Long time ago, in 1980, we tested 3700 spins of live roulette in Travemunde for dozens formations. We came to astonishing results of the roulette laws. Every one who try to develop system for D or C should know the laws of them.
There came 1625 chops (singles), 536 doubles, 178 triples, 59 streaks of 4, and 34 higher streaks. The single D/C shows up double so often than the sum of all streaks! Each streak shows up 3 times so often as the next higher streak.
A chop of any D/C is to expect once in 2,27 spins, double is to expect in 6,8 spins, triple is to expect in 20,4 spins, one streak of 5 comes in 184 spins. For each streak of 5 on D/C comes 3 streaks of 4, 9 triples, 27 doubles and 81 chops (singles).
Each D/C sleeps double so often as it comes in one streak. For one streak of 4 D/C will sleep than at least for 8 spins (4x2=8). Every D/C will sleep in average for 10 spins once in 184 spins.
Now, one exact D/C (like say 3rd dozen) chop is to expect in 6,8 spins, double is expected in 20,4 spins, triple in 61,2 spins.
Now come the laws of the Figures of D/C in play, but that in next post.
Hermes
Hermes, having that in mind its safe to say that betting the chops while the wave is in its lower zone is a profitable practice. You know, as well as anybody that has researched dosen/column behaviour that streaks come in clumps, followed by equal wave of chops. Always.
by the way, where did the 4x4 drive turbo revised method disappear? As far as I remember it was a method for betting always on the alternative two d/c's of the last appeared?
The 4x4 was built on that knowledge. I don't know look for it on next pages? They are every day a new systems pushing the older one in the hole.
If you know that in 184 spins all 6 D/C get at least 10 spins to sleep you have at least 6 hits with large bets in 184 spins. Just mark what D or C streaks 5 or more in row and wait for its sleep. Could be even 20 spins winter hibernation? Knowledge is power. Chops are the best to exploit on D/Cs.
Soon come figures. Another subject for exploitation.
Hermes
OK, now the figures (F). For developing figures always watch last 3 spins!
Figure 1 - XXX; 1D,1D,1D; 3 times the same D/C e.g.. 15,19,17.
Figure 2 - each D/C once e.g.. 2-3-1, zick zack, chops.
Figure 3 - Two D/C in variations e.g.. 1-2-2, 3-2-3, 3-3-1.
Playing only for F1 or F2 needs just one D/C but playing for F3 must bet 2 D/C.
The figures law:
F3 will come double so often as F1 & F2 together.
F2 will come double so often as F1.
Now you can build a system on those laws. I did.
By the way the world record from 1966 is 38 chops on columns without a one streak (F2).
Happy discoveries.
Hermes
Hi, Hermes, thank you for sharing your knowledge about this interesting roulettetheme.
I ve looked over my real played spins , which I ve noticed by hand and tried something by hand :
watch 2 spins and play the third spin as follows:
same dozens : play the other 2 par.ex doz 2- doz 2 play doz 1 and doz 2
2 different dozens: play the 2 different dozens par. ex. doz 2 doz 3 play doz 2 and doz 3
important: play this for only the fhird spin then
again wait for 2 spins and play like described.
I think there should be a progression , perhaps after 10 minus play 2 units for each dozen till in plus .
This is only an idea, not tested.
Best regards
kawa4711
Yes, kawa your idea about progression is good. If you want to chase just F2 wait for 3rd spin e.g.. 17-25- ? bet 1st dozen (missing dozen) and so on. But it would be better to employ the LW strategy. The F1 is not worth to chase because comes seldom. But F3 has plenty of uses, especially with LW strategy. It is different if you chase doubles only. Very solid system! Doubles come often, and what comes often is easy to exploit.
I already made the system for one D/C where you bet the second last e.g.. 1D-2D-? bet 1D.
On figures it would be the third one. Combine the 2 strategies and you have a solid system for one D/C.
