Its my take on extensive testing and conclusions being made from results. I posted this before.
Betting for another repeat after a line repeats - so after you see 55 you bet 5. 21 step progression for a total risk of around 160 units. Strike rate to break even 37/1 So far after around 3600 games strike rate around 100/1. 37 loses. Few winning streaks over 200. Around 50 spins on average for a game so its around 180k spins. Would you consider it a good method based on these stats? ;D
Just a food for thought.
Clarification, please............
OK, you get the 5 followed by the 5. Now, do you begin betting the five and continue until it hits
Or
Do you bet for a single three-peat and move on if it loses?
5 5 2..........loss..........continue with 5
Or
5 5 2.........look for new double?
3 3............
8 8 ...........
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 22, 01:21 AM 2012
Clarification, please............
OK, you get the 5 followed by the 5. Now, do you begin betting the five and continue until it hits
Or
Do you bet for a single three-peat and move on if it loses?
5 5 2..........loss..........continue with 5
Or
5 5 2.........look for new double?
3 3............
8 8 ...........
Sam
You always look for a new double and adjust your progression.
This sounds like a pretty good system.
No one will pay any attention to it!! :P
LOL
Sam
i did pay attention to it ;D :thumbsup:
so if i understand correctly
you wait for the double trigger and then bet for your first step of the progression.
if it wins -> new game
if it loses -> wait for other double trigger and bet 2nd step of progr ?
Sorry, Stef
Just naturally thought you'd be reading the latest from ignatus!
How rich is he now? I forget........
Sam
Guys
My point is that you go through fluctuations with your methods. You hit 200+ winning streaks but also pretty close loses to each other. As a matter of fact i just ran few quick sessions and had 2 loses in 15 games ;D Some methods hold very well in a large number of games but suddenly losing streaks start to appear much often. Its pointless to predict a strike rate in the long run.
I just mentioned this method because it behaved remarkably steady overall.
Sam,
No didnt read his post yet.
Well actually, i've read one of his first and it said enough :-)
There is no longer series which is the same. test while play.
I may script this but have to be sure I got the rules. It has to be played at a table with no free spins.
So I think of random bet 1 cent while tracking, and 0.5 Euro after trigger.
What is the progression in detail.
Do we wait for two hits in a row on a line, and bet for the line to come the third time?
When it does not hit the third time, do we then retrack and start over using the next step in the progression?
Are we using the six lines or even the 5 other.
I think this method can win or lose and it dependes on things we can't predict.
Quote from: Ralph on Nov 22, 01:59 AM 2012
There is no longer series which is the same. test while play.
I may script this but have to be sure I got the rules. It has to be played at a table with no free spins.
So I think of random bet 1 cent while tracking, and 0.5 Euro after trigger.
What is the progression in detail.
Do we wait for two hits in a row on a line, and bet for the line to come the third time?
When it does not hit the third time, do we then retrack and start over using the next step in the progression?
Are we using the six lines or even the 5 other.
I think this method can win or lose and it dependes on things we can't predict.
You are right. I did not post it as a winning method but just to show that any method can act as a winning one in a long run. This one is not different. ;D
I coded it the way I understand the method, and run it for 980 spins with 38 units profit. It was down about 45 at most. The script place one small chip on red until a trigger, and then bet on the line, goes back to bet red upon a loss and continue the next trigger.
I have not fixed indexoutofbounds in the script yet, I never climbet so high in the progression.
The session should be reset after a win, to start the progression all over.
pos=0;
var i =0;
var index=0;
posarr = new Array(1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20);
s0 = ",1,2,3,4,5,6,";
s1 = ",7,8,9,10,11,12,";
s2 = ",13,14,15,16,,17,18,";
s3 = ",19,20,21,22,23,24,";
s4 = ",25,26,27,28,29,30,";
s5 = ",31,32,33,34,35,36,";
rarr = new Array(s0,s1,s2,s3,s4,s5);
barr = new Array("1d6","7d12","13d18","19d24","25d30","31d36");
var koll = new Array();
var ret = "";
function extfunc(number,betsize, bet){
if(number=="0") return "rr"+ "/0";
for(i=0;i<6;i++){
if( rarr[i].indexOf("," + number + ",")>-1){
koll[koll.length] = i;
index = i;
}
}
if(koll.length>1){
if(koll[koll.length-1] == koll[koll.length-2]){
pos = pos +1;ret="";
for(j=0;j<pos;j++){
ret = ret + "," + barr[index];
}
return ret + "/" + betsize;
} else {
return "rr" + "/0";
}
} else {
return "rr" + "/0";
}
}
Quote from: Ralph on Nov 22, 03:57 AM 2012
I coded it the way I understand the method, and run it for 980 spins with 38 units profit. It was down about 45 at most. The script place one small chip on red until a trigger, and then bet on the line, goes back to bet red upon a loss and continue the next trigger.
