When 2 numbers are touching ( 2,3 17,18 34,35) IN THE LAST 5, play them 2 and pre/post numbers.
Do not cross zero. On a repeat, 2 before, one after. Always make 4.
Ex. 2,17,22,4,18. Play 16,17,18,19
Ex. 14,22,36,2,36 play 33,34,35,36
Ex. 16,22,34,19,16 play 14,15,16,17
Ex. 33,36,31,0,12,21,0 play 0,1,2,3
Play numbers until a new touching pair comes and switch.
If the win forms a touching pair or the same touching pair as last trigger......continue.
Testing to follow.
Turner
Fistly, why am I doing this?
Numbers clump together and its worth trying to do something with that imbalance within 5 spins.
Also, incorporating "close number" ideas, if we have some plus balance, we can add a number to the close 4. i.e. 22,31,33,14,1,6,13 (bet 12,13,14,15), 21, 13 win......bet still valid with 2x13 (so bet 11,12,13,14),10 (we have a plus balance so add 10 as it touches, betting 10,11,12,13,14), 31,12 Win
Below, i added 8 onto 9,10,11,12 because I was in a plus balance and it came out twice 3 spins later.
This graph means i will test further at least.
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Turner
I continued the above session
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you know this is vooodoo, right?!
anyways, you could also try the same principle with the actual location of the numbers on the wheel, meaning, betting sectors.....
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Dec 20, 04:47 PM 2012
you know this is vooodoo, right?!
anyways, you could also try the same principle with the actual location of the numbers on the wheel, meaning, betting sectors.....
vundarosa
Vundarosa
Voodoo....I disagree, although it depends what you class as voodoo. My idea of voodoo is 31 follows 13, 21 follows 12.....when 9 hits, bet 18,27....when 2 hits, bet 2,20,30 Absolutly no proof or reason for it to happen
My Idea here is to see when random seems to be clumping numbers. I don't think the wheel layout makes any difference. The wheel layout is man made like dozens and streets. The marquee is what to follow. Just the output. Not painted slots and conveniently grouped sections (my view...not a real world view)
This is trying to monopolise on an imbalance. When i see close numbers, the trend may follow. Voodoo is from a script not trend based.
If you watch RX set at a watchable automatic speed and look at statistics/numbers chart, you see the hit numbers dance around in the same area temporarily.... 13,11,11,16,12, for a small period.
Also, this idea bets around repeated numbers sometimes too...which repeat again. That isnt Voodoo either.
If this is Voodoo, then all systems are Voodoo and we are left with VB or cheating and getting an iphone to do it for us.
Again, I make it clear that its my view, and in no way intend to undermines your view that
it is Voodoo. I'm not preaching.
Turner
An interesting caveat....I got the idea last night messing with my Moog set to sample and hold random notes.....it appears to hit the same area of notes briefly
this is real temp effect, or just a bias of this particular wheel
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 20, 05:44 PM 2012
this is real temp effect, or just a bias of this particular wheel
I can agree....but note...this is an observation in notepad. No claims of greatness in the Main Roulette Board. Not a system.....just an observation written down. It may inspire someone to make a better system, or myself modify it. I dont own what I observed.
Turner
Test with real money on the Lativian online casino, 4 hits in 40 spins...
Turner,
I've been working with this idea for a while now and have built a system around this clumping of numerical numbers that has survived 30,000 actuals with about 5% profit on turnover, and that's flat betting.
Of course I do it differently, but that's not to say your idea isn't better. The main thing is you have stumbled on to a very reliable trigger source with loads of potential.
Do not dismiss random's ability to produce the same effect using the wheel order. I have studied it long and hard and can tell you there is insignificant difference in the results between the two number associations. That said, there is a huge practical advantage to using the numerical sequence for tracking and betting.
Here is the link to the system I’m referring to. I called it The Texas Sharpshooter link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9330.msg77907#msg77907 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9330.msg77907#msg77907) perhaps it will give you some ideas on how to take this clumping notion further.