Hermes
The fantasy has no boundary! You can alternate Figures with real D or C as they are 2/3 different. If you get streaks on one you get on the other chops most of the time. If you play only streaks or only chops alternate!
Hermes
Ok, example:
D-F1-F2-F3 D1-D2-D3
2 X
2 X
2 X X
----------------
3 X X
2 X X
1 X X
3 X X
1 X X
3 X X
1 X X
2 X X
2 X X
3 X X
2 X X
1 X X
3 X X
1 X X
1 X X
1 X X
and so on... observe always last 3 spins for forming figure. If zero comes between look at it as see through. e.g.. 2-2-0-3 is figure 3, 1-0-1-1 is figure 1, 1-2-0-3 is figure 2.
Can you imagine using F3 with LW strategy? Or F2 as betting single D/C but again with LW strategy?
Even better alternate the figures with real D/C formations as they are 2/3 different? Look the different formations of Figures and Dozens in the example.
Hermes
P.S. I can do nothing with the dozen columns, they are screwed up. The first is D1, the second D2 and the third line D3.
This is one of the best systems betting two dozens. (F3) !
Ok, let s try F3 with Lw strategy.
Use this rules:
Progression Leveller 1/1 ,2/2 ,4/4 stay on 4/4 until in plus.
When bank in plus reset to 1/1.
Trigger is W, bet until appear first L, wait new trigger.
So at L stop and wait new F3, but still wait the virtual W, than bet.
We bet the last two dozens from the F3 ( Ex: 232 bet 2 and 3)
or other Ex: F3 (122 bet 1 and 2 ).
NR/Doz
12 1
13 2
9 1 F3(1,2,1)
15 2 w trigger, bet 1/1
30 3 L -2 wait F3 and trigger w
33 3 F3 (2,3,3)
19 2 w trigger, bet 2/2
26 3 w 0 bet 2/2
14 2 w +2 bet 1/1
22 2 w +3 bet 1/1
35 3 w +4 bet 1/1
34 3 w +5 bet 1/1
20 2 w +6 bet 1/1
13 2 w +7 bet 1/1
3 1 l +5 stop wait F3
30 3
32 3 F3 (133)
18 2 F3 (332), no trigger w, no bet
5 1
25 3
26 3 F3 (133)
1 1 w trigger bet 1/1
33 3 w +6
23 2 l +4 wait
6 1
2 1 F3(211)
23 2 w trigger bet 2/2
1 1 w +6 bet 2/2
19 2 w +8 bet 1/1
7 1 w +9 bet 1/1
8 1 w +10 bet 1/1
13 2 w +11 bet 1/1
26 3 l +9 wait
29 3 F3 (233)
4 1 no W no bet
32 3 F3(313)
23 2 -
27 3 F3(323)
14 2 w trigger , bet 2/2
18 2 w +11 bet 2/2
12 1 l +7 , F3 (221)
12 1 w trigger bet 4/4
34 3 l -1 , F3 (113)
24 2 -
24 2 F3 (322)
17 2 w trigger bet 4/4
27 3 w +3 bet 4/4
8 1 l -5 wait
12 1 F3 (311)
25 3 -
10 1 F3(131)
26 3 w trigger bet 4/4
11 1 w -1 bet 4/4
6 1 w +3 bet 4/4
16 2 l -1 , F3(112)
1 1 w trigger bet 4/4
2 2 w +3 bet 4/4
7 1 w +7 bet 4/4
19 2 w +11 bet 4/4
9 1 w +15 (new profit) bet 1/1
35 3 l +13 wait
12 1 F3(131)
11 1 w trigger bet 2/2
