This is a method i used today to win 100 chips. I bet only one column a time. When a red hits bet on column 3 when a black hits bet on column 2. I use the progression 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.
e.g. , Number 1 hits (red) so i bet i chip on column 3 , i lose because number 11 hits (black) so i bet 2 chips on column 2 35 hits i win. Simple but can make profit.
Here is the classic doz/col progression
Sequence
number Bet Amount Net Loss Cash if Win Net Profit
1 $1 $1 $3 $2
2 $1 $2 $3 $1
3 $2 $4 $6 $2
4 $3 $7 $9 $2
5 $4 $11 $12 $1
6 $6 $17 $18 $1
7 $9 $26 $27 $1
8 $14 $40 $42 $2
9 $21 $61 $63 $2
10 $31 $92 $93 $1
11 $47 $139 $141 $2
12 $70 $209 $210 $1
13 $105 $314 $315 $1
14 $158 $472 $474 $2
15 $237 $709 $711 $2
Thanks for that neat progression, S o W!
One dozen strategy I've read about is wait for a doz/col not being hit for 5-7 times then start progression...
Haven't tried that one yet. But I think it would work
Quote from: ignatus on Dec 07, 02:38 PM 2012
One dozen strategy I've read about is wait for a doz/col not being hit for 5-7 times then start progression...
Haven't tried that one yet. But I think it would work
Yes that one works great Ig - until a dozen goes missing for 15+ spins (as is common) which if you ever did any reading or research as so many have advised, you would know already
Quote from: buffalowizard on Dec 07, 03:16 PM 2012
Yes that one works great Ig - until a dozen goes missing for 15+ spins (as is common) which if you ever did any reading or research as so many have advised, you would know already
OK well, wait for a dozen not to hit for 7 times and then start progression, still progression wouldn't go very far even if it didn't hit for 15 times. 1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21.....you wouldn't lose anything since you get the money back when it hits. Why you always so negative BW? :/ It's a rare case it didn't hit for 15 times
Hello Ignatus,
Hope not to sound rude etc.
I have done a lot of researching over the last two years now I believe. I started out on this system, actually made $1000 on RNG waiting for a doz/col to repeat 3 times then use a five step prog. This was before I learned about RNGS and the silly method I was using. I stopped directly.
If you have not seen this info yet it will really help you. It has helped me a great deal devising possible methods and understanding what is needed to have a chance to get an edge over random.
link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/whatsthelongest.htm (link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/whatsthelongest.htm)
I have a bot playing dozen/columns in different ways.
I toughed lets play super safe...
I started off after RNG observations, to start betting if its not hit for 7 spins.
THen i found a very strange thing about RNG, at start, it will got to 13 spins before hit, after 100 spins, it went yo 14, about 100 spins again.. 15, and so on..
This the same test on another casino also using playtech.. same result.
Then i was sure it was rigged in some way.. it check how for your progression goes...
Then I started to play real dealers.
Same strategy and won. But then found in average it would be like 12-13 spin before it.
Then i started to build a bot, i wanted to make it safe playing, means based on the percentage hit, determine when to start to bet, so if hit rate is +50% bet if slept for 2 spins, -20 bet after 9 spins. Using a progression covering 14 steps.
But to my surprise, i was losing...
So i played the original again, bet on column after 3 not hit, dozen not hit for 5 spins.
The fact is that in my safe version, you have less bet opportunities, and you bet more on the extreme cases where you have more chance to run out of progression steps.
With the none safe version, you can still come across the same extremes but you are able to play more and win more to cover possible loses for the extreme case out of progression.
I don't recommend my progression 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 any more as recovery is too long to achieve.
The one below is much better.
1 $1
2 $1
3 $2
4 $3
5 $4
6 $6
7 $9
8 $14
9 $21
10 $31
11 $47
12 $70
13 $105
14 $158
15 $237
This is from the above post by ignatus.
Hi King
For how long have you been playing your method?
Quote from: amk on Dec 07, 04:11 PM 2012
Hello Ignatus,
Hope not to sound rude etc.
I have done a lot of researching over the last two years now I believe. I started out on this system, actually made $1000 on RNG waiting for a doz/col to repeat 3 times then use a five step prog. This was before I learned about RNGS and the silly method I was using. I stopped directly.
If you have not seen this info yet it will really help you. It has helped me a great deal devising possible methods and understanding what is needed to have a chance to get an edge over random.
link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/whatsthelongest.htm (link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/whatsthelongest.htm)
Great advice to anyone....turbogenius (well perhaps) as his monika said
I spent 5 or 6 months reading and trying ever damn thing he wrote and learned what to try....and most importantly.....what not to.
Quote from: ignatus on Dec 07, 02:11 PM 2012
Here is the classic doz/col progression
Sequence
number Bet Amount Net Loss Cash if Win Net Profit
1 $1 $1 $3 $2
2 $1 $2 $3 $1
3 $2 $4 $6 $2
4 $3 $7 $9 $2
5 $4 $11 $12 $1
6 $6 $17 $18 $1
7 $9 $26 $27 $1
8 $14 $40 $42 $2
9 $21 $61 $63 $2
10 $31 $92 $93 $1
11 $47 $139 $141 $2
12 $70 $209 $210 $1
13 $105 $314 $315 $1
14 $158 $472 $474 $2
15 $237 $709 $711 $2
Progressions are not good for your health.............If you were playing the above and got to Step 13 and lost ($314) can you imagine your emotional state with the next 2 spins at $158 & $237 just to win $2.....Its not worth it, stick to flat bets and good MM, that way you wont kill your BR and you can fight for another day
Gordon :thumbsup:
The only real success I have had with progressions on single dozens/columns would be to start after a few skips but only play 5 or 6 progressions...then switch to playing the last two to recover (I actually played the one with the most hits in the last 5 so the progression doesn't really spiral wildly out of control).
However, all that being said. I predominantly bet only inside at this point in time on a few numbers...so you can extrapolate for yourself how well the whole dozen thing worked in the long run.
Short term opportunities exist with their inherent risk...but I wouldn't play a ton and plan on long term huge success. They can sleep for awhile...longer than you would assume a 2:1 bet would or could. Think of how many times you've seen the marquee all red or all black...and that's basically a 50/50 shot.