I have not fixed indexoutofbounds in the script yet, I never climbet so high in the progression.
The session should be reset after a win, to start the progression all over.
pos=0;
var i =0;
var index=0;
posarr = new Array(1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20);
s0 = ",1,2,3,4,5,6,";
s1 = ",7,8,9,10,11,12,";
s2 = ",13,14,15,16,,17,18,";
s3 = ",19,20,21,22,23,24,";
s4 = ",25,26,27,28,29,30,";
s5 = ",31,32,33,34,35,36,";
rarr = new Array(s0,s1,s2,s3,s4,s5);
barr = new Array("1d6","7d12","13d18","19d24","25d30","31d36");
var koll = new Array();
var ret = "";
function extfunc(number,betsize, bet){
if(number=="0") return "rr"+ "/0";
for(i=0;i<6;i++){
if( rarr[i].indexOf("," + number + ",")>-1){
koll[koll.length] = i;
index = i;
}
}
if(koll.length>1){
if(koll[koll.length-1] == koll[koll.length-2]){
pos = pos +1;ret="";
for(j=0;j<pos;j++){
ret = ret + "," + barr[index];
}
return ret + "/" + betsize;
} else {
return "rr" + "/0";
}
} else {
return "rr" + "/0";
}
}
Thanks for testing Ralph. This bet just illustrates that with a long progression you can get very good results in the long run with any method. Btw betting for just a single repeat here also produced a very good run in around 2k games. But its not what i would play.
I think I have posted before a test I did using just one straight up. It could stand 400 sleeping spins for a number, if it come once. I bet one unit and add an unit after a win and not new high. It could take several thousend spins to end, but ended plus. Not well ahead if we see to the number of spins, but still ahead. As soon the number clustered the recover was speedy.
Did a try using the script. This time bet the same unit size on the lines as on the red. Using 0.01 chip, set the wintarget to 100 unit and started the bot. Needed 56 spins until it stopped with 139 units plus.
Another run, started the bot and relaxed for 1 Euro. This went down about 500 units. The progression was 50 units at the end of game. It was 569 spins.
Ended with 404 units plus. The progression used is +1 every time we play a line, do not reset until new high.
The method wait for the point the line start to cluster. Last spins was three hits in a row, which means the line hit 5 times.
This is next run, and it went plus, as all up to now. Lost connection with Bv and had to restart, it is about 100 more spins done than the picture tell.
Continue some tests. 48 spins the bot stops if 100 plus. 111 plus this time.
170 spins and plus 159. All won up to now. It will meet a loss in time.
More spins, still making a small profit.(due to bet size) 111 spins and net is 172.
was deep around 600, so a bad run can take all winnings back. With lucky numbers we win.
This time I run semiautomatic using 0.01 on the Ec and 0.1 on the line.
Just next, still not have losed, 104 spins. back around 230 using the same as preivios 0.1 on line bet 0.01 on EC.
Got 455 plus (0.01). I do not think this will allways win, as not any I have been trying, still it is possible to win long time, and stay a head.
The longest run, I was fearing it would bust, but a better streak comes so it ended with 348 plus.
The progression were 1+ every time a line in play, it went up to 161 units a bet. 907 spins.
Down about 2000 max.
I played 0.01 chips on lines and ECs.
Some thousend spins it has stand, which many methods can do, with a bankroll of 5000 units.
Quote from: Ralph on Nov 24, 03:42 PM 2012
The longest run, I was fearing it would bust, but a better streak comes so it ended with 348 plus.
The progression were 1+ every time a line in play, it went up to 161 units a bet. 907 spins.
