I would like to point out that there is a professional rouletteplayer (not a gambler) by the name Kimo Li. He is also the author of "The European Roulettebook" among others.
I use to study the Game with him several years ago and can personally acknowledge that he has found the "Holy Grail". Its all in his manifested work. For everyone to grasp.
Im a bit surprised a lot of people in here keep on "going over the bridge for water". And that no one ever lifted his name nor his things. My recommendation is, check it out and you will discover things about the game that will make you win on a consistent basis. I did.
cheers.
/Maan
Well i been around for many years and i know members who scam other members money using he's methods and lose it all.
I also know members who study and try he's methods during the past years that did not succeed winning more then the lose.
All this talk about the holy grail, winning and not losing, just nonsense.
All system lose and win, the point is if you can win more then you lose overall.
Some say yes you can as they won 1500 Euro during one year.
That is not the long run and next year after that might not be so lucky if you get my drift.
I pretty sure there is methods that wins and lose.
And i know there is no system that beats the wheel overall.
Cheers
/Maan
I have both his books. I've tried to understand his gibberish. He tells me and others we're just too dumb. I guess you are one of the smart ones.
I've asked him repeatedly: How do you play? OK, we have the ball doing a bow-tie. How do you play? Every number is a "Star" number. What does that mean?
All this gentleman--and his followers--have ever done is allude to the fact of how great he is and how he wins going away. No one has stood for a challenge! No one has made a video showing how they can win.
And if it's all true--if he's as good as some say--will anything ever be said about it except that the player just has to work and study?
Here's a poem I wrote about a horse racing guru who supposedly had found the winning algorithm to betting:
"For fear they'll steal his algorithm
When he leaves home he takes it with him.
Flanked by guards with guns and mace
He takes that sucker every place!
He pulled it out one night at dinner;
All it said was, 'Bet the winner'."
Kimo Li is much the same. I was in his private section and he said the Holy Grail was watching what the wheel was doing and go along with it. Easier said than done!
Sam
Ego!. You've made an issue of trying to trash everything you read and see. Its ok. Some people are like that. You're obviously one of these.
Because you're not opened eye enough doesnt mean all people are. Bear that in mind my friend,
Sam. You sound very disappointed. However dont dispare. Everything takes time. And, do you know anyone that have posted their winning methods anywhere? All we see every day, week, month and year is a lot of mindfulness about roulette. right?
I play every day with Kimos stuff and win. Very provocating and controversial...
Cheers
/Maan
Quote from: Maan on Dec 27, 03:58 PM 2012
I play every day with Kimos stuff and win.
/Maan
Yoouurr'e the Maan!
/Maan
If you win daily, I am happy for you.
I could hand you a certain tool. If I never did any more than that, you might never know what to do with the tool.
You could spend years trying to find a use for that tool and never find it. The most logical way to find the use for it would be to ask people everywhere. Walk around a restaurant and hold it up. Take it to Church, to the ball game and to the horse races. Hey, take it to the casino!
I'm not even sure Kimo has handed us a tool. Sometimes I think he's just having a good laugh at the expense of those who are seeking the way.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 27, 09:14 PM 2012
I'm not even sure Kimo has handed us a tool. Sometimes I think he's just having a good laugh at the expense of those who are seeking the way.
Sam
I don't think so Sam.
Kimo Li has put way too much energy into his approaches to be just having a lend of us.
Whether his methodology truly works or not is up to the individual to decide, but for sure much of it has merit way beyond the basic understanding of the game.
Some of my own work has its origins in Kimo Li style knowledge (stars/matrices/behaviors, etc), so I won't knock it.
For some perspective, Maan has recently posted in one of my threads having a good laugh at the method. Little does he know that the whole idea started with a Kimo Li star and matrix design!
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Maan & Skakus you two are full of it and you don't know it, that is sad.
Quote from: ego on Dec 28, 07:52 AM 2012
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Maan & Skakus you two are full of it and you don't know it, that is sad.
There you go Maan, it's us against them now!
The Kimo Li disciples v the Ego maniacs!!! :twisted:
By the way, I'm not so into Kimo Li stuff, I just occasionally use some geometrical shapes and matrix patterns to arrange some numbers for betting on. It's no more ridiculous than throwing 8 sided dice to come up with some harebrained scheme.
hey guys just cool down. That's not a place for religious wars and we are not on Crusade.
:)
Monty Python And The Holy Grail- The Black Knight (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno#)
What can i say. Was just trying to contribute. There are always cyberjunkies and message board addicts.
I have a life. Happy New Year.