23 2 l +9 , F3 (112)
19 2 w trigger bet 4/4
23 2 w +13 bet 4/4
10 1 w +17 (new profit) bet 1/1
31 3 l +15 wait
13 2
19 2 F3 (322)
3 1 - F3(221)
20 2 w trigger bet 2/2
15 2 w +17 bet 2/2
5 1 w +19 bet 1/1
14 2 w +20 bet 1/1
2 1 w +21 bet 1/1
14 2 w +22 bet 1/1
25 3 l +20 wait
25 3 F3 (233)
13 2 w trigger bet 2/2
4 1 l +16 wait
31 3
27 3 F3 (133)
1 1 w trigger bet 4/4
7 1 w +20 bet 4/4
5 1 w +24(new profit) bet 1/1
33 1 w +25 bet 1/1
20 2 l +23 , F3(112)
8 1 w trigger bet 2/2
20 2 w +25 bet 2/2
12 1 w +27 bet 1/1
6 1 w +28 bet 1/1
24 2 w +29 bet 1/1
24 2 w +30 bet 1/1
21 2 w +31 bet 1/1
12 1 w +32 bet 1/1
28 3 l +30 wait
0 -
13 2
10 1
10 1 F3(211)
26 3 -
13 2
31 3 F3(323)
17 2 w trigger bet 2/2
33 3 w +32 bet 2/2
29 3 w +34 bet 1/1
15 2 w +35 bet 1/1
6 1 l +33 wait
35 3
8 1 F3 (131)
23 2
19 2 F3 (122)
4 1 w trigger bet 2/2
10 1 w +35 bet 2/2
5 1 w +37 (new profit) bet 1/1
8 1 w +38 bet 1/1
34 3 l +36 , F3 (113)
7 1 w trigger bet 2/2
16 2 l +32 wait
10 1 F3 (121)
25 3
18 2
25 3 F3 (323)
17 2 w trigger bet 4/4
13 2 w +36 bet 4/4
15 2 w +40(new profit) bet 1/1
5 1 l +38 , F3 (221)
17 2 w trigger bet 2/2
0 0 l +34 wait
3 1 F3(1201)
13 2 w trigger bet 4/4
21 2 w +38 bet 4/4
26 3 l +30 , F3(223)
11 1
30 3 F3(313)
34 3 trigger bet 4/4
16 2 l +22 F3(332)
2 1
7 1 F3 (211)
25 3 F3 (113)
10 1 w trigger bet 4/4
35 3 w +26 bet 4/4
9 1 w +30 bet 4/4
25 3 w +34 bet 4/4
14 2 l +26 wait
16 2 F3(322)
26 3 w trigger bet 4/4
16 2 w +30 bet 4/4
4 1 l +22 wait
29 3
17 2
6 1
20 2 F3(212)
2 2 w trigger bet 4/4
14 2 w +26 bet 4/4
9 1 w +30 bet 4/4
17 2 w +34 bet 4/4
21 2 w +38 bet 4/4
32 3 l +30 F3(223)
33 3 w trigger bet 4/4
27 3 w +34 bet 4/4
33 3 w +38 bet 4/4
27 3 w +42 (new profit) bet 1/1
31 3 w +43 bet 1/1
7 1 l +41 F3(331)
31 3 w trigger bet 2/2
8 1 w +43 bet 1/1
20 2 l +41 wait
17 2 F3(122)
2 1 w trigger bet 2/2
10 1 w +43 bet 2/2
8 1 w +45 (new profit) bet 1/1
25 3 l +43 F3(113)
34 3 w trigger bet 2/2
25 3 w +45 bet 2/2
14 2 l +41 F3(332)
16 2 w trigger bet 4/4
33 3 w +45 bet 4/4
23 2 w +49 (new profit) bet 1/1
7 1 l +47 wait
1 1 F3(211)
2 1 w trigger bet 2/2
10 1 w +49 bet 2/2
8 1 w +51 bet 1/1 new profit
16 2 w +52 bet 1/1
26 3 l +50 wait
8 1
1 1 F3(311)
25 3 w trigger bet 2/2
36 3 w +52 bet 2/2
10 1 w +54 bet 1/1 new profit
31 3 w +55
End session +55
thanks Hermes
Cheers
Excellent execution Kattila, congratulation. It is also less troublesome than 4x4 drive. Now we have a new tweak 4x4 Figures Drive.
