I use to own this method years ago but somehow lost it. If I remember correctly, it was not too bad a method. Does anyone have this to post? Ken
I have that method but only in Spanish.
can you please upload it or send to my email, I will try to translate it in English.
Ok.
sent by email
Mr. J,
I am ready with its english translation. mail me to recieve it. Katilla I am sending to you as an attachment. If you have any other book give me to translate.
hey albalaha would I be able to view the translated one?
whoever needs a copy mail me. I feel copyrighted material shold not be kept open on our forum.
I have also send you an e-mail.
:)
Regards
MAX
and I have sent the translated book to you instantly.
You can find this method of jack's and his other method,"positional roulette" over at the internet archive site" link:://:.archive.org/ (link:://:.archive.org/) you just type :.sq-ro-let.com (link:://:.sq-ro-let.com) on the website and it will list all his website pages from years ago.
The positional roulette method looks very good to me,because it focuses on inside bets,it will probably be of no use to most people here I imagine :(
Hi, moles40, thank you for the links.
Unfortunately the 2 nd link
:.sq-ro-let.com (link:://:.sq-ro-let.com)
doesn t work there is always an error :
Oops! Internet Explorer could not find :.sq-ro-let.com (link:://:.sq-ro-let.com)
Where can we find:
the "positional roulette method " ?
With best regards
kawa4711
Sorry I think I have confused you,but dont worry here are the links you need :)
For the positional roulette method link:://web.archive.org/web/20021208213820/:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterNine.html (link:://web.archive.org/web/20021208213820/:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterNine.html)
and the square roulette method link:://web.archive.org/web/20021208215737/:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterOne.html (link:://web.archive.org/web/20021208215737/:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterOne.html)
;) :)
Thanks for the info guys! Ken
Hi, moles40, thank you, the links work now pretty well.
Best regards
kawa4711
First of all thanks moles40 for the useful link ^^
I've read it and understand everything till chapter 9
After that I don't know if he is explaining another system or completing the last one :S
What you guys think?
Quote from: A3on on Sep 04, 11:33 AM 2010
First of all thanks moles40 for the useful link ^^
I've read it and understand everything till chapter 9
After that I don't know if he is explaining another system or completing the last one :S
What you guys think?
Basically, this is what i understand he's saying to play his SQUARE ROULETTE:
Track the last 38 numbers spun. On the next spin. play all the numbers within those last 38 numbers that have a same color as last spun number. The amount of numbers played could vary. I just checked a set of 38 numbers from the German casino, and was able to find 11 red numbers that could be played on the next spin.
With his other system, Jacks' Positional Roulette, you only play 4 numbers. These numbers are selected from the wheel itself.
Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
The Square Roulette I had fully understand.
Jacks' Positional Roulette, I have no clue what is about :S I just know it involves tracking the ball spins C and CC
Wow!~
What a great read! When I first read it I just read Part 1 and I was kind of left scratching my head a little when I was done. But then when I came back to the thread and saw the link for Part 2. . . . . that explains the system much better. Thanks Moles for posting the new links!
@Ken
Thanks for starting this thread. I have gotten quite an education today.
@carsch
Thanks for clearing up the whole tracking 38 spins thing. I wasn't very clear on that. He gets kind of deep in the book and off track at times. It threw me off pretty bad with all the percentages and statistics. But I finally got back on track.
The Positional Roulette is what I really took away from it. That is a very cool method of play.
I have only tested it twice. But the first 38 spins I hit 5 times. (Just like the book said) And the second time I hit 6 times. So there is obviously something to it. Of course more testing will have to be done. I haven't really had that much time to test. I spent most of the day reading the damn thing!
The thing that I don't get about the clockwise and counter clockwise bet selection is how do you know when to switch from C to CC or from CC to C? He says that he sometimes plays one direction for more than 20 spins. WTF?
@A3on
Positional is tough to suss out at first but once you understand it. You can win. Lots!
So since I don't understand when to switch from C to CC. I am in the process of making a chart that denotes all C and all CC bets for each number. I figure if we can win 5 out of 38 spins by playing only 4 numbers then we should be able to win more by playing all 8 numbers.
Right?
I will post the chart when I am finished. Thanks again Ken for starting this thread.
D
Quote from: Drogan on Sep 04, 10:30 PM 2010
@carsch
Thanks for clearing up the whole tracking 38 spins thing. I wasn't very clear on that. He gets kind of deep in the book and off track at times. It threw me off pretty bad with all the percentages and statistics. But I finally got back on track.
The Positional Roulette is what I really took away from it. That is a very cool method of play.
I have only tested it twice. But the first 38 spins I hit 5 times. (Just like the book said) And the second time I hit 6 times. So there is obviously something to it. Of course more testing will have to be done. I haven't really had that much time to test. I spent most of the day reading the damn thing!
The thing that I don't get about the clockwise and counter clockwise bet selection is how do you know when to switch from C to CC or from CC to C? He says that he sometimes plays one direction for more than 20 spins. WTF?
@A3on
Positional is tough to suss out at first but once you understand it. You can win. Lots!
But the Square Roulette doesn't involve C and CC, or does it?
Because I hadn't understand if we have
Square Roulette system that is about track 38 numbers, bet on last color on numbers already shown (and dont bet on repeat) and
Jacks' Positional Roulette that is a different system and it's about C and CC
or if
Jacks' Positional Roulette and
Square Roulette are made to play together and make only one system
:s
I'm kinda confused on it
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Quote from: Drogan on Sep 04, 10:30 PM 2010
I will post the chart when I am finished.
Thanks :D
Dear Friends,
I did not find the book either interesting or informative. Could someone please test the method and provide success rate here?
I believe Square Ro-let is the name of the "system", the website, the little card, and the whole idea of the book. But the actual method of play is Jack's Positional Roulette. That is where you choose the 4 numbers C or CC on the chart.
Like I said earlier, he kind of went off the rails when he was explaining the 38 spins thing. So I didn't get that until Carsch explained it earlier. He is certainly partial to the Positional method. I believe that is the whole BACKBONE of the system. He even refers to it a couple of times when he is explaining the even money bets. (see below)
UNABLE TO COMPREHEND
I repeat, "I am unable to comprehend why some body would want to play even money bets especially on a double-zero roulette wheel when they can learn to play 'Jack's Positional Roulette' for a lot less risk and have a chance to win big money. "---Even Money Part 4
Here is the bet selection chart as promised. It is only for the European
wheel I don't play American if I can help it. ;D
Quote from: A3on on Sep 04, 10:41 PM 2010
But the Square Roulette doesn't involve C and CC, or does it?
It's like Drogan said...............and i had to re-read the damn thing to confirm that.
"Square Ro-let is the name of the "system", the website, the little card, and the whole idea of the book. But the actual method of play is Jack's Positional Roulette. That is where you choose the 4 numbers C or CC on the chart. "
Basically, with the 38 numbers he is showing that certain numbers have better probabilities than other numbers. That's all it is. So never mind the tracking of the 38 numbers, although, i'm sure the idea can be made into a system.
As for what side (C & CC) to play, he says at one point:
"after every spin you will continually be playing four out of nine positions. Other than that you can forget about when to play C or CC positions or high or low positions or playing four positions adjacent to each other.
So without reference to previous positional hits, you can without rime or reason just pick your four positions. You will find that the majority of time you will be a winner; and when you lose it will be cancelled by just one win."
Thanks for the help :)
Then, the only important part is from chapter 9 to chapter 15 (Jack positional roulette). That is the real method to play, right?
Afonso
@A3on
Yes. That is correct.
@albalaha
See below.
So I just played a test session at Dublinbet. Here are the results of 38 spins.
26
21
27 W
23 W
19
18 W
0
10
5
34
26
14
33
26
13 W
32
3
11
30
17
11 W
14
5
7
29
12
20
22
11
7
3
15
17 W
0
19
24
27
So as you can see. There were 6 wins out of 38 spins. (The book says the average is 5) So if you play this with a progression of 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 8 you would always come out ahead. If you played all 8 spots.
My theory of. . . if you play 8 spots instead of 4 didn't pan out so great.
So I went back and re-read the part of the book about C and CC. And here is what I get from that. . . . . When you are looking at the card, wherever the next number is you go to clockwise or counter-clockwise to that number and that is how you choose.
For instance. In the session above I spun 26. Then I spun 21. So from 26 to 21 is four red numbers over clockwise. If the number of spaces over is four or lower you choose a low position, and if the number of spaces over is five or higher you choose a high position. So since it is only four spaces clockwise we would choose LC(low and clockwise) So 21RLC is 25. 34. 27. 36. Next we spin 27. WIN!
So now we count the spaces from 21 to 27 and we see that it is three red spaces C, we would choose 27LC which is 36. 30. 23. 5 Next we spin 23. WIN!
So now we count the spaces from 27 to 23 and we see that it is three red spaces C, so we would choose 23LC which is 5. 16. 1. 14 Next we spin 19. Lose.
So now we count the spaces from 23 to 19 and we see that it is seven red spaces counter-clockwise, so we would choose 19HCC which is 7. 18. 9. 14 Next we spin 18. WIN!
And so on. . . .
He says in the book that the reason he stays with one direction for more than 20 times sometimes is because he follows the trend of the table. So he deviates from the system according to the trend. (Umm. . . it's HIS system. He can do that. )
So in conclusion. . . . I would suggest not playing all 8 numbers and only play the 4 C or CC numbers that the system calls for. It will be more profitable.
I would also suggest using this system as a hit and run technique. Track a couple of spins, place the bets until you win and then walk away. Come back after a few minutes and do it again. I would not suggest playing 38 spins at a time. You will more than likely be only slightly ahead by the end.
