Fiddling around trying to find something that could give an advantage; a pattern or a movement on the livewheel.
What I found is a movement "123-move" I call it. It's something that occurs very often, and it has 90% hitrate (within 3 spins)
Pretty amazing if this is so! I only studied 2 lists of live-spins, but this pattern is reccuring.
The movement is (on the live wheel) doz 1, 2, 3, or doz 3, 2, 1
This movement is reccuring like this (see the chart!)
1
2
3
or
3
2
1
to play this:
Wait for trigger doz 1,2 hit then bet doz 3 for three spins.
or
Wait for trigger doz 3,2 hit then bet doz 1 for three spins
By dozen I mean Wheel-dozen (European Wheel)
I've tested this live and it works!
This is another chart (6000 livespins) As you can see, this pattern is reccuring here also! I would say the hitrate is 80-90% in the 3 first spins.
I'll do a tracker for this one! ;D
More livespins, Same 123-pattern here!
Interesting idea Ig. But wouldn't you just bet for one spin after a trigger? Otherwise your 1, 2, 3 or 3, 2, 1 movement becomes a 1, 2, 2, 2, 3 movement for example. Maybe test it both ways and see which works best?
Cheers
Roughy
Quote from: Roughy on Jan 24, 02:20 PM 2013
Interesting idea Ig. But wouldn't you just bet for one spin after a trigger? Otherwise your 1, 2, 3 or 3, 2, 1 movement becomes a 1, 2, 2, 2, 3 movement for example. Maybe test it both ways and see which works best?
Cheers
Roughy
Yes, you
could play like that also because the 123 movement seems very frequent
I've seen most hits within 3 spins (see the charts) if you wait for doz 1,2 hit then bet for doz 3 for three spins, or doz 3,2 hit then bet for doz 1 for 3 spins
That would be the bet way playing this
Ignatus if u want i can create Excel sheet which will recognize sector 1, 2 or 3 - all u have to do is put spins (manually or just ctr c and ctr v). Just say a word and i will do that :)
Quote from: Smoczoor on Jan 24, 02:33 PM 2013
Ignatus if u want i can create Excel sheet which will recognize sector 1, 2 or 3 - all You have to do is put spins (manually or just ctr c and ctr v). Just say a word and i will do that :)
Alright, good idea! :) I can sort the spins in 1,2,3 dozens thanks to a statistical software I'm using :)
I'm soon finished with the tracker
Isn't it around 80-90% chance of another dozen hitting within 5 spins anyway?
Have you worked out whether in fact you are gaining an edge?
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 24, 02:54 PM 2013
Isn't it around 80-90% chance of another dozen hitting within 5 spins anyway?
Have you worked out whether in fact you are gaining an edge?
See the livespins for yourself? The 123-pattern reccuring everywhere.
Here is a simple tracker for playing this: Just enter Dozen (1,2,3) and the numbers will pop up. (you'll have to seach for the numbers)
Find the correct sequence when playing: Doz 1,2 (bet 3) or Doz 3,2 (bet 1) For 3 spins, (then STOP) That's the way I would play it
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 24, 02:54 PM 2013
Isn't it around 80-90% chance of another dozen hitting within 5 spins anyway?
Have you worked out whether in fact you are gaining an edge?
lol, was gonna post something like this... your betting on a dozen to appear in 3 spins... does the fact that it's striking 80-90% actually have anything to do with the prior 2 spins being 1,2 or 3,2? I don't think so.
Quote from: mattymattz on Jan 24, 04:22 PM 2013
LoL, was gonna post something like this... your betting on a dozen to appear in 3 spins... does the fact that it's striking 80-90% actually have anything to do with the prior 2 spins being 1,2 or 3,2? I don't think so.
See the livespins I've posted and you'll see the pattern...
More livespins to study the 123-Move
My simply Excel Tracker. You can manually put numbers or copy from archive set of numbers.
Quote from: Smoczoor on Jan 24, 05:28 PM 2013
My simply Excel Tracker. You can manually put numbers or copy from archive set of numbers.
Thanks! :)
This is better version :)
I played it now at DublinBet Table 2:
WWWLLLWLWWWWWLWWWLWLWLWWLWWLLLWLWWWWWL
24/38 = 63% Winrate
This was a real bad session in my opinion, fist because 3 losses in a row should be rare, also lose-rate is pretty high. Even though I had a very bad session, it's clear that you'll win more than you lose.
Another short session: DublinBet Table 1
WWWWLWWWW
THIS is more like a session should look like! More testing tomorrow. (I must get some sleep)
gnite!
New session at DublinBet Table 1 (played just now)
WWLWWWWWLWW
This is what I'm talking about. This is what a normal session should look like. 9/11= 82% winrate.
I explain more about the way I play and the progression later (and I do a longer session) Right now I have some things to do. bbl!
Tested Dublinbet 100 spins, 60% hit rate.
Main conclusion... avoid dealer with alot of repeaters...
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 25, 06:26 AM 2013
Tested Dublinbet 100 spins, 60% hit rate.
Main conclusion... avoid dealer with a lot of repeaters...
Yes, I was very unlucky on Table 2 at DublinBet. (This was my first session posted here 63% winrate) But even in the worst cases this system wins more than it loses. That's my experience anyway
How you play it? Bet doz for 3 spins with progression etc?
This strategy is based on a very frequent pattern I found on the live-wheel. it's dozens hit in sequence 1,2,3 or 3,2,1.
(Note. This is not ordinary dozens on the carpet. It's dozens on the livewheel)
A random session taken from livespin5
LWWWWWLWLLWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWLWLWWWWLWWWWLWWWWWWLLLWLLWWWWWWWWWWL
As you can see winrate is high. 51/66= 77% winrate.
This is how I play it: Wait for trigger doz 1,2 movement then bet doz 3 for 3 spins OR trigger doz 3,2 then bet doz 1 for 3 spins. (this is one session)
Progression +1 progression after 1 session of 3 spins, +1 bet if next session of 3 spins is lost and so on until hit. Progression reset after 2 sessions in a row is won.
Bankroll needed: I would say enough money to cover 3 losses in a row (this is a worst case scenario) a LLL-session calculating with 12 chips =doz 1 bet (doz 2 bet is 9 units)
So, to cover a LLL-session 12+12+12+12*2+12*2+12*2+12*3+12*3+12*3= 216 units is needed.
This can be easily played at real casinos, just write this down on a piece of paper (and notice the sequence, and you'll know when to bet) This is based on the Real European Wheel:
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,5,8,10,11,16,20,23,24,30,33,36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
Only tested with trigger and bet for 1 spin.
in 200 spins, biggest gap, if i would have progression is 7 spins.
Dublinbet table1, now looks like 2 days in a row they weaked the table/wheel, in todays tweaks i recorder alot of Zeros and repeaters... more then normally
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 25, 08:35 AM 2013
Only tested with trigger and bet for 1 spin.
in 200 spins, biggest gap, if i would have progression is 7 spins.
Dublinbet table1, now looks like 2 days in a row they weaked the table/wheel, in todays tweaks i recorder a lot of Zeros and repeaters... more then normally
OK, but 60% hitrate is very low playing this. Try the way i play it? OR if you find a better way let me know your result
cheers
Quotei recorder a lot of Zeros and repeaters... more then normally
So play repeaters! Never one system make you really rich
It's easy - when you come to table with system and it doesn't work because of something you have to flow with current situation on table. You must know not one but few different systems...
If you seen the livespins I posted you should notice this 123-pattern (and 321-pattern) everywhere? Normally winrate is something like 70%-75% a really bad session is ~60% in any case it's a winner.
Have you tried playing it Smoczoor?
Post your results! :)
I test my flat-bet methods now...
I will test your promising method in weekend and i will post results :)
Alright :)
I just used the xls for test.