I have a question.
With repeats what made you settle on 2 before 1 after and not the other way around?
8) it seems you have officially joined the voodoo club.
In my opinion you should always respect the probability of any chosen bet. In this case the bet is 4 numbers, so the probability demands a hit within 9 attempts. By your example you are open to the possibility of continuous betting and or switching, so the best way to acknowledge the running probability is perhaps with a staking plan that resets or changes after any win, or any 9 bet loss. Nothing too steep, as little as +1 -1 could be enough to lift this a few % points if set up correctly.
;D ;D ;D
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Quote from: Skakus on Dec 20, 06:32 PM 2012
Turner,
I've been working with this idea for a while now and have built a system around this clumping of numerical numbers that has survived 30,000 actuals with about 5% profit on turnover, and that's flat betting.
Of course I do it differently, but that's not to say your idea isn't better. The main thing is you have stumbled on to a very reliable trigger source with loads of potential.
Do not dismiss random's ability to produce the same effect using the wheel order. I have studied it long and hard and can tell you there is insignificant difference in the results between the two number associations. That said, there is a huge practical advantage to using the numerical sequence for tracking and betting.
Here is the link to the system I’m referring to. I called it The Texas Sharpshooter link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9330.msg77907#msg77907 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9330.msg77907#msg77907) perhaps it will give you some ideas on how to take this clumping notion further.
I have a question.
With repeats what made you settle on 2 before 1 after and not the other way around?
8) it seems you have officially joined the voodoo club.
Thanks skakus....I seem to remember you saying that before, re: the table layout and wheel layout are similar in results...and ...I had that vey point in mind when thinking of this. I actually lean toards output rather than wheel layout. Ive always used the marque...and as you say, due the the fact there is little difference, its prudent to take numbers due to the utterly simple way to track and observe at a live table.
as for the selection with a repeat....I have to stick to one way or the other to stay with 4 numbers.
It is an issue with double 0,1, double 2, double 35 and 36 so I just chose that. Thats Voodoo I guess.
Like I said, I see this in sets of numbers. I feel close numbers is more of a feature of random than 13 follows 31......so Ill settle for semi-Voodoo :thumbsup:
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 20, 07:01 PM 2012
In my opinion you should always respect the probability of any chosen bet. In this case the bet is 4 numbers, so the probability demands a hit within 9 attempts. By your example you are open to the possibility of continuous betting and or switching, so the best way to acknowledge the running probability is perhaps with a staking plan that resets or changes after any win, or any 9 bet loss. Nothing too steep, as little as +1 -1 could be enough to lift this a few % points if set up correctly.
I will study this closer when I get back from the knees up tomorrow night....thats if the world hasnt ended :thumbsup:
Well, it's Voodoo, for sure, but I'll not discount it for that!!
Think about this: The numbers are scattered about the actual wheel, so the only reason this would win is my old theory that certain numbers encourage other numbers to appear. (Not trying to take credit for your idea, Turner.)
I've been watching Ralph's bot play on BV. It's amazing how often 27 and 24 fall close to each other or whichever number came. Maybe I should look to see if this is the reason.
Sam
Thanks Sam, but I am begining to think that the wheel is another illusion.
At the end of the day, forget what produces the numbers...its about the numbers.
This may be bollox....but!!....its the path I am taking at present to help me focus on some new ideas.
You can't be ignatus and produce 15 ideas a week, some dozens, some hot numbers, some wheel sectors, some streets, some lines...they are all different concepts and you will have quantity not quality.
I am sticking to "the numbers are all we have" so i can focus for a while.
Its a thought experiment in a way.
"Imagine we have a telescope and every 2 mins we see a little square of paper on a stick come over a wall in the distance. On the paper is a number between 0 and 37. Just accept for once these are produced randomly in some way. That all you have.
There are no distractions. Wheel bias, dealer signature, bent airball machines, visual ballistics.
Just numbers. Now do something with those numbers.
