This is a Christmas gift ( hopefully ) from me to our forum family here, enjoy
Preface:
First I need to thank Drazen_Cro because without him this system would not exist. I actually got the idea from one of his systems (its called shot on 3rd, you can find it here on the forum).
I made a simple system, run a few tests, it looked good so I started playing it. It was the first version of the system, let's call it version 1.0
With 1.0 I managed to take $100 and turn in into $2000 in about 3 months (not playing every day, no goal or anything)
It performed great, but then it failed big time. I upped the unit value and lost quite a lot.
From then I have tweeked and tweeked, every time getting better results.
This version is my final, I have no more tweekes left that I can think of ( at the moment ;D )
I'll give you the system first, then the stats
Ok, the system:
we track numbers as they come in
when a number comes up twice we start betting on it (we mark it somehow, I use excell so I paint the cell)
as new numbers come in we start betting on them too (and marking them also)
we do this for up to 4 numbers
if we have more than 4 numbers that hit twice we mark the rest in a different colour or different mark (we have to keep track of them also) but we do not bet them, just mark them
we win when one of our numbers hits for the third time
if lets say we have 6 numbers that come up twice - we bet the first 4 only
and if the 6th number hits the third time (meaning we didn't get a hit with our first 4 numbers) we then change and bet the 6th number and the 3 before that (so we would then bet 6th, 5th, 4th and 3rd number that came up twice)
if we had 9 numbers and the 6th hit we would then bet 6th, 9th, 8th and the 7th
do you get this? I will give example later
now, when one of our 4 numbers hit we win and start a new session from start - so we start tracking from begining
when our 4 numbers don't hit and we change numbers we keep betting and going up the progression but we also start a new session and keep track of it (we do not bet, just keep track of it). So when we do get a hit we can switch to the new session and either start betting if we have triggers or if we don't have a trigger we will have some numbers to shorten tracking time
the progression used is the classic one, you need to calculate it as you add numbers so that on a hit you are always at plus (even 1 unit)
Ok, here are some simple examples so you can understand it better, I will use numbers 1-10 to keep it as simple as possible
here is a simple example of win with first 4 numbers bet:
numbers coming in:
1
2
1 -start betting 1
3
4
2 - start betting 1 and 2
3 - bet 1,2 and 3
4 - bet 1,2,3 and 4
1 - win - end session +24 units, start from scratch
next example
1
2
3
1 - start betting 1
2 - bet 1 and 2
3 - bet 1,2 and 3
4
5
6
4 - bet 1,2,3 and 4
5 - mark only, dont bet
6 - mark only dont bet
1 - win, end session +9 units, start new
this next session will be with switching numbers
ok, numbers coming in:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
1 - bet 1
2 - bet 1,2
3 - bet 1,2,3
4 - bet 1,2,3,4
8 - mark only
7 - mark only
6 - mark only
5 - mark only
9
9 - mark only
7 - we missed the first 4 - now start betting 7,9,5,6 and we start tracking a new session while betting numbers from the previous session
1
2
3
1 - mark, dont bet (new session)
2 - mark, dont bet (new session)
7 - we win, +18 units and start betting 1 and 2 for the new session
3 - bet 1,2,3
1 - win, +31 units, start new session
If the new session ends before we get our hit (happenes rarely) we treat it as a missed session and start tracking the next one
Thats it, it's really simple when you get a hang of it
The stats:
The BR I use is 1000 units
I tested this over 10 000 live played spins â€" it ended +8801 units, progression failed only 1 time
33% of the time the first number to repeat is the winning number
5 out of 6 times the one of the first 4 numbers to repeat is the winner
The net gain is anywhere from 35 to 1 unit (it sucks when you get only 1 but hey money is money)
Playing this way we are betting current hot numbers, if our numbers get cold we switch
Try it out and you'll see how it performs
I have arranged with Victor to make a tracker for this to make it easier to play and to test
When its ready it will be posted here
There you go, ask away if you have questions
And a merry Christmas to you all
Nice system soggett! :) This is similar to Juggler. I've had success with repeaters too, but guess you're playing it in a more clever way, and only 4 numbers. I didn't get all the rules. :S Will look into it later.
Thanks
Thank you soggett for the early christmas gift. Very nice of you.