Look for 12 or 32 and mark green of the next 1 is a hit and red if not.
The 60% i gave was only 1 bet after the trigger.
I made light green marks on hit with 4 bets max. this gives a close to 80% hit rate
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 25, 10:09 AM 2013
I just used the xls for test.
I made light green marks on hit with 4 bets max. this gives a close to 80% hit rate
Great you see that it works! Told you so! ;D
It only "bloody works" ;D
Keep testing ,they call these bets suicide bumers,sooner or later the shit will hit the fan.
Quote from: warrior on Jan 25, 12:02 PM 2013
Keep testing ,they call these bets suicide bumers,sooner or later the shit will hit the fan.
You haven't even seen the pattern or played it, so how can you have an opinion of something you don't know nothing about?
Maybe I am testing this progression wrong. Going through an entire 3 spin attack at one bet level until a win and then upping the bet by 1 unit on the next attack.
I am on an American wheel so I split the wheel up into 2-13 number sectors and 1 12 number sector (dozen...I guess the first two are bakers dozens on an American wheel)
Be careful citing win rates...a bunch of W's all look great...and a W is certainly preferable to a L. But...
A W on the first spin of the attack wins (let's say I am on my 13 number sector) is +23, a win on the second spin is +11...but a Win on the third spin is -1. And these numbers are doubled or trebled on subsequent attacks following a loss.
I did a super quickie test from some live numbers on an American wheel yesterday. It went WWWLLW...like I said super quickie...I will test further as this is statistically insignificant in the scheme of things but the point I am making is regarding the wins and recovery ability.
Win - 2nd spin +11
Win - 1st spin +23 +34overall
Win - 1st spin +23 +57overall
Loss -39 +18 overall
Loss -78 -60 overall
Win - 3rd spin -3 -63 overall
A win is not necessarily a win and some wins are better than other wins...obviously. But the WWWLLW string doesn't accurately illustrate the effects on bankroll.
4 Wins in 6 decisions... but a late win following a loss... or in this case 2 consecutive losses leave you in a real dilemma regarding recovery (4 of 6 is a 66.7% win rate)
I would pay attention to Warrior's comments...keep testing to be sure before you put real money on this. There may be some tweaks or other rules that need applied in order to help drawdowns or recovery. This is essentially grouping of wheel segments or clusters into larger groups.
An approach that may be worth looking at is to look at a "dozen" that has slept for a significant period of time and then play it for a few spins after it awakes. Using wheel sectors instead of the felt would make this more plausible theoretically than the same strategy in traditional felt based dozens or column play.
I will test further...those are just early comments off the top of my head with 15 minutes involved in testing and typing.
Maybe a positive progression on wins??? If a method has a tendency to really string together long win streaks positive progressions could also be an answer and then drop back after x amount of wins depending on the testing results....test, test, test. It will settle itself out in enough time and enough analyzed spins.
Thanks for your ideas RouletteKEY ! :)
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 25, 12:52 PM 2013
Maybe I am testing this progression wrong.
Win - 2nd spin +11
Win - 1st spin +23 +34overall
Win - 1st spin +23 +57overall
Loss -39 +18 overall
Loss -78 -60 overall
Win - 3rd spin -3 -63 overall
This is because
two wins in a row is required before reset progression
I think the positive progression idea was a very good idea :)
This is how I tested it.
I qualified the trigger 1,2...now play 3rd dozen. Or 3,2...now play the 1st dozen
So I play one unit each on 12 or 13 numbers as the wheel breaks out.
I play 1 unit each for the first three spins...if I win...I end the attack...if I lose three spins in a row I wait for a new trigger and now play 2 units on each number...if that loses three consecutive spins I then place 3 units on each number after a third trigger qualifies itself and play for up to three spins or until a win.
So if I win on the first spin of the first attack I win 35 units and lose 11 or 12, depending on whether I am betting on the 1st dozen which in my case has 13 numbers or the 3rd dozen which has 12 numbers in my American wheel configuration.
So let's assume I am betting on the first dozen that has 13 numbers...I win 35...but lose the other 12, giving me a net win of +23. If I lose the first bet of the attack I am down 13...then assuming I win the second bet placed on the first attack I win 35 because I am still at a one unit bet but have lost the remaining 12 on this bet plus the 12 from the previous lost bet...net result of a 2nd spin win on the first attack now becomes...+11. And then of course if the first attack goes to the third spin I have already lost 26 units...suppose I win 35...but still lose the other 12 placed bets on that spin. So I am now +23 for the spin...but because I was down 26 before placing the bet...this win actually has my bank down by -3 net. Assuming I am betting on the other dozen that actually has a dozen numbers in it the numbers are slightly different by 1 unit per spin.
I don't understand where there is a re-set after a second win I guess. What am I re-setting from and what am I re-setting to?
Am I missing something...all the W's you post in your string...are they all 1st spin Wins? Because otherwise you would have to re-illustrate your W-L string. As an example a 3rd spin win on a third attack after two complete losing attacks would look like this LLL - LLL - LLW. Instead of what I am presuming you are illustrating as LLW (the cumulative result of each attack without regard to actual profitability)
It makes a HUGE difference how this works out. All first spin wins...great...but any second and particularly third spin wins...especially after a losing attack...creates some money management issues that need to be considered.
Like I said...maybe I am missing some vitally important aspect here.
Yes, And the part you've missed: Two sessions in a row must be won before reset. OR one win within the first two spins (one session is 3 spins) That's the way this progression works! (That's the way I play it)
You reset back to 1 unit after WW (two sessions) is won.
ignatus
Let me understand what you mean by a "win rate".
I get 1,2 and I bet for 3. I bet 3 times. Are you saying that you will win that three-bet trial X% of the time?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 25, 02:45 PM 2013
ignatus
Let me understand what you mean by a "win rate".
I get 1,2 and I bet for 3. I bet 3 times. Are you saying that you will win that three-bet trial X% of the time?
Sam
Yes, that's right
One session is 3 spins. A win within 3 spins is a win.
Winrate I calculate number of sessions won
But this can be played differently: with positive progression as mentioned by RouletteKEY (very good idea since winrate is high)
Another idea is cut progression to 2 steps (another idea by RouletteKEY)
I'd be happy if you post your results playing this!
Well, it's as good or better than any of the junk I post.
I'll give it a whirl.....
Sam
123, 321....not 231 or 213 then?
Quote from: rolf-harris on Jan 25, 02:52 PM 2013
123, 321....not 231 or 213 then?
Yes, that should be logical, have I missed something here?? :D
Perhaps you're right, (you should be right?) the wheel is round and the 231 is the same pattern/movement. aswell the 213-move
I'll study these movements and report back!
Thanks!
100 new spin test.. that would be 100% hit rate, max 3 steps before hit.
Would have made 220 units.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 25, 03:31 PM 2013
100 new spin test.. that would be 100% hit rate, max 3 steps before hit.
Would have made 220 units.
Very good! ;D
You are right rolf harris! THANKS! ;D
These are my results (see attachment, playing from beginning, all these spins): it's the same movement, same pattern
123-move: LWLLWWWWWWWWLWWLWLWWWWLLWW Winrate 18/26 = 69%
321-move: WWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWLWWLWWWLLW winrate 20/26 = 77%
231-move: WWLWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL winrate 23/26 = 88%
213-move: LWLWWWWWLWLWWWLWWWLLWWLWLW winrate 17/26 = 65%
Average winrate: 75%
I've been thinking of another twek now: Playing 4 spins (not three), using rouletteKEY's idea 2+2 spins
Progression +1 after 2 spins (stop after 4 spins) So, now one session is 4 spins.
This would decrease losing rate even more. (hopefully?)
OR else use positive progression
I'd like to have ideas how the positive progression would look like playing this?
Ignatus...have you tested this with a flat bet?