The progression for playing 4 spots with one unit is 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 2. 3. 3. 3. 4. 4. 5. 5. 6
That is a 20 spin progression. If you don't win after 20 spins. You are simply doing something wrong. Go back and re-read the book.
Last but not least, I have revised the betting chart to make it all inclusive. I have included in Square Ro-let Wheel, and I have divided the C and CC bets to make it easier on all of us.
Enjoy!
D
Check out my system i posted here, "4-5 number system" (just so to compare notes)
It's basically almost like Jacks' system, except that the sectors you pick your numbers are chosen a bit differently (i might change that after i check Jack's system).
I use this progression:
10 step 4-number progression: 1,1,1,1ââ,¬â€œ2,2,2,2ââ,¬â€œ3,3
Bet/Units------------Investment-----------------Net Profit if win
1----------------------------4--------------------------------32
1----------------------------8--------------------------------28
1----------------------------12------------------------------24
1----------------------------16------------------------------20
2----------------------------24------------------------------48
2----------------------------32------------------------------40
2----------------------------40------------------------------32
2----------------------------48------------------------------24
3----------------------------60------------------------------48
3----------------------------72------------------------------36
Reach the 10th bet with no win, restart the progression all over again. Restart progression at any time you have a win.
You'll need about 80 units to play a 10 spin session
Hi Drogan
Isn't the system suppose to be flat betting?
Technically. I think it is.
But a progression always gives you a better shot at winning.
Look at the session above. The last win would have taken me 11 spins
to get a win. So technically it would be a loss. That is why I added the progression.
With the progression even if it takes you 20 spins to get a win. You will still
be up 1 unit at the end. ;D
D
I agree Drogan! Ken
Hey Carsch.
You are right. The 4-5 System is very similar to the Kennedy system.
When you win the profit is AMAZING!
Your session was from five years ago. Are you still playing this way?
Then if you want to use a progression, better make one able to support 33 loosing spins (as the system gets 5 wins in 38 spins), then if the wins come in the last spins you will be able to win :)
Just joking mate
For being honest I'm not a big fan of progressions :s
Quote from: Drogan on Sep 05, 07:25 PM 2010
Hey Carsch.
You are right. The 4-5 System is very similar to the Kennedy system.
When you win the profit is AMAZING!
Your session was from five years ago. Are you still playing this way?
Oh no. That was just one of the many systems and methods of play i was messing with at the time. And the funny thing is that i played many of my systems but this one. But reading Jacks' book and after seeing his method of play, i am now gonna give this more consideration. I'll try your progression too. Seems interesting.
So is anyone actually testing Jack's positional roulette method.
I have just began and my initial results have been astonishing,its blown any other system I have tried(and their have been a few ;D) out of the water .
First try over at Dublin bet,now remember you need to 5 hits in 37 spins to make a profit,I won 4 out of the first 5 spins!!!
Second go won 3 out of the first 13 spins,next go lost my first 11 spins then won 3 out of the next 6 spins.
I'm hitting way above the expected strike-rate.Jack said he used to average 7-8 hits in 37 spins,and which gave him nearly 20% advantage over the house and I'm definetly matching or exceeding that so far ;D
Who needs a job hey ;D
Early days yet ,but wow so far.
From now on I will post all my results in this thread.
So come on everyone else get testing and post your results :D
I know Moles. It's simply AMAZING! Been playing this system all weekend!
UNBELIEVABLE! This has been around for 12 years!?!
You have got to be kidding me.
I can't believe this thread isn't getting more traffic than the four or five people that have already posted.
People if you are like me and have been looking for a winning method for the last ?? years... then look no further you have found it!
D
I tried to follow his book and system ten years ago. It seemed like it ended up that it was kind of arbitrary what to bet on next or which way to move around the card. I ended up getting a headache and giving up on the whole thing. So it has been a long time since I studied and tried this. It's nice to see it resurrected by people who seem to follow it better than I guess I did. Is it possible that you guys that seem to have a handle on it explain how to play the system in simple terms for us dummies? You know like "Jack's Positional Square Rolet for Dummies"? I'm not even sure how to utilize the C and CC chart at this point in time. Maybe I am getting stupider as I get older or just lost my patience with these things. Anyway a clear explanation of how to play the system would be much appreciated. Sorry if it's already been explained in this thread and I am not quite getting it. Maybe it has been explained but not entirely from beginning to end? And what is the rationale, if any, to the system? Ok thanks for any help.
Sure Red. I'll help you out.
I can't do it right now because I am at work. But I will post a Readers Digest version when I get home this afternoon.
great, thank you, looking forward to it!
Quote from: Red Nickels on Sep 07, 11:57 AM 2010
I tried to follow his book and system ten years ago. It seemed like it ended up that it was kind of arbitrary what to bet on next or which way to move around the card. I ended up getting a headache and giving up on the whole thing.
Ditto.
Great thread! Interesting take of the boring reading of Jack's system.
Drogan could be it also Dragan? Excellent post from you and others. I have it for years somewhere but now I have to reread it again. I will make a strong coffee not to fall a sleep.
Cheers Hermes
Cant believe this system has been around for so long-I have never heard of it before,for those struggling to understand how to play just follow what Jack says in chapter 9 and play the basics of the system
BASICS OF "JACK'S POSITIONAL ROULETTE"
If you are a loser you can cut your losses to a minimum by not playing the last number hit; playing the 38 or 37 numbers only straight up; not playing red and black (or odd and even or high and low) at the same time (remember you outright lose 50% of your bets that way); by not playing more than four numbers at a time; and playing either "Same as Last" or "Different than Last" spin or "Previous Then Last-Same" or "Previous Than Last-Different." according to which category you are playing. Using the basics you always must play your four units either clockwise (C) or counter-clockwise (CC); thus after every spin you will continually be playing four out of nine positions. Other than that you can forget about when to play C or CC positions or high or low positions or playing four positions adjacent to each other. So without reference to previous positional hits, you can without rime or reason just pick your four positions. You will find that the majority of time you will be a winner; and when you lose it will be cancelled by just one win."
I thought you guys might of been interested in this. Like I said, its not a bad method. Ken
Ok. For Alfonso, Red Nickels and whoever else is interested. Here is the condensed version of Jack's Positional Roulette.
There are three things that you have to remember.
Black and Red. You will count black spaces when a black number is spun, and you will count red spaces when a red number is spun.
Clockwise and Counter-clockwise. You will count the number of spaces clockwise or counter-clockwise. You will only count up to 9. If the count is higher than 9 go the other way. Occasionally, you will see numbers exactly 10 spaces apart. You can bet on both the C and the CC numbers. But personally when that happens I don't bet.
High and Low. You will count 1-4 spaces and this is a LOW position. Or you will count 5-9 spaces and this will be a HIGH position.
So you look at the last spun number. Let's use the session that I posted a couple of days ago. The first number is 26. Keep in mind this is on the European wheel. I didn't do a chart for the American Wheel.
So the first is 26. You find 26 on the Ro-let Square. Next spin is 21 RED. So you count the red spaces in between 26 and 21 and you find that there are four. Four spaces equals a LOW position. Also, R21 is clockwise from 26. So your number will be 21RCL. Now you look at the four RED numbers following 21. You will see that they are 25,34,27, and 36.
These are the numbers that you will place your bets on. 1 unit per number.
The next number spun is 27. WIN! 27 is RED. So now you count the spaces from 21R to 27R. You will see that there are three spaces clockwise(C). So once again your position is LOW. So now you count the next four RED numbers following 27. Clockwise.
You will see that the numbers are 36,30,23, and 5. So you will place 1 unit on each of these numbers and wait for the spin.
The next number spun is 23. Win again! 23 is RED again. So now you count the spaces from 27R to 23R. You will see that there are three spaces clockwise(C). So once again your position is LOW. So you count the next four RED numbers following 23. Clockwise.
You will see that the numbers are 5,16,1,14. So you will place 1 unit on each of these numbers and wait for the spin.
The next number spun is 19. Lose. 19 is RED again. So now you count the spaces from 23R to 19R. You will see that there are seven spaces counter-clockwise(CC). So your position is HIGH(1-4 is LOW, 5-9 is HIGH). So you count the spaces counter-clockwise from 19 starting at space number 5(because we are in a HIGH position)
So skip the first four numbers from 19 and you will find the next four are 7,18,9,and 14. So you will place 1 unit on each of these numbers and wait for the spin.
The next number spun is 18. Win again. 18 is RED again. So now you count the the spaces from 19R to 18R. You will see that there six spaces counter-clockwise(CC). So once again your position is HIGH. So you count the spaces CC from 18 starting with space number 5.
So skip the first four numbers from 18 and you will find that the next four are 5,23,30, and 36. So you will place 1 unit on each of these number and wait for the spin.
The next number spun is 0. Lose.
And so on.......
Now all the counting is not necessary because I have created a chart with all the C and CC numbers already mapped out. All you have to do is determine whether you are in a low position or a high position and bet accordingly.
I hope this helps. If not, just ask any questions you have.
I wonder if there is someone out there that is good at coding or maybe even excel that could make a program that could help us with all the mapping. Maybe something that we could put in the last two numbers and it would automatically know if we need to bet C or CC and it would tell us which numbers. Whew! That would be great!
Anybody out there good at stuff like that? Bayes? lol
@Hermes
No sir. I don't know who Dragan is. I have always been Drogan. With an O. Dragan is someone else.
The betting chart is attached. :thumbsup:
Moles, are you just flatbetting or are you using a progression?
Thank you Drogan, I will certainly mull that over. Jack Kennedy... re-visited...