(and what would we say?...LoL..."I noticed the guy on wednsday who holds the numbers over the wall gives a lot of repeaters")
Forget all that just for a week or so. Numbers... numbers.... numbers
Im not saying all the other ideas arnt correct. I am forgetting them for a while.
Turner
Turner
For a moment I thought when the numbers "came over the wall" they were rolled up and tossed. I thought: I'm not walking back and forth to that frickin' wall to get those numbers.
But they're on sticks and someone is holding them up!!
OK, I'll go with the flow. We have number 6. We don't care why!
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 23, 06:02 PM 2012
Turner
For a moment I thought when the numbers "came over the wall" they were rolled up and tossed. I thought: I'm not walking back and forth to that frickin' wall to get those numbers.
But they're on sticks and someone is holding them up!!
OK, I'll go with the flow. We have number 6. We don't care why!
Samster
You have it my friend.
Just while I think of some ideas...I see just numbers and what they are doing.
Proof got some stick recently...I think the comment was "arnt you embarrassed by these systems you put out"
Proofs a cool guy. he sees numbers rather as I described above. He focused on data mining and how he feels different wheels are susceptible to some numbers. The person who asked him if he was embarrassed should be embarrassed himself for not realising the "out of the box" thinking on Proofs behalf.
it inspired me to cut my thinking down to one way of looking for a while. Its a technique scientists use to find ways around problems.
As I said....i may be talking out of my rear end!!! but they are my thoughts...LoL
Thanks for looking in on this idea.
And yes....I'm thinking too f.uckin deep...but its christmas...i get jiggy at christmas :thumbsup:
Turner
Tried you system with good results! Two questions to ask you.
1. When you're betting and get a win, do you keep betting on the same four until another four appears?
2. If you're betting and the following appears:
3
4
5
1
2.................Does the 2 3 override the 4 5? Or must they come afterwards:
1
2
4
5
7
Or either way?
Turner You are in the right way:
Observe the sample from DublinBet:
34,8,33,16,0,9,15,36,8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,4,0,24,10,8,13,14,6,13,6,20,26,9,16,3
8,6 conection numbers (distance 2), play 5,6,7,8,9
Remember, numbers of the same decade have stronger connections.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 24, 12:09 AM 2012
Turner
Tried you system with good results! Two questions to ask you.
1. When you're betting and get a win, do you keep betting on the same four until another four appears?
2. If you're betting and the following appears:
3
4
5
1
2.................Does the 2 3 override the 4 5? Or must they come afterwards:
1
2
4
5
7
Or either way?
Samster
1. Only if that win made a touching number....
2. Yes....im only interested in the newest touching number
Turner
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 24, 12:29 AM 2012
Turner You are in the right way:
Observe the sample from DublinBet:
34,8,33,16,0,9,15,36,8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,4,0,24,10,8,13,14,6,13,6,20,26,9,16,3
8,6 conection numbers (distance 2), play 5,6,7,8,9
Remember, numbers of the same decade have stronger connections.
There are a few wins in ur numbers. 8/9...3/4 twice....13/14
Thanks, Turner
Even playing it wrong, I did OK. I'll play it right from now on.
Sam
Turner, Turner on the Burner--gettin' hot! Gettin' hot!
Just won 240 pennies!!
Hey, one more question: What does "do not cross zero" mean?
To clarify:
9
9.........bet 7,8,9,10...........right?
Turner, you may have done it! More testing, but this looks exceptionally good. That guy throwing numbers over the wall did a fine job!
Sam
You may also play the cadences instead of singles. More numbers but bigger chance to hit.
ex: 1,2 = 0.10.20.30, 2,12,22,32, 3,13,23,33
/Maan
Quote from: Maan on Dec 24, 09:58 AM 2012
You may also play the cadences instead of singles. More numbers but bigger chance to hit.
ex: 1,2 = 0.10.20.30, 2,12,22,32, 3,13,23,33
/Maan
/Maan
Those numbers are all over the wheel and carpet. Turner's numbers are consecutive on the carpet. I'll play it his way.