Quote from: ignatus on Dec 18, 10:05 AM 2012
Nice system soggett! :) This is similar to Juggler. I've had success with repeaters too, but guess you're playing it in a more clever way, and only 4 numbers. I didn't get all the rules. :S Will look into it later.
Thanks
glad you like it, it is similar but then again all repeater systems are
I hope it's a more clever way ;)
Quote from: ugly bob on Dec 18, 10:12 AM 2012
Thank you soggett for the early christmas gift. Very nice of you.
No problem bob, hope it makes you money
sogget u are SANTA CLAUS... first test result is very good!
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 18, 02:06 PM 2012
sogget You are SANTA CLAUS... first test result is very good!
;D
glad to hear that ;)
Oops!
i want to fully understand this amazing system so i have first question...
this is real spins:
18
36
18 - bet on 18
11
33
22
20
1
8
11 - bet on 18, 11
10
5
35
5 - bet on 18, 11, 5
19
35
21
35 - bet on 18, 11, 5 ,35
36
5 - HIT bankroll +7 units (do i have to track from beggining or do i have to use some numbers?)
29
7
14
13
9
14
22
12
4
29
15
23
28
15
13
30
34
24
20
2
5
15
35
31
18
22
6
5
OK - my bad! I read once again your rules and i have to track from beggining :)
yes, you just start over, new session
I got +1 out of that string of numbers, when 5 hits
TCS - why oops?
:o
QuoteI got +1 out of that string of numbers, when 5 hits
i have +7 units with my Roulette Extreme...
OMG i have to sleep - there is mistake :) my bad...
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 18, 02:25 PM 2012
18
36
18 - bet on 18
11 -1
33 -1
22 -1
20 -1
1 -1
8 -1
11 - bet on 18, 11 -1
10 -2
5 -2
35 -2
5 - bet on 18, 11, 5 -2
19 -3
35 -3
21 -3
35 - bet on 18, 11, 5 ,35 -3
36 -4
5 +32
I get +1 here
Oh, I read something someone sent to me by email all wrong. I thought it was just like your system---and it is similar---but not the same.
I should have read them both more carefully.
Sam
soggett u have right :)
18
36
18 - bet on 18
11 -1
33 -1
22 -1
20 -1
1 -1
8 -1
11 - bet on 18, 11 -1
10 -2
5 -2
35 -2
5 - bet on 18, 11, 5 -2
19 -3
35 -3
21 -3
35 - bet on 18, 11, 5 ,35 -3
36 -4
5 +32
but it should look like this:
18
36
18 - bet on 18
11 -1
33 -1
22 -1
20 -1
1 -1
8 -1
11 - bet on 18, 11 -1
10 -2
5 -2
35 -2
5 - bet on 18, 11, 5 -2
19 -3
35 - bet on 18,11,5,35 -4
21 -4
35 -4 (-29 + 36) HIT +7
36
5
soggett 3 very important questions:
1)
Quoteprogression failed only 1 time
how many money you loose? what did u do after lose?
2) your biggest bet on number?
3) any stop-lose?
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 18, 03:23 PM 2012
soggett You have right :)
18
36
18 - bet on 18
11 -1
33 -1
22 -1
20 -1
1 -1
8 -1
11 - bet on 18, 11 -1
10 -2
5 -2
35 -2
5 - bet on 18, 11, 5 -2
19 -3
35 -3
21 -3
35 - bet on 18, 11, 5 ,35 -3
36 -4
5 +32
but it should look like this:
18
36
18 - bet on 18
11 -1
33 -1
22 -1
20 -1
1 -1
8 -1
11 - bet on 18, 11 -1
10 -2
5 -2
35 -2
5 - bet on 18, 11, 5 -2
19 -3
35 - bet on 18,11,5,35 -4 only here -3
21 -4
35 -4 (-29 + 36) HIT +7
36
5
;D
you are right, i didn't see that
the 35 won so yes +7
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 18, 03:32 PM 2012
soggett 3 very important questions:
1) how many money you lose? what did u do after lose?
2) your biggest bet on number?
3) any stop-lose?