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Sep 13, 01:10 PM 2010
Excellent execution Kattila, congratulation. It is also less troublesome than 4x4 drive. Now we have a new tweak 4x4 Figures Drive.
Hermes
Yeh , thanks Hermes.
I tested another 5 sessions( around 100 spins each one) and all end Up.
I will keep testing.
Cheers.
Keep testing (like Energizer) and give us a feedback. The figure3 has a future, You could bet F1 & F2 one D/C, but only with LW strategy. They come in clusters.
Thanks Hermes
Yes right, fig. 3 has a future. I will keep test (when i have the time). :)
About F1 and F2 ,so one D or C using Lw strategy( W trigger, stop at first L,
wait new trigger W), the only enemy is the LWLWLW(or LLLWLLWLWLLLWL..etc...).
The best progression for one D or C is that one you advice,
the D*Alembert +1 at win / at 3 LLLs -1 .
Cheers.
You are again right, why don't you buy lottery ticket, you would win first price for sure. Ha, ha, ha..
Thanks for the research, Hermes
Thanks for the tests. What is the recommended bankroll and stop loss if things are going against you?
Bankroll at least 200 , and stop-lose around -50, my personal opinion,
maybe Hermes have another opinion.
Another session
14 2
27 3
6 1
4 1 F3(311) wait trigger
25 3 trigger bet 1/1
3 1 w +1 bet 1/1
32 3 w +2 bet 1/1
1 1 w +3 bet 1/1
27 3 w +4 bet 1/1
33 3 w +5 bet 1/1
20 2 L +3 stop
15 2 F3(322)
17 2 w trigger bet 2/2
21 2 w +5 bet 2/2
20 2 w +7 bet 1/1(new profit)
31 3 w +8 bet 1/1
28 3 w +9 bet 1/1
15 2 w +10 bet 1/1
32 3 w +11 bet 1/1
10 1 L +9 wait
31 3 F3(313)
15 2 -
15 2 F3(322)
8 1 - F3(221)
22 2 w trigger bet 2/2
9 1 w +11 bet 2/2
20 2 w +13 bet 1/1(new profit)
13 2 w +14 bet 1/1
16 2 w +15 bet 1/1
23 2 w +16 bet 1/1
4 1 w +17 bet 1/1
26 3 L +15 wait
27 3 F3(133)
9 1 w trigger bet 2/2
13 2 L +11 wait
33 3
29 3 F3(233)
11 1 -
29 3 F3(313
14 2 -
34 3 F3(323)
33 3 w trigger bet 4/4
9 1 L +3 wait
20 2
17 2 F3(122)
35 3 -
24 2 F3(232)
0 -
5 1
29 3
3 1 F3(131)
15 2 -
4 1 F3(121)
17 2 w trigger bet 4/4
27 3 L -5 wait
17 2 F3(232)
9 1 -
30 3
9 1 F3(131)
23 2 -
15 2 F3(122)
5 1 w trigger bet 4/4
19 2 w -1 bet 4/4
23 2 w +3 bet 4/4
25 3 L -1 wait
32 2 F3(232)
15 2 w trigger bet 4/4
25 3 w +3 bet 4/4
30 3 w +7 bet 4/4
22 2 w +11 bet 4/4
7 1 L +3 wait
36 3
22 2
35 3 F3(323)
22 2 w trigger bet 4/4
24 2 w +7 bet 4/4
0 0 L -1 wait
11 1
20 2
30 3
19 2 F3(232)
32 3 w trigger bet 4/4
29 2 w +3 bet 4/4
24 2 w +7 bet 4/4
1 1 L -1 wait
3 1 F3(211)
20 2 w trigger bet 4/4
15 2 w +3 bet 4/4
21 2 w +7 bet 4/4
13 2 w +11 bet 4/4 Can reset to 1/1 at any + something !