But thanks for the input.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 24, 09:12 AM 2012
Turner, Turner on the Burner--gettin' hot! Gettin' hot!
Just won 240 pennies!!
Hey, one more question: What does "do not cross zero" mean?
To clarify:
9
9.........bet 7,8,9,10...........right?
Turner, you may have done it! More testing, but this looks exceptionally good. That guy throwing numbers over the wall did a fine job!
Sam
Correct on the 9......
But...and thanks Mare for the input...but the only situatuion open for debate really is what to do with a repeat.
Currently...I take 2 left and 1 right, i.e. 22,16,13,22 and bet 20,21,22,23 but having read Texas sharpshooter in full...I see why Skakus questioned this reasoning, because he deals with repeats within his close number idea.
I don't know. I want to bet 4 chips. its from MrJ mentality. perhaps a repeat should be 2 chips on the repeat and one either side. But then 36,36 is an issue.
As for don't cross the zero........0/1 isnt a trigger for the 36. i.e...not 36,0,1,2,....36 is not close to 0. so it would be 0,1,2,3,4..and 35/36 wouldnt be 34,35,36,0.....it would be 33,34,35,36.
That I do get because I am claiming some relationship with touching numbers, and there is no reason to include 36 and 0 as touching.
Turner
Turner, i suggest u check it as hit-n-run skipping lots of spins. for example take german spin database with different numbers and check each wheel testing only one session then skipping
500 spins and so on. Look, this kind of phenomena is impossible to work consistently. But it may work sometimes.
i know such things happen. I also found something like this working amazingly on a couple of wheels, but then tested it with different wheels...i did not like the results so much.
but maybe u will find it working better. Remember, when u check only a couple of wheels, amazing things could happen and till u check other wheels u may think u found a golden mine. Roulette is like this. Luring.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 24, 01:49 PM 2012
i know such things happen. I also found something like this working amazingly on a couple of wheels, but then tested it with different wheels...i did not like the results so much.
but maybe u will find it working better. Remember, when u check only a couple of wheels, amazing things could happen and till u check other wheels u may think u found a golden mine. Roulette is like this. Luring.
Iggiv....do you see me getting excited? nooooo. Its in Notepad. its a phenomina I saw. I am very grounded...don't worry. No money spent on this idea. Just German wheel data on RX but your concern is very much appreciated
LoL....here is my latest test from Bremen wheel 20th Dec...
yeah, i hope so u won't go for real money on it right awa. But how about checking a few wheels? like 10 at least?
if it happens on a few wheels it is gonna be really interesting.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 24, 02:15 PM 2012
yeah, i hope so u won't go for real money on it right awa. But how about checking a few wheels? like 10 at least?
if it happens on a few wheels it is gonna be really interesting.
Iggiv...i listen...that's how I learn. i will do just that my friend.....try a few wheels
Thanks
Turner
:thumbsup:
I'll bet real pennies on it for a while at BV.
iggiv
So, you feel certain wheels are more suited for certain systems? Very interesting as I have felt that way for a long time. Do you think it's the pockets, the dealers or what?
Sam
Thats BV covered...thanks
Im trying will Hill live dealer (results in RX...no cash)
Betvoyager is not real wheel mind u. Why don't u wanna try different wheels from Germany first?
on WH u spend too much time to see what's goin on
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 24, 02:37 PM 2012
Betvoyager is not real wheel mind u. Why don't u wanna try different wheels from Germany first?
on WH u spend too much time to see what's goin on
To be fair Iggiv, i have done just that. Different wheels on speilbank. What i will do tho is consciously try 10 different wheels from there. i wasnt consciously doing it up to now
This is a gift to Turner, XMAS !!!
In this image, u can see the solution to the connection between numbers.
(link:://imageshack.us/a/img835/3218/study2.png)
Fast test live numbers
Soggett....