Down about 2000 max.
I played 0.01 chips on lines and ECs.
Some thousend spins it has stand, which many methods can do, with a bankroll of 5000 units.
Yeah
Lots of players assume that if something holds after large numbers of spins that it will hold forever.
I had debates on this subject with JL. His PB after 6000 games stands at 11/1 well above 7/1 average. I had some problems with his other stats but his run seems to be possible. If you run your system through 1M spins bad and good runs just average out and the expected result is a loss at HE rate. If you pick 10k or 100k spins playing one or 10 sessions a day then there is a chance to get a more favorable ratio of good runs. There is no way to avoid or minimize bad runs. You can only make some damage control when you meet them.
QuoteIf you pick 10k or 100k spins playing one or 10 sessions a day then there is a chance to get a more favorable ratio of good runs
If you mean there is a difference between:
1. playing 10 spins/day for 100 days (1000 spins total)
2. playing 1000 spins all consecutively
Then I'm sorry you are wrong. Thinking otherwise is classic gambler fallacy. The old hit and run approach is very, very, very well tested.
Either way don't take my word. Just keep testing, but do enough testing to be statistically relevant.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 26, 02:36 AM 2012
If you mean there is a difference between:
1. playing 10 spins/day for 100 days (1000 spins total)
2. playing 1000 spins all consecutively
Then I'm sorry you are wrong. Thinking otherwise is classic gambler fallacy. The old hit and run approach is very, very, very well tested.
Either way don't take my word. Just keep testing, but do enough testing to be statistically relevant.
I think there are no proper answer. We can say it does matter or it does not matter, we know for the 1000 spins afterwards.
In a very long test the evidence it does not matter will be more strong.
Specially for shorter test, we must see the difference between expected value and and the real.
Which is the chance to stay a head if you are, is a temporary status which will change in time, long or short. It is from that experience HAR has supporters.
What is all waiting for different triggers, play a few spins, wait again if not a kind of implementation of HAR. Leave the table while ahead, is understandable and hardly HAR, even if it often is just a kind of bookkeeping the winnings, and forget the losses.
There is nothing saying somebody never can get a very long period of very high hit rate, and the opposite is true too.
I'm not sure what you are saying.
Simply the more testing that is done, the more reliable the results are.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 26, 02:36 AM 2012
If you mean there is a difference between:
1. playing 10 spins/day for 100 days (1000 spins total)
2. playing 1000 spins all consecutively
Then I'm sorry you are wrong. Thinking otherwise is classic gambler fallacy. The old hit and run approach is very, very, very well tested.
Either way don't take my word. Just keep testing, but do enough testing to be statistically relevant.
The only way you can "disguise" gambler's F*** is to select the spins you interact with, using a trigger of some sort.
I observe that there is an average behavior in 1000 consecutive spins.
Maybe focusing on exploring some sorts of imbalance or strong deviations may get different results. At least it has been like that for me, and i tested more spins than i can play in a lifetime.
This is one thing, another equally important is to have a very thoughtful money management so you can get the most profit and the less risk of your betting opportunities.
I often read stuff here that shows a slight confusion on these 2 topics.
Cheers
Cheers
AL
QuoteThe only way you can "disguise" gambler's F*** is to select the spins you interact with, using a trigger of some sort.
A system can have whatever "triggers" you want, but you need to carefully check if that trigger is an indicator that know the next spin outcomes with better than random accuracy.
First people need to understand WHY you must increase accuracy of predictions. It is explained at the free roulette strategy pages starting with :.genuinewinner.com/truth/
When the WHY is understood, people then understand they should focus on testing the working principles of systems and whether or not they increase accuracy of predictions. Not wasting time testing the system as a whole because it will not tell you more than testing the actual working principle.
For example... after 100 reds in a row, is black any more likely to spin next? Nope.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 26, 02:36 AM 2012
If you mean there is a difference between:
1. playing 10 spins/day for 100 days (1000 spins total)
2. playing 1000 spins all consecutively
Then I'm sorry you are wrong. Thinking otherwise is classic gambler fallacy. The old hit and run approach is very, very, very well tested.
Either way don't take my word. Just keep testing, but do enough testing to be statistically relevant.