1 - 1000 units, played with 10 cents so $100, I ended for the day after the lose
2 - 28 units
3 - stop when you want - choose a win goal or when you are tired call it quits ;D
sorry, was in a hurry before so I just gave it a quick look
I'll go over your numbers
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 18, 02:25 PM 2012
18
36
18 - bet on 18
11
33
22
20
1
8
11 - bet on 18, 11
10
5
35
5 - bet on 18, 11, 5
19
35 - bet on 18,11,5,35
21
35 Win +7, start new session
36
5
29
7
14
13
9
14 - bet on 14
22
12
4
29 - bet on 14,29
15
23
28
15 - bet on 14,29,15
13 - bet on 14,29,15,13
30
34
24
20
2
5 - just mark (number 5 repeated also but we just mark it for now)
15 - Win +21, star over
35
31
18
22
6
5
so total +28 for now
Amazing stuff soggett!
Thank you!
Soggett...
I keep thinking of something Iggiv refered to as "Roulette Nature"
I am sure I knew what he meant before he wrote it, but I needed to see it in writing before it jumped into the front of my mind.
Your idea is definatly in the vein of Roulette Nature for sure.
Inside bets are the way. Law of the Third is the way. Trying to do all this flat betting is the challenge, because these 3 are the way forward.....(numerically speaking, as opposed to physical VB methods etc)
Just my view for what its worth.
Turner
@ sogget
Sebo my friend I am glad my idea gave you a sparkle :)
Roulette is so magical game indeed. Because some things works that theory say it shouldnt. They are rare but it can be found/made. That is a fact. Proven by people who are taking money with such strategyes. I personaly know few of those...
Everyone should found its own way. I am saying that all the time. One way or another... It can be done.
One just needs to be hard working, controled and patient and find level of success that fits to his own needs and wishes.
Good luck my friend
Cheers
Drazen
sobbett i have (i hope) last request... i found in my spins database hard spins for this system
can u check it?
19
15
30
23
29
26
21
24
0
31
6
5
34 - 2 hits, bet 34
11
34
1
33
3
19 - 2 hits , bet 34, 19
10
6 - 2 hits, bet 34,19, 6
2
18
28
30 - 2 hits, bet 34,19,6,30
10 - 2 hits
17
29 - 2 hits
17 - 2 hits progression starts - 2 units per number
10 - 3 hits so new bet numbers 10, 17, 29, 30 -2 units
6 ( 2u)
20 (2u)
15 - 2 hits (3u)
23 - 2 hits (3u)
22 (3u)
20 - 2 hits (4u)
16 (4u)
14 (5u)
5 - 2 hits (5u)
28 - 2 hits (6u)
36 (7u)
12 (8u)
31 - 2 hits (9u)
6 - 4 hits new numbers 6,10,31,28 (10u)
28 - win 396 - 376 = 20 units (11u per number when hit)
18
34
3
12
25
19
0
24
9
35
15
u guys surprise me today. Maybe u decided between two of u to make fun of me? Skakus and u Drazen. One with those voodoo centered numbers, another with the magical game ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
amk and Drazen thank you guys ;)
@Smoczoor
are this live spins?
I would have busted here, a very tough session indeed
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 18, 07:53 PM 2012
19
15
30
23
29
26
21
24
0
31
6
5
34
11
34 - 2 hits, bet 34
1
33
3
19 - 2 hits , bet 34, 19
10
6 - 2 hits, bet 34,19, 6
2
18
28
30 - 2 hits, bet 34,19,6,30
10 - 2 hits just mark
17
29 - 2 hits just mark
17 - 2 hits just mark
10 - 3 hits so new bet numbers 10, 17, 29, 30 and start new session from scratch
6
20
15
23
22
20 - 2 hits (just tracking, no bet yet)
16
14
5
28
36
12
31
6 - 2 hits (just tracking, no bets yet)
28 - 2 hits (just tracking, no bets yet)
18
34
3
12 - 2 hits (just tracking, no bets yet)
25
19
0
24 - here progression busts as 1000 units not enough
9
35
15 - 2 hits (just tracking, no bets yet)
also you got me thinking now about the way you did it ;D
the tough part with this system is what to do after your 4 numbers miss
if we go after more numbers we just bust earlier
if we stick to the first 4 numbers it busts much more that if we change them
didn't think you would find a losing session that fast :(
:-\ on this example u uses marked not used before numbers so i thought i can do it...