Thanks for your interest in my idea....Proofreaders2000 deleted all our posts......moving forward....I wanted to report on your tests.
I typed a reply to both for 2 hours and its gone, so its rather fresh in my mind.
Test 1 was ok....but I got +144U
Test 2 was a nightmare of numbers, but you missed a win on 26 and then a massive "no trigger" so it was -68U not -144U or what ever you posted....its deleted so I'm working from memory
Please do me a favour. Just look through test 1 again. It really hits home how this can work. The 7 area gets many hits from the rules. Its worth continuing I think.
These are my test results attached of touching numbers using numbers from Airball roulette
Each session is made up of 185 numbers and I have 7 sessions completed .I used $1 units
Flat betting .I need help to find out what stop loss to use and what profit to stop at.I will
give a run through of my balance for each session. Hope some one can help.
Quote from: ROB22 on Dec 28, 10:44 PM 2012
I need help to find out what stop-loss to use and what profit to stop at.
You could test this, it's The Magic Square Progression.
I made it a long time ago for EC bets but it can be adapted to any type of bet.
Around the square are four positons numbered 1.2.3.4. These represent the unit amount to be bet for the next round. Just stay in the same position for up to 9 bets and move as instructed after any hit or 9 bet loss.
There are only ever 3 available or uncovered positions because you don't count the current bet position. For example if you are betting 4 units (position 4) then a hit moves you to the highest available position, which is position 3. A loss moves you to the lowest available position, which is position 1.
So,
hit on 4 move to 3.
loss on 4 move to 1.
hit on 3 move to 4.
loss on 3 move to 1.
hit on 2 move to 4.
loss on 2 move to 1.
hit on 1 move to 4.
loss on 1 move to 2.
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/magicsquare1_zps726033c0.jpg)
9 bets may be too many, you could try 5 bets, just experiment.
I've been thinking about it. Maybe 3 bets then move would work better.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 28, 07:15 PM 2012
Soggett....
Thanks for your interest in my idea....Proofreaders2000 deleted all our posts......moving forward....I wanted to report on your tests.
I typed a reply to both for 2 hours and its gone, so its rather fresh in my mind.
Test 1 was ok....but I got +144U
Test 2 was a nightmare of numbers, but you missed a win on 26 and then a massive "no trigger" so it was -68U not -144U or what ever you posted....its deleted so I'm working from memory
Please do me a favour. Just look through test 1 again. It really hits home how this can work. The 7 area gets many hits from the rules. Its worth continuing I think.
Thank you turner for checking it out
don't know why proof deleted it all
yes, I made a mistake on test 2, found it and it did end much better
and I found the mistake on test 1 too
Yeah, we need a tracker ;D
the first test was just awesome
I am gonna look into this a bit more
do you suggest a wingoal/stop loss?
what BR do you think we should use?
Proofreaders2000 deleted all our posts......moving forward....I wanted to report on your tests.--Turner
*My apologies to everyone--but Turner hates anyone suggesting mods to his systems (word to the wise) he becomes disrespectful.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 29, 11:03 AM 2012
Proofreaders2000 deleted all our posts......moving forward....I wanted to report on your tests.--Turner
*My apologies to everyone--but Turner hates anyone suggesting mods to his systems (word to the wise) he becomes disrespectful.
Not sure where this has all come from....and disrespectful?
In my defense...and im not sure why i am defending myself...I have been more than polite to you proof and tried to form some kind of friendship, as you know, in PM. You have absolutly no reason to of made that comment at all.
Anyhow...nothing surprises me, and one shouldnt be offended when someone throws your attempts to be friendly in your face. thats life.
I do listen and I have taken on board what Iggiv said to me in a PM and am currently testing on 10 different wheels from German casinos. I thank Iggiv for his advice. It makes sense.I also intended to try different tables as he suggested too at the casino, in a hit and run style, but only one table was open. Its something you can only try in a real casino
In many ways Proof, you and Iggiv have inspired me to try a different way to look at how different wheels can make a difference. I thank you for that.