There is no difference. You know that I'm no advocate of HAR. ;D I meant that if everything fails in 1M spins you still can get good runs in smaller number of spins. That's the reason i posted this method. It has held well in 200k spins but i don't endorse it. I don't need further tests.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 26, 10:25 PM 2012
There is no difference. You know that I'm no advocate of HAR. ;D I meant that if everything fails in 1M spins you still can get good runs in smaller number of spins. That's the reason i posted this method. It has held well in 200k spins but i don't endorse it. I don't need further tests.
I did this test anyhow, as it got me 10 Euros! ;D
Quote from: Ralph on Nov 27, 02:45 AM 2012
I did this test anyhow, as it got me 10 Euros! ;D
Yeah
At least you attributed your results to luck ;D Some guys guarantee it that their system will be always ahead.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 26, 04:37 PM 2012
For example... after 100 reds in a row, is black any more likely to spin next? Nope.
It is not, for fact. However, as soon as that series break with a black, the next series of reds will most certainly be shorter than the previous.
By this i mean it corrects sooner or later. As you said "
people,,, should focus on testing the working principles of systems and whether or not they increase accuracy of predictions"I must agree 100%
I think soon or later a cluster will come. That's make the question of stop/loss.
This method should not be better than any betting, if it not are so it wait for a cluster, which will come soon or later, may be too late of course
I have been running quite a few without a loss. The worse today, which last 827 spins, was down 1200 about, but ended 255 plus.
below the numbers: the 827 last, as some is from session before.
26,26,19,24,25,29,23,11,15,35,31, 6,22,16,20,36,11,11,26,11, 0,34, 4,25,15, 5,25, 0,23,34,26,27,21,30,22,10, 4,35,33,34,25,34,14,26,19, 8,31,34, 5,27,25,34, 0,14,14,27, 6, 7,15,19,11,26, 2,19,36,17,31,17,24,32,31, 9, 5,19,26,14,23,11, 8,15,29,13,19,25,31,33, 3, 7, 2,23,36, 0, 9,17, 5,35,29,31,11,18,23, 7, 4,28,17,31,34,15, 5,33, 7,25,10, 0,23,15,17,30,21, 0, 9,16,23, 9,10,24, 4,11, 6,18,19, 7,16, 2,20, 2,36,32,11,29,36,21,21,15,31,29,31,23, 8,32,20, 4,15,17,14,34,15,30,11,11,23,28,21,34,36,36,10,15,12,20, 8,30,24,26,32, 3, 8,25, 6,11, 0,31, 5,11,11,11,12,13,31,35,11,12, 9,21, 4, 7, 6,26,14,15,16, 8, 0,16,30,29,19, 0, 4,34,29, 8,34,26,30,33,33, 9,36,22,15,35,22, 9,27,25,10,15,19,27,12, 6,27,27,12,32, 6,16,22,21, 7,16, 2,32,19, 1,35, 9, 3,10, 0,20, 1,27,16,33, 7,15,24,17,21,23,31,29,36,13,31, 4,21,35,17,32,28, 4, 8, 6,36,24,23,27, 9,24, 5,32,33,14, 4, 2,29, 0,17,30, 2,29, 0,25,16,15,21, 7,26,18,27,11,21,36,25, 3, 2, 7,23,11,20,25, 7,27,29,22,27,16, 0,11,27,21, 2,19,13,30,14, 2,23,23,13,15,27,17,18,33, 