I know some will play this and I'll never hear a word from them, I accept that. Some might even rip the method AND still play it. lol This is flat betting. I use units of $15, $10 and $5 but use whatever fits your budget the best. I try and separate fact from opinion. A fact is, in 'X' number of spins, we will get a complete street hit, all 3 numbers. I do have to thank Bayes ahead of time, he helped me a bit.
Ok, on to the method >> I keep track of the last *12* numbers hit. When the next number hits, cross off the latest number, we will always be looking at the LAST 12. Any street with TWO of the numbers hit, is what we are looking for. Example: the 14 and 15 are hit within the 12 recorded. We flat bet the 13 UNTIL either a win OR until either the 14 or 15 is NOT within the 12 recorded anymore. I have done lots of testing recording the last 11, 10, 13 and 14 spins, I have found that *12* works the best. Anytime all 3 (a win) are within the 12, no more betting on that number UNTIL it drops back to two within the street.
EXAMPLE: We were betting on the 13, it hits and we have a win. Lets say a couple spins later, the 14 drops from the last 12 recorded. We NOW have the 13 and 15 hit so we bet on the 14 until either a win OR until either the 13 or 15 is NOT within 12 recorded anymore. Don't make this tougher than it is. Sometimes I over explain stuff. lol Now, what about multiple bets going on? This is what I do in terms of betting. 1-2 bets: I bet $15 per number, 3 bets: I bet $10 per number, 4+ bets: I bet $5 per number. It is very rare to have 4+ within 12 but you MUST have a RULE for every situation.
My BR is 3K but use what you can afford. No progression here, that should make a few happy. Its VERY common for a street to hit within a short (12) period of time. What I like about this most, we are NOT betting on semi-cold streets. My win goal is 1K, then go home. Any questions, just ask. Thanks for reading. Ken
what is your rationale for betting the unhit number in a street?
You mean the reason, dont you? As explained, OFTEN you will see all three in a street hit within a short (12) period of time. Also, we are AVOIDING semi-cold streets. (Sidenote: I forgot to mention, there are some spins where NO betting will take place) Ken
do you think that the 3 numbers that happen to make up a street have any more chance of hitting all together within 12 spins, than any group of any 3 numbers? if not, then observing numbers in a street is just an easier way to watch 3 particular numbers, with no particular relationship to each other, other than they are in the same street, yes?
Ken, what sort of Results have you had with this System ?
Have you been playing it long ?
Cheers :thumbsup:
Sorry, I just saw this post. I have no losses so far, played 8 times. Great results and no progression! Ken
Hi
I tried this today
46 spins +81 units.
Obv. early days but stress free so far 8)
Next session
55 spins +37 units..
I could have quit twice before this in profit..
Mr J what is your recommended stop-loss?
3rd session
28 spins +73 units
4th session
117 spins +72 units
5th session
298 spins +87 units
At spin 100 was at +31 units
"Mr J what is your recommended stop-loss?" >>> Its difficult to say cause I dont do things like others. lol I usually quit based on when I have to leave OR if my 3K BR is gone. So far, that has not happened. Your results look alot like mine. Its an easy method to play and flat betting does not kill you off fast. Ken
Quote from: Blood Angel on Sep 19, 09:57 AM 2010
5th session
298 spins +87 units
At spin 100 was at +31 units
Blood Angel are you still playing this Method ?
I just wondered what your latest results are ?
Cheers :thumbsup:
Hi Twister
No I haven't. I have been testing other things over at another forum (again a MrJ method)... I'm like a hyper-active kid sometimes when it comes to testing I'm afraid.
It was going well however so I may return to it when I get the opportunity. I'm a big fan of MrJ's ideas.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Nov 25, 06:18 AM 2010
Hi Twister
No I haven't. I have been testing other things over at another forum (again a MrJ method)... I'm like a hyper-active kid sometimes when it comes to testing I'm afraid.
It was going well however so I may return to it when I get the opportunity. I'm a big fan of MrJ's ideas.
lol :D
I know what you mean !
Is this new Method by Ken even better ??!!?? :xd:
Twister
It is his "My Method" which Is bring botted *sic* at another forum.
MrJ,
I have followed your postings for quite a while. I have tested most of them with success.
My problem is that most of them involve such a long progression that to even test them takes a lot of time. And, they all seem to be a form of martingale, howbeit for only 1 or 2 numbers. That's where my fear comes in. I know any martingale will eventually reach our limit and when it does on your systems, it's a wheelbarrow full of money.
On the other hand, you report to us that you stay ahead of the wheelbarrow with the systems you design and play.
Another good thing I like about your systems is that they are designed for 0/00 wheels which is what I have access to also.
In your opinion which of all your systems do you think is the safest, profitable system. In other words, if your avatar girl were your girlfriend and someone kidnapped her and said that you had to give them a system to play and if it didn't win, you would never lay eyes on her again. Which system would it be?