Turner
Quote from: soggett on Dec 29, 08:40 AM 2012
Thank you turner for checking it out
don't know why proof deleted it all
yes, I made a mistake on test 2, found it and it did end much better
and I found the mistake on test 1 too
Yeah, we need a tracker ;D
the first test was just awesome
I am gonna look into this a bit more
do you suggest a wingoal/stop-loss?
what BR do you think we should use?
Soggett my friend....
Im not considering a stop loss yet or BR...reason?..I am just trying to get hit rate correct with flat betting.
I think the best way is flat betting with a good hit rate.
As for the tracker, me and Orichi are talking about it. he is kindly making a tracker, and I am incredibly impressed with him doing so. Really nice of him.
keep you posted.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 29, 07:50 PM 2012
Soggett my friend....
I'm not considering a stop-loss yet or BR...reason?..I am just trying to get hit rate correct with flat betting.
I think the best way is flat betting with a good hit rate.
As for the tracker, me and Orichi are talking about it. he is kindly making a tracker, and I am incredibly impressed with him doing so. Really nice of him.
keep you posted.
I agree, flat betting and this could be golden, should have a good hit rate (at least has so far)
Wow, thanks to Orichi from me too, that is great
I make lots of mistakes so a tracker will be very handy ;)
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 20, 07:01 PM 2012
In my opinion you should always respect the probability of any chosen bet. In this case the bet is 4 numbers, so the probability demands a hit within 9 attempts. By your example you are open to the possibility of continuous betting and or switching, so the best way to acknowledge the running probability is perhaps with a staking plan that resets or changes after any win, or any 9 bet loss. Nothing too steep, as little as +1 -1 could be enough to lift this a few % points if set up correctly.
I am agreeing with 9 and stop for the future. It makes sense. Right now I want to see what it does in modules. 1st module is flat bet continuous many tests. I will get a better picture after all the testing. Theres no rush to get this right. There will be changes later. Ive been given plenty of ideas from everyone....with thanks
Some testing started. 10 different tables from german casinos all on the same day
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Niceee :thumbsup:
if the graphs keep looking like that... >:D >:D
Quote from: soggett on Dec 30, 11:06 AM 2012
Niceee :thumbsup:
if the graphs keep looking like that... >:D >:D
Soggett....8 to go yet......put the fireworks back in the box !!! :thumbsup:
Turner
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 29, 11:03 AM 2012
Proofreaders2000 deleted all our posts......moving forward....I wanted to report on your tests.--Turner
*My apologies to everyone--but Turner hates anyone suggesting mods to his systems (word to the wise) he becomes disrespectful.
With the above being kept in mind...if this gets deleted I won't be offended...
that being said
Turner,
I normally track and play sectors on a 00 wheel here in the USA so I took your method and plugged it into my tracking that's already on my PC from B&M IGT Roulette Evolution. I stopped after 10 losses and waited for a virtual win to restart tracking and play. On a win I stay on a winning group for three more spins after the win before re-tracking.
Thru about 500 spins it's doing very well on both the wheel sectors and on the felt. Running up 1.77 units per spin on the 9 felt sectors such as 1,4,7,10 (not played spin...but recorded spin so that includes all tracking as well) and 1.3 units per spin on the 10 wheel sectors I use (that includes 2 wheel sectors of only 3 numbers surrounding the green 2,0,28 1,00,27). I am striclty playing sectors and not centered on the numbers as you suggest...this is simply out of sheer laziness on my part. I have sectors written down so I just scan the sector codes and test.
Tracks easy, plays easy and so far both running very nice slopes if you put 'em on a graph.
Just wanted to say thanks for for the idea regarding figuring my trigger points.
Great Roulettekey. I am really happy it helped you get a few wins.
having listened to Skakus (theres me listening again) I realised that the wheel layout and the wheel output are similar in performance.