13 2 w +15 bet 4/4 your personal choise when to reset
1 1 w +19 bet 1/1 (new profit)
0 - L +17 wait
18 2
25 3
15 2 F3(232)
3 1-
10 1 F3(211)
27 3 -F3(113)
6 1 w trigger bet 2/2
33 3 w +19 bet 2/2
28 3 w +21 bet 1/1(new profit)
18 2 L +19 wait
26 3 F3(323)
28 3 w trigger bet 2/2
2 1 L +15 wait
23 2
7 1 F3(121)
20 2 w trigger bet 4/4
35 3 L +7 wait
25 3 F3(233)
23 2 w trigger bet 4/4
36 3 w +11 bet 4/4
1 1 L +3 wait
22 2
20 2 F3(122)
28 3 - F3(223)
27 3 w trigger bet 4/4
33 3 w +7 bet 4/4
17 2 w +11 bet 4/4
17 2 w +15 bet 4/4
21 2 w +19 bet 4/4
2 1 L +11 wait
23 2 F3(212)
6 1 w trigger bet 4/4
22 2 w +15 bet 4/4
19 2 w +19 bet 4/4
11 1 w +23 bet 1/1 (new profit)
21 1 w +24 bet 1/1
16 2 w +25 bet 1/1
27 3 L +23 wait
10 1
27 3 F3(313)
29 3 w trigger bet 2/2
5 1 w +25 bet 2/2
36 3 w +27 bet 1/1 (new profit)
31 3 w +28 bet 1/1
7 1 w +29 bet 1/1
28 3 w +30 bet 1/1
22 2 L +28
end session at +28
I will post example for one D or one C.
Cheers.
I don't see reason for stoploss. If you are down bet until total in plus even if it takes an hour.
The BR is OK. I am looking for more aggressive progression for it.
What about play LW startegy but rise 1 unit win or loss (Baraccuda)?
Try it Kattila and tell us.
Thanks Hermes
It is pity so many beautiful Ws and only so little gains with Leveller. Leveller is excellent progression but it is grinding progression.
Hermes
Ok, same F3 ,same Lw strategy,but another progression,
Barracuda +1 win or lose.
21 2
5 1
13 2 F3(212)
36 3 -
20 2 F3(232)
7 1 -
14 2 F3(212)
7 1 w trigger bet 1/1
12 1 w +1 bet 2/2
4 1 w +3 bet 3/3
9 1 w +6 bet 4/4
0 L -2 wait F3
34 3
34 3
15 2 F3(332)
10 1 -
7 1 F3(211)
28 3 -
32 3 F3(133)
34 3 w trigger bet 5/5
13 2 L -12 wait
23 2 F3(322)
29 3 w trigger bet 6/6
22 2 w -6 bet 7/7
21 2 w +1 bet 8/8
21 2 w +9 bet 9/9
27 3 w +18 bet 10/10
33 3 w +28 bet 11/11
3 1 L +6 , F3(331)
23 2 -
4 1 F3(121)
36 3 -
27 3 F3(133)
19 2 -
7 1
33 3
11 1 F3(131)
31 3 w trigger bet 12/12
21 2 L -18 , wait
21 2 F3(322)
36 3 w trigger bet 13/13
36 3 w -5 bet 14/14
0 - L -33 wait
3 1
0 -
13 2
1 1
24 2 F3(212)
22 2 w trigger bet 15/15
15 2 w -18 bet 16/16
8 1 w -2 bet 17/17
8 1 w +15 bet 18/18
23 2 w +33 bet 19/19
12 1 w +52 bet 20/20
25 3 L +12 wait
11 1 F3(131)
33 3 w trigger bet 21/21
15 2 L -30 wait
36 3 F3(323)
36 3 w trigger bet 22/22
33 3 w -8 bet 23/23
25 3 w +15 bet 24/24
9 1 L -33 F3(331)
6 1 w trigger bet 25/25
17 2 L -83 F3(112)
4 1 w trigger bet 26/26
30 3 L -135
Max. up +52
Max. down -135 stop lose
This Barracuda is dangerous for two dozens.