I always test methods on a flat basis and if it holds up well then consider a progression simply to maximize return or maybe take a little down-side away with a stop-loss.
I'm not sure a 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3 or in this case a 12-12-12-24-24-24-36-36-36 progression gets you where you wanna be on the profitability. I play a small amount of numbers so I am not as well versed as many on the forums regarding dozens bets but it just seems like a 9 step 3 tiered progression from my admittedly brief testing seems like it would leave you vulnerable. You are depending on first spin wins to be viable.
Do you have a breakout regarding what percentage of wins (on a statistically significant number of real spins) come on the first spin, second, third, (and I am presuming you would have numbers for 4th, 5th and so on...but that's why you stopped at a 3 spin attack)?
I'll let you guys that play lots of numbers tinker with this but I think this ends up with you tracking your dozens as you've charted and then waiting for a hit after 9-15 consecutive misses and then playing a true dozens progression divided out onto the 12 or 13 numbers in play for x amount of spins (that number of spins would be developed thru testing as to where maybe 65%-75% of successful attacks in this method hit) and then stopping after say 4 spins or whatever that number is...then picking up the next step of the progression after the next trigger assuming you hit a stop-loss. If I were playing this type of method I think that is the direction I would head...if it works for me using 3-4 numbers it should translate towards 12-13.
Obviously you then have to look at how many losses in a row would that stop-loss regularly encounter on a session basis to determine your overall progression or whether you only play after a loss, only play after a win within x amount of spins....the trigger possibilities go on and on and on...you get the drift I'm sure.
If you are solid on your bet selection...I think you will end up working on the progression and style of play...maybe go to a traditional dozens progression and play for 2 spins each trial or play the 2nd and third spins if the first doesn't win...don't know...your testing will be the basis for all that... That's just the way I see it as a non-dozens or not playin alot of numbers kinda guy lookin' from the outside in.
Just for the record...I hate the idea of thinking I've "won" when I have 11 or 12 losing bets on a victory...just a snide remark I had to throw out there based on my aformentioned fondness of not playing a ton of numbers...just sayin' I know everybody likes a big strikerate...but a decent strikerate on just a couple numbers fattens the wallet
OK Thanks for your ideas RouletteKEY. I need more people testing this and find out the best way to play it.
Positive progression was a great idea, but could you explain how you'd play it?
I will do some more test during the weekend, if we have the same results on paper i can code it for my bot.
Can run recent 35000 live spins now. I can report the amount of wins per step in progression.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 25, 04:12 PM 2013
I will do some more test during the weekend, if we have the same results on paper i can code it for my bot.
Can run recent 35000 live spins now. I can report the amount of wins per step in progression.
Great idea! I look forward to your results!
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 25, 04:07 PM 2013
OK Thanks for your ideas RouletteKEY. I need more people testing this and find out the best way to play it.
Positive progression was a great idea, but could you explain how you'd play it?
Off the top of my head...how many W's the way you track normally string together? Are you running 7 average? ...let's just say you are for this.
Do say... less than 10% of average win streaks that run 7 last less than 3? So 90% of wins starting after a loss will get you a string of 3 consecutive wins...something along those lines
Assuming that...and only ALOT of testing proves out whatever the real numbers are.
Parlay the wins from early attacks into the subsequent attacks...but stop short of your average win streak (in this case parlay the wins from a 1st attack into your second attack bets and then the cumulative from that into the 3rd)...Stop early in the string by a decent amount so you have a better than average chance of achieving it to completion...then start over. Don't try to milk every single dime out of it and end up losing a nice profit trying to be too greedy. Pigs get fat...but hawgs get slaughtered.
If I played a dozen numbers I would play it something like that...but I don't see me playing a dozen numbers because I can't get past losing 11 bets on a victory and playing that many numbers is very difficult to recover from when you get down and every method...even the great ones...have drawdowns...but that's just me.
Work on the bet selection and get it ironed out...then go to money management...then test some more...then consider playing it...my two cents
Alright :)
I will play this now using all possible moves: 123, 321, 231, 213 (these are the ones im playing, they belong to the same category) Same pattern
Lol...what about 132.....
Might as well throw in 312 as well....I'm sure they will all work the same..
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 25, 12:40 PM 2013
You haven't even seen the pattern or played it, so how can you have an opinion of something you don't know nothing about?
I already have 10 years ago. :yawn:
Quote from: warrior on Jan 25, 05:33 PM 2013
I already have 10 years ago. :yawn:
Stop lying this is just bulls***
You can speculate it won't work.
That's just wrong.
Facts are different from fiction.
Take a short look at the patterns reccuring all over (see livespins I've posted) OR Play it, you'll see
Quote from: rolf-harris on Jan 25, 05:19 PM 2013
Might as well throw in 312 as well....I'm sure they will all work the same..
This is
not the same pattern, it doesn't belong or make any sense
Why not...? 312 is just a backwards 213 ( which you agreed works ).
The same as 321 is a backwards 123.
This way you've got all bases covered and you can't have anyone saying " Ah, but you should have had this combination or that combination............"
You can't go wrong if you've got the lot.
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 25, 06:35 PM 2013
Stop lying this is just bulls***
You can speculate it won't work. That's just wrong.
Facts are different from fiction.
Take a short look at the patterns reccuring all over (see livespins I've posted) OR Play it, you'll see
[/qWell you keep testing ,better yet go play for real let me know,you keep changing rules,bet for 3 spins ,now bet for 4spins ,ok viper you let me know ,when those 15 in row repeaters show up .
The patterns are only what you want to see.ILLUSION
Quote from: warrior on Jan 25, 07:46 PM 2013
The patterns are only what you want to see.ILLUSION
This is not true
same pattern
312: WwLWWWWWWWWWLWWWLWWLWWLWWL Winrate 20/26 = 77%
132: LLWWLWWLWWLWWWLWWWWWLWLLLW winrate 16/26= 62%
On how many tested spins Ignatus you are proving this? I bet no more then few hundreds..
Well the thing is no matter what you do, no matter what pattern you create, no matter with which odds, no matter wheel or carpet based one thing will be for sure.
They will all be "exposed" to perfectly same possible deviations in random (for deviations in spheres of roulette of course), which is actualy biggest problem in roulette, not house edge as many think-you wouldnt give a thing for zeros striking if your max losing streak would be enough to overcome it with progression before touching table limits.
That is mathematical fact
Cheers
Drazen
Drazen -You can speculate, but you haven't played it so you don't know.
This was one Live session playing with all the combinations of the same 123-pattern/move: 132,321,213,231,312,132
WWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWLLWWWLWLWWWWWWWL
Many others and me have tested it in the past and it doesn't work, but we have to play it for real money and then will work :-*
Ahh I knew I didn't understood enough around roulette... With this I do. Thanks.
Cheers
Drazen
So after all the "patterns" talk this is simply any sector that has slept for two spins is bet for three spins with a progression.
Trebor
Apologies if I've got this all wrong but aren't you basically betting for the furthest back sector, or "dozen" as you call them. These are live spins I recorded while playing another system. The 2nd area slept for 25 spins! If I'm playing it how I think you are suggesting wouldn't that be 16 losses in a row?
23333131331133113313133111211232233221
23 trigger to bet for 1 - 3 hits. 331 trigger to bet for 2 - 3 hits. 1 trigger to bet for 2 - 3hits. 31 trigger to bet for 2 - 3 hits etc
T=trigger spin, L=loss
23T3331T3T1T3T31T13T31T13T31T3T1T3T31T112T1T12T32233221
L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L W
Again, sorry if I've misunderstood how you are playing but this seems to be what you are saying here:
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 26, 04:49 AM 2013
same pattern
312: WwLWWWWWWWWWLWWWLWWLWWLWWL Winrate 20/26 = 77%
132: LLWWLWWLWWLWWWLWWWWWLWLLLW winrate 16/26= 62%
Roughy
Yes it was discussed on the other board...what about a sleeping dozen? It happens all the time and that kills this...just like it kills every other method that bets on a dozen waking up that doesn't.
