I wanted to ask this a while back, but it kinda slip my mind
Do you think it is possible for the dealer to deliberately miss your numbers? Can the dealer keep hitting numbers just so you lose? Do you think they have that "power"?
What do you guys think? Or do you not think about the dealer at all?
I ask cause a while back when I was playing at WH I noticed a strange thing
There was, or still is this one dealer
what ever that I played she missed
she was completly missing everything, and not just me, the others at the table too (I saw in chat)
This woman has made me bust every single time I played with her - that can't be a coincidence, can't it?
I mean, I play, all is going good, and then she comes and I can't get a hit the whole time she is there
last time I was playing wiht her I was betting some numbers, she didn't hit me so I decided to switch numbers - guess what happened? she then hit the numbers I left behind and again failed to give me a hit
I have seen 19 uniqe numbers in a row 4 times so far ( well 4 times I noticed it ;D ), 3 were with her
I think that is very rare to see, don't know the exact %
I decide to stop playing if she comes and I did, even if I was in the mid of a progression - I would take the loss
guess what happened? she spun my numbers a few spins after I stopped playing
now is that all a coincidence or what? am I imagining it all?
Does the dealer really have that power to make the ball miss your bets or was I just unlucky?
the part of the reason I ask is that I wanted to post a great system that made me money but then she came and busted it
so i though ok, I will tweak it a bit
It all worked fine untill she came along again and busted me
so I tweaked again, and so on and so on...
I am out of tweaking ideas and the system performed very well but she busted me again so I don't know what to think anymore
I was starting to think that they see me making money and the pitboss is like "call that b...h to make him lose" ;D
but thats just silly, isn't it? ???
anyway, what are your thoughts on this?
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Do you think it is possible for the dealer to deliberately miss your numbers? Can the dealer keep hitting numbers just so you lose? Do you think they have that "power"? ***
Not numbers (one here other there....) but yes sectors (like any 6 or more numbers together)......
So if you play one and same number the dealer it s possible to deliberately miss your number
because is the same sector, but if you keep changing the number then he can not.....
If you play more then one number and this numbers are all over the wheel (not sector) then
he don t have any *power*.....
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Dec 10, 02:47 AM 2012
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Do you think it is possible for the dealer to deliberately miss your numbers? Can the dealer keep hitting numbers just so you lose? Do you think they have that "power"? ***
Not numbers (one here other there....) but yes sectors (like any 6 or more numbers together)......
So if you play one and same number the dealer it s possible to deliberately miss your number
because is the same sector, but if you keep changing the number then he can not.....
If you play more then one number and this numbers are all over the wheel (not sector) then
he don't have any *power*.....
cheers
well I thought as much, thanks for your thoughts
Hi soggett,
Are you the guy during the weekend lost 5000euro play 33 numbers, but the dealer manage to miss the numbers you played?
Well I have noticed this too...
If I compare how the dealers spin compared to Dublinbet, i can only see that the Ladies in Latvia do way more effort to launch the ball from a certain position... (zero...) .
I also noticed that the girlls seam to hit way more repeaters as lets say 2 months ago... I also note that they hit rate of zeros is way above of Dublinbet. 3-4 zero's in 30-35 spins...
The difference is of course these dealers dont have to worry about people at the table and calculation payouts...
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Dec 10, 04:30 AM 2012
Hi soggett,
Are you the guy during the weekend lost 5000euro play 33 numbers, but the dealer manage to miss the numbers you played?
loool
no I am not, I am not that crazy ;D (yet ;) )
nice observations, did you manage to turn that into profit somehow?
This one works well now ;)
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11453.0;topicseen (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11453.0;topicseen)
You should read more about physics ...
I am just curious as what you guys think about it, thats all
I know the math, I know that everything losses eventually and all that stuff
but the thing that blows my mind is that it all happens with the same dealer - thats what bugs me
Quote from: soggett on Dec 10, 01:52 AM 2012
guess what happened? she spun my numbers a few spins after I stopped playing
now is that all a coincidence or what? am I imagining it all?
but that's just silly, isn't it? ???