Im not betting on table layout in my mind, I am betting on wheel output.
It should work same for you but you seem to have an imprint of the layout in your head. i dont....but of course I have an imprint of numbers so I choose that for ease.
As for what Proof said, only he can explain what it is about. I am completly baffled and a tad sad about it really.
I am very open to ideas and think about it!.....I formulated this idea from reading others ideas.
I just want to have a good system that does well in a casino. My sense of humour does get me into trouble. it doesn't always translate well in text and when read by people for whom English isnt there 1st language.
Any other suggestions are very welcome.
Turner
As for what Proof said, only he can explain what it is about. I am completly baffled and a tad sad about it really.
You haven't been the same since the Proofreaders Board went up
you complained about it, stopped supporting me and started ignoring me alltogether.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 30, 04:42 PM 2012
As for what Proof said, only he can explain what it is about. I am completly baffled and a tad sad about it really.
You haven't been the same sincethe Proofreaders Board went up
you complained about it, stopped supporting me and started ignoring me alltogether.
Proof....I havnt the slightest idea what you are talking about....seriously mate....not a clue.
PM me please...we can discuss this further. Im sure what you are saying looks as confusing to everyone as it does to me.
back to testing....and a bad day at the races....well....I came in this casino with high hopes, and left short of some change from my pocket. Honest testing...warts and all....as they say.
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Turner
You lost 12 units. There are days I would kill to only lose 12 units!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 30, 05:33 PM 2012
Turner
You lost 12 units. There are days I would kill to only lose 12 units!!
Sam
Spurred on by Sam the Great....I test table 4
Goodbye Turner
I don't think Turner meant anything bad towards u, Proof.
by the way, your section is a real HIT. as i can read all the stuff collected there, it's very cool.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 30, 06:36 PM 2012
Goodbye Turner
Hi Turner.
When a number repeats within 5 spins do you start betting that number and 2 either side, or do you only bet when 2 consecutive numbers hit within 5 spins?
>>> Don't bother. I see what to do, 2 before/1 after.
Cheers.
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 30, 06:49 PM 2012
Hi Turner.
When a number repeats within 5 spins do you start betting that number and 2 either side, or do you only bet when 2 consecutive numbers hit within 5 spins?
>>> Don't bother. I see what to do, 2 before/1 after.
Cheers.
Skakus....sometimes you cant do that. its governed by 0 and 36 arnt touching. 0,0 is 0,1,2,3......1,1 is 0,1,2,3......36,36 is 33,34,35,36 etc.
Turner
ok, thanks for that.
What about this?
13.7.21.22.14.
Do I keep betting 20.21.22.23, or do I switch to 12.13.14.15?
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 30, 07:16 PM 2012
ok, thanks for that.
What about this?
13.7.21.22.14.
Do I keep betting 20.21.22.23, or do I switch to 12.13.14.15?
Switch....its all about the last number out compared to the last 5
gotcha :thumbsup:
Quote from: ROB22 on Dec 28, 10:44 PM 2012
These are my test results attached of touching numbers using numbers from Airball roulette
Each session is made up of 185 numbers and I have 7 sessions completed .I used $1 units
Flat betting .I need help to find out what stop-loss to use and what profit to stop at.I will
give a run through of my balance for each session. Hope some one can help.
Rob....sorry but I dont get the results in the PDF...perhaps you could explain
Please remember, this is in notepad and I am trying to destroy it. It has no stop loss or win goal because it doesnt exist yet
Turner
Just made 300 units on BV zero wheel. Zero hurt!
Still, this looks good, but it could all be luck.
Thanks, Turner.
Sam
Quote from: Turner on Dec 30, 05:11 PM 2012
back to testing....and a bad day at the races....well....I came in this casino with high hopes, and left short of some change from my pocket. Honest testing...warts and all....as they say.
Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen
Eine Veröffentlichung oder Ver-
vielfältigung ohne schriftliche
Genehmigung dieser Daten ist
nicht gestattet.