In the end, this subject will die out, they ALL do. Ken
MrJ is right, even when you put here Hog Gail method system it would die after while. Chasing systems is mental exercise to get out of the boring world. Very few people will profit from a good systems, sometimes even the creator don't use it. The same situation is in Forex world. People chase systems and robots just to forget them soon and chase a new one on the sky. Never satisfied with results. I try to get rid of those habits by alternating the games like craps, roulette, baccarat and SicBo that it is not boring. Another help is to have a same sinned partner to let the fire burn.
I stopped to play BJ after el. shuffling machines took the place.
Hermes
Quote from: Drogan on Sep 07, 08:10 PM 2010
So the first is 26. You find 26 on the Ro-let Square. Next spin is 21 RED. So you count the red spaces in between 26 and 21 and you find that there are four.
................. huh? I see three red spaces in between the 26 and the 21-- the 0, the 32, and the 19.
I guess you mean number of red spaces 21 is "from" 26, not "in between"... ok I'll keep studying...
low positions, high positions, clockwise, counter clockwise, oh I am getting a headache again.... I know this is asking a lot but is there any chance Drogan when you have the time that you could create a chart for a double zeroe wheel? I have a lot of real 00 spins and then I could see if I am doing it right or how you would have done it and also we could see if it wins on my spins....
Quote from: albalaha on Sep 07, 11:44 PM 2010
I think the purpose of thread completed. People should not use meaningful thread for out of topic chat sort of things.
no way we are still working this baby out and I don't see much out of topic here in this thread....
hmmm, I'm not sure about all this loopin around the wheel card left and right etc and if there is a good rationale behind all that but I can see some rationale and positive results as per my recent testing of real spin data for using the very simple system of tracking the last 38 spins (on an 00 wheel) and if last spin was black bet all the black nos (including the repeats) that hit within the last 38 and if last spin was red bet all the red nos (including the repeats) that hit within the last 38 and continue to do this every spin (till you can't deal with it anymore because it's not easy to do), keeping a rolling window of the last 38. The rationale: because you will win half your bets as far as the black or red goes, which would normally be a wash and the house edge will prevail, but you will always be betting less than 18 red or black nos (also I include 0 as a red number and 00 as a black number) so you win more than you lose, and the red or black nos which have hit in the last 38 spin cycle seem to have a high likelihood of hitting again. seems to be showing good results as per my testing, but difficult to actually implement, but can be done.
Hi Grogan,
Nice chart...Butttttt...It's for a European wheel, right? I like the basic concept of this method but I must be dumber than rocks because I just don't grasp some parts of it like the High and Low.
I like your idea of someone making a program that will give us the betting info without having to do all of the calculations....ANYONE WILLING TO DO IT for both 0 and 00 wheels? There would be a lot of people that would be deeply indebited to you if you will do it...AND I'd be willing to bet there would be a lot more testing results shown here on this thread.
Scooby Doo
Thanks Drogan for the detailed explanation and chart. Like I said, I investigated this a few years ago when there was a big buzz around it, but no-one seemed clear on the 'correct' way of playing it.
I don't often write code to test systems, UNLESS it's something which grabs my attention and/or seems to be doing well. The problem is that you almost never get a consistent positive response, because those who are doing well tend to keep quiet (which can often be a good indicator), or they might even trash it even if they ARE doing well with it. :D
But this is going on my 'to-do' list - definitely. If I get some good results from a manual test (by that I mean 'statistically' significant) then I'll code it.
Maybe some of the other coders around will beat me to it. :)
Ok. Clockwise and Counter-Clockwise. High and Low.
That is what is throwing everyone off? Let me see if I can simplify this for you.
Suppose you spun a 23R. The next number spun is 5R. On the Square Ro-let Wheel you can see that 5 is one RED space over from 23 in a clockwise motion.
Now let's look at the number 5 for a moment.
There are eight numbers clockwise from 5. These are 16,1,14,9,18,7,12 and 3.
Since 5 is only 1 number away from 23 you would choose a LOW position. The first four numbers are LOW(16,1,14,9) And the last four numbers are HIGH(18,7,12,3)
You would place your 1 unit bet on the four numbers in the LOW position for the next spin.
Conversely, if the first number was 16R and the next number spun was 5R you can see that 5R is one RED space from 16R in a counter-clockwise motion.
There are eight numbers counter-clockwisse from 5. These are 23,30,36,27,34,25 and 21.
Since 5R is only one space from 16R you would choose a LOW position. The first four numbers are LOW(23,30,36,27) And the last four numbers are a HIGH position(34,26,21,19)
You would place your 1 unit bet on the four numbers in the LOW position for the next spin.
Does that explain it any better?
D
I read the book and fro what I read Drogan has posted the same as I understand. Except I thought it told us to use the last 38 spins to identify the sleeping #'s. This making it so we do not place bets on them. Are there 2 differant systems here or am I just confused?
Thanks
Phishalot
Quote from: Drogan on Sep 08, 06:18 AM 2010
Ok. Clockwise and Counter-Clockwise. High and Low.
That is what is throwing everyone off? Let me see if I can simplify this for you.
Suppose you spun a 23R. The next number spun is 5R. On the Square Ro-let Wheel you can see that 5 is one RED space over from 23 in a clockwise motion.
Now let's look at the number 5 for a moment.
There are eight numbers clockwise from 5. These are 16,1,14,9,18,7,12 and 3.
Since 5 is only 1 number away from 23 you would choose a LOW position. The first four numbers are LOW(16,1,14,9) And the last four numbers are HIGH(18,7,12,3)
You would place your 1 unit bet on the four numbers in the LOW position for the next spin.
Conversely, if the first number was 16R and the next number spun was 5R you can see that 5R is one RED space from 16R in a counter-clockwise motion.
There are eight numbers counter-clockwisse from 5. These are 23,30,36,27,34,25 and 21.
Since 5R is only one space from 16R you would choose a LOW position. The first four numbers are LOW(23,30,36,27) And the last four numbers are a HIGH position(34,26,21,19)
25
You would place your 1 unit bet on the four numbers in the LOW position for the next spin.
Does that explain it any better?
D
does anyone want to check out/test my holy grail? -- see reply 52 this thread.
Drogan-- I really appreciate your efforts to explain this system and I am going to study it (again) and test it on my spins, but I am wondering before/while spending a lot of time with this, can you explain what you perceive to be the rationale behind this system and the various moves we are going to make around the wheel and numbers we are picking to bet on? I like to have some sense of what the rationale is behind a strategy, so I can have a little faith in the system and why it may work, if I am going to play it. ofcouse if it works and I don't understand why that's ok too... if it works... Thank you!
@
DroganThanks for the explanation, it's was clear and easy to understand.
I read it in 5 minutes, tested your spins, and my results were exactly like yours :)
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Red NickelsI don't understand your doubt, I think Drogan explanation was great.
Can you be more precise in your doubts?
Quote from: Phishalot on Sep 08, 07:08 AM 2010
I read the book and fro what I read Drogan has posted the same as I understand. Except I thought it told us to use the last 38 spins to identify the sleeping #'s. This making it so we do not place bets on them. Are there 2 differant systems here or am I just confused?
Thanks
Phishalot
I had the same question before.
It looks like the system you're talking is
Square Ro-Let System (From chapter 1 to chapter 9)
The one Drogan explained is
Jack's Positional Roulette System (From chapter 9 to chapter 15)
Best regards,
Afonso
@Drogan
I tested it with this spins link:://web.archive.org/web/20021220150551/:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterFourteen.html (link:://web.archive.org/web/20021220150551/:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterFourteen.html)
And good very different results.
I charted C/CC and High/Low well, exactly like the link I posted above.
But my bets are all differents.
Are you sure your bet chart is correct?
ok lets see if i got this right
numbers are
8
29
10
28
26
24
10
32
0
31
23
8 is 7 black spaces from 29 so we would bet high clockwise 4-2-17-6 is this correct?
10 comes so i guess thats a loser so we count 6 spaces from 29 to reach black which went anti clockwise so we would bet high anti clockwise 17-2-4-15
28 came so thats a loss and is 7 spaces away from black so we would bet high clockwise
2-17-6-13
26 came so thats a loss and is 2 spaces clockwise
so now we would bet low clockwise 15-4-2-17
24 came so thats a loss and is 8 spaces anti clockwise so we would bet high anti clockwise
6-17-2-4
is this correct or have i done something wrong?
also what happens when 0 comes out or a repeat of the same number
thanks
Quote from: Red Nickels on Sep 08, 12:54 AM 2010
and if last spin was black bet all the black nos (including the repeats) that hit within the last 38 and if last spin was red bet all the red nos (including the repeats) that hit within the last 38 and continue to do this every spin (till you can't deal with it anymore because it's not easy to do), keeping a rolling window of the last 38.
Red, it's easier if you keep track of the no-shows. It's less numbers to deal with, mostly if you're at a land-based casino, and with that you'll still know what the last 38 numbers are without having to keep track of them.
Quote from: Red Nickels on Sep 08, 12:54 AM 2010
no way we are still working this baby out and I don't see much out of topic here in this thread....
hmmm, I'm not sure about all this loopin around the wheel card left and right etc and if there is a good rationale behind all that but I can see some rationale and positive results as per my recent testing of real spin data for using the very simple system of tracking the last 38 spins (on an 00 wheel) and if last spin was black bet all the black nos (including the repeats) that hit within the last 38 and if last spin was red bet all the red nos (including the repeats) that hit within the last 38 and continue to do this every spin (till you can't deal with it anymore because it's not easy to do), keeping a rolling window of the last 38. The rationale: because you will win half your bets as far as the black or red goes, which would normally be a wash and the house edge will prevail, but you will always be betting less than 18 red or black nos (also I include 0 as a red number and 00 as a black number) so you win more than you lose, and the red or black nos which have hit in the last 38 spin cycle seem to have a high likelihood of hitting again. seems to be showing good results as per my testing, but difficult to actually implement, but can be done.