What about all the third spin wins that with the 1,1,1 progression that aren't really wins to the bankroll?
It takes 3 second spin wins to cover one loss...so that means you need a 75% win rate (not counting 3rd spin wins which are breakeven at best) if just looking at 2nd spin wins to break even.
It's tough to gauge effectiveness when you don't have an accurate running bankroll. My super quick test had a 67% win rate but was in a significant net loss against bankroll.
Just some questions that need to be addressed either by rules, progression changes or major ovehaul to make it a long-term player....otherwise you're just hoping for some plain old fashioned luck.
Actually, re-reading your posts I think I did have things wrong, wasn't betting for 3 spins (or 4 as you changed it to later). However, playing as I think you are playing, results are even worse. 17 losses for 3 spins and 19 losses for 4 spins
23T3331T31331T1331T1331T31331T112
LLL LLL LLL LLL LLL LLW
23T3331 31T3311 331T1331 31T3311 12T1123
LLLL LLLL LLLL LLLL LLLW
Roughy
Wheel dozen numbers with all possible splits
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
I think it's strange some people saying this won't work, yada yada yada... ??
These result speak for themselves. One session played just now at DublinBet Table 1:
(Betting on all possible "123-patterns": 132, 321, 213, 231, 312, 132)
LWWLWWWWLWLWWWWWLWLWWWWWLLWWWW Winrate 22/30 = 73%
So, please stop talking s**t about something you have no idea about! Something you never seen (the patterns reccuring) and something you have never played!
Thank you
What you are failing to understand is that your 12 numbers are no different to any others. All you're doing is playing a dozen after two misses, hoping for a hit within 5 spins.
You don't think most of us here haven't tried this a thousand times before?
The expectations of this fall in line with any dozen bet and as such will fail miserably
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 26, 08:17 AM 2013
What you are failing to understand is that your 12 numbers are no different to any others. All you're doing is playing a dozen after two misses, hoping for a hit within 5 spins.
You don't think most of us here haven't tried this a thousand times before?
The expectations of this fall in line with any dozen bet and as such will fail miserably
Well,
you have never played it. So, you
cannot have a true opinion if it's working or not!
Show some real results before talking s**t, please.
That would make things a lot easier.
Well I see you have some knowledge in coding because you have published few trackers in excel and something in VB if I am not wrong? Hat off to that.
So how come you can't code simulation to run on larger number of spins, but testing one by one on hand, to get true picture?
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 26, 08:10 AM 2013
So, please stop talking s**t about something you have no idea about! Something you never seen (the patterns reccuring) and something you have never played!
Neither have you! Come back and tell us all how wrong we are when you have actually played for
real money!
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 26, 08:23 AM 2013
Show some real results before talking s**t, please
I did!
I give up Ig. I (and many many others) have tried to help, advise, warn, tweak etc etc etc and all you do is either call us liars or say we are talking s**t.
I wish you nothing but good luck.
Roughy
Yes? Because you argue against it when you haven't tried it!
European Wheel dozens
Tested 200 live spins, very hard start, but 200 spin got 220 units won.
4 step progression, 1,1,2,3
3 Lost
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 26, 01:02 PM 2013
Tested 200 live spins, very hard start, but 200 spin got 220 units won.
4 step progression, 1,1,2,3
3 Lost
3 losses in 200 spins?! Not bad! ;D
+1000 from this live session at DublinBet. (I played less than an hour)
1000 units?
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 26, 01:40 PM 2013
Yes. :) I started with 4900
If the man was the liar he's accused of being, he would have said he started with 1,000 units--which is what Dublin gives you to start. No more!
Someone should ask how he got from the original 1,000 to over 6,000.
Geez, can't we give this fellow a break?
Sam
Yes, that was the amount. I'm going to play and win 1000 more, just to prove my point. ;D
Would be great if more people could share their results.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 26, 08:17 AM 2013
What you are failing to understand is that your 12 numbers are no different to any others. All you're doing is playing a dozen after two misses, hoping for a hit within 5 spins.
You don't think most of us here haven't tried this a thousand times before?
The expectations of this fall in line with any dozen bet and as such will fail miserably
Buff
You and have never locked horns (pun very much intended! ;D ) so bear with me.
There is a vast difference between the dozen 1-12 on the carpet and ANY 12 consecutive numbers on the wheel. How do I know this? It was a long suspicion of mine and I paid $110.00 of my own money for a programmer to write a program to test the theory. The software is private and I cannot share it and wouldn't if I could. It all goes back to Gamlet and his "fire" system.
Aside to the programmer: Please don't reveal this idea to anyone. I know you read this forum.More than this I will not say as it is my own idea and I don't feel the need to reveal it to anyone.
But I'll promise and guarantee you this: ignatus is on the right track.
He may fail, but give him the privilege of doing so.
Sam
when he said live session...... i thought he is playing with real money. :yawn:
Quote from: marvin on Jan 26, 02:25 PM 2013
when he said live session...... I thought he is playing with real money. :yawn:
I agree that real money is far more impressive, but in the testing phase he is wise to use # money.
Sam
If you are playing NOW, its a bet session at Dublinebet that table...
What units are you placing?
Hi Ignatus .. just to say I believe you are on the right track by following wheel movements.
That is the way I am going..trying to make sense of the wheel and not the layout.which is only for the placing of bets.
Now...if the numbers on the wheel went 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.....etc..that would be a different matter.
You just need to learn not to get riled up and arguing with folk when they try and give you advise.
If others are abusive and disrespectful towards you then its those people who will look bad.
Sam,
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this topic.
I don't mind Ignatus coming up with tons of systems -hell, look at my track record.
It's the way he introduces them and insists they are each a holy grail, berate everyone for not believing in him, and then faintly apologising a few days later when its crashed - that gets my goat.
But like you say, I'm leaving it there and give him the privilege
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 26, 01:40 PM 2013
Yes. :) I started with 4900
Okay...quick question
Started with 4900...I'm good with all that...up 1000units in less than an hour...now I have some questions
What progression are you playing?
How many spins did you get at Dublin in an hour?
Your last win shows a $360 win...assuming that means one number with $10 on it won...$350 win plus the $10 bet returned
What part of the base progression ever has a multiple of 10? Or since you're playing with monopoly money here are you playing a $10 base bet per number? Which would mean it was up 100 UNITS in less than an hour.
Based on the info I had (and maybe the method has morphed and I missed it) a first spin win wins about $23, a second spin wins collects about $11 and a third spin win is a zero net game or a very small loss. So you would need to be on an empty table at Dublin to get 50 spins in less than an hour...then you'd need to win almost every spin on the first spin...and you would never get to a $10 bet.
In order to even get that many bets placed you would literally have to have the dozens come in 1,2,3,2,1,2,3,2,1,2,3...and on and on and on so each trigger paid on the first spin and created another trigger that would subsequently win on the next spin...indefinitely.
I am assuming it is either fuzzy math here or a huge typo and it meant to say up 100 units of $10 each.
I agree with TCS that wheel dozens would be preferable to felt dozens...but I am pretty unconvinced that the way this was originally laid out would produce these numbers...although in less than an hour a super hot run is certainly possible...but very untypical if we are going to use it in an argument for a long-term player type method.
Things just aren't adding up in my head...like I said...assuming a big typo on the unit thing or I have missed a morph in style of play.