Tisch: T2
Datum: 2012-12-23
its just 135 spins, do you have more, maybe it went up?
on a side note, did you maybe think of trying this wheel based and not layout based? do you think it could work like that also?
Quote from: soggett on Dec 31, 04:00 AM 2012
its just 135 spins, do you have more, maybe it went up?
on a side note, did you maybe think of trying this wheel based and not layout based? do you think it could work like that also?
Soggett...i think it would....give ot a try..all numbers touch so no 0,36 issue.
I think our friend Roulettekey tried this.
Personally....ive fell foul to skipping from one idea to another in the past. It looks like im not listening to tweeks from other members....but i am noting them. Im gonna try and murder it with these rules only....taking notes.
If i mess with the rules....i wouldnt of noticed how many times the next number out is a touching miss...i.e betting 5,6,7,8 and 9 hits.
Trying to be dogmatic in my approach
Recently....a few people got a bit excited by another idea of mine where you play in one doz only when it hits 2 times in the last 5.
I had no recollection of posting it. Thats how little i had tested it.
Turner
I will try to explain the pdf file for you Turner.
Example .
5
10
33
12
32
Touching numbers 32,33 within 5
Start betting 31,32,33,34
8
33 win
Same touching numbers so keep betting 31,32,33,34
36
23
14
22 new touching numbers 22,23
The LW registry for 31,32,33,34
LLLWLL L = -4 W = +32 Balance +12
Start betting 21,22,23,24
So every time I get new touching numbers I show the LLLLWLLLL and balance
for that session flat betting.
I have been also testing a progression of +1 after 9 losses and after a win
dropping back down to 1.When I get 8 losses and 1 win LLLLLLLLW which
is even I stay on same progression. I have tested this on the 7 sessions
and its done well .The lowest the balance went to is -272 in 1 session and
it went to +100 much faster.
I have tested lots of different systems over the last couple of years and I know what to expect.
The more I test a system the more it starts losing. I will keep testing when I have
time. I wonder if airball roulette is better for the repeating numbers .Maybe its
just luck , I hope not.
Turner did you ever think of using touching numbers on the wheel? (like really touching)
Quote from: Jordsie669 on Jan 01, 12:13 AM 2013
Turner did you ever think of using touching numbers on the wheel? (like really touching)
Makes no difference to the results, and it's much easier using the numerical order. Though I'm not sure why Turner didn't just loop the numbers and touch 0,36.
It would not effect the overall % in the long run, and is a bit tidier.
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 01, 12:24 AM 2013
Makes no difference to the results, and it's much easier using the numerical order. Though I'm not sure why Turner didn't just loop the numbers and touch 0,36.
It would not effect the overall % in the long run, and is a bit tidier.
Skakus....I dont know either....to be frank. i think I wanted to see numbers. Not anything else...and felt 0 and 36 arnt touching.
I will try...which I agree...will tidy things up.....Thanks for the pointer...
Look at me...happy to take on others ideas and being respectful...LMAO
CHANGES.
Due to popular request...i felt changes were needed. Its based purely on testing testing testing.
Testing is absolutly paramount to "seeing" and "feeling" the true reason for a system. Testing is where you get intimate with your idea.
Skakus...and others noted some things. A stop point...because this can go on for ever without a trigger. So.....
1. dont bet the same trigger more than 9 times, or 7 times (see no.3)
2. Pass 0-36....so 0,1 can be 36,0,1,2.......35,36 would be 34,35,36,0
3. on a repeat...bet 5...so 0,0 = 35,36,0,1,2
it moves around like a slide rule now. Much easier.
Thanks for the help.
Turner
Quote from: Jordsie669 on Jan 01, 12:13 AM 2013
Turner did you ever think of using touching numbers on the wheel? (like really touching)
I have, but I see you have started your own post which is great. i made changes, which brings the 2 ideas even closer.
So turner, how is it going? any updates?
is the tracker on its way? ;)
are you still having good results?