Thats kind of Albalaha contributing.....competition threat.
He is getting without customers in his EXCLUSIVE section....so please
end this thread.
Stacks
First track the first 16 spins and from there play the unit colors ,like you explained. In general there are 14 no hit numbers in 36 spins.
BINOMIAL DISTRIBUTION
SPIN1-13APP.10-11 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
SPIN14-25APP.8 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
SPIN26-36APP.6 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
SPIN36-50APP.4 -5 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
T0TAL AFTER 37 SPINS 24-25 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
T0TAL AFTER 50 SPINS 28-30 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
Regards
MAX
Quote from: MAX on Sep 08, 12:20 PM 2010
Stacks
First track the first 16 spins and from there play the unit colors ,like you explained. In general there are 14 no hit numbers in 36 spins.
BINOMIAL DISTRIBUTION
SPIN1-13APP.10-11 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
SPIN14-25APP.8 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
SPIN26-36APP.6 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
SPIN36-50APP.4 -5 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
T0TAL AFTER 37 SPINS 24-25 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
T0TAL AFTER 50 SPINS 28-30 UNHIT NUMBERS APPEAR
Regards
MAX
Max you're talking about
Square Ro-Let System (From chapter 1 to chapter 9)
Stack thread was about
Jack's Positional Roulette System (From chapter 9 to chapter 15)
This is getting very confused
:s
Regards,
Afonso
Hi Afonso
I thought it is two different ways but are combined together to make it better and played as one ???
Thanks i will read it again ;)
Regards
Max
Drogan, whose is the double cross? Belongs it to Finland or Norway?
Cheers Hermes
Drogan, check your chart. You have C & CC mixed up on these lines
1RL C-16.5.23.30 CC-14.9.18.7
1RH C-36.27.34.25 CC-12.3.0.32
Quote from: MAX on Sep 08, 12:41 PM 2010
Hi Afonso
I thought it is two different ways but are combined together to make it better and played as one ???
Thanks I will read it again ;)
Regards
Max
There is only one system. I too was confused at first. The 38 number charting is a different thing. Jack used it only to show number appearance probabilities. He mixed everything up. No wonder people can't understand. Just never mind the 38 number charting. He doesn't use them for his system. Follow what Drogan is posting.
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 08, 01:04 PM 2010
There is only one system. I too was confused at first. The 38 number charting is a different thing. Jack used it only to show number appearance probabilities. He mixed everything up. No wonder people can't understand. Just never mind the 38 number charting. He doesn't use them for his system. Follow what Drogan is posting.
:)
Regards
Max
As Carsch said, only after nine chapter is the real system :thumbsup:
Btw Carsch, do you know how to play this system?
I was thinking I had figure out everything, as I played like Drogan explained got the same results as him in his spins.
But after that I went to the 76 spin test on the website, and my bets were different from the ones there :s
I can't get what happen, maybe drogan sheet is wrong
Best regards,
Afonso
Quote from: A3on on Sep 08, 01:23 PM 2010
As Carsch said, only after nine chapter is the real system :thumbsup:
by the way Carsch, do you know how to play this system?
I assume i know............well, a few things aren't quite clear yet since i'm finding some discrepancies in the example Jack shows on chapter 14 (or it's just me that is missing something). I will investigate more and report. But then, it seems that Drogan has it right.
I hope Drogan is right
I don't get how he got the bets on the 76 spins test :S
Quote from: A3on on Sep 08, 02:27 PM 2010
I hope Drogan is right
I don't get how he got the bets on the 76 spins test :S
--A3on,
Have played this method when was actual few years back,
and I see that all of you are bit confused how to exactly play this.
This doesn't have to be strictly play as suggested,as he also explains
that one don't have to play necesary requested low or high numbers...
can also mix it among these,but always 4 numbers,depending on
previous spins situation.Thats how I play it until found a better method
Good luck.
Jack made me think that it is possible to keep your winning system for yourself by making it into a puzzle that anyone who would attempt to decipher it would just give up with massive headaches and dizziness. Not a bad idea. ;D
Unless you want to share it with your close friends, you'd then have to personally show them how to play it. LOL
Now, i'm thinking - drug companies must love people like Jack. Well, i've had a few headaches trying to understand his book. ;D
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 08, 02:47 PM 2010
Now, i'm thinking - drug companies must love people like Jack. Well, i've had a few headaches trying to understand his book. ;D
And did you smoke some joints after that?
Ahah
:P
Quote from: A3on on Sep 08, 02:27 PM 2010
I hope Drogan is right
I don't get how he got the bets on the 76 spins test :S
I hope this helps:
From chapter 13
QuotePICKING Choice number two (to be used when playing series "B" spins) is starting your count from the last number hit, you will play either clockwise or counter-clockwise positions 2, 3, 4, and 5, (low positions) and positions 6, 7, 8, and 9 (high positions). You ignore positions #1 both clockwise and counter-clockwise.
Meaning that with series B, on the Low Position you don't go 1,2,3,4............but you go 2,3,4,5. Same with the High Position.
As I said earlier. I did not get the 38 spins thing either. But I did get the actual method that he was trying to write about.
As far as the 76 spins in Chapter 14 go....I think Jack was playing HIS system HIS way. I am not sure we are supposed to understand it.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 08, 02:35 PM 2010
Have played this method when was actual few years back,
and I see that all of you are bit confused how to exactly play this.
This doesn't have to be strictly play as suggested,as he also explains
that one don't have to play necessary requested low or high numbers...
can also mix it among these,but always 4 numbers,depending on
previous spins situation.that's how I play it until found a better method
Good luck.
I was trying to adhere to the rules as strict as possible in my explanations. But once you get the system down you can change it at your leisure. If it wins more power to you.
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 08, 12:58 PM 2010
Drogan, check your chart. You have C & CC mixed up on these lines
1RL C-16.5.23.30 CC-14.9.18.7
1RH C-36.27.34.25 CC-12.3.0.32
Thanks Carsch for pointing out the error. I have made the changes below.
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 08, 03:10 PM 2010
I hope this helps:
From chapter 13
Meaning that with series B, on the Low Position you don't go 1,2,3,4............but you go 2,3,4,5. Same with the High Position.
Well that explains alot! I did not even realize that.
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 08, 02:47 PM 2010
Jack made me think that it is possible to keep your winning system for yourself by making it into a puzzle that anyone who would attempt to decipher it would just give up with massive headaches and dizziness. Not a bad idea. ;D
And therein lies the genius of Jack Kennedy. 8)
Quote from: Drogan on Sep 08, 03:21 PM 2010
And therein lies the genius of Jack Kennedy. 8)
Indeed! LOL ;D
Hello Drogan
So after what Carsch said:
"I hope this helps:
From chapter 13
Meaning that with series B, on the Low Position you don't go 1,2,3,4............but you go 2,3,4,5. Same with the High Position."
You will play in a different way, or still stick to the way you explained us?
Regards,
Afonso
Hi Afonso,
I would say try both ways and do what works best for YOU!
Drogan,
Sorry I was so slow with this. While I was doing it, these other posts appeared.
______________________________________________________________
Sent by Carsch on Today at 10:58:55 am
Drogan, check your chart. You have C & CC mixed up on these lines
1RL C-16.5.23.30 CC-14.9.18.7
1RH C-36.27.34.25 CC-12.3.0.32
Thanks Carsch for pointing out the error. I have made the changes below.
__________________________________________________________________
As well as the above:
5RH C and CC values are reversed
12RL CC should be 7,18,9,14
24BL 22 should be moved from CC to C
24BH C and CC values are reversed.
I thinks that's all.
By the way, thanks for the file. It makes things so much easier.
Michael
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 08, 11:00 AM 2010
Ok lets see if I got this right
numbers are
8
29
10
28
26
24
10
32
0
31
23
8 is 7 black spaces from 29 so we would bet high clockwise 4-2-17-6 is this correct?
10 comes so I guess that's a loser so we count 6 spaces from 29 to reach black which went anti clockwise so we would bet high anti clockwise 17-2-4-15
28 came so that's a loss and is 7 spaces away from black so we would bet high clockwise
2-17-6-13
26 came so that's a loss and is 2 spaces clockwise
so now we would bet low clockwise 15-4-2-17
24 came so that's a loss and is 8 spaces anti clockwise so we would bet high anti clockwise
6-17-2-4
is this correct or have I done something wrong?
also what happens when 0 comes out or a repeat of the same number
thanks
Stackbundles,
You've got the right idea, except for the zero. Zero is both black and red.
Dowmload Drogan's file. It will be clearer. Plus he has all the number combinations listed.
In your example, these are the corrections:
8 then 29, bet 15,4,2,17
10 then 28, bet 4,2,17,6
28 then 26, bet 0,15,4,2
These are the moves where the zero comes into play. You have the rest correct.
When a zero comes up, you bet by the same rules. See Drogan's file.
If zero repeats, I would tend to repeat the bet.
This is according to Drogan's interpretation. But now there is the suggestion that numbers 2,3,4,5 be played rather than 1,2,3,4 , so we'll see how it plays out.
Michael
@Mikeo
I already talked to Stack and said him the same thing
He did everything correct except the bet selection.
With Drogans sheet I think he have everything to play it correctly :thumbsup:
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 08, 12:18 PM 2010
that's kind of Albalaha contributing.....competition threat.
He is getting without customers in his EXCLUSIVE section....so please
end this thread.
............ I don't even know what that means and I have never seen or read Albalaha's section (but maybe I should check it out) (above was written below my quoted post describing related system I suggested that seems to be working on my test spins).........
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 08, 11:06 AM 2010
Red, it's easier if you keep track of the no-shows. It's less numbers to deal with, mostly if you're at a land-based casino, and with that you'll still know what the last 38 numbers are without having to keep track of them.