Sam...side note...anybody can get to a big number in play money at Dublin Bet quick...start with $1000 and just play high limit and bet the whole $1000 every spin...all it takes is a win or two betting $1000 to get you to $4900...just max out the bets in a single dozen and 1 hit and you're way over the top...play money balances are useless without a tracking histroy...one screenshot doesn't show anything except the last win amount and the starting point before that bet...just like what was illustrated here. On the flip side of that... Ignatus should be testing enough that he likely zeroes out a play account and starts over with each new method... I would think...maybe not...not really important in the scheme of things
I am tending to believe Drazen was onto something on another board
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 26, 04:06 PM 2013
Sam,
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this topic.
I don't mind Ignatus coming up with tons of systems -hell, look at my track record.
It's the way he introduces them and insists they are each a holy grail, berate everyone for not believing in him, and then faintly apologising a few days later when its crashed - that gets my goat.
But like you say, I'm leaving it there and give him the privilege
Well, Bwiz, I agree with that. I'd much rather see a thread start with...Now, this is interesting!...than a lot of hype. I'd also like to see a few things like.....Time will tell......rather than HG.
I can't count the times I thought I had the key to the vault! I learned to keep that thought in prison!
He will, too.
Sam
200 live spins, 1 unit bet, 4 progression steps.
2 losses, but 468 units won
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 27, 08:47 AM 2013
200 live spins, 1 unit bet, 4 progression steps.
2 losses, but 468 units won
WöW! Great! ;D
This will give me more inspiration to continue playing this system.
This is just an observation but, Spin4fun seems to be one hell of a fan of Ignatus's systems.
In the same way a friend or family member would be.
He can always be counted on for backup...that's for sure.
Well i try most of the system i see pass on this forum in someway.. if not to complicated to be tested with my both (thx to Proof).
I was looking at the wheel layout use of racetrack before.
And do far i had most success with this system.
Hi Roulletiers,
after buffalowizzard said : 12 number are 12 numbers , so there is no difference in betting.
It gave me thoughts if that would be true. So I just had to make a Excel sheet to compare and see if there actually would be a difference.
And what can I say..... There is !!
Ignatus movements
Max : +464u Min : -7u biggest drawdown : -168u longest loss session : 15
Wins : 111 Losses : 195
Compared to the regular Dozens 1,2,3
Max : +25 Min : -349 biggest drawdown : -324u longest loss session : 9
Wins : 97 Losses : 230
See file attached.
To me , Ignatus has done some thinking. And he does a lot of it. I hope he doesn't give up....
In every method he produces there might be a little winning method, or even give us a new idea we haven't come up with, or add our idea to it......
Ray
I'm glad those results turned out if favour of wheel based systems.
Layout systems can only be used and studied when dealing with randomness.
And the wheel with physics.
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 27, 11:16 AM 2013
Hi Roulletiers,
after buffalowizzard said : 12 number are 12 numbers , so there is no difference in betting.
It gave me thoughts if that would be true. So I just had to make a Excel sheet to compare and see if there actually would be a difference.
And what can I say..... There is !!
Ignatus movements
Max : +464u Min : -7u biggest drawdown : -168u longest loss session : 15
Wins : 111 Losses : 195
Compared to the regular Dozens 1,2,3
Max : +25 Min : -349 biggest drawdown : -324u longest loss session : 9
Wins : 97 Losses : 230
See file attached.
To me , Ignatus has done some thinking. And he does a lot of it. I hope he doesn't give up....
In every method he produces there might be a little winning method, or even give us a new idea we haven't come up with, or add our idea to it......
Ray
Thanks rayhd63. Great work
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 26, 02:04 PM 2013
If the man was the liar he's accused of being, he would have said he started with 1,000 units--which is what Dublin gives you to start. No more!
Someone should ask how he got from the original 1,000 to over 6,000.
Geez, can't we give this fellow a break?
Sam
REMEMBER FEW YEARS BACK/before you took your guitar playing,and disappear from
those forums/HOW YOU SHOW THE FORUM HOW TO BUILD UP UNITS ON DB.....BET MAX.1000
ON THE DS,STREETS,SPLITS,CORNERS........AND IF YOU MISS,TAKE ANOTHER 1000 FREE,UNTILL YOU GET THE WINNER.
Hi Just played Demo on Dublin Bet table 1 using 123 & 321
Results WWLWWLLLLLLWWLLLL Started very well then died a death :(
Quote from: sturrock on Jan 27, 01:24 PM 2013
Hi Just played Demo on Dublin Bet table 1 using 123 & 321
Results WWLWWLLLLLLWWLLLL Started very well then died a death :(
Yes this will happen but you have to see it over like 200 spins, untill now all session where positive
One live session played just now at DublinBet +500.... I play with Spin4fun' 4-step bet 1,1,2,3
Thanks
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 27, 01:10 PM 2013
REMEMBER FEW YEARS BACK/before you took your guitar playing,and disappear from
those forums/HOW YOU SHOW THE FORUM HOW TO BUILD UP UNITS ON DB.....BET MAX.1000
ON THE DS,STREETS,SPLITS,CORNERS........AND IF YOU MISS,TAKE ANOTHER 1000 FREE,until YOU GET THE WINNER.
Yes, I thought of that. I hope he's not doing that.
+2000 total win today!!
Playing for 3 hours at DublinBet
I started with a bankroll 4000 (I've lost because I tried flatbetting with maximum bet wasn't so good!) Anyway now I played with spin4fun' progression 1,1,2,3. With betsize 4,4,6,8 (10) after that 10 units is maximum bet... Later I played progression 5,5,7,7,9,9 (10). (Not real money) Longest losing run 7-8 spins
Cheers 8)
just played it also with verry good results:
wl::llwl:::lllwwll:l:::wwl:lww
used a little bit more aggressive "improved d'alembert" 3-step-progression:
1-1-1 / 4-4-4 / 7-7-7 / 11-11-11 etc. (increase +4)
just quick-played these 50 coups - result +20
surprisingly i had bad results playing it for a couple of hundred coups with the "1-1-2-3"-4-step-progression.
losing one session of four spins means -7 units. i need 7 wins than to compensate that. getting two losses in a row
means already -14 units. of course there will be enough following winning streaks (hopefully ;)), but i think a little more aggressive
progression is helpful here.
i also tried "plus coup"-progression (+1 after win, same level when lose)
llwl::llwwlwwl::l:wwlwlwwll:l:ww
result +41
cheers
Quote from: rotaxt on Jan 28, 04:10 AM 2013
just played it also with verry good results:
wl::llwl:::lllwwll:l:::wwl:lww
used a little bit more aggressive "improved d'alembert" 3-step-progression:
1-1-1 / 4-4-4 / 7-7-7 / 11-11-11 etc. (increase +4)
just quick-played these 50 coups - result +20
surprisingly i had bad results playing it for a couple of hundred coups with the "1-1-2-3"-4-step-progression.
losing one session of four spins means -7 units. i need 7 wins than to compensate that. getting two losses in a row
means already -14 units. of course there will be enough following winning streaks (hopefully ;)), but i think a little more aggressive
progression is helpful here.
i also tried "plus coup"-progression (+1 after win, same level when lose)
llwl::llwwlwwl::l:wwlwlwwll:l:ww
result +41
cheers
Very Good! :)
Maybe best to wait till a dozen has not shown up for 5 spins and then bet on that..( with progression , of course )
Quote from: rolf-harris on Jan 28, 10:47 AM 2013
Maybe best to wait till a dozen has not shown up for 5 spins and then bet on that..( with progression , of course )
And were back to square one,first of all how many bets are placed with this system, not spins ,then you see what the bet is doing,he says the most he lost is 8 in a row,this to me is a normal 12 numbers bet ,keep testing in bets not spins ,you see it i will go to 15 in a row losses,and you use more money for inside bets .
maybe working with the wheel dozens will get better results than would on the layout .
May have a slight edge...
He will have to run some live spins through RX to see if this is viable..
Hi,
Want to try this system.
Will try only 123 and 321...
I don't understand something.
