units or the like and make it worth your while. To me it doesn't make any difference on the wait and an extra $100 per session is never a bad thing even if I played and won one sequence...and if I played all 10 or 15 successfully...well that would be a little better than gas money wouldn't it?
Of course the downside is if it fails in one of the first live money trials and you're down $2600 out of the box it's gonna take a while to dig outta that hole.
I'm going to run a couple more thousand actual spins and see. It's obviously still a risk even if it wins 40:1 there's nothing chiseled in stone that I didn't come in on the tail end of a 120 spin winning streak and the gods of equality are about to let 'er lose 4 out of the next 40 spins on my session.
If anybody has any analysis on this I would be interested to hear or see the numbers on this twist though. (waiting for the trigger)
I'll post again once I run more numbers (I only play live 00 wheels so for anybody on RNG or European wheels my numbers won't be accurate for their scenarios)
Okay...just ran a few thousand b&m 00 wheel spins
Looked at a couple things...maybe look for a repeat after a loss on a progressive bet to recover...so/so results there...never went past an 8 step progression but you know sooner or later it's coming
Looked at only playing after a total loss (string of threee losing bets in a row), and honestly even with my longer sessions didn't get enough losses to achieve any real play and really didn't want to start with $200 initial bets to make it worthwhile.
For now the most profitable and playable for me was to continuosly track and as soon as there were two single bet losses in a row (didn't matter if it was the third bet in a line spilling over to the first bet in the next line) I would start play with the standard (1,3,9 using whatever unit size fits) and I suffered no losses at all for a few thousand spins.
I was covering the 0/00 though... and it did come into play what I would have to consider a statistically significant amount of time in this seemingly short testing. For the small amount of actual bets placed, the way I tested it, the 0/00 has to be accounted for and I would play the greens big enough to win what I would win on the dozens and also account for a small progression as if I were playing them as a 2 number inside bet.
That's where I am at on this, if anyone else is testing this against a 00 wheel I would be anxious to hear any results. :'(