I like this "Method With Teeth" because it doesn't involve a long progression. Unless we want to play your progression idea or maybe even figure out another one. I hate the idea of only betting on 1 number when you might have 2 or 3 available. Maybe we could go ahead and bet, from left to right each step of our progression. In other words if we have 3 numbers we can bet and we're at step16 in our progression, we might bet step 16 on the number closest to leaving the 12 set and 17 on the next closest and 18 on the furthest. That way if any of the 3 hits we win.
Thanks,
George
P.S. One last thing. Have you tried to divide the wheel into 3 number sections and play this wheel based instead of table based?
"Have you tried to divide the wheel into 3 number sections and play this wheel based instead of table based?" >>> No but I am working on my newest creation. I just HATE giving it out to certain AP (I'm not talking about you Jordan) posters who slam methods because I KNOW they will either test/play it. I could not HIDE like that.
"My problem is that most of them involve such a long progression" >>> I have stated in the past, the unit SIZE is more important than the dollar amount. I understand not everyone plays with a 4K BR but you can lower the unit sizes (I think). In my opinion, the more tracking involved, you should use a larger BR to compensate for your TIME put in.
"you report to us that you stay ahead of the wheelbarrow with the systems you design and play" >>> To be more specific, not all methods work for YEARS. Those methods I end up 'kicking to the side'. I have around 6 that are my favorite. Of those 6, 2 are not posted (never will be), and maybe 3 still get some posts added on from time to time. As I have always said, I post the thread and I'm done (other than questions being asked). I can not force anybody to play a certain method. I do NOT get offended in any way if someone does not feel comfortable reading or playing something I post, thats cool with me.
Ken
Hey GLC, give me a day to really analize what I think is the 'best' or my favorites. Thats a great question. Plus, I keep very good records, I want to look things over before I commit to such an important answer.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 26, 09:36 PM 2010
Hey GLC, give me a day to really analize what I think is the 'best' or my favorites. that's a great question. Plus, I keep very good records, I want to look things over before I commit to such an important answer.
Ken
Ken mate,
Don't mean to rush you, but that day's stretchin' out quite a bit.
Just don't want you to forget me. I'm really serious about your answer.
Thanks,
George
DAMN, forgot bud. Hang tight, doing some testing right now.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 29, 07:55 PM 2010
DAMN, forgot bud. Hang tight, doing some testing right now.
Ken
Okay, no problem.
Finish your testing.
I'll keep.
George
@GLC >> Sorry it took so long. My top 3 POSTED methods that I play and are STILL doing quite well.....I will not rank them.
A) A Method With Teeth
B) My Method (Two's Company)
C) The other one, I'm not even sure I have a name for but have been playing it with GREAT results. >> This is a quick version of the rules: Track all 12 streets for every spin. Locate the furthest back unhit street, we'll say its the 4 5 6 street. The street MUST ALSO not of hit for a min. of 27 spins. Wait until it does hit, lets say the 5 hit. After that, start a 55 step progression on the 4 & 6. After a win, start over but all the while, continue to write down which street hits on every spin. The thought behind it. Its crazy odds that those TWO numbers you are betting on, just so happen to be the LAST two hit numbers of ALL the numbers?? No way. We all know, the last 1 or 2 or 3 unhit numbers can go unhit for hundreds of spins.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 29, 10:05 PM 2010
@GLC >> Sorry it took so long. My top 3 POSTED methods that I play and are STILL doing quite well.....I will not rank them.
A) A Method With Teeth
B) My Method (Two's Company)
C) The other one, I'm not even sure I have a name for but have been playing it with GREAT results. >> This is a quick version of the rules: Track all 12 streets for every spin. Locate the furthest back unhit street, we'll say its the 4 5 6 street. The street MUST ALSO not of hit for a min. of 27 spins. Wait until it does hit, lets say the 5 hit. After that, start a 55 step progression on the 4 & 6. After a win, start over but all the while, continue to write down which street hits on every spin. The thought behind it. Its crazy odds that those TWO numbers you are betting on, just so happen to be the LAST two hit numbers of ALL the numbers?? No way. We all know, the last 1 or 2 or 3 unhit numbers can go unhit for hundreds of spins.
Ken
Thanks Ken,
I think a lot of us will tend toward this 'method with teeth'. It plays at a faster pace without as much tracking as the other two.
I'm still vacilating between the flat bet and a progression.
The way I see it, you seem to be able to do very well flat betting, but even though every now and then with a progression, you take a heavy hit, you should have been winning at a pace that keeps you well ahead of the progression loss. At the end of a year's play, the two methods may not be that far away from each other as far as units won.
The only way to ever know is with massive amounts of either testing or playing.
I also think this concept would work well by dividing the wheel into 12 sets of 3 contiguous numbers and playing them the same way.
Carpet vs wheel may not make any difference and I think carpet is easier to play since it's right in front of your face, but, as you know, some people think playing the wheel gives you and advantage over the felt. To each his own.
Thanks for all your help,
George
Ken, is this still ure No1 choice of play ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 13, 02:30 PM 2012
Ken, is this still your No1 choice of play ?
Ken....I love your stuff....no nonsense sledgehammer muscle.
I like this...I can see me trying this in the Casino next weds. Easy and makes sense.