......... thank you for the suggestion Carsch.
Quote from: A3on on Sep 08, 10:25 AM 2010
@Red NickelsI don't understand your doubt, I think Drogan explanation was great.
Can you be more precise in your doubts?
I have no doubts that I can follow the system correctly since it has been explained so well in this thread. I am just asking what is the rationale, the LOGIC behind this system? If that can be explained, that would be good... if it can't, well, if the system seems to work for whatever reasons, that's cool too.
Quote from: Mikeo on Sep 08, 04:10 PM 2010
As well as the above:
5RH C and CC values are reversed
12RL CC should be 7,18,9,14
24BL 22 should be moved from CC to C
24BH C and CC values are reversed.
I thinks that's all.
By the way, thanks for the file. It makes things so much easier.
Michael
Thanks Mike. I have made the necessary changes. Please let me know if you find anymore.
It wasn't meant regarding your post--about Albalaha-but post before you.
has nobody got any results they can post up of what they have found out so far?
Red,
I am not sure of the rationale of this system. I am sure that in his own way Jack tries to explain it somewhere in the book, but without re-reading it I am not sure where.
Anyone else want to have a go at this question?
D
First Test:
Spins: 38
Spins Played: 33 (First and last spins aren't played, as first don't have bet selection yet and last don't have no number next to play, and 3 spins were no bet [repeat or 10 count])
Wins: 4
Profit: +12
Quote from: Drogan on Sep 08, 05:23 PM 2010
Red,
I am not sure of the rationale of this system. I am sure that in his own way Jack tries to explain it somewhere in the book, but without re-reading it I am not sure where.
Anyone else want to have a go at this question?
D
.......... that's cool, he does go on and on and on and you're right, there must be a method to the madness there that probably only he can follow anyway.
Weisbaden July 1, 2010 table 3
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
2,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
3,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-4,1 : 5,23,30,36
4,3,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-8,1 : 22,28,29,35
5,4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-12,1 : 25,27,34,36
6,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-16,1 : 2,6,13,17
7,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-20,1 : 27,30,34,36
8,23,Bet,4,36,-4,32,12,1 : 5,16,23,30
9,32,Bet,4,36,-4,32,44,1 : 19,21,25,32
10,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,40,1 : 1,9,14,18
11,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,36,1 : 6,8,11,13
12,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,32,1 : 3,7,12,0
13,2,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,28,1 : 5,23,30,36
14,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,24,1 : 8,10,24,33
15,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,20,1 : 3,7,12,0
16,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,16,1 : 20,22,29,31
17,22,Bet,4,36,-4,32,48,1 : 20,22,29,31
18,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,44,1 : 20,24,31,33
19,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,40,1 : 3,7,12,0
20,15,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,36,1 : 23,27,30,36
21,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,32,1 : 2,4,6,17
22,4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,28,1 : 20,22,31,33
23,15,Bet,4,36,-4,32,60,1 : 15,26,35,0
24,33,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,56,1 : 26,28,35,0
25,17,Bet,4,36,-4,32,88,1 : 2,6,13,17
26,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,84,1 : 26,28,29,35
27,1,Bet,4,36,-4,32,116,1 : 1,5,16,23
28,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,112,1 : 25,27,34,36
29,1,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,108,1 : 3,7,12,0
30,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,104,1 : 5,16,23,30
31,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,100,1 : 3,7,12,0
32,19,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,96,1 : 3,7,12,0
33,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,92,1 : 5,23,30,36
34,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,88,1 : 20,22,29,31
35,4,Bet,4,36,-4,32,120,1 : 2,4,15,17
36,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,116,1 : 15,26,35,0
37,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,112,1 : 5,23,30,36
38,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,108,1 : 10,20,24,33
[/table]
6 Wins +108
8)
Pretty cool huh?
8)
Good results over there Mikeo :)
Tomorrow I will make a test session with your spins
Just to see if I get the same bets and results, I want to be sure I'm doing everything right ^^
Best regards,
Afonso
Weisbaden July 1, 2010 table 4
[table=.]
Spin.Number.Type.Bet Unit.Win.Loss.Net.Unit Bal..Bet Layout
1.23.No Bet.0.0.0.0.0.
2.13.No Bet.0.0.0.0.0.
3.17.Bet.4.36.-4.32.32.1 : 2.4.6.17
4.12.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.28.1 : 2.4.15.0
5.32.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.24.1 : 1.5.16.23
6.11.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.20.1 : 19.21.25.34
7.33.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.16.1 : 20.22.29.31
8.26.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.12.1 : 20.22.29.31
9.36.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.8.1 : 6.11.13.17
10.14.Bet.4.36.-4.32.40.1 : 1.9.14.18
11.14.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.36.1 : 3.19.32.0
12.3.Bet.4.36.-4.32.68.1 : 3.19.32.0
13.23.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.64.1 : 25.27.34.36
14.9.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.60.1 : 19.21.25.32
15.29.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.56.1 : 19.21.32.0
16.8.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.52.1 : 26.28.35.0
17.3.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.48.1 : 2.4.15.0
18.9.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.44.1 : 1.5.14.16
19.15.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.40.1 : 1.5.14.16
20.29.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.36.1 : 8.10.11.13
21.23.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.32.1 : 8.10.11.24
22.15.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.28.1 : 19.21.25.32
23.23.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.24.1 : 20.22.29.31
24.32.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.20.1 : 7.9.12.18
25.19.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.16.1 : 1.9.14.18
26.16.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.12.1 : 21.25.27.34
27.31.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.8.1 : 3.7.12.0
28.14.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.4.1 : 22.28.29.35
29.17.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.0.1 : 1.5.16.23
30.33.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-4.1 : 26.28.29.35
31.13.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-8.1 : 26.28.35.0
32.21.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-12.1 : 15.26.35.0
33.2.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-16.1 : 3.19.32.0
34.10.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-20.1 : 6.11.13.17
35.21.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-24.1 : 22.28.29.35
36.10.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-28.1 : 7.9.12.18
37.34.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-32.1 : 22.28.29.35
38.32.Bet.4.0.-4.-4.-36.1 : 3.7.12.0
[/table]
3 wins -36
Oh well. You won't win them all.
Actually, I'm just running the 38 spins for testing purposes. With an average of 6 wins expected in 38 spins, I might consider quitting after 3 wins. Maybe a safer bet. Maybe not. More testing needed.
Hi all, this is the reason Jack explained why his system win, how do you think??
A BASIC ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU WIN
What are we doing when we are playing single-zero Positional Ro-let? Suppose your last hit was red 9. On your single zero roulette card place a paperclip on red 9. Now play counter-clockwise positions 1, 2, 3, and 4, which are red 14, 1, 16, and 5. When you incorporate the black numbers between them and on each end, you have B31, R14, B20, R1, B33, R16, B24, R5, and B10, which is a string of nine numbers, which is about 1/4 of the roulette wheel. You are always playing 1/4 of the wheel to repeat the same color in the four positions you picked. Yes, there are only four red numbers compared to five black numbers in that position sector you picked, but it does not matter because if it hits any black number you have an outright loser, which is already incorporated into your 52% losing spins. Now during play you do not know how many of those four red numbers are no-shows; it can be one, two, three, or even four, but if it hits the same color again in that section of the wheel that you are playing, all four numbers are covered because most no-shows will hit in the next 37 or 38 spins
I just played 82 spins from Spielbank. However, I did play RB & EO at the same time for max profit. Just flat bets. The cool thing about playing 2 EC at the same time is that sometimes you'll get double wins, if that makes any difference. ::)
Net Profit: 282 units
At one point I went 25 spins with no hits.
How I was playing? Whatever came to mind, I just went along with it. Either CCH or CCL, or CL or CH. I figure that whichever way you go, you still have about the same chances as long as you vary your play. So, and maybe it doesn't really matter how you play it, which Jack pointed out somewhere in the book.
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 09, 08:40 AM 2010
I just played 82 spins from Spielbank. However, I did play RB & EO at the same time for max profit. Just flat bets. The cool thing about playing 2 EC at the same time is that sometimes you'll get double wins, if that makes any difference. ::)
Net Profit: 282 units
At one point I went 25 spins with no hits.
How I was playing? Whatever came to mind, I just went along with it. Either CCH or CCL, or CL or CH. I figure that whichever way you go, you still have about the same chances as long as you vary your play. So, and maybe it doesn't really matter how you play it, which Jack pointed out somewhere in the book.
Over 7 thousand in profit if you had been playing Ã,£$25 level stakes ;D
Impressive going,jack mentions that this is a flat betting method,although I remember reading somewhere in his writing he did occasionaly use a slight progression but only for a short while.
I think the explanation of how he actually plays his method could have been explained a bit better,he even admits this himself.
Playing random seems to work just as well,varying between the low positional numbers which are either 1234,or 2345 or the high positional numbers which are 5678 or 6789,either clockwise or counter clockwise.
I'm still a bit unsure how you play the zero exactly so I have been ignoring it unless it has hit twice in 15 spins then I play it for one spin along with either 3 red or black numbers either side.
Jack recommends you do this with any number that has hit twice in the last 15 spins,the only time you play the last number that has hit.
I still think you could use this method with Jacks other method" square roulette" where you only play the red or black numbers that have hit in the last 38 spins,so if for example 13 black numbers have hit in the last 37 spins you would play 4 numbers from the 13 that had hit.Its obviously an evolving situation which numbers have hit and not hit in the last 38 spins,and I think that's where Jack had problems with his square roulette method, as he was keen for someone to write a computer program to help out on which numbers were hot and cold over the short term.