My friend do you know how many online casinos that live feed you are talking about (casino in Latvia) serves?
How many players are all together playing at that wheel from all different casinos at the same time?
Is it possible that all are playing same numbers and areas of wheel? :)
OR more likely is that she has only your bets on screen and waiting just to play against you? hehe
But does she have conditions even with her maybe outstanding dealer skills, to aim just against your numbers?
NOCheers
Drazen
QuoteOR more likely is that she has only your bets on screen and waiting just to play against you? hehe
But does she have conditions even with her maybe outstanding dealer skills, to aim just against your numbers? NO
I agree, probably not BUT if she had an earpiece or something on her screen which tells her which area to avoid, pitboss/software can quickly calculate which area would hurt them (the casino) the most, then they could probably spin to avoid that area.
Last week I played on live dealer Party Casino (part of Bwin group). The feed was from the Latvian studio with the lady dealers and their "baby doll" voices and all that. Laugh/chuckle.
With the wheel they always spun the ball in the same direction. That is the wheel clockwise and the ball anti clockwise.
Some dealers hit zeros and doubles others didn't.
I won 1,100GBP in 992 bets off a BR of 84GBP , some 17 hours of betting and so tired. Just used Marty progression. Simple outside 1 : 1 betting opposites to the last spun on H/L then O/E then R/B. I just repeated that pattern. It was just a lucky session as I withdrew 984 GBP and left 200 GBP to bet with later. At 1 point is was down -5 so it ebbed & flowed. Insurance on zero with higher bets paid off twice adding 400 to the pot. As the profit built up I would increase the 2 minimum.
2 days later I played the same way & the 200 was gone in 229 spins. They have an above average 1 : 1 bet limit range on table 1 of min. 2 & max. 2,500. The bet window is rather narrow at around 15 seconds, not good if a player needs to make lots of inside bets.
I'm presently waiting to be paid? Pay Pro does the transaction work (part of Pay Pal) the communication is good with emails keeping me informed.
3 days last week was Party casinos so called checking time for "fairness" ??? Then Pay Pro emails me Friday informing of approval and that payment can be expected in 2 - 5 days. Only business days count with their transactions. So any weekends & holidays add to the time.
This is another area the regulators should crack down on. Like I made my deposit via my Visa debit card in 1 minute but they can take up to 1 1/2 weeks to pay out?
Once I get paid (Ozzy dollars) this will bankroll me for a visit my local casino.
I'll be using elements of Pattern 4 even money betting as hit & run on multiple tables. I'll be using the marquee numbers as triggers & betting opposites on all 3 options in order. H/L, O/E & R/B.
I've made a few non betting visits to test the method with virtual bets. All tests gave virtual winners so that gives me some confidence to push the money out, once Party comes good with my $$$$. I'll need all of it with the min.chip bet of $25 (max. is $1k).
3 bet levels is $25, $50 & $100 = $175 x 6 banks (2 banks for each option) = $1050 BR.
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 10, 08:45 AM 2012
My friend do you know how many online casinos that live feed you are talking about (casino in Latvia) serves?
How many players are all together playing at that wheel from all different casinos at the same time?
Is it possible that all are playing same numbers and areas of wheel? :)
OR more likely is that she has only your bets on screen and waiting just to play against you? hehe
But does she have conditions even with her maybe outstanding dealer skills, to aim just against your numbers? NO
Cheers
Drazen
My firend when you put it like that...
then I see you are right, must have been just my imagination or something, bad luck I suppose
but it really shuck me good
Quote from: superman on Dec 10, 09:01 AM 2012
I agree, probably not BUT if she had an earpiece or something on her screen which tells her which area to avoid, pitboss/software can quickly calculate which area would hurt them (the casino) the most, then they could probably spin to avoid that area.
wow, good thing I was playing with cents :)
but if they can do that then we are f...d ;D
Quotebut if they can do that then we are f...d
I don't see why they can't, obviousley they can't/won't get it right everytime but if they are told what to avoid I am sure they can avoid segments, think for yourself, if you are spinning and throwing the ball for months, you should start to geta feel of where your throw will land, it's all physics and it's YOU that is creating the forces, don't tell me they cant hit something fairly accuratley, I think they can.
