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Title: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 10, 08:09 PM 2013
To design a working live roulette system, the wheel numbers must be taken into consideration. Ordinary carpet numbers doesn't matter and have no relevance, (they don't make any sense, really) only true wheel numbers count.

This is how true carpet, representing wheel numbers would look
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 10, 09:25 PM 2013
First thing i noticed using this wheel carpet pic IS dozen repeats are very common

F**k? I got 7 hits in a row playing this now?!?! wtf  :ooh:  :ooh: (live)

As a new dozen hit, Bet all numbers in it (using wheel capet pic)






Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Skakus on Jan 10, 10:26 PM 2013
Gimme a break!

Just learn the wheel order if you want to bet on 12 pocket sections... sheesh!
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 10, 10:33 PM 2013
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 10, 10:26 PM 2013
Gimme a break!

Just learn the wheel order if you want to bet on 12 pocket sections... sheesh!

Perhaps beginners luck that I've flatbetted myself upto +500? Try it yourself? using the true wheel carpet..
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: TwoCatSam on Jan 10, 10:39 PM 2013
If I may voice an opinion....................

The carpet is nothing more than a place to signify how much you want to bet on what.  Other than that, it has no significance. 

Sam
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 10, 10:50 PM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 10, 10:39 PM 2013
If I may voice an opinion....................

The carpet is nothing more than a place to signify how much you want to bet on what.  Other than that, it has no significance. 

Sam

No, but really, the carpet makes no sense (live wheel) it's designed to trick us. A real live system must be based on the real carpet numbers. I'm +700 now by the way. Flatbetting last dozen hit.(real carpet) Wait for a virtual win before bet
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Orochi on Jan 10, 10:52 PM 2013
 :twisted:

U always creating Mad Theories, and new systems.

Man learn how to read the patterns of the wheel, if u can't don't bother creating mathematical systems, they always get u busted!
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 10, 10:57 PM 2013
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 10, 10:52 PM 2013
:twisted:

U always creating Mad Theories, and new systems.

Man learn how to read the pattern of the wheel.

Yes, pattern of the wheel: I'm a beginner yes, but first pattern I noticed was dozen repeats. (not using the ordinary numbers/carpet that is!)
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 10, 11:06 PM 2013
I flatbetted myself upto +1000 now.  :ooh:
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Orochi on Jan 10, 11:10 PM 2013
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 10, 10:57 PM 2013
I noticed was dozen repeats. (not using the ordinary numbers/carpet that is!)

Do a long run test and u will see with your eyes that you are wrong.

They are 12 numbers no matter if u pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 or a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 10, 11:39 PM 2013
Can't be true.


I play with maximum bet at DublinBet. So far I won +4000 units.  ;D Got 9 wins in a row. Broke my old record of 7 wins in a row.

Wait for 3 virtual losses or 1 virtual win before betting
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: marvin on Jan 11, 12:22 AM 2013
your wheel-carpet is a litle messed-up on the third dozen :)
and since your already here i suggest you read about kimo li theories.
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: rouletteKEY on Jan 11, 12:32 AM 2013
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 10, 08:09 PM 2013
To design a working live roulette system, the wheel numbers must be taken into consideration. Ordinary carpet numbers doesn't matter and have no relevance, (they don't make any sense, really) only true wheel numbers count.

This is how true carpet, representing wheel numbers would look


This is today's revelation?

The wheel and the felt don't match!!!

            ...I'll take that under consideration for future play :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 11, 01:19 AM 2013
Another subjective observation: Columns do not repeat very often, most I've seen is 3 (according to the wheel carpet I made....)
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Maan on Jan 11, 04:29 AM 2013
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 10, 09:25 PM 2013
First thing i noticed using this wheel carpet pic IS dozen repeats are very common

F**k? I got 7 hits in a row playing this now?!?! wtf  :ooh:  :ooh: (live)

As a new dozen hit, Bet all numbers in it (using wheel capet pic)


We all found out 6 years ago. And we also use the carpet as a map...dont state without knowledge and dont try to invent the Wheel..
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: OShady on Jan 11, 04:54 AM 2013
I notice that 'Jan' was on the wheel in your photo ...

I love jan and svetlana ... made alot of money from them, one time jan hit the same area of the wheel 24 times in a row within say 10 nubers ish, and i bagged 11k by the session end ...

i track a new dealer for 20 spins and then commence betting, works most of the time... all dealers differ, most people dont believe in any kind of signature
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Smoczoor on Jan 11, 05:29 AM 2013
Ignatus! Yes! You are on good road... U touch it, u are so close... i can't wait you'll "see" IT  8)
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 11, 09:22 AM 2013
Quote from: Smoczoor on Jan 11, 05:29 AM 2013
Ignatus! Yes! You are on good road... U touch it, You are so close... I can't wait you'll "see" IT  8)

Yes  ;) I'm thinking now to study the movements of the wheel (using the wheel carpet numbers), also to study repeats. My idea, is so find the average (most common) movement, calculated in distance by number of streets from the last spin etc. That will take some time

I must redraw the wheel carpet again, so it represent all numbers in true order RBRBRB... etc. Do that now.
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 11, 10:16 AM 2013
This is the correct one.

Numbers located in order, (as they are represented on the wheel) Now the streets and columns also make sense.

I will use it to study movements etc


Cheers  8)
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 11, 10:25 AM 2013
Hey Ignatus.  Remember also how frequently a set of numbers hit

Example: nine numbers hitting within four spins.

12 numbers hitting within three spins.

Not always true, but with a progression it might work.
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 11, 10:30 AM 2013
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 11, 10:25 AM 2013
Hey Ignatus.  Remember also how frequently a set of numbers hit

Example: nine numbers hitting within four spins.

12 numbers hitting within three spins.

Not always true, but with a progression it might work.

Yes, true. But ordinary numbers/layout cannot be used in any way for live wheels... (they don't make any sense really)

This new carpet layout makes it easier to study movements and patterns. :)
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Orochi on Jan 11, 10:42 AM 2013
 If you want to understand more about movements and patterns my advice is to read Kimo Li book "The Roulette Formula: How to Predict the Exact Number"
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ignatus on Jan 11, 01:13 PM 2013
Did a short study of movements and repeats (using the new wheel carpet)
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: Interstate89 on Jan 13, 08:57 AM 2013
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 11, 10:42 AM 2013
If you want to understand more about movements and patterns my advice is to read Kimo Li book "The Roulette Formula: How to Predict the Exact Number"
To bad i can´t get the book. Sometimes life is bad to me.
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ego on Jan 13, 05:04 PM 2013
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 11, 10:16 AM 2013
This is the correct one.

Numbers located in order, (as they are represented on the wheel) Now the streets and columns also make sense.

I will use it to study movements etc


Cheers  8)


If you want to master and learn the wheel, then you might want to read this topic:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8036.msg73121#msg73121 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8036.msg73121#msg73121)

Cheers
Title: Re: Why we're tricked (Wheel & carpet)
Post by: ego on Jan 13, 05:20 PM 2013
 
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Then you might want to know how to take the rotor speed of the number ring, take dealers release number when he/she spin the ball and track the deflector hits, track distance and so on ...
There exist some very clever ways to mapping the wheel and play wheel signatures based upon physics, visual ballistic paramters or what we know as cause and effect that is pretty close to pure visual ballistic methods.
You could name them hybrids.