Overall though" positional roulette " is by far one of the best methods I have come across .I just can't believe it has hardly been mentioned before in the various online roulette forums :)
i think im still abit confussed on this method i have gone the whole way of the progression that was mentioned up from Ã,£1 to Ã,£6 without getting a hit i know this is going to happen now and then just depends how often anyone else had a bad experiance?
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 09, 10:19 AM 2010
I think I'm still abit confussed on this method I have gone the whole way of the progression that was mentioned up from Ã,£1 to Ã,£6 without getting a hit I know this is going to happen now and then just depends how often anyone else had a bad experiance?
Personaly I think it's better play flat betting than with progression
I've been playing like drogan explained and I got like 25 spins with no hit, but suddenly you can have like 4 hits in 6 spins.
So for me, a progression would just ruin the beauty of this system
Quote from: moles40 on Sep 09, 09:51 AM 2010
Over 7 thousand in profit if you had been playing Ã,£$25 level stakes ;D
Yeah, but it would have been a bit scary once i was at -200 units.
QuoteImpressive going,jack mentions that this is a flat betting method,although I remember reading somewhere in his writing he did occasionaly use a slight progression but only for a short while.
Well, try playing the way i did, with 2 EC at the same time. YOu might not need a progression at all.
QuoteI still think you could use this method with Jacks other method" square roulette" where you only play the red or black numbers that have hit in the last 38 spins,so if for example 13 black numbers have hit in the last 37 spins you would play 4 numbers from the 13 that had hit.
I tried it...........well, only i was playing the 4 (RB) that hit last . But i'm sure one could come up with a better, different way to select those 4 numbers from the previous 38.
QuoteOverall though" positional roulette " is by far one of the best methods I have come across .I just can't believe it has hardly been mentioned before in the various online roulette forums :)
That's because people don't understand it. Can't blame them
I tried a variant of this method using the numbers as they show on the table layout. I did pretty good actually. A number hits, I go Up Low, then for the next spin, Up High, the next spin Down Low, then Down High. If last spin was 3, for example, and i'm going Down, I go backwards like this (looking at the table layout):
3 <-----last no hit.............Going RED Down Low............i start counting 1, 36, 34, 32........and I play those numbers.
Same thing if the last number was 34, for example, and I have to go up........then I go 36, 1, 3, 5. I hadn't been counting the zero(s).
can anyone design a database for this system so we know exactley what we are betting
so rules are correct id rather have it flat betting aswell i just havent got the time to create the database
I agree with Stackbundles. There must be someone on this thread that is willing to make a program so we dumb rocks can play (test) it as well. Plus, once we decide to play for real money, it would be really helpful when playing live wheel online.
Scooby Doo
I 3rd that opinion ! :thumbsup:
This was an interesting method to read...
But he does not seem to explain at all why to pick C or CC, and H or L, other than identifying some kind of trend, which is something pretty vague in my opinion...
My Best Regards
Next test in the series of live spins
I'm using Drogan's file, If the last spin was clockwise, I bet clockwise numbers, and if counter-clockwise bet the counter-clockwise numbers.
Weisbaden July 1/2010 table 8
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
2,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
3,35,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-4,1 : 10-24-30-33
4,20,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-8,1 : 2-6-13-17
5,13,Bet,4,36,-4,32,24,1 : 6-11-13-17
6,35,Bet,4,36,-4,32,56,1 : 15-26-35-0
7,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,52,1 : 10-20-24-33
8,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,48,1 : 1-9-14-16
9,16,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,44,1 : 2-4-6-17
10,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,40,1 : 1-9-14-18
11,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,36,1 : 8-10-11-13
12,1,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,32,1 : 21-25-27-34
13,0,Bet,4,36,-4,32,64,1 : 3-12-32-0
14,1,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,60,1 : 27-30-34-36
15,0,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,56,1 : 25-27-34-36
16,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,52,1 : 27-30-34-36
17,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,48,1 : 1-9-14-18
18,35,Bet,4,36,-4,32,80,1 : 15-26-35-0
19,26,Bet,4,36,-4,32,112,1 : 4-15-26-0
20,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,108,1 : 2-4-15-0
21,34,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,104,1 : 10-20-24-33
22,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,100,1 : 23-27-30-36
23,33,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,96,1 : 22-28-29-35
24,21,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,92,1 : 20-22-29-31
25,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,88,1 : 7-9-12-18
26,4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,84,1 : 3-7-12-0
27,6,Bet,4,36,-4,32,116,1 : 2-6-13-17
28,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,112,1 : 8-10-11-13
29,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,108,1 : 3-7-12-18
30,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,104,1 : 3-7-12-18
31,23,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,100,1 : 2-6-13-17
32,29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,96,1 : 1-5-14-16
33,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,92,1 : 26-28-35-0
34,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,88,1 : 1-9-14-16
35,23,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,84,1 : 19-21-25-32
36,32,Bet,4,36,-4,32,116,1 : 19-21-25-32
37,33,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,112,1 : 1-9-14-18
38,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,108,1 : 26-28-35-0
[/table]
7 wins +108
Weisbaden July 1/2010 table 9
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
2,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
3,33,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-4,1 : 27-30-34-36
4,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-8,1 : 26-28-35-0
5,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-12,1 : 15-26-35-0
6,33,Bet,4,36,-4,32,20,1 : 8-10-24-33
7,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,16,1 : 20-22-29-31
8,35,Bet,4,36,-4,32,48,1 : 15-26-35-0
9,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,44,1 : 10-20-24-33
10,22,Bet,4,36,-4,32,76,1 : 20-22-29-31
11,21,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,72,1 : 2-4-15-0
12,31,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,68,1 : 5-16-23-30
13,0,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,64,1 : 6-8-11-13
14,20,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,60,1 : 6-8-11-13
15,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,56,1 : 6-11-13-17
16,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,52,1 : 23-27-30-36
17,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,48,1 : 20-22-31-33
18,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,44,1 : 21-25-27-34
19,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,40,1 : 20-24-31-33
20,4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,36,1 : 19-21-25-34
21,21,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,32,1 : 15-26-35-0
22,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,28,1 : 25-27-34-36
23,9,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,24,1 : 22-28-29-35
24,2,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,20,1 : 19-21-32-0
25,35,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,16,1 : 8-10-24-33
26,24,Bet,4,36,-4,32,48,1 : 10-20-24-33
27,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,44,1 : 2-4-6-17
28,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,40,1 : 2-4-6-17
29,12,Bet,4,36,-4,32,72,1 : 3-7-12-18
30,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,68,1 : 1-5-16-23
31,29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,64,1 : 20-24-31-33
32,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,60,1 : 26-28-35-0
33,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,56,1 : 1-9-14-16
34,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,52,1 : 2-4-15-0
35,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,48,1 : 21-25-27-34
36,16,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,44,1 : 20-22-29-31
37,29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,40,1 : 21-25-27-34
38,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,36,1 : 2-4-15-17
[/table]
5 wins +36
Weisbaden July 2/2010 table 3
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
2,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
3,20,Bet,4,36,-4,32,32,1 : 20-22-29-31
4,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,28,1 : 6-11-13-17
5,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,24,1 : 6-7-11-13
6,33,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,20,1 : 2-4-15-0
7,0,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,16,1 : 8-10-11-24
8,15,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,12,1 : 27-30-34-36
9,31,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,8,1 : 2-4-6-17
10,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,4,1 : 6-8-11-13
11,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,0,1 : 3-12-32-0
12,19,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-4,1 : 6-11-13-17
13,34,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-8,1 : 7-9-14-18
14,19,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-12,1 : 23-27-30-36
15,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-16,1 : 3-12-32-0
16,31,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-20,1 : 5-23-30-36
17,16,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-24,1 : 4-15-26-0
18,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-28,1 : 5-23-30-36
19,3,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-32,1 : 2-4-6-17
20,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-36,1 : 19-21-32-0
21,1,Bet,4,36,-4,32,-4,1 : 1-5-16-23
22,20,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-8,1 : 3-12-32-0
23,1,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-12,1 : 22-28-29-31
24,29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-16,1 : 5-16-23-30
25,2,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-20,1 : 26-28-35-0
26,30,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-24,1 : 8-10-24-33
27,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-28,1 : 7-9-14-18
28,23,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-32,1 : 20-22-31-33
29,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-36,1 : 27-30-34-36
30,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-40,1 : 20-22-31-33
31,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-44,1 : 6-11-13-17
32,15,Bet,4,36,-4,32,-12,1 : 2-4-15-0
33,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-16,1 : 8-10-11-13
34,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-20,1 : 5-16-23-30
35,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-24,1 : 20-24-31-33
36,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-28,1 : 3-19-32-0
37,9,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-32,1 : 2-4-15-0
38,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-36,1 : 1-5-14-16
[/table]
3 wins -36
My conclusions so far after a few more tests:
1. Play the C & CC directions randomly or by feeling (not in a preset manner)
2. Use a progression like Drogan's. If you don't, you'll be sitting there for a long time watching your stack go up and down
3. Look out for trends, or you'll be like a duck sitting in the middle of the road. LoL ;D
What those of you who have been testing it think?
something to think about why not just backing 8 numbers but using the 1-4 and 5-9 distances to decied what numbers to bet so we are covering black and red not just 4 numbers of the same colour just an idea being going well so far and still play the clockwise and anti clockwise
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 10, 10:37 AM 2010
Something to think about why not just backing 8 numbers but using the 1-4 and 5-9 distances to decied what numbers to bet so we are covering black and red not just 4 numbers of the same colour just an idea being going well so far and still play the clockwise and anti clockwise
It's actually a good idea to play not just RB, but also OE all at the same time (a total of 8 numbers). And in case you miss with RB, you might just catch it with OE. That's what i did yesterday on my test posted here.