Quote1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
1 - bet 1
2 - bet 1,2
3 - bet 1,2,3
4 - bet 1,2,3,4
8 - mark only
7 - mark only
6 - mark only
5 - mark only
9
9 - mark only
7 - we missed the first 4 - now start betting 7,9,5,6 and we start tracking a new session while betting numbers from the previous session
1
2
3
1 - mark, don't bet (new session)
2 - mark, don't bet (new session)
7 - we win, +18 units and start betting 1 and 2 for the new session
3 - bet 1,2,3
1 - win, +31 units, start new session
like that
19
15
30
23
29
26
21
24
0
31
6
5
34
11
34 - 2 hits
1
33
3
19 - 2 hits , bet 34, 19
10
6 - 2 hits, bet 34,19, 6
2
18
28
30 - 2 hits, bet 34,19,6,30
10 - 2 hits
17
29 - 2 hits
17 - 2 hits
10 - 3 hits so new bet numbers 10, 17, 29, 30
6 - 3 hit (only mark)
20
15 - 2 hits (only mark)
23 - 2 hits (only mark)
22
20 - 2 hits (only mark)
16
14
5 - 2 hits (only mark)
28 - 2 hits (only mark)
36
12
31 - 2 hits (only mark)
6 - 4 hits so i take 4 "last hottest numbers" new numbers 6 (becouse hitted 4 times),10 (hitted 3 times),31 (there are no numbers with 4 and 3 hits so i take becouse it is newest number with 2 hits),28 (same like 31)
28 - win
my thinking is bad? i should here
Quote10 - 3 hits so new bet numbers 10, 17, 29, 30
erease all 2 hitted numbers and wait for new?
yes, after a number hits for the 3rd time you start a fresh session
if you didn't get a hit you don't bet the numbers from the new session, just track them because you are betting numbers from the previous session
hope it is clearer
This spins was found in net. When i test new systems i used the worst of the worst spins. ( I have ~3 x 1000 "bad" spins). When it passed i tested on my spins from my casino. Now i will test it on other numbers from net and on my numbers. If it is only one fail it will be ok becouse i have ~10000 spins. One fail in 10000 can be. After huge amount of test i will me more clever than now...
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 19, 06:49 AM 2012
This spins was found in net. When i test new systems i used the worst of the worst spins. ( I have ~3 x 1000 "bad" spins). When it passed i tested on my spins from my casino. Now i will test it on other numbers from net and on my numbers. If it is only one fail it will be ok becouse i have ~10000 spins. One fail in 10000 can be. After huge amount of test i will me more clever than now...
wow, thanks for your testing, looking forward to see your results
to be even it is about 1 loss for every 56 won sessions
my testing ended in 1 loss and 441 wins so that is very good
Hallo!
I have just made 6 sessions with this system at unibet,rng
1. 26 spin + 19 units
2. 17 spin +12 units
3. 16 spin +26 units
4. 16 spin + 22 units
5. 28 spin +28 units
6. 14 spin +19 units
In 2 session i hade to bet 2 units on the numbers.
A stoploss at 100-200 units,is that something to consider?
cheers
Nice work Sebo!
...I see that you are still holding up with repeaters and I hope that this time you found the right thing.
Read fast, and too tired to catch the details,in any case I will contact you if I stuck somewhere. Now I am going to sleep ;D
Have a nice day my friend!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: agesta on Dec 19, 02:36 PM 2012
Hallo!
I have just made 6 sessions with this system at unibet,rng
1. 26 spin + 19 units
2. 17 spin +12 units
3. 16 spin +26 units
4. 16 spin + 22 units
5. 28 spin +28 units
6. 14 spin +19 units
In 2 session i hade to bet 2 units on the numbers.
A stoploss at 100-200 units,is that something to consider?
cheers
very nice results, that is how it looks like when playing ( most of the time )
not sure if you should be playing it on RNG though, but to each his own
yes, you could use a smaller stoploss, ie with 300 units you would have the next best results, only you would lose more often
from my sessions you would lose 11 times and end +5520 units
with 200 units you would have 19 losses and end +4620 units
with 500 units you would have 7 losses and end +5000 units
so you can play around with that if 1000 is too much for you
but be careful of RNG ( I dont recommend it ) and keep in mind you may not have the same results as me (we will know for sure when the trecker gets here and we run a larger spin sample)
Quote from: niksa on Dec 19, 06:09 PM 2012
Nice work Sebo!