Maan, this is not a really contribution. Kimo has lots of stuff, so if u wanna contribute at least elaborate pls what part of his stuff u mean. Nuke, bowtie?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 27, 02:12 PM 2012
/Maan
I have both his books. I've tried to understand his gibberish. He tells me and others we're just too dumb. I guess you are one of the smart ones.
I've asked him repeatedly: How do you play? OK, we have the ball doing a bow-tie. How do you play? Every number is a "Star" number. What does that mean?
All this gentleman--and his followers--have ever done is allude to the fact of how great he is and how he wins going away. No one has stood for a challenge! No one has made a video showing how they can win.
And if it's all true--if he's as good as some say--will anything ever be said about it except that the player just has to work and study?
Here's a poem I wrote about a horse racing guru who supposedly had found the winning algorithm to betting:
"For fear they'll steal his algorithm
When he leaves home he takes it with him.
Flanked by guards with guns and mace
He takes that sucker every place!
He pulled it out one night at dinner;
All it said was, 'Bet the winner'."
Kimo Li is much the same. I was in his private section and he said the Holy Grail was watching what the wheel was doing and go along with it. Easier said than done!
Sam
Sam, without checking the internet, that has to be the one and only poem with the world with algorithm in. :thumbsup:
By the way....I read some stuff pertaining to Kimo Li....it was just too poncey and gibberish for me....bit like David Carradines Kung Fu....I loved the bits where the bully cowboys underestimated him and pushed him to the point where he kicked the sh.it out of them.....but during the Master Po bits....I was shouting at the TV..." get this gibberish ponce off ....i wanna see some cowboys get the sh.it kicked out of them"
Turner
@Ego,
QuoteAnd i know there is no system that beats the wheel overall.
How do you know ?!?
It's like they say, there is no perfect murder !!! Yes there is, all the one that never came up ,
or never where found .
So maybe you, me, all the others here haven't found it yet, others have and never told us ;)
Ray
this all depends i think. If u mean something that wins consistently all the time -- forget it. If u mean beating the wheel sometimes, staying well ahead, that's another story.
lol, I take it we are all still wasting time on here then O0
Quote from: rayhd63 on Dec 28, 05:47 PM 2012
@Ego,
How do you know ?!?
It's like they say, there is no perfect murder !!! Yes there is, all the one that never came up , or never where found .
So maybe you, me, all the others here haven't found it yet, others have and never told us ;)
Ray
Come up with innovative but not an easily understandable method. It should involve few strategies and not so firm rules. There will be always some people winning with it for a while like with other methods. Sell an additional info. People winning with it won't mind buying it hoping to win more. People losing with it will hope that an additional stuff will help them win. Its a perfect method ;D Or go to the other site where the other method will be revealed by July.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 28, 05:56 PM 2012
this all depends i think. If u mean something that wins consistently all the time -- forget it. If u mean beating the wheel sometimes, staying well ahead, that's another story.
That is my point also, there will never exist a system that win consistently as random distribution will find it own way around any existing selection at some point.
This is wy i start to tell members who don't know or being naive, that first lesson to learn is that all system fail.
So if they want to play this game they have to learn how to manage there sessions, money and bankroll to try stay ahead during there overall game plan.
The story about roulette is the same like the story about the earth.
Everybody is saying the earth is flat like paper. Someday a guy comes up and tells the people that the earth is a ball.
The people are angry and shouting "it´s not possible!!".
Month or years later the people accept the fact that the earth is a ball.
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Here we have the same story about roulette.
The people shouting "the grail is not possible!!".
Someday there will be a person who shows the grail-method but the people are still angry.
"Give us one million spins!!" (of course you can wait for years before you have one million live dealer spins)
"It´s not possible!!"
Years later the people see that a grail is possible and accept the fact.
Quote from: Interstate89 on Dec 29, 05:27 AM 2012
The story about roulette is the same like the story about the earth.
Everybody is saying the earth is flat like paper. Someday a guy comes up and tells the people that the earth is a ball.
The people are angry and shouting "it´s not possible!!".
Month or years later the people accept the fact that the earth is a ball.
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Here we have the same story about roulette.
The people shouting "the grail is not possible!!".
Someday there will be a person who shows the grail-method but the people are still angry.
"Give us one million spins!!" (of course you can wait for years before you have one million live dealer spins)
"It´s not possible!!"
Years later the people see that a grail is possible and accept the fact.
I don't think its similar to people thinking the earth is flat. The game of roulette is not beatable in the long run. its 100 years old. it time to realise the truth.
its a game. A game that you can win at if you play with a bit of commonsense.