Maybe with a stop-lose at around -50,
and target +50 this could work.
Anyway Leveller is much safer and give good results.
Barracuda progression could work for one D or C.
Bet F2(missing dozen) with Barracuda
progression +1 w or L
Wait always two diffrent dozens (F2).
stop-lose at -50
reset at 1u when +10(or +20) profit
9 1
13 2 bet now 1u
20 2 L -1, wait two different dozens ! (F2)
15 2
12 1 bet now 2u
11 1 L -3
33 3 bet now 3u
35 3 L -6
21 2 bet now 4u
32 3 L -10, bet now 5u
25 3 L -15
18 2 bet now 6u
5 1 w -3 , bet now 7u
28 3 w +11 bet now 8u
17 2 w +27 reset to 1u
16 2 L +26
26 3 bet now 2u
25 3 L +24
30 3
31 3
1 1 bet now 3u
27 3 L +21 bet 4u
15 2 w +29 bet 5u
10 1 w +39 reset at 1u
20 2 L +38 bet 2u
31 3 w +42 bet 3u
34 3 L +39
7 1 bet now 4u
8 1 L +35
5 1
20 2 bet now 5u
12 1 L +30 bet 6u
15 2 L +24 bet 7u
2 1 L +17 bet 8u
17 2 L +9 bet 9u
29 3 w +27 reset to 1u
34 3 L +26
24 2 bet now 2u
13 2 L +24
7 1 bet now 3u
24 2 L +21 bet 4u
34 3 w +29 bet 5u
24 2 L +24 bet 6u
2 1 w +36 reset to 1u
23 2 L +35 bet 2u
17 2 L +33
23 2
20 2
5 1 bet now 3u
17 2 L +30 bet 4u
35 3 w +38 reset to 1u
28 3 L +37
11 1 bet now 2u
18 2 w +41 bet 3u
7 1 L +38 bet 4u
5 1 L +34
17 2 bet now 5u
28 3 w +44 reset to 1u
29 3 L +43
25 3
27 3
21 2 bet now 2u
22 2 L +41
31 3 bet now 3u
23 2 L +38 bet 4u
25 3 L +34 bet 5u
21 2 L +29 bet 6u
19 2 L +23
23 2
11 1 bet now 7u
19 2 L +16 bet 8u
8 1 L +8 bet 9u
21 2 L -1 bet 10 u
27 3 w +19 reset to 1u
26 3 L +18
3 1 bet now 2u
14 2 w +22 bet 3u
36 3 w +28 bet 4u
36 3 L +24
0
30 3
13 2 bet now 5u
25 3 L +19 bet 6u
33 3 L +13
30 3
35 3
15 2 bet now 7u
26 3 L +6 bet 8u
10 1 w +22 bet 9u
21 2 w +40 reset to 1u
9 1 L +39 bet 2u
3 1 L +38
21 2 bet now 3u
20 2 L +35
19 2
8 1 bet now 4u
22 2 L +31 bet 5u
18 2 L +26
13 1 bet now 6u
2 1 L +20
31 3 bet now 7u
8 1 L +13 bet 8u
13 2 w +29 bet 9u
15 2 L +20
11 1 bet now 10u
32 3 w +40 reset to 1u
10 1 L +39 bet 2u
4 1 L +37
0
31 3
32 3
4 1 bet now 3u
17 2 w +43 bet 4u
29 3 w +51 reset to 1u
20 2 L +50
win +50
Barracuda(with reset) seems to work fine for one D.
Also D*Alembert +1 at win / at 3LLLs -1 it is Ok for one D or C.
OK use the barracuda this way W+1/L+1 reset at -6 units or +12 units to 1/1 (Golden Roulette progression).
Hermes