...I see that you are still holding up with repeaters and I hope that this time you found the right thing.
Read fast, and too tired to catch the details,in any case I will contact you if I stuck somewhere. Now I am going to sleep ;D
Have a nice day my friend!! :thumbsup:
thank you my friend
no problem , I am here to help
you have a nice day too
I have not been here for a while,this is the best repeat system on the forum ,11 games won the all flat bet. :thumbsup:
soggett
Tell you what-------when the tracker comes, I will test this on BV. I play on three casinos--BV being one of them--and I see no difference in BV and the other two.
My poor ol' brain is on overload as it is. If I learn one more thing, I'll 'splode!
TwoCat
Quote from: warrior on Dec 20, 10:28 AM 2012
I have not been here for a while,this is the best repeat system on the forum ,11 games won the all flat bet. :thumbsup:
thanks warrior
yes, great deal of the time it is just flat bet
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 20, 10:55 AM 2012
soggett
Tell you what-------when the tracker comes, I will test this on BV. I play on three casinos--BV being one of them--and I see no difference in BV and the other two.
My poor ol' brain is on overload as it is. If I learn one more thing, I'll 'splode!
TwoCat
looking forward to your results TCS
and please don't explode ;D
Soggett
Thank you for the advice and the statistic about stoploss!
I will play this nice system ´with live spins during chrismas.
Thanks again!
Quote from: agesta on Dec 20, 03:13 PM 2012
Soggett
Thank you for the advice and the statistic about stoploss!
I will play this nice system ´with live spins during chrismas.
Thanks again!
No problem
just make sure you report back here with your results ;)
Idid give this system a good try on smart live air ball , playing with 20p and 50p chips i managed to get the £15 bankroll upto £110. You know the rest LoL , yep i lost the lot
Conclusion the hit rate at times is phenominal , profit bets gradually decline though, the house edge will bring negative results as usual. This is not a system that will perform over any length of time but big wins could be made with this method. I think actually it's a pretty good system providing the wheels are not rigged. I was doing very well with this system , the thing to avoid is betting bigger when things slow down and wins are getting thin on the ground. I bet bigger and lost it all. Nothing unusual there though ;D
Worth a go this one but run away with the winnings , you won't buy a porche!
Nice job SOGGETT
I play a similar method and it works pretty well. For me it comes in waves and the trick is in recognizing when you are between waves (sort of the trick to all gambling methods is recognizing the trends as they happen instead of looking at them in 20/20 hindsight...I know, I know) and just implementing a stop-loss and bailing out of a session before it consumes all your winnings.
When it wins you can make some serious gains.
If you're careful on the downside and don't try to fit a square peg in a round hole when you're grinding or losing, the upside will outpace a whole slew of small hits.
Congrats on this
rouletteKEY,
How is your method different from this ? And how do the results compare.
If your method is described in a different thread, please do tell which thread.
Thank You,
stringbean...mine is not laid out in a post of it's own but I commented fairly heavy on Ignatus' Juggler thread.
I've played mine for years...results are solid when using your head with money management...that's why I really haven't changed much over the years.
They are all in the same vein...it just comes down to tweaks and player styles
rouletteKEY, thanks for your reply. I will read the Juggler thread
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Dec 22, 11:51 AM 2012
Nice job SOGGETT
I play a similar method and it works pretty well. For me it comes in waves and the trick is in recognizing when you are between waves (sort of the trick to all gambling methods is recognizing the trends as they happen instead of looking at them in 20/20 hindsight...I know, I know) and just implementing a stop-loss and bailing out of a session before it consumes all your winnings.
When it wins you can make some serious gains.
If you're careful on the downside and don't try to fit a square peg in a round hole when you're grinding or losing, the upside will outpace a whole slew of small hits.
Congrats on this
I was hopeing you would like it ;)
Quote from: Kingspin on Dec 22, 10:13 AM 2012
Idid give this system a good try on smart live air ball , playing with 20p and 50p chips i managed to get the £15 bankroll upto £110. You know the rest LoL , yep i lost the lot
Conclusion the hit rate at times is phenominal , profit bets gradually decline though, the house edge will bring negative results as usual. This is not a system that will perform over any length of time but big wins could be made with this method. I think actually it's a pretty good system providing the wheels are not rigged. I was doing very well with this system , the thing to avoid is betting bigger when things slow down and wins are getting thin on the ground. I bet bigger and lost it all. Nothing unusual there though ;D
Worth a go this one but run away with the winnings , you won't buy a porche!
sory to hear about your loss
well all methods lose at some point right?
if you stayed with the same chip value you would be in plus right?