7,22,36,32,12,22,22,27,10,22,28, 0,10,20,19,31,21, 0,31, 2, 8,16,34, 8,11,36,32,13,34,11,18,33, 8,19,16,15, 3,27,13,11,25, 1, 6,15,36,32, 2,30,35,25, 0,16,19, 7, 3,23, 2,19, 3,12,26,22,20, 9,20,11,33,14,33,12,36, 0,22,17, 9,29, 5, 5,16,30, 9, 0, 7,11, 3,22,19,31,17,27, 5,24,31,24,26, 8,22,23,15,17,33,16,16, 6,12, 0,25, 0,31, 2,24,13, 7, 2, 3,14, 2,17,34,21,23,29,36,32,27,19,21, 0, 2,27,15, 5,25,29,25,13,13,11, 7,26, 0,25,17, 9, 0,11,29,10,12,33,23,35,29, 9,16,16, 1,12,26,25,26,32,20,10,25,34,19,31, 3,35, 6,30,12, 4, 8, 7,17,30,33,18, 2, 3, 8,14,31,14,30,17,23, 2,11,27,15,13,32,11,13, 1, 4, 8,22, 7,14, 8,16,26, 2, 2,19,15,25,25,22,19,27, 8, 3,24, 8,29,16,13, 3,17,11, 7,20,20, 4,12, 7, 4,11,19, 5, 6,33,27,30,14, 5,24,12,27,15,31, 8,15,22,29,15,12,14,18,19,22,22, 5,28, 7,24,19,32,17,21,12,32,29, 7,19, 9,22,22,24, 6,32,10, 6, 3, 3,34,20,33,33, 2,27, 6,12,33,26,23,24,13,34,20, 3,25,18, 5,32,21,35,14,35,28,16,23,14,10,29, 4,17, 3,25,12,28, 5,13,20,29,30,31,28,21,36,31,20,35, 4, 0, 5, 3,30,16,32,32, 5, 1,31,32, 2, 4,27, 3,18, 1,15, 2,22, 0,29,19,13, 8, 3,33,31, 4,16, 6,31, 2,27,28,28,25, 4,26,32, 9, 9,26, 3,21,36, 0, 4,30, 8, 7, 5,18, 3, 6,34,17,15,25, 0, 5,17,20,25,15,36,33,16,31, 1,15,31,19, 3,25,10, 7,17, 5,13, 5,10,26,28, 8,25, 4, 3,12,13,20, 8, 6,18, 1, 6, 8,19,14,35, 0, 2,27,27,34,23, 8,31, 0, 9,34,27,24, 1,34,11,13,36, 4, 0,31,35,31,21,13,32, 3,35,27, 5,29,18,24,17, 8,27, 0,36,21,26, 8,31,11,30, 2,15,15,10,28,14,22,18,24,26,17,29,27,13,18,29, 4,11,10,13,23,11, 8,29,26, 4,20,12,14,13,30,11, 4,17,13, 2,23,34,14,15,14,36,35, 8,13,28, 1, 3,28, 3, 1,24,34,36,27, 2,24, 7,13,21,24,26,27,25,26,21,25,22,28,31,23,28, 0,14, 5,14,30,30,22,36,15, 0, 6, 7,27,15,23,12,28, 2,15, 8,18,33, 7, 3,22,18,34,20,36,26,17,14, 8,17,26, 9,23,17,31,30,30,29, 4,17, 3,33, 2, 4,18, 2,31,21,28, 7, 5,24,11,17,28,28, 5,32, 1,22,28, 2,11,23,27, 1, 0,31,31, 7,13,35,34,18,16,21,21,31,15, 4,35, 6,24,26,33,24,10,23, 6,31, 8,21,30,15,20, 8,13, 3, 5,10,19,16,23,26,17, 0,36,28, 6, 4, 5,14,27,10,18, 8, 1,23,17, 8,11,12,25,28,30,30,
Yet one more run. Last 173 spins. About 100 down at most. Won 105 units .
I will see how long it will take until I get a loss of 5000 units.
The numbers:
12, 0, 8, 1, 4,31,23, 1,31, 9, 6,20, 0,13,20, 6,28,29,14,22, 2,32,11,28,23,36,28,16,26, 6,12,24,20, 7, 8,20,36,36,30,28,31,28,10,34, 8,18,36,15,18,15,10,22,33,34, 2, 5, 0, 5, 9,17,20,12,18,32,14,14,17,33, 4,25, 0,10,13, 6,22, 0,22,17, 7, 0, 8,26,33, 9,31,26,11,14, 1,33,18,23,17,25,32,26,12,28,16,34, 7, 9,31,17,10, 5, 7, 3,10, 9,16,15,14,21, 7,25,15,32,20, 0, 3,30,13,32,19, 7,36,13,23, 8,14,13,19, 3,27,28,33,17, 1,22, 6,24,22,30,27,33,14,14,20,25,17,11,34,18,13,17,27,30, 6,10,20,18,24, 8, 9,18,29,36, 1,25,34,36,35,
This was rather short, 112 plus and 63 spins. If you try it I advice using small stakes and be able to take a loss of 5000 units (50 Euro) whith a breeze.