Quote from: superman on Dec 10, 09:27 AM 2012
I don't see why they can't, obviousley they can't/won't get it right everytime but if they are told what to avoid I am sure they can avoid segments, think for yourself, if you are spinning and throwing the ball for months, you should start to geta feel of where your throw will land, it's all physics and it's YOU that is creating the forces, don't tell me they can't hit something fairly accuratley, I think they can.
I see, you are right, after a while you should get the feeling and could influence the spin, but how do we fight that then?
..............in that case
go to a land based casino and only play on busy tables where plenty of chips are scattered everywhere. They can't aim against everybody!
If you watch the dealers on dublinbet, you can tell by watching their action that they are not spinning to try and hit anything specific.
Stop winding people up Superman :wink:
QuoteStop winding people up Superman
LOL Bob, dublinbet allow bets to be placed AFTER the ball is released, I think my opinion and soggetts question are related to casinos who spin AFTER no more bets, that way they can see all bets placed.
Of course, YMMV and these are my opinions only, but if you do something long enough you get good at it, don't you?
Quote from: ugly bob on Dec 10, 09:47 AM 2012
If you watch the dealers on dublinbet, you can tell by watching their action that they are not spinning to try and hit anything specific.
If you compare that to the ladies in the babydolls in Latvia.. yes you can be sure!
Quote from: superman on Dec 10, 10:02 AM 2012
LoL Bob, dublinbet allow bets to be placed AFTER the ball is released, I think my opinion and soggetts question are related to casinos who spin AFTER no more bets, that way they can see all bets placed.
Fair enough! I never thought about that. :xd:
if a dealer gets good tips from u then he can be your friend (unless he is in trouble because of your big frequent winnings), if not -- your foe.
Recently in Manchester 235. I was on a table with just me and the wife. I picked tiers he spun je zero. I picked je zero...he spun tiers. As it was quiet, i joked with him about it. He tuned to the pit boss and said....hey i want a pay rise....im spinning the oposite of what hes betting. It showed me hes wasnt meaning to do it.
Then i played ralphs lucky7. Every darn number i picked came out. I even goaded him in a fun way saying....come on...13s got 2 chips on. It came out twice...once with 2 chips. Once with 3.
The pit boss was watching now because he had little to do. Surely if hecould spin for zero he wouldnt of spun me 2x13.
I dunno
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Dec 11, 04:33 AM 2012
I dunno
I dunno too.
Were I play there must be about 427 roulette croupiers on duty every night.
If you tell me my local casino has employed 427 roulette croupiers who can spin the wheel, flick the ball, and drop it into any favorable pocket or section for the casino whenever required then I will chew the arse off my grandmother's older boyfriend.
Sheesh, gimme a break guys!
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 11, 04:55 AM 2012
If you tell me my local casino has employed 427 roulette croupiers who can spin the wheel, flick the ball, and drop it into a favorable pocket for the casino whenever required then I will chew the arse off my grandmothers older boyfriend.
:D :D :D :D
Turner nice story
Well, I guess you guys are right, must be just my paranoia ???
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 11, 04:55 AM 2012
then I will chew the arse off my grandmother's older boyfriend
And they said Wordsworth had a beautiful turn of phrase :thumbsup:
Quote from: ausguy on Dec 10, 09:04 AM 2012
Once I get paid (Ozzy dollars) this will bankroll me for a visit my local casino.
dear Ausguy
could you please provide some guidelines regarding maximum cashout from local casino such as Crown Melbourne to stay under casino radar not to be banned? if i have winnings $2000 to $5000 per day, do i have the possibility to be banned? please provide some of your your extensive knowledge :thumbsup: regarding crown and star casino.
thanks for your previous answer to me for my airball questions :thumbsup: .
thanks.
catalyst
Cat - I haven't been to Crown (yet) only played at The Star in Sydney. As with any casino the cash in of chips would be virtually the same. The amounts ($2k -$5k) you speak of are not huge in the over all scheme of payouts with cash flows in the billions each year.