Quote from: Carsch on Sep 10, 09:36 AM 2010
1. Play the C & CC directions randomly or by feeling (not in a preset manner)
So we just watch out for High (5,6,7,8,9) and Low (1,2,3,4) and then we bet C or CC randomly?
--Thats exactly how it should be played.
positional roulette cards for zero and double zero roulette
(link:://i51.tinypic.com/4dzk2.gif)
(link:://i56.tinypic.com/30ac3s4.gif)
First test results
L -4PTS
L -8PT
L-12PTS
L-16PTS
L-20PTS
L-24PTS
L-28PTS
L-32PTS
W0PTS
W+32 pts
Quit session running total +32 points
Quote from: A3on on Sep 10, 02:16 PM 2010
So we just watch out for High (5,6,7,8,9) and Low (1,2,3,4) and then we bet C or CC randomly?
Test it that way and compare results, then make your decision. But personally, i think it's best that way. Well, that's my experience while testing this sytem. :)
Well, I think I've an idea.
When I've time I will test it and let you guys know :)
Chaps,
great posts and thanks Drogan for taking the time to explain and produce the chart. It is most helpful.
I too read this book some years ago but could not fathom it.
One thing I could not get clear in my mind even after reading the two parts of Jack's book several times, is what is the definition of the "A" series and "B" series numbers?
I understand that for each one you then count C or CC 1, 2, 3, 4 or 2, 3, 4, 5 for LOW or 5, 6, 7, 8 or 6, 7, 8, 9 for HIGH but I don't get what the two series' numbers are.
Thanks to anyone who can answer this.
Regards,
James
I've the same question :S
If someone could help me and Zeroandtheneighbours it would be very appreciated :)
Quote from: zeroandtheneighbours on Sep 12, 07:47 AM 2010
Chaps,
great posts and thanks Drogan for taking the time to explain and produce the chart. It is most helpful.
I too read this book some years ago but could not fathom it.
One thing I could not get clear in my mind even after reading the two parts of Jack's book several times, is what is the definition of the "A" series and "B" series numbers?
I understand that for each one you then count C or CC 1, 2, 3, 4 or 2, 3, 4, 5 for LOW or 5, 6, 7, 8 or 6, 7, 8, 9 for HIGH but I don't get what the two series' numbers are.
Thanks to anyone who can answer this.
Regards,
James
It just means a different set of numbers I think
Series A was one set of 75 spins(numbers)
Series b a different set of 75 spins(numbers.
However something else is bothering me now as it appears you should back 8 numbers not 4 as further down chapter 14 jack says this
quote "
CHARTED INFORMATION FROM THE 75 SPINS
A: If you only played positions 1, 2, 3, and 4 clockwise for the 75 spins, you would have had eight ACTUAL hits.
B: If you only played positions 1, 2, 3, and 4 counter-clockwise for the 75 spins, you would have had eight ACTUAL hits.
C: If you only played positions 6, 7, 8, and 9 clockwise for the 75 spins, you would have had 10 ACTUAL hits.
D: If you only played positions 6, 7, 8, and 9 counter-clockwise for the 75 spins, you would have had 9 ACTUAL hits.
You should understand that A, B, C, and D are actual hits and that over the long run you cannot win just playing each of them alone. To play successfully you must play A and B together, which in this case gives you 16 possible hits. Or play C and D together, which in this case gives you 19 possible hits.
So that seems to be telling me you play 8 positional numbers??????????
The more I keep reading about his method the more confused I am becoming.
Was that his aim to make it as confusing as possible so only a few would actually understand how to play and thus not arising suspicion from casinos' with too many people winning LoL ;D ;D ;D
However don't let all the confusion put you off ,it's still beats virtually everything else out that.
Coming soon the results of my Ten-75 spin tests-what will be the outcome,the clock is ticking.................................(link:://i54.tinypic.com/2isipdt.jpg) ;D
Zero and Afonso,
(See Below)
PICKING THE FOUR HIGH AND LOW POSITIONS
Choice number one (to be used when playing series "A" spins) is: always starting your count from the last number hit, you will play either clockwise or counter-clockwise positions 1, 2, 3, and 4, (low positions) and positions 5, 6, 7, and 8 (high positions); you ignore position #9 both clockwise and counter-clockwise.
OR
Choice number two (to be used when playing series "B" spins) is starting your count from the last number hit, you will play either clockwise or counter-clockwise positions 2, 3, 4, and 5, (low positions) and positions 6, 7, 8, and 9 (high positions). You ignore positions #1 both clockwise and counter-clockwise.
D :thumbsup:
Quote from: Drogan on Sep 12, 10:18 AM 2010
Zero and Afonso,
(See Below)
PICKING THE FOUR HIGH AND LOW POSITIONS
Choice number one (to be used when playing series "A" spins) is: always starting your count from the last number hit, you will play either clockwise or counter-clockwise positions 1, 2, 3, and 4, (low positions) and positions 5, 6, 7, and 8 (high positions); you ignore position #9 both clockwise and counter-clockwise.
OR
Choice number two (to be used when playing series "B" spins) is starting your count from the last number hit, you will play either clockwise or counter-clockwise positions 2, 3, 4, and 5, (low positions) and positions 6, 7, 8, and 9 (high positions). You ignore positions #1 both clockwise and counter-clockwise.
D :thumbsup:
I think your getting confused series a and series b are a diffeerent set of numbers and he suggests you play series a 1, 2, 3 and 4 (low positions) and positions 5, 6,7 and 8 (high positions); you ignore position#9 both clockwise and counter-clockwise.And series b a different set of numbers he suggests you Play series "B" positions 2, 3, 4, and 5 as low and 6, 7, 8, and 9 as high you ignore position 9and use C and CC opening strategy to start playing.
So when you play you either use 1234 or 2345 as the low positions and either 5678 or 6789 as the high positions,you never play position 1 or position 9 at the same time?
Actually I think Jack mentions this in one of the chapters?
Quote from: moles40 on Sep 12, 10:09 AM 2010
So that seems to be telling me you play 8 positional numbers??????????
The more I keep reading about his method the more confused I am becoming.
That's what I'm about to test
I had an idea when I read the method for the third time :)
I will post some results soon
So I'm testing 3 ways of playing this system
2 of that ways are similar to what this forum members are playing, the third one was invented by myself to try to exploit this wonderful Jack's system
So here it's my First Test Session
Session 1:
Spins: 38
Spins played: 33
System 1: +12
System 2: -24
System 3: +120
amazing profit for the 3rd system in only 33 spins damn
Quote from: moles40 on Sep 12, 10:09 AM 2010
"A: If you only played positions 1, 2, 3, and 4 clockwise for the 75 spins, you would have had eight ACTUAL hits.
B: If you only played positions 1, 2, 3, and 4 counter-clockwise for the 75 spins, you would have had eight ACTUAL hits.
To play successfully you must play A and B together, which in this case gives you 16 possible hits. Or play C and D together, which in this case gives you 19 possible hits."
That means that it's best when you play A (clockwise) & B (counter-clockwise)...............instead of just playing, let's say A all the time, or one direction all the time. So, you're still playing only 4 numbers.
QuoteWas that his aim to make it as confusing as possible so only a few would actually understand how to play and thus not arising suspicion from casinos' with too many people winning LoL ;D ;D ;D
I guess one will never know. :D
Quote from: A3on on Sep 12, 07:51 AM 2010
I've the same question :S
If someone could help me and Zeroandtheneighbours it would be very appreciated :)
The zero.................if it's within the range of the numbers you are to play, use it for whatever color you're playing.
Let's say you start your couont from no. 7 going Clockwise, Low, and you are playing RED.
So, you start counting the Red numbers going Clockwise from no.7 (european wheel)
They are: 12, 3, 0 (since zero is there, take it into count), 32
Now let's say you had to go black, you would then use Zero as a black number.
That's all there is to it. ;)
Hope this helps
All, thanks for your collective replies, all very useful.
I was playing tonight at a B&M casino, and it held up but only just (playing 4 numbers C or CC).
I lost money betting on another scheme at the same time.
I really should stick to one method (Jack's method).
I had read, but somehow did not retain, the bit about betting 8 numbers (C & CC together) which should prove to be more profitable.
Speaking of which, a3on, your "tweak" results look amazing. Can I presume you will be sharing?
Thanks all again,
James
Ok Afonso.
What is the third system? ;)
Quote from: zeroandtheneighbours on Sep 12, 06:23 PM 2010
Speaking of which, a3on, your "tweak" results look amazing. Can I presume you will be sharing?
First you have to solve my puzzle with some hints about my tweak !
Ahah
Just joking mate :P
Of course I will share it, just please give me some more time for I do some more testings ^^
I just made a simple tiny tweak to Jack's method and just look the difference on profit ;D
Best regards,
Afonso
Waiting with bated breath. 8)
Session 2:
Spins: 38
Spins played: 37
System 1: +104
System 2: +64
System 3: +152
I'm getting impressed with my results :o
I knew system 3 would maximize jack's positional system, but never imagined it would be so much
System 3 got +272 units in 76 spins
Another way to play this would make +264 units and instead of betting 70 times in 76 spins, I would had bet 28 times in 76 spins. That means less bets, less backdraw, less bankroll needed, BIGGER unit size !
I really need to test this further.
Please guys continue with brain ideas to this great system.
Maybe we can come to an end where we join all the ideas and make some bomb here :thumbsup:
I think the end results will be something like this:
System 1, with a nice profit.
System 2, with less profit than system 1
System 3, with the best profit
This have some curiosities
System 2 come from system 1, but system 1 is still better than system 2.
BUT system 3 is an improvement of system 2 (which I think it is the worse one)
If I had made that improvement to system 1 instead of system 2, it wouldn't work.
So that tiny chance in system 2 made it really great
Sometimes, the worst systems can be turned in something great.