When the breeze catches this idea, I am getting a wiff of Turbo456. :thumbsup:
Turner
Wow, thanks Twister for uncovering this thread.
"A Method with Teeth" = very easy to learn and very easy to play!
Might give this a shot tonight.
By the gods, I'll have a look at it.
Trouble with my ECLIPSE systems is they are as slow as the ******FIVE*********
Sam
i have a tracker for this.
im attaching print screen, marked red you should bet it.
Is it ure own Tracker ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 14, 06:44 AM 2012
Is it your own Tracker ?
no, found somewhere, but i think it works corectly. Test it before use.
I checked it out; the tracker seems to me to be working perfectly. However, the system got one win in about 100 bets.
Sam
I was only able to play for about 18 spins at Harrahs then my phone rang and I had to go.
But I hit #32 straight up within 4 spins of the "Teeth" calling for a bet on it. It was the 11th spin of the session. Sure is nice to hit straight up when only betting on 1 number.
Thanks Mr J !
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 13, 02:30 PM 2012
Ken, is this still your No1 choice of play ?
Bump for Ken
Used the Method with Teeth again last night.
I was at the Rapid Roulette table and after a few spins I was the onlyone there but after 5 spins the system called for a bet on # 3 and I played it for 3 spins when it hit.
I don't like playing all by my self in order to make the dealer spin so I cashed out plus 44 units.
I was playing the alligator method at the same time and had made a few bets for that too.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Nov 25, 09:59 AM 2010
Twister
It is his "My Method" which Is bring botted *sic* at another forum.
Where can I learn of this bot? I might want to buy it.
Sam
As far as Im aware Sam it never got made.
Quote from: VegasArick on Oct 15, 07:39 PM 2012
Used the Method with Teeth again last night.
I was at the Rapid Roulette table and after a few spins I was the onlyone there but after 5 spins the system called for a bet on # 3 and I played it for 3 spins when it hit.
I don't like playing all by my self in order to make the dealer spin so I cashed out plus 44 units.
I was playing the alligator method at the same time and had made a few bets for that too.
want to bring this thread back to life...... plz explain about what to do if we have more than one street with 2 numbers hit within last 12 spins.... do we bet multiple numbers or just choose any street...
Ash, here is an excerpt from Mr J's initial post....
Any street with TWO of the numbers hit, is what we are looking for. Example: the 14 and 15 are hit within the 12 recorded. We flat bet the 13 UNTIL either a win OR until either the 14 or 15 is NOT within the 12 recorded anymore. I have done lots of testing recording the last 11, 10, 13 and 14 spins, I have found that *12* works the best. Anytime all 3 (a win) are within the 12, no more betting on that number UNTIL it drops back to two within the street.
Now, what about multiple bets going on? This is what I do in terms of betting. 1-2 bets: I bet $15 per number, 3 bets: I bet $10 per number, 4+ bets: I bet $5 per number. It is very rare to have 4+ within 12 but you MUST have a RULE for every situation.
Quote from: VegasArick on Nov 13, 12:50 PM 2012
Ash, here is an excerpt from Mr J's initial post....
Any street with TWO of the numbers hit, is what we are looking for. Example: the 14 and 15 are hit within the 12 recorded. We flat bet the 13 UNTIL either a win OR until either the 14 or 15 is NOT within the 12 recorded anymore. I have done lots of testing recording the last 11, 10, 13 and 14 spins, I have found that *12* works the best. Anytime all 3 (a win) are within the 12, no more betting on that number UNTIL it drops back to two within the street.
Now, what about multiple bets going on? This is what I do in terms of betting. 1-2 bets: I bet $15 per number, 3 bets: I bet $10 per number, 4+ bets: I bet $5 per number. It is very rare to have 4+ within 12 but you MUST have a RULE for every situation.
how long does this take to get one win......
mother of god just tried this on first bet only it won lolz it was only luck.... got a trigger on number 33 since 31 and 32 had hit within 12 spins and then i thought what the hell lets put one on 33 and then came 33 sure shot luck nothing else..... will never happen again.... but i had to quit since i was +36 lolz.... first time played straight number
Just ran 2 sessions, 100BR. 1u bets . Both ran 80 or so spins, 1 win. both sessions 50%loss of BR.
I think the teeth needed dental treatment on these 2 times.
Would have done better on these 2 occasions with 13, because I lost a couple of wins when the bet came off and the number hit next spin.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 13, 04:12 PM 2012
Just ran 2 sessions, 100BR. 1u bets . Both ran 80 or so spins, 1 win. both sessions 50%loss of BR.
I think the teeth needed dental treatment on these 2 times.
Would have done better on these 2 occasions with 13, because I lost a couple of wins when the bet came off and the number hit next spin.
live or RNG
Mr J aka KEN what method would you suggest
method with teeth
OR
catch the 8 train
Quote from: ashwinsinha on Nov 14, 01:01 AM 2012
live or RNG
Speilberg bremen t2 t3 from 6th nov. They had both won but perhaps i dont have the balls
they both work!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Nov 14, 03:12 AM 2012
they both work!
Mr J is worth investing trust in. I will test properly.