Amounts over $10,000, as you might know, require ID, in line with the money laundering rules.
I doubt you would be banned for regular cash outs of up to $5k ?
To stay under the radar you could divide your chips into uneven amounts. EG say you have $5,000 in profit chips. Maybe $1,600 as your 1st visit to the cage, Then an hour or two later cash in $925, then a little later $825, then $1,650. Another tip is to cash UP at the table so that you only have a few large value chips rather than a stack of small value chips. EG on $5k, x3 $1,000 chips & x4 $500 chips. Additionally you'd probably have your Bank Roll to convert also ?
Casinos do have facial recognition technology but with the average player this wouldn't figure in their operations? Like The Star has at least 10 million people pass through the joint yearly. That's over 27,000 people on average each day. I would expect Crown to be similar ?
Other options are to take some chips home with you and cash them in on your next visit before you start your play. I asked about taking cash chips home years ago and the cashier said not a worry after all the chips only cost the casino a few cents each and the casino still has your cash.
Cash in during peak busy periods, Friday & Saturday nights are usually full on, holiday periods too.
Most cashier windows are open with solid lineups at all cages at these times. Mostly they are so busy they just want to pay you out ASAP. $6k - $7k etc. they hardly blink.
If you're a regular winner you'll soon get a cash out routine going that suits your needs.
The biggest hurdle is to be a regular winner ? Do tell us all about your play method sometime & let us all know how you are flying beneath the casino radar.
Cheers.
PS - I finally got paid yesterday, so that took 1 week. I'm off to the Casino in the next day or so & I have a reasonable BR. I too hope to become a regular winner ? I'll know soon enough.
some dealers are capable of getting sectors and even exact numbers. I saw a lady at online Castle casino. She was remarkable. She was stunning. Very beautiful. And she just got numbers (with neighbours) which people asked for. I saw by my own eyes. And she did not even hide this fact.
When someone asked she just said: "I will try to help" with this gorgeous smile. She got me my numbers too sometimes. But when the numbers were scattered (with no neighbours) it was hard for her.
if i am not wrong here name is Jane. but i haven't seen her there recently.
Well, the fact that some dealers have this capabilty is confirmed by many.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 11, 09:51 PM 2012
some dealers are capable of getting sectors and even exact numbers. I saw a lady at online Castle casino. She was remarkable. She was stunning. Very beautiful. And she just got numbers (with neighbours) which people asked for. I saw by my own eyes. And she did not even hide this fact.
When someone asked she just said: "I will try to help" with this gorgeous smile. She got me my numbers too sometimes. But when the numbers were scattered (with no neighbours) it was hard for her.
if i am not wrong here name is Jane. but i haven't seen her there recently.
Well, the fact that some dealers have this capabilty is confirmed by many.
very interesting
now I wish I worked as a dealer ;)
do you think it was just luck or she was able to hit the numbers with her "skill"?
i am sure she has the skill. it's possible, but for limited number of people. Too many people saw it, too many people know for sure. I read in the books too. One guy told here he saw that 2 fem dealers
on 2 tables on Dubinbet had kind of competition when nobody was playing at their tables. Just of of the boredom. One pointed a number to another then both got this number with neighbours. Each was at a different table, they were talking between them while working, because nobody played, so they just kept throwing the ball from time to time.
But again, only limited number of dealers can do it, and i think they have to make an effort to do it, so they don't usually do it i guess. They need some motivation to do it. Either to work against or for you.
i also read that when they know that a certain player is known for not giving tips sometimes they can make a game a hell for him.