12 now I bet on wheel dozen 3 - four spins, progression 1 1 2 3, so first spin I bet 1 unit if I lose bet 1 unit and If I lose I bet 2 units and lose again 3 units per number right?
What happens IF I win on the first spin? I stop and wait or I still place bets for 3 spins?
Progression 1 1 2 3 is per attack or?
Thanks
Quote from: starkygold on Jan 28, 12:16 PM 2013
Hi,
Want to try this system.
Will try only 123 and 321...
I don't understand something.
12 now I bet on wheel dozen 3 - four spins, progression 1 1 2 3, so first spin I bet 1 unit if I lose bet 1 unit and If I lose I bet 2 units and lose again 3 units per number right?
What happens IF I win on the first spin? I stop and wait or I still place bets for 3 spins?
Progression 1 1 2 3 is per attack or?
Thanks
Yes, that's right. You reset progression when win: Start over with 1 unit bet
Thanks!
Eight step progression for 12 numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14
+1000 won!
At DublinBet 1-2 hours play
This was a session over 3 days. (I haven't played much, really) first i won 500, then 500, then lost 400 (dangerous progression, yes) now I won 400. Works good even with a short progression that I use 1,1,2,3,(4): My Bet: 2,2,4,6,8 (10) at DublinBet. If you lose 7-8 spins, BR -400-500 etc
cheers 8)
Coded the system into my bot.
First test, 500 spins, start balance, 500, end 1124... playing 0.5 units stress test with 10 step progression.
Max needed 8 steps
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 29, 09:02 AM 2013
Coded the system into my bot.
First test, 500 spins, start balance, 500, end 1124... playing 0.5 units stress test with 10 step progression.
Max needed 8 steps
Thanks for testing! :)
8748 spins... -11 from 500
but this is just continuous play
This is it...
8 step marti progression.
500 units become 21143 :xd: in 2197 spins
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 29, 10:27 AM 2013
This is it...
8 step marti progression.
500 units become 21143 :xd: in 2197 spins
yea but what about
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 29, 09:27 AM 2013
8748 spins... -11 from 500
but this is just continuous play
when you run it through those 8748 spins what is the end result then?
I just tuned in to dublin, thought ok i will try again first time 10 losses in a row, now 11 in a row wins on the 12,no different the any other 12 number bet sorry :(
I just was testing my bot on dublinbet, and yes, last hr does not correspond with i had logged last 5 days on spins.
Table is hot with repeaters.. not good for this strategy.
Maybe need to test playing hottest column...
Here try this ,DEALERS HAND PRINT,not foot they don't use there feet :LoL: ,wait for a dealer change,then begin the first 2 numbers beside each other or a repeat ,ex 0 26 start betting, or 8 8,for 6 spin or until you hit won't take to long we hope :twisted: ,once you hit wait again unitl that happens ,with in 30 mins of play you will hit at least 3 time.ALL MOST FORGOT when 2 numbers beside each other repeat ,means there starting there auto pilot mode so pay attention there getting bored One more thing when you see this ex. 8 28 8 or any pattern like this start betting ,this happens a lot in this game you say what do we bet ,bet on the 8 and all there friend around them up to 12 numbers or less, this one abandon after 3 losses .
9-Step progression (0.5 chips bet) DublinBet
0,5 - 0,5 - 1 - 1,5 - 2,5 - 4 - 5,5 - 8,5 - 10
+500 won using this progression!
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW 100% winrate
ignatus
I've been off on a bot safari and missed a few of your posts. Are you still using the 1 2 bet for 3; 3 2 bet for 1 system? Or did you "tweak" it?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 30, 08:29 AM 2013
ignatus
I've been off on a bot safari and missed a few of your posts. Are you still using the 1 2 bet for 3; 3 2 bet for 1 system? Or did you "tweak" it?
Sam
I play all patterns: 123, 321, 231, 213, 132, 312 (These are all possible 123-moves)
Thanks!
Here are my results testing my own actuals (live spins)
until now i have tested 150 sessions (about 6800 spins).
I play only 123 or 321.
Progression 1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ..... etc. When win within 4 spins i reset to 1 if win after 5 bets i wil bet -2 and try to win 2 in a row and reset if i have recoverd (full or almost full).
From session 61 the spins per session are less then the previous 60 sessions, because when i recorded the spins i was testing a other system that requierd less spins. You can see that if you use less spins you sometimes have not enough spins to recover. But the opposite could also happen (a realy bad losing streak).
I suggest a BR of 1000 units (this is stop-loss) and a lifetime BR of 5 times a session BR.
Until now i have + 12756 units within 150 sessions (6881 spins). I have attached the graph and profit /loss and max. drawdown per session.
So far it goes pretty good 8)
peauke useing which casino?
I made a test on my 2 live casinos. but over the long run it ends in a loss, the highest sleep was 22 times.
So it can happen, my recorded sleep for table dozen is 24.
These are actuals from William Hill.
longest sleeping wheel dozen i have seen was 23 spins but that session ended in plus.
RNG or Live?
Ignatus, do you think the results would be better just playing the last 2 wheel dozen spun?
Quote from: soggett on Jan 30, 12:15 PM 2013
Ignatus, do you think the results would be better just playing the last 2 wheel dozen spun?
No, The 123-move I discovered analyzing some livespins (see the earlier post)
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 30, 12:57 PM 2013
No, The 123-move I discovered analyzing some livespins (see the earlier post)
yes, i read that, but maybe this would work better if you went after the "hot" dozens instead of the "cold"?
or maybe just the last to hit?
in your results so far would this be a better choice?
Quote from: soggett on Jan 30, 01:22 PM 2013
yes, i read that, but maybe this would work better if you went after the "hot" dozens instead of the "cold"?
or maybe just the last to hit?
in your results so far would this be a better choice?
You have the livespins posted. I don't think this would give a higher hitrate. ?
The 123 pattern is very frequent. It's not my "invention" it's a pattern i saw reccuring very freqvently.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 30, 12:04 PM 2013
RNG or Live?
live spins only. I prefer to stay away from RNG
Quote from: peauke on Jan 30, 01:46 PM 2013
live spins only. I prefer to stay away from RNG
ok which casino then?
I have spins of 2 live casinos, but both are negative on + 5000 spins
like i said all sessions and spins are from William Hill live casino.
my sessions are from 20 spins to 300 spins.
Oeps sorry, yeah... my fault :-\
no problem ;)
I still need to check 150 sessions ( about 4000 spins). I update every 50 sessions.
+500 won!!
Playing less than 2 hours at DublinBet
I used progression for 12 numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
I played: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9
Incredible.... :ooh:
This is all great, but it would be nice to have some losing results posted ,what is longest losing run,its always the wins that are posted,makes no sense.
Quote from: warrior on Jan 31, 10:38 AM 2013
This is all great, but it would be nice to have some losing results posted ,what is longest losing run,its always the wins that are posted,makes no sense.
7-8 spins without hit at most I've seen
This a test in my bot with 10000 spins, recent spins.
The overall result is negative, and that's only from 6 bad sessions in last 2 days.
There where 924 triggers to play, and then there is a count for each spin, so the furthest is 17 sleeps before hit
10 step progression played, only 123 or 321
and looking for trigger is stopped 6 spins before planned dealer change
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 31, 11:30 AM 2013
This a test in my bot with 10000 spins, recent spins.
It cannot be tested like that.
This method is for live-wheels, not random generated numbers.
123-Pattern will form very often, and hits are very frequent. Longest losing run 7-8 spins.
Ignatus,
You should be thanking Spin. He's obviously put a lot of effort into getting the results. Don't let the negative results cloud your judgement. Just accept it mate, Long run, it's a loser. We've all been there
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 31, 11:30 AM 2013
This a test in my bot with 10000 spins, recent spins.