Nothing consistantly wins for ever. Ask Mike Tyson! Ask Garry Kasparov.
I keep saying this over and over. Roulette is beatable. Casinos arnt.
To beat roulette just marty red until a win, you may have to bet 22Million to win 1 U at some point, but it is the holy grail. You can't bet 22 Million in a casino....so there will never be a holy grail to beat the casino.
And if there is, they will take roulette off.
the difference between roulette and the earth is that about flat earth people thought many thousands years ago when they still were living in the caves. Even in the middle Ages they already knew about the Earth being a ball.
it does not take a lot of guessing, enough just to sail a little and u see it can't be flat.
now u got Wizard of Odds, and he is a professor of mathematics, and he dedicated his life to gambling research, and he knows quite a lot about it. u can find him in wikipedia. he will give 20k (against 2k) to anyone who found consistently winning method. Find his website. There was a guy who lost 2 k, but there was nobody who could win 20k.
it's plain impossible. but on the other hand there are some people managing to beat roulette consistently with their methods (win more than they lose). but they don't have a Holy Grail, because it DOES NOT EXIST.
Roulette is beatable. Sorry to say that, but it's a fact.
I am not here to argue with anyone. I apologize if I said something against someones believe.
The answer is in BIAS WHEEL. I may sound like an outcast, but a fact is still a fact.
The truth is out there on the table and it's waiting for us to locate and benefit from it.
I am not going to answer any question regarding this matter.
I may sound like a snob or a freak but I am telling the truth from the bottom of my heart.
Don't waste time on mechanical method. It's not worth trying.
Regards and Best wishes
I think it´s wrong to explain the world with pure math or statistics.
Is it possible to explain the space or the life with pure math and stats?
Sometimes things happen and nobody knows whats going on. You can´t calculate every possible thing in our life.
Let´s take Orochis dublinbet videos. For example he bets 34 after the spins 27,7,27. Later the 34 hit with a nice profit. He does the same with betting 8 or 18. Both hit later with nice profit. He starts with 1700 credits and leaves with over 8000 credits. He takes special number-pictures and place his bets.
Now ask a math-guy why a specific line of numbers creates a specific number to bet. Is the math-guy able to explain the story with pure math and statistics?
Maybe Orochi doesn´t have the grail but i´m very impressed by his style of play.
A professional roulette player is much like a professional boxer. The roulette player's nemesis is random numbers. How does one conquer random numbers? The boxer acquires the fundamental skills necessary to compete, jabs, hooks, upper cut etc. and applies certain strategies, depending on the opponent. So too does the roulette player, the player must acquire many skills, not just the basics, things like wheel head number positions, ball movement recognition, trends, pattern recognition, money management, etc.
To defeat one's opponent, a boxer must possess an arsenal of skills. He must learn everything about the opponent's habits and tendencies. Is the boxer aggressive, passive aggressive counter puncher, or multifaceted?
Random numbers behave similarly, tendencies like RRR BB R BBB R, LHLH LLL HH L, OE OE OOO EE O. From the GPM point of view, 4 6 8 5 9 7 or 1 5 3 2 6 4 etc.
The key to winning is to possess the necessary skills of identifying and classifying random numbers and applying specific strategies that will have a favorable outcome.
Most of the time boxers will accumulate points per round to win a match. Many boxers will try and often fail. However, a special boxer, a natural, will come along and possess the necessary skills to achieve a knock out consistently.
Some people are not meant to be boxers.
Kimo Li
yes, that's right, Kimo.
i also compared roulette to box. I say that u better
punch a few times and get the hell out of there ASAP cause it's very likely u won't stand for too long, the enemy is too strong and never tired. :twisted:
it's not just the pure math or statistics. It's experience. What happens to the absolutely most of the players which get ahead in the game at some point? they lose, that's what happens. You always are encouraged by casinos to push your luck as far as possible they know too well it's not gonna last forever. Holy grail or magic formula is a myth, that's a fact.
Quote from: Interstate89 on Dec 29, 06:31 AM 2012
I think it´s wrong to explain the world with pure math or statistics.
Is it possible to explain the space or the life with pure math and stats?
Sometimes things happen and nobody knows what's going on. You can´t calculate every possible thing in our life.
Let´s take Orochis dublinbet videos. For example he bets 34 after the spins 27,7,27. Later the 34 hit with a nice profit. He does the same with betting 8 or 18. Both hit later with nice profit. He starts with 1700 credits and leaves with over 8000 credits. He takes special number-pictures and place his bets.
Now ask a math-guy why a specific line of numbers creates a specific number to bet. Is the math-guy able to explain the story with pure math and statistics?