The numbers.
2,33, 8,14,31, 2,32, 0,31,23,16,25, 7,34, 8,30,21, 6,17,16,16,18,30, 9, 0, 6,29,11, 7,31, 3, 0,17,34, 7, 1,27,22, 1,12,24,19,24,19, 2,10,14,32,33,23,28,17, 5,23,30,18,20, 8, 0, 2,35,36,35,
Quote from: Ralph on Nov 30, 06:02 AM 2012
This was rather short, 112 plus and 63 spins. If you try it I advice using small stakes and be able to take a loss of 5000 units (50 Euro) whith a breeze.
The numbers.
2,33, 8,14,31, 2,32, 0,31,23,16,25, 7,34, 8,30,21, 6,17,16,16,18,30, 9, 0, 6,29,11, 7,31, 3, 0,17,34, 7, 1,27,22, 1,12,24,19,24,19, 2,10,14,32,33,23,28,17, 5,23,30,18,20, 8, 0, 2,35,36,35,
Ralph, so did you take a loss of 5000 units here?
I has not happen yet, but it will at time, hopfully I got more in before.
Quote from: Ralph on Dec 01, 03:57 PM 2012
I has not happen yet, but it will at time, hopfully I got more in before.
Ralph,
There's four numerical labels/boxes on the GUI that don't have labels saying what they represent. Could you add those or explain those?
Please have a look at the picture. The bot read tokens, a token for every possible bet.
7d12 is a bet on line 2. Example 1s3 is the first street, 1c5 is the corner 1245
rr,bb,ee,oo,ll,hh represent the EC ld,mdl,hd the dozen co1,co2,co3 the cols.
The scripts makes a string with comma delimeters and feed the bets to the bot.
It is the lowest number and a mark plus the highest number which describes a bet.
Single by the number.
Quote from: Ralph on Dec 01, 10:10 PM 2012
Please have a look at the picture.
Oh ok thanks.
If you put all the test data in an excel sheet and charted it, what would it look like at this point?
Let the bot run during the night, it stopped at 877 spins. with 1383 units plus, the bet was 140, which means the progressions and lines has hit 140 times.
The numbers:
31, 3,10,29,21,10,36,26,17, 1,27,11,28,19, 7,36, 5,29,35,19, 5,34, 4,36,27,28,15,27,33,27, 2,29,30,30,19, 3,19,27,10,27,34,14, 1,18, 5, 4,11, 9,30, 3,17, 8, 7,36,35,18,24,10,10,33,17, 5,23,16,29,20,35,25,23,13,10,14, 7,11,15,13, 5, 9,21,35,25,17,35,15,18, 8,32,11,22, 0, 2,20,17, 5,13,32, 7,14,21,21,11,25,10,28, 0, 1,33,15,36,28,25,31, 2,10,19,21,26,27,27, 7,14,15, 4,14,30, 5,19, 0,22,13,22,23,30,28,19,28,11,35,32,24,20,35,31, 3,31,32,13,18,33,12,29,21, 0,16, 3, 6,14, 1,23,13,21,19,11,13,30, 8,26,24,30,33,10,11,13,22, 0,16,25,19,10,29,16,34,30, 6, 1,31,21, 2,33,32,21,14,33,10, 7, 4,22,19,25, 9, 2, 1,27,21,20,32,12, 6, 8,18, 9,16,33,11, 1, 0,25,27,10,12,22,16,36,25,25,18,13,36,26, 0,33, 7,25,11,19,10, 0,24, 3,34,19,29,13,12,10,14, 9, 9,21,16,29,28,26,14,36,25,22,13,15, 3,11,29,17,27,28,10, 