The overall result is negative, and that's only from 6 bad sessions in last 2 days.
There where 924 triggers to play, and then there is a count for each spin, so the furthest is 17 sleeps before hit
10 step progression played, only 123 or 321
and looking for trigger is stopped 6 spins before planned dealer change
Now thats what im talking about some negative results,more real ,now lets try to build a stratagie on that. :P
Quote from: warrior on Jan 31, 10:38 AM 2013
This is all great, but it would be nice to have some losing results posted ,what is longest losing run,its always the wins that are posted,makes no sense.
I posted my results (page 5, post 123, ironically enough!) and got told I was talking bull. "Dozen" slept for 25 spins.
Quote from: Roughy on Jan 31, 12:36 PM 2013
I posted my results (page 5, post 123, ironically enough!) and got told I was talking bull. "Dozen" slept for 25 spins.
I believe you :thumbsup:
Well same 10000 nbr, but a tweaked system.
3656 positive now, longer sleeps, but more bet triggers and wins overal.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jan 31, 01:25 PM 2013
Well same 10000 nbr, but a tweaked system.
3656 positive now, longer sleeps, but more bet triggers and wins overal.
Good. In what way was it tweaked? You use livespins?
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 31, 01:31 PM 2013
Good. In what way was it tweaked? You use livespins?
Yes 2 casinos
Did you not get a PM?
ok
Hi Guys,
have a look at my Excel Tracker. Maybe there is a way to find answers you are looking for.
Just add your spins in the green col. C2:C601 or paste them in if you want.
Change your progression as you like in col. T
The setting on the progression is flatbet at the moment. You can change them to see what happens when you do.
It tracks any combination and it compares 123/321 to all combinations.
Should you find an error... don't let me know :wink:
Just kidding , let me know.... :-[
By now it looks fun and maybe the right progression does the right thing.
Ray
Thank you Ray!
Welcome O0
Here is a version where it tells you where to bet on :twisted:
Just add spins as they come in and in col. E it tells you where to bet on.
So if you want to try it as the spins come in (Dublin, BV, etc....)
Have fun......
Ray
I start to like this method and investet 50 Euro to BV.
Playing with 10 cents.
My Wingoal here is 200 units. During my play I made 2 mistakes by placing in the wrong DZ :-\
These where my numbers from BV while Playing :
[reveal]3
33
0
17
0
28
32
1
16
25
3
32
5
9
3
12
11
14
0
17
6
15
24
31
24
3
25
31
6
11
32
5
31
13
0
29
2
9
23
27
30
14
22
30
23
21
0
3
17
4
4
2
19
5
30
8
0
28
0
32
33
3
24
34
30
24
6
33
28
30
17
20
29
8
31
21
24
25
11
27
35
3
4
36
2
4
33
32
26
8
22
7
13
36
22
32
22
8
[/reveal]
Lets see where this will take me......
Ray
Look like we need to switch casino ;)
Any body a large set of BV spins?
I can test with my bot.
Played now and won +500 in less than 100 spins. (see file)
Tracker works good! Thanks
This method was not meant for RNG. Play at your on risk with RNG-roulette
The tracker is playing this a different way. (That I think is not the best way to play this strategy) To only bet once for every trigger is not how I play this: I bet for each trigger until hit.
Another way to play this is to use stoploss after 3-4 losses in a row. And in this case wait for virtual win before betting on a new trigger. (only wait for virtual win after 4 losses)
Well how should it be played then.
I can do all variations, but none until now stands 10000 spins.
QuoteThat I think is not the best way to play this strategy
Holy moses !!! !So I invested Million hours doing that lovely excel sheet for nothing :xd:
Ok. Once I started this , I will stick to it , and curios as I am I wanna know......
Looks like I have to try your method then.
QuoteLook like we need to switch casino ;)
You don't have to switch Casinos now. I had it run with Wiesbaden spins.
I just want to see how BV works with real money.....
Ray
ignatus,
it would be helpful if you post a perm of 50 numbers and show us the latest tweaks and how to bet
(wait after 4 losses and so on).
thank you.
Tweaks are bad!
OK, This is how I play: Stoploss no bet after four losses: (Wait for a virtual win after four losses). All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132) progression 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
13
31 Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
33 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
27 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
29 W Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
12
9
1 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
13 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
15
1
16
27 Stop
26 Virtual Win Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
20 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
19 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
28 W Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
36 W Trigger 2,3 - bet 1
6 W Trigger 3,1 - bet 2
29
36 W Trigger 1,2 -bet 3
13
8
20
8 Stop
8
4
32
4
3 Virtual win Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
36
1
7
4 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
33 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
28 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
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Now we end positive 500 to 1577 units.
Progression 10 steps, all straight numbers.
thank u ignatus :thumbsup:
got it.
I just played , and got +1008 UNITS Live and that is with real money !!!
To me , its unbelievable.......
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I started with 50 Euros and now I am at 209.03 euros playing with 10 cents. Thats +1590 units in one Day !!
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 01, 09:35 PM 2013
I just played , and got +1008 UNITS Live and that is with real money !!!
To me , its unbelievable.......
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I started with 50 Euros and now I am at 209.03 euros playing with 10 cents. that's +1590 units in one Day !!
Ray
Congratz!! I think you're the first person who dares to play this for real! :D And you played on RNG-roulette! Didn't know it worked on RNG, (with your style of play I got many losses playing live) Anyway great you won! ;D
OK run the 293 spins in my bot and its a nice set of nbrs. No long sleep/drag down.
So maybe a good RNG is more stable then a live casino... but we need more numbers ;)
I think a good advice playing this is using stoploss. No bets after 4 losses in a row, and wait for a virtual win before betting a new trigger
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 01, 09:35 PM 2013
I just played , and got +1008 UNITS Live and that is with real money !!!
To me , its unbelievable.......
Here the spins
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I started with 50 Euros and now I am at 209.03 euros playing with 10 cents. that's +1590 units in one Day !!
Ray
nice new tracker :thumbsup:
Played another session..... + 684 units
Endresult 274.80 Euros Total +2248 units +224,80 Euros
Wonder where this will go..... (99% will say "Back to 0.00 Euros", I know :thumbsup:
You all have a great weekend.
Ray
I would love to test this and may pay to have your sheet put in the bot.
Tell me this: Are you putting a progression in your sheet. If so, what does that look like?
Are you using a different progression? If so, what is that.
Sam
i guess its not for airball roulette...
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 02, 12:27 PM 2013
i guess its not for airball roulette...
This is what i try to warn you about, this is
wrong method of play. (only betting for each trigger once )
I do not recommend that trackerI've described they way I play it, bet each trigger until hit with progression and stoploss...
try that! Much better result.
This is how I play: Stoploss No bet after four losses: (Wait for a virtual win after four losses). All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)
progression 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
(Alternative progression +1)
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
OK. I will try that with the same numbers.
Tomorrow i will post a tracker that meets your betting criteria.
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 02, 01:50 PM 2013
Tomorrow i will post a tracker that meets your betting criteria.
That's very kind! Thanks.
Any reason why u bet same split numbers of the dozens? Why not bet all in straight?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 02, 12:27 PM 2013
i guess its not for airball roulette...
Do you h ave a large list of airbal spins, can test it on my bot.
On the orginal methode, with 4 step progress is slightly negative result.
With 10 steps progression is bit profit.
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 02, 03:33 PM 2013
Any reason why u bet same split numbers of the dozens? Why not bet all in straight?
Yes, I use to put 2 units on splits, so it's unnecessary.
QuoteI would love to test this and may pay to have your sheet put in the bot.
Tell me this: Are you putting a progression in your sheet. If so, what does that look like?
Are you using a different progression? If so, what is that.
Sam
You can change the progression as you like. What I do , after the Bankroll keeps getting down, I copy those numbers in a new sheet and change the progression to see which one works better. Then I stick with that new progression. Works fine on RNG till now.