Sorry this, but I found interesting the idea of a better system born from the worse one xD
Best regards,
Afonso
Still waiting........
So,
system 1 is bet 4 numbers C or CC HIGH or LOW
system 2 is bet 8 numbers, 4 C and 4 CC HIGH or LOW?
system 3 is based on system 2???
Regards,
James
Quote from: A3on on Sep 12, 08:47 PM 2010
System 3 got +272 units in 76 spins
Very nice :thumbsup:
Quote from: zeroandtheneighbours on Sep 13, 12:44 AM 2010
So,
system 1 is bet 4 numbers C or CC HIGH or LOW
system 2 is bet 8 numbers, 4 C and 4 CC HIGH or LOW?
system 3 is based on system 2???
Regards,
James
Exactly as I have stated at the beginning of the thread.
Nice results to begin with Afonso.
My Best Regards
Quote from: A3on on Sep 12, 08:38 PM 2010
Session 2:
Spins: 38
Spins played: 37
System 1: +104
System 2: +64
System 3: +152
Sounds amazing,that would be over a thousand pounds won ;D with system 3 using 10 pound level stakes.Please share with us this system 3 you have devised using Jack's method.
System 1 is bet 4 numbers, following c/cc and High/low
System 2 is bet 8 number, we just follow High/low and bet always c and cc, this will give you a lower hit rate but playing as this will let you see streaks of winnings
System 3 takes advantage of system 2 streaks, you will see almost all the times something like 2/3 wins in 5 spins and next like 10 loosing spins followed by a winning streaks.
I advice you to start your session only after one virtual win. When you get a win you double your unit size for the next 2 bets.
Wins usually come like this
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
Simple as that :thumbsup:
Best regards,
Afonso
A3on,
thanks for not keeping us all in suspense too long.
I'm off to the casino again tonight, so I'll give it a go.
Cheers,
James
Quote from: zeroandtheneighbours on Sep 13, 12:39 PM 2010
A3on,
thanks for not keeping us all in suspense too long.
I'm off to the casino again tonight, so I'll give it a go.
Cheers,
James
I don't like when people do that kind of suspense
I just didn't said in the moment because I wanted to do one more session.
Wanted to had a little more certain about it
Best regards,
Afonso
A3on,
just returned from the casino.
After a nice meal I had about 1 hour free to bet.
here are the results.
European single zero wheel.
28
20
1
24
12
35
33
15
13
4
22
12
10
15 TRIGGER
20 W
15 L
31 W
29 L
22 L
6
5
34 TRIGGER
1 W
15 L
20 L
3 L
1 W
32 W
32 L
19 L
12 TRIGGER but stopped - time to go home
profit +90, so very happy with the results for such a short trial.
Thanks A3on for a great tweak.
More results to come as I get them.
If you like, when I have more time, I can show the 8 numbers selected for each time I placed a bet.
Regards,
James
I'm glad to see you winning :D
I will see if I get time to do some more testing tomorrow
Best regards,
Afonso
Afonso,
Great thinking!
This ROCKS!
Maybe someone needs this progressions for 4 numbers and for 8 numbers,
for online casinos( see excel files).
Cheers
Thanx Katt, most helpful :thumbsup:
System 3 takes advantage of system 2 streaks, you will see almost all the times something like 2/3 wins in 5 spins and next like 10 losing spins followed by a winning streaks.
I advice you to start your session only after one virtual win. When you get a win you double your unit size for the next 2 bets.
A3on, we see nothing yet...and you cannot give advice on something we don't have a clue.
If you would reveal your strategy like we all do on this forum we could help you make it even better. More brains more power.
I thank you for being generous.
Thanks Kattila for being generous, God remembers generous people.
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Sep 14, 12:30 PM 2010
A3on, we see nothing yet...and you cannot give advice on something we don't have a clue.
If you would reveal your strategy like we all do on this forum we could help you make it even better. More brains more power.
But I revealed my strategy :)
I know I haven't seen nothing yet, that's why I wanted to do some more tests (something like 2k spins).
I was aiming for doing it in 3 days, but something unsuspected happen and i knew I wouldn't had time to test it properly without taking too long.
So, I revealed it, as I think I wouldn't be correct if I had made you guys wait longer
:thumbsup:
Best regards,
Afonso
Where did you revealed it? Sorry, but I must be blind.
The system 3 strategy where is it? We could help you with the testings, I know it takes a lot of time and patience.
Hermes
Hermes,
Page 10 Sixth post from the bottom.
:thumbsup:
Thanks Drogan, I must be really blind.
Hermes
Quote from: A3on on Sep 13, 09:02 AM 2010
System 1 is bet 4 numbers, following c/cc and High/low
System 2 is bet 8 number, we just follow High/low and bet always c and cc, this will give you a lower hit rate but playing as this will let you see streaks of winnings
System 3 takes advantage of system 2 streaks, you will see almost all the times something like 2/3 wins in 5 spins and next like 10 losing spins followed by a winning streaks.
I advice you to start your session only after one virtual win. When you get a win you double your unit size for the next 2 bets.
Wins usually come like this
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
Simple as that :thumbsup:
Best regards,
Afonso
Is the only change in system 3 against system 2 that you wait for W as a trigger otherwise you play system 2?
Hermes
Whew! Can anyone tell me where I can find system#2???? What page is it on???
Scooby Doo
Scooby you have it under your nose! My post before your there is system 2 (blue) betting 8 numbers instead of 4. but c/cc.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Sep 14, 09:39 PM 2010
Scooby you have it under your nose! My post before your there is system 2 (blue) betting 8 numbers instead of 4. but c/cc.
Cheers Hermes
Dear Scooby,
I found the file attached to this post somewhere and I think this is what you are looking for?!
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.
@Hermes
System 3 is w8 for a win to start playing (just to avoid start playing in a run of L), after that play normally with 8 numbers, and always double your stake after a win until you get 3 losses in a row.
I advice you too to low your stake to the original if you get wins in a row, a single loss and after a win. It's sign that the Win streak will stop, so you will avoid that 2 looses with double stake.
Ex:
L
L
L
L
W - 1 unit size bet (sign to raise your stake)
W - 2 unit size
L - 2 unit size
W - 2 unit size (sign to bet again 1 unit after [because LW]
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
W - 1 unit size
L - 2 unit size
W - 2 unit size(sign to bet again 1 unit after [because LW]
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
L - 1 unit size
W - 2 unit size
W - 2 unit size
L - 2 unit size
L - 2 unit size
L - 1 unit size
Any help you need just say Hermes
You are a good guy and you had been very helpful for me in passed threads :)
Best regards,
Afonso
I apologize Afonso for any inconvenience I caused - obvious impatience when we don't understand.
Thanks for the explanation, it will help also others, tapping in the dark .
Jack Kennedy is not easy to read, anyway, but his strategy is excellent. Even strong coffee didn't help a lot.
Thanks to everybody who helped clear the mud.
Hermes
No problem my friend :)
I'm getting great results with it.
I can't understand right but playing with 8 numbers the wins come in streaks and normally if you're in the streak when you get a Loss and after a Win it's sign that the streak will end.
Maybe if some more members could test this too, more conclusions would be made :thumbsup:
It is understandable that hit 8 number is more difficult than 1 dozen (4# less) and one dozen is not a easy cake also. There will be less streaks of WWWWW and more LLLLLLLLLL.
Afonso or anybody else how many Ls did you get maximum in row? 15 or more? When one dozen can sleep for 25 spins 8 numbers can sleep for 1/3 longer. LW strategy is the only solution for it.
Hermes
The max I saw was 16 L in a row :)
You mean betting 8 numbers? If yes, it is better result that betting one dozen (12 numbers)! Still LW strategy recommended or wait 5 misses and bet the progression.
What about D'Alembert progression: Win +1 unit; 4 (3?) Losses -1 unit?
Hermes
Yes it's a better result than betting a dozen, but maybe it's because we haven't tested for enough spins.
D'Alembert progression worths a try :)
No, if would be worse than D/C it would already show up. There must be something on the Jacks strategy? Try the W+1, 4 Losses -1 unit. I think it works. I would test but very busy now with the job. Lot of almost dead people.
Hermes
Good point mate
Tomorrow I will come back with the testings.
I will post my results after 500 spins using your progression ;)
Best regards,
Afonso
I tested over 100 spins and it didn't look good. I have the feeling that if you would pick up any 4 or 8 numbers it will have the same results. I don't see advantage in Jack's strategy. If we bet only number which came at least once we would exclude the sleepers from play.
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Sep 21, 10:30 PM 2010
I tested over 100 spins and it didn't look good. I have the feeling that if you would pick up any 4 or 8 numbers it will have the same results. I don't see advantage in Jack's strategy. If we bet only number which came at least once we would exclude the sleepers from play.
Hermes
Yep, i'm inclined to believe that too. :)
Well whats happened to this thread then.I take it everyone is winning and keeping very quite about it.Just as Jack said people would ;D
"Well what's happened to this thread" >>> You can look at ANY thread that has had a ton of interest in the past. They *ALL* die out and everyone moves on to the next big thing. Ken
Hi Guys,
I haven't played any roulette for the past few months needed a break.
Went back to testing this again yesterday.
Only played two 37 SPIN sessions
Session one +68 points
Session 2+ 32 points.
I still like this system play 4 colours from the last hit colour.It makes so much sense and you can make big profits.
Does anyone play this or been testing it out.
I have been playing my version of this for a few weeks now with rather a lot of success. Amazing strategy, JK was a genius.
Quote from: foogus on May 31, 10:11 PM 2011
I have been playing my version of this for a few weeks now with rather a lot of success. Amazing strategy, JK was a genius.
Are U able to enlighten us on Ur version friend?