Soggett
Thank you for the advice and the statistic about stoploss!
I will play this nice system ´with live spins during chrismas.
Thanks again!
No problem
just make sure you report back here with your results
Now i have played this system live,i played it live at the helsinki ferry to sweden ,i played 2 session,
Now the best part:
First session hit after 3 spins,second session hit in 2 spins, i won total 59 Euro in 5 spins,
I took the euros and hade a great dinner for me, my wife and my son with the money!!
Thanks for the dinner Soggett!!
Quote from: agesta on Dec 31, 06:48 AM 2012
Soggett
Thank you for the advice and the statistic about stoploss!
I will play this nice system ´with live spins during chrismas.
Thanks again!
No problem
just make sure you report back here with your results
Now i have played this system live,i played it live at the helsinki ferry to sweden ,i played 2 session,
Now the best part:
First session hit after 3 spins,second session hit in 2 spins, i won total 59 Euro in 5 spins,
I took the euros and hade a great dinner for me, my wife and my son with the money!!
Thanks for the dinner Soggett!!
No problem ;)
I love when that happens, a few spins and your up up up ;D
thanks for sharing your results :thumbsup:
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 19, 06:49 AM 2012
This spins was found in net. When i test new systems i used the worst of the worst spins. ( I have ~3 x 1000 "bad" spins). When it passed i tested on my spins from my casino. Now i will test it on other numbers from net and on my numbers. If it is only one fail it will be ok becouse i have ~10000 spins. One fail in 10000 can be. After huge amount of test i will me more clever than now...
Smoczoor, please post your RX code. I would like to experiment with this system. Thank You
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Jan 06, 08:36 PM 2013
Smoczoor, please post your RX code. I would like to experiment with this system. Thank You
what ideas do you have in mind?
maybe I have done them already so I can save you time
or can give you some data to help you out
i didn't code it in RX becouse I'm begginer programmer :( i tested it manually...
at the moment made some tweaks but i still working on this system to make it "perfect"
i found some tweaks that goes ahead with bad sessions but it still loses sometimes on other set of numbers :(
now I'm working with 2 numbers only and mixed it with some ignatus ideas - it passed 4000 bad spins and now I'm testing it with my casino numbers... I will post it only if it tank 10000 spins without any lose
Quote from: Smoczoor on Jan 07, 10:51 AM 2013
i didn't code it in RX becouse I'm begginer programmer :( i tested it manually...
at the moment made some tweaks but i still working on this system to make it "perfect"
i found some tweaks that goes ahead with bad sessions but it still loses sometimes on other set of numbers :(
now I'm working with 2 numbers only and mixed it with some ignatus ideas - it passed 4000 bad spins and now I'm testing it with my casino numbers... I will post it only if it tank 10000 spins without any lose
Nice job :thumbsup:
hope it stands it so I can take a crack at it ;)
Quote from: soggett on Jan 07, 09:51 AM 2013
what ideas do you have in mind?
maybe I have done them already so I can save you time
or can give you some data to help you out
soggett,
I did not have any ideas or tweaks in mind.
What I meant is to test this system for myself, thinking that would be an easier task with RX code
than doing it manually.
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Jan 07, 07:24 PM 2013
soggett,
I did not have any ideas or tweaks in mind.
What I meant is to test this system for myself, thinking that would be an easier task with RX code
than doing it manually.
oh, ok
well the tracker should be out soon (Vic?) so you will test it pretty easy then
soggett,
Firstly, thank you for posting this system. I find it very interesting (and hopefully profitable).
Looking forward to the tracker. Right now I am working with a software developer to create RX code for this, hence
I do have a few questions to help clarify our understanding.
A) You state
"I tested this over 10 000 live played spins â€" it ended +8801 units, progression failed only 1 time"
and later on
biggest bet on any number was 28 units
Please explain what you mean by "progression failed only 1 time", I do not comprehend this.
Also was this progression failure the time you bet 28 units ?