0,34,23, 4,18,31, 0,11, 8,36,16,17,36,24, 3,16, 5,28,36, 8,27, 4,18,33,29,24,32, 1, 7,18,15, 3,25, 8, 8,23, 1, 4,17, 4, 2, 8,18,17, 5,28, 6, 4,20,13,15,16, 4,23, 8, 3,27,20,16,34,29, 4, 8, 2,22, 4, 7,11,21,13,33,25,30, 2,17, 5,34, 6,27,18,19,29,32,10,15,35,25, 6, 9, 4,22, 6,32,36, 8,12,23, 5,32, 8,16,10,33,12,23,31,18,16,11,16,28,19, 9,21, 4,32,19, 1,18,17,31,31, 5,20, 5,27,12,32,15, 3,22,16,34, 3,11,12,16,25,21,16, 3,23,17,29,22, 8,25, 1,35,10,17, 1,25,27,26,12,29, 8, 4,29, 2, 6,31,12,21,26,17, 9, 0, 0,11,19, 7,18, 6,34, 9,18,22, 5,33,22,15,16, 2, 6, 7,11,36,31,28,24,18,20,19,13, 9, 9,15,20, 6,27,30,15,16, 1, 0, 3,34,26,18,12,16,19,22,31,22, 8, 1,12,31, 5,20,32,16,15, 3,17, 3,21, 7,28,25, 5, 6,33, 6,20,27,26,19,27,30,35,24, 5, 0,15,31,22,22,11,16,15, 7,33,24,35,28, 4, 9,34, 8,20,36,19, 8,25,25,28,18, 9,25,28,15, 5,19, 4,14,23,30,22,18, 9, 4,10,30, 1,36, 2, 2,35,29, 8, 9,16,27,19,34,14, 8, 5,35,18,27,30,30,34, 3,21, 9,19,19,24, 7,18, 9,35,36, 2, 4, 3,18,27,34, 2,13,28, 0,10,35,20, 8,13,22, 7,33,21, 0,36,32,11,18,34,26,19,10,15,23,12,23,34,25,33,13, 2,19,19, 2,36,11,11, 9,30, 6, 7,28,17,32, 6,32,24,17,17,19, 7, 2, 3,27,35,21,10,36,32,24,32,35, 8,33,22,15,22,25,21,12, 9, 8, 4,22,25,19,25, 3,31,24,28, 7,17, 3, 5,34, 7,13,21,22, 3,10, 8,12,12, 4,36,15, 2, 7, 9,25,29,20,33,27, 7,14,25,19,34,11,13,28,11, 4,14,20, 1, 5,11,30,26,32, 1,32,13, 3,27,30,27, 0,21,30, 6,22,34,26,34,34,10,17,11,35,19,29,23, 3,32,34, 2,18, 3,12, 0, 2,18,18, 7,18,24, 3, 7,36,24,33,27, 2,29,19,26,12,32,35, 2,31,20,23, 2,24,14,16,22,29,33,11,13,12,27,20, 4, 3,16,34,17,29,21,18, 9, 5,16, 1, 5,11,30,24,27, 9,15,12,16,21, 7,29,27,35,17,28,28,17, 1,22, 4,19,12,27,31, 1, 7,32,33,35,31,15, 1,15,33,25,33, 4, 1,31, 4, 6,33,27, 7,19, 7,24,14,28, 9,14,26,15,17, 8,17, 2,12,31,29, 8,31, 2, 1, 7,20,19,26,27,27, 6,33, 8,20,16,16,14,22, 1,20,20,20,21,
Quote from: Still on Dec 01, 10:19 PM 2012
Oh ok thanks.
If you put all the test data in an excel sheet and charted it, what would it look like at this point?
May work, but the bot is for the time designed for scripts only. The bot read the balance so the script just take care of the bets which should be returned. I did not include excel this time, Steff took care of that, and if I am not wrong you has done work with an excel bot too.
If I type or feed just comma delimetered numbers, the bot will read it as bet straight up.
Feeding rr,oo,ll will place on EC red odd and low
Now I am total plus, so a disaster will go as worse to break even. Now we know wins as well as loss can cluster. Time will tell.
This run for 437 spins. 151 units plus.