Maybe Orochi doesn´t have the grail but i´m very impressed by his style of play.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Dec 29, 06:41 AM 2012
A professional roulette player is much like a professional boxer. The roulette player's nemesis is random numbers. How does one conquer random numbers? The boxer acquires the fundamental skills necessary to compete, jabs, hooks, upper cut etc. and applies certain strategies, depending on the opponent. So too does the roulette player, the player must acquire many skills, not just the basics, things like wheel head number positions, ball movement recognition, trends, pattern recognition, money management, etc.
To defeat one's opponent, a boxer must possess an arsenal of skills. He must learn everything about the opponent's habits and tendencies. Is the boxer aggressive, passive aggressive counter puncher, or multifaceted?
Random numbers behave similarly, tendencies like RRR BB R BBB R, LHLH LLL HH L, OE OE OOO EE O. From the GPM point of view, 4 6 8 5 9 7 or 1 5 3 2 6 4 etc.
The key to winning is to possess the necessary skills of identifying and classifying random numbers and applying specific strategies that will have a favorable outcome.
Most of the time boxers will accumulate points per round to win a match. Many boxers will try and often fail. However, a special boxer, a natural, will come along and possess the necessary skills to achieve a knock out consistently.
Some people are not meant to be boxers.
Kimo Li
No boxer ever won consistantly. its a silly analogy. Ali....beat by Leon Spinx, Tyson beat by Douglas. They are the top rate of Boxing and they lost eventually. Your argument suits people who dont think there is a Grail.
Turner
Turner,
"Silly" This type of language evokes personal attacks.
Your assessment of the boxer analogy in terms of consistency perhaps is misguided. The point in the analogy is to develop skills and strategies which produce an advantage. Loss is expected, as well as aging minds and bodies.
As far as the Holy Grail, it's silly to think it exist, especially when you do not have it.
Kimo Li
Kimo Li
it's not a silly analogy at all, it is a very good analogy. Roulette is a very formidable adversary. And usually You can't last long if u keep playing for too long time. That's very much like on a ring. The difference is that your adversary is never tired and keeps looking for your weak spots. Sooner or later he will get u if u keep being too stubborn. Give him a few good punches and get the hell out of there.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 29, 07:47 AM 2012
No boxer ever won consistantly. its a silly analogy.
Ali won 56 out of 61 fights! What's NOT consistent about that? :xd:
some peoples defination of consistent is 61-0.
some people also says do a lewis... never give a rematch and retire while on top :)
It is often said that roulette cannot be beaten longterm.
In my mind the longterm is relative.
Someone who plays 100 spins every single day for 10 years will play a total of 365,000 spins.
A dedicated player will play around 100 spins 3 days per week, a total of 144,000 spins.
So in most cases a player will play +-100,000 spins in 10 years.
Hello Kimo Li.
I know you have written a vast amount of information. Might it be possible to advise one or two specific directions to look into for the moment? Directions which have a chance of performing well.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Dec 29, 10:40 AM 2012
Turner,
"Silly" This type of language evokes personal attacks.
Your assessment of the boxer analogy in terms of consistency perhaps is misguided. The point in the analogy is to develop skills and strategies which produce an advantage. Loss is expected, as well as aging minds and bodies.
As far as the Holy Grail, it's silly to think it exist, especially when you do not have it.
Kimo Li
Kimo Li
I retract it and apologise.
Good job the forum censored the word I typed and replaced it with with silly!! :thumbsup:
Everybody addressed with "The Great" should be taken seriously. ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Dec 31, 10:17 AM 2012
Everybody addressed with "The Great" should be taken seriously. ;D
Maybe its same " Great Britain" I dont take it seriously. :twisted:
Reminds me of that WWE wrestler 'The Great Khali'
He was Bollocks too
Quote from: buffalowizard on Dec 31, 07:24 PM 2012
Reminds me of that WWE wrestler 'The Great Khali'
He was Bollocks too
I got censored at work and taken to task for emailing the word bollocks.
I was told by IT that it was a profanity and I had broken the company rules for email.
i reminded them that Malcom McLaran took it to court to keep the sex pistols album name "never mind the bollocks" and it was deemed in court to not be a swear word.
i got a reply...not an apology, from the IT manager simply..."Bollocks is ok"
that's a true story...LoL
Turner
Going Dark
Well, there he goes---down a little brown road in China with swirling dust puffs flying from his sandals. Look closely! Except for the sandals, he's naked!
:xd:
Well who woulda thunk this thread would turn out like this? Way to put the exclamation mark on this one Sam :)
The matrix is now complete :)