B) Regarding the progression, you state
"the progression used is the classic one, you need to calculate it as you add numbers so that on a hit you are always at plus (even 1 unit)"
Using this example, you start with an 1000 unit bankroll, hit a good winning streak and bankroll grows to 1200 units.
Then a bad streak comes, and your bankroll drops to 900 units
Should the progression now be aiming to get to above the 1000 unit starting bankroll, or the 1200 highest bankroll
C) The way I understand this system is that basically you bet up to 4 numbers with the most recent double hits, until ANY number (one you are betting on OR NOT betting on) hits a 3rd time.
Either way continue the progression in manner that will bring you into profit when you win.
While waiting for a 3rd hit, any numbers that have double hits will be "mark only"
If the 3rd hit number was one of your group of 4
- Great you win - Start tracking a new session - FROM SCRATCH - this means betting on the next 4 numbers that have double hits
If the 3rd hit number was NOT one of your group of 4, instead it was one of the "mark only" numbers
- Start tracking a new Session with with a maximum of 4 MOST RECENT "mark only" numbers, one of these numbers
WILL be the LAST spin number with the 3rd hit
Example
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
1 Bet 1
2 Bet 1,2
3 Bet 1,2,3
4 Bet 1,2,3,4
8 mark only
5 mark only
6 mark only
7 mark only
10 mark only
9 mark only
9 3rd hit (Bet 1,2,3,4 now changes to Bet 9,10,7,6) Note the 2 hits on 5 and 8 will be ignored
Hopefully we are thinking on the same page. If I have said anything incorrectly, please tell me so.
Regards,
A) it means that only once did the required amount needed to win exceed 1000 units (it was 3600 units i think)
the 28 units per number is the max you will bet in any game as the progression goes up, any more than that and you are over 1000 units
B) no, you use 1000 units as your bank, every hit puts you in new plus so if you are in middle of a play that started at 1200 and you get down to 900 a hit will get you to +1200 - and yes, if you lose you are still left with 200 units that you made
the bank is always 1000 units
C) you got everything, I maybe didn't explain right about starting new session if no hit
a session starts when 1 number repeats twice and ends when 1 number repeats for the third time
now we either win ( yeey) and end session, start new one
or
we didn't win (one of the "mark only" numbers hit), end session and start new one
now we switch numbers and bet like you said, the number that hit three times and the newest 3 numbers that hit twice ( you did right in example)
but only tracking till we get a hit on one of the numbers we are betting
only then do we switch to the new session and bet if we can
this is to speed it up a bit and often you will get a hit then swithc to the numbers from the new session and get another hit or within a few spins
hope I explained it right
you seem to got the hang of it
I am glad you like it
feel free to post your results, I will as soon as the tracker will be ready
I know some people that are doing very good with this, hope you do too
Thank you for the fast reply, I will pass this on to the developer.
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Jan 08, 07:25 AM 2013
Thank you for the fast reply, I will pass this on to the developer.
No problem, if you have more questions just ask ;)
For those of you who are looking for EX Code for this system. Here it is in a doc format.
All you do is save it in the designer folder of you Roulette Xtreme. Change the Hotnumbers.doc to Hotnumbers.dgt. You should be good to go,
Hope you all enjoy the code. Please check and recheck the progression.
Thanks.
Azim,
I thank you for your hard work and patience by coding this system into RX
Welcome to this forum.
Everyone, Azim is the software developer I mentioned in my previous post
Regards,
Quote from: Azim on Jan 09, 05:34 PM 2013
For those of you who are looking for EX Code for this system. Here it is in a doc format.
All you do is save it in the designer folder of you Roulette Xtreme. Change the Hotnumbers.doc to Hotnumbers.dgt. You should be good to go,
Hope you all enjoy the code. Please check and recheck the progression.
Thanks.
wellcome to the forum
and thanks for your work
I unfortunatelly don't have RX nor know how to use it so I have no idea if you did right, sorry
I have a question, after we hit a number 3 times.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
1->bet 1
2->bet 1,2
3->bet 1,2,3
4->bet 1,2,3,4
5->mark only
8->mark only
6->mark only
7->mark only
9->mark only
9-> change numbers to 9, 7,6,8.
1->Start tracking for New Session
2
3
4
5
1->mark only
2->mark only Still betting 9,7,6,8
9-> We get a hit we win. Now we change the numbers to 1,2
10-> we had 2 chips on 1,2
11-> 1,2
Can someone please confirm this.