The numbers:
31, 6,33,12,24,16,22,12, 7,27,10,35,34, 9,13,15, 3,16, 4,29, 4,25,29, 5,19, 7,36, 1,36,36,29,12,22,17,24, 7,21, 8, 9,33, 6,34,19,26,31,26,21, 5,20, 0,26, 6,34, 5, 1,23, 2, 2, 7, 8,24,23,33,27,20, 2, 9, 7,19,17, 5,22, 1,34,23, 5,13,19, 7,31,10,35, 6, 1,34,18, 0,25,25,20,34,32,33,20, 4,18,36, 6,14,21, 8,18,20,10,24, 7, 4,25,11,32,22, 4,25, 4,32,14,24, 1,16,11,24,35, 2,12,17, 2,27,23,27, 7,31,15,35,17,16,22,19,26, 7,21,18, 2, 2,23,21,21,18,32,12,35,35, 4,27, 6, 0,30,17,32,29, 7,11, 5, 1, 2,15, 7,10, 2,12,15,20,14, 3, 1,20,19,35,23,28,32, 9,28,18,35,19, 7,13,14, 3, 1, 8,12,25, 4,12, 6,14,14, 3, 3,28,15, 8, 2,20, 5,20,30, 7,24, 4, 8,16,32,11,32,21,22,28,12,27,19,19,28,24,33,32,25, 7,31, 0,21, 2,17,28,12,14,12,18,16,11,35, 1, 0,34, 9,14,20, 7,28,24,31, 8,23,14,22, 9, 1, 7,27,22, 8,11,30,35,32,18,28,35,22,18,21,35,33,25,21,22, 1,21, 3, 6,25,20, 2, 8,24,31,27,29,20, 5,20,12,19,33,23,19,18,28,23, 1,18,11, 7,10,28, 0,21,14, 7,19,24, 7, 8,32,27,25,35,28,16,28,17,25, 8,19, 0, 9,14,35,18,25,26,16,20,33,20,27,32, 3,28,27,21, 3,14,34,11,34,36,22,27,33,10,32,25,27,15, 9,18, 6,32, 2, 0,23,31,19,36,24,10,30,15,27, 2,36,36,27, 1, 1, 2,10,31,24,26,36,33,15, 5, 6,18, 8,22,15,18, 3,28,11,35,34,16, 0,23, 9,20,23,31,10,36,29, 2,20, 5,30, 3,35, 8,16,14,26, 7,12,20, 0,30,30,29,34,36,35,21,30, 5,27,16,12,11,10,12,31,
Quote from: Ralph on Dec 01, 10:27 PM 2012
May work, but the bot is for the time designed for scripts only. The bot read the balance so the script just take care of the bets which should be returned. I did not include excel this time, Steff took care of that, and if I am not wrong you has done work with an excel bot too.
If I type or feed just comma delimetered numbers, the bot will read it as bet straight up.
Feeding rr,oo,ll will place on EC red odd and low
Ralph could you cut and paste the results from where they are stored into an Excel sheet so the data can be visualized as a chart? Even if its just the results of each session, it would be helpful. Then we just need to know how many total spins.
Was your bot written in VB6? I recently found my old disks of VB6 and installed it on my Win7 machine. Yes i was working through VBA and took a couple days off to enjoy the indian summer in early October. Somehow i lost my concentration. I left off just before figuring out the code to read the numbers. Something wasn't working and i just dropped the ball. That's not how i normally work but lately i've noticed i easily quit projects that i start. I'm too proud to ask you or Stef to see your code cause i know it must have been a lot of hard work. VLS got the ball rolling, i carried the torch for a while, and Steph finished up his way and you finished up your way. Anyways, this forum really needs more scientific testers who do what you do. So i think it would be overall helpful to share the executable with those who would use it to test. It looks like Sam used Stefs bot to run some interesting tests. I think that's great.
Still!
I know Excel is a kind of standard, but I do not use Excel at all.
The program is written in Vb.net 2012 it is a free one from microsoft. I used VB6 before But it is lost with a stolen computer. I had to learn the new, and this is the first program I wrote using net.
15000 lines of code. Net has more features, but less forgiven in the coding. We do not use variant as type. Similar to Java in some ways.
Still,
I dont think Sam uses a bot of mine because there is only one person that helps me testing at the moment.
I believe Sam uses my excel sheet for Last/Furthest splits.
Also coded the entire thing in VB.net (VS2012), like ralph says, way more possibility's.
It was indeed a lot of work, especially because i knew nothing from coding :-)
Now i'm working on a demo bot to post public, so that people can get a feeling for it and also to catch possible errors on different computers.
Stef