Thanks.
Azim
Quote from: Azim on Jan 10, 12:03 PM 2013
I have a question, after we hit a number 3 times.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
1->bet 1
2->bet 1,2
3->bet 1,2,3
4->bet 1,2,3,4
5->mark only
8->mark only
6->mark only
7->mark only
9->mark only
9-> change numbers to 9, 7,6,8.
1->Start tracking for New Session
2
3
4
5
1->mark only
2->mark only Still betting 9,7,6,8
9-> We get a hit we win. Now we change the numbers to 1,2
10-> we had 2 chips on 1,2
11-> 1,2
Can someone please confirm this.
Thanks.
Azim
everything is correct except I dont get the red part, what do you mean by that?
after the 9 hit we switched to the triggers for the new session (1 and 2) and we start a fresh progression (from start) meaning 1 unit on each number
Yes. You are right. New progrssion and new session numbers.
Thats what I have in my code.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Quote from: Azim on Jan 10, 01:45 PM 2013
Yes. You are right. New progression and new session numbers.
that's what I have in my code.
Thanks for clarifying that.
thank you for all your work
if you have any more questions just ask me
and if it is done, could you test a couple of spins and post a graph for eveyone to see? thank you
As an example, attached is a test of this system on spielbank weisbaden spins using RX.
soggett, please review and tell us if this looks correct.
That large draw down starting around spin #80 is a concern.
Keep in mind that this is only one day's results, more testing should be done
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Jan 11, 06:38 AM 2013
As an example, attached is a test of this system on spielbank weisbaden spins using RX.
soggett, please review and tell us if this looks correct.
That large draw down starting around spin #80 is a concern.
Keep in mind that this is only one day's results, more testing should be done
as far as I can tell everything is done right, Azim did a very good job with this :thumbsup:
yes, the DD of 1269 is a BR buster for me, I would not go that far ( a shame as it hits 2 spins after the 1000 unit line)
man, first test and already a strike :(
Normally the graph should go just up and up ;D
I love the part when only 1 number was bet and hit :)
I agree that more testing should be done, hopefully other sessions won't be like this
thank you for your work on this, I appreciate it
I agree, Azim did a fantastic job coding this !
Quote from: soggett on Jan 11, 08:22 AM 2013
as far as I can tell everything is done right, Azim did a very good job with this :thumbsup:
Thank you.
yes, the DD of 1269 is a BR buster for me, I would not go that far ( a shame as it hits 2 spins after the 1000 unit line)
man, first test and already a strike :(
Don't shy off. I purposely started the bankroll at 2000unit's. Save your money and use your system. It will work in the long run.
Normally the graph should go just up and up ;D <- It's a positive trend. I have some Live number's from a live wheel and it works. Worst I have gone to is 5units.
I love the part when only 1 number was bet and hit :) <- This is what your method was, keep trend with the hotnumbers.
I agree that more testing should be done, hopefully other sessions won't be like this
thank you for your work on this, I appreciate it
Azim I agree with all that you said
this method is designed to like you said keep trend with the hotnumbers, always betting the "current hot"
and I have faith it works in the long run
I have had sessions where I didn't even get to bet 4 numbers, days when 2 unit bet was the max so I have faith in it
Thank you again for all your work
If you guys have any ideas, tweaks or anything just shoot, I am all ears
One thing i know, (experimenting with repeaters/hotnumbers) is that some hotnumbers sleep. So, they way I played I removed those hotnumbers not hit within 20 spins...
I don't know by the way you play this, how it can be used (or if neccesary at all?) because old repeaters are replaced by new ones etc.
That's one "tweak idea"
Use Spinmaster or Rouette Xtreme to remove sleeping hotnumbers/repeaters.
Hi Soggett!
I have been playing kind of simular of yours and it`s working okey for me, i just wonder if you still play this really good system of yours?
Agesta
Quote from: agesta on Dec 23, 11:13 AM 2013
Hi Soggett!
I have been playing kind of simular of yours and it`s working okey for me, i just wonder if you still play this really good system of yours?
Agesta
Hey agesta
I still experiment with it, haven't found the right tweak yet ^-^
care to share your thoughts (tweaks) ?