Try it out for your self.....
Ray
QuoteThis is how I play: Stoploss No bet after four losses: (Wait for a virtual win after four losses). All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)
progression 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
Ignatus, you say wait after 4 losses. But your progression line goes to 8 spins ?!?
Or do you continue the progression after your virtual win ?!?
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And now ?!? Start with 1 ?!?
Ray
ok. edited smartlive session.
now +600 euro in 185 spins starting with 0,5 euro.
11 step progression. reached step 10 a few times.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 02, 04:27 PM 2013
Do you h ave a large list of airbal spins, can test it on my bot.
On the orginal methode, with 4 step progress is slightly negative result.
With 10 steps progression is bit profit.
You have airball spins on wiesbaden, as much as you want. There is even program from mr. Bayes here which can "glue" any consecutive wiesbaden spins into one session so you can test in larger spins sequence. So you get better idea.
Playing this way is not what will give you positive results unfortunately. But everyone to find that on its own obviously :question: :question: :question:
Cheers
Drazen
Thanks, Ray.
Made another attempt....
+503 units O0
Ray
@Sam
till now I used progression : 1-1-2-2-3-4-5-7-9-12-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
the highest was 9.
A very agressiv progression is 3-2-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
in some games you are verry high but also the dd. Have to set your stopploss....
This is my first session playing with real money
+380SEK from this session! (I started out with 360SEK)
I recommend +1 progression playing this: +1 bet Reset only if hit within the first four spins, if hit no after four spins reset progression only after another hit within 4 spins.
Progression: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.....Stoploss after 4 losses (and wait for virtual win)
I must admit this is my first time winning & making profits from roulette!
Hey Ignatus,
congratulation !!! Hope you win allot !!! :thumbsup:
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 03, 07:38 AM 2013
Hey Ignatus,
congratulation !!! Hope you win allot !!! :thumbsup:
Ray
Thanks! ;)
i have a question regarding that stop-loss-rule, i am not quite sure if i understanded it right:
let's say i begin a session, wait for 3,2 and start betting dozen 1 and lose 4 times in a row using progression 1-1-2-3 - now i don't bet anymore and wait (spin) so long until dozen 1 hits, for example after 5 more spins.
is it right that i now go on with that progression 4-5-6-7 betting again on dozen 1 for another max. 4 spins (reset when hitting)?
Update: +662 SEK Real money!
I'm not so convinced with progression. Here's why....
Using this system each bet is say 12 units.
Progression = 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 if you won on the 9th progression you would of spent 552 units and won back 432 making a 120 unit loss.
use the same example with flat betting you would of spent 108 units and won back 36 making a 72 unit loss.
I have had success with this system using only flat bets. I don't stop betting after 4 losses either, just keep going until a win.
Results
Total spins 1679 (taking 24 hours)
1 unit = 10c
Profit 140.60
5.86 Per hour
Quote from: DuffMiver on Feb 03, 08:56 AM 2013
I'm not so convinced with progression. Here's why....
Using this system each bet is say 12 units.
Progression = 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 if you won on the 9th progression you would of spent 552 units and won back 432 making a 120 unit loss.
use the same example with flat betting you would of spent 108 units and won back 36 making a 72 unit loss.
I have had success with this system using only flat bets. I don't stop betting after 4 losses either, just keep going until a win.
Results
Total spins 1679 (taking 24 hours)
1 unit = 10c
Profit 140.60
5.86 Per hour
Great! ;D
About the +1 progression:
1 win in 4 spin session after another hit is required before reset when using this progression. (or one hit within the first four spins)
good luck with this ignatus.
duffmiver - loving your user name!
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Feb 03, 09:06 AM 2013
good luck with this ignatus.
duffmiver - loving your user name!
yeah that's my other hobby :wink:
hey ignatus,
how would you play this: (wiesbaden table 2, 2013-01-02)
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could you explain the +1 prog and the reset on this example? thank you :thumbsup:
I know you did not ask me, but here is the numbers run through Ray's Excel just as they are; no stops.
Sam
Is this system American Wheel friendly?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 03, 09:59 AM 2013
hey ignatus,
how would you play this: (wiesbaden table 2, 2013-01-02)
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could you explain the +1 prog and the reset on this example? thank you :thumbsup:
OK: (prog=progression)
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Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 03, 10:12 AM 2013
Is this system American Wheel friendly?
The bets are for European Wheel Proof.
American wheel numbers haven't been done yet (divide the wheel into 3 sections....)
The system is based on a certain 123-pattern/movement and so it doesn't matter which wheel you play. It should be the same on any wheel.
Cheers
Im working in the tracker, but is weekend and im going out with family. Maybe tomorrow i have time to finish the work.
I will try to make suitable to multiple strategy of playing.
Please post ahead:
progression types
wheel table layout bets,
stop loss,
statistics,
graphs,
win goal,
amount of máx spins that tracker can handle.
Atm i handle to fit ignatus rules.
All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)
8 steps progression, (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21)
Stoploss after 4 losses in a row then wait for a virtual win and continue progression.
Now use this kind of bet ??? (it take time to code this)
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
Or just bet straigth up the dozen numbers?
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 03, 11:03 AM 2013
I'm working in the tracker, but is weekend and I'm going out with family. Maybe tomorrow i have time to finish the work.
I will try to make suitable to multiple strategy of playing.
Please post ahead:
progression types
wheel table layout bets,
stop-loss,
statistics,
graphs,
win goal,
amount of máx spins that tracker can handle.
Atm i handle to fit ignatus rules.
All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)
8 steps progression, (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21)
Stoploss after 4 losses in a row then wait for a virtual win and continue progression.
Now use this kind of bet ??? (it take time to code this)
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
Or just bet straight up the dozen numbers? yes, instead of 2 chips on split 0/2 you place one chip on 0 and one chip on 2 - easier
if you can add +1 on a loss and -2 on a win for a progression type choice that would be awesome
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 03, 11:03 AM 2013
I'm working in the tracker, but is weekend and I'm going out with family. Maybe tomorrow i have time to finish the work.
I will try to make suitable to multiple strategy of playing.
Please post ahead:
progression types
wheel table layout bets,
stop-loss,
statistics,
graphs,
win goal,
amount of máx spins that tracker can handle.
Atm i handle to fit ignatus rules.
All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)
8 steps progression, (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21)
Stoploss after 4 losses in a row then wait for a virtual win and continue progression.
Now use this kind of bet ??? (it take time to code this)
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
Or just bet straight up the dozen numbers?
It would be great if one can play with +1 progression. And stoploss after 4 spins (Wait for virtual win after 4 spins) To play with this progression: after 4 spins STOP and wait for virtual win. Next trigger bet progression do not reset until 2 hits in sequence. (one hit within 4 spins after another hit)
Thanks :)
Tested 10172 spins of BV.
It was going great first 6000 spins, nice build up to +5000 units.
After that dropped to 3000 and build up to + 4000, but frag down, in last 1000 spins.
However the result is +1200 units over a live casino...
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 03, 05:22 PM 2013
Tested 10172 spins of BV.
It was going great first 6000 spins, nice build up to +5000 units.
After that dropped to 3000 and build up to + 4000, but frag down, in last 1000 spins.
However the result is +1200 units over a live casino...
Can you explaine what you mean by live casino, i thought BV was rng.10172 spin on a live wheel well that would take a while .
Quote from: warrior on Feb 03, 05:43 PM 2013
Can you explaine what you mean by live casino, i thought BV was rng.10172 spin on a live wheel well that would take a while .
I was comparing the BV results to the test you can find a few pages back.
The live spin where captured in recent days.
Ignatus !!! or anybody else.....
I'm trying to figure out what the Progression vs. Wait is !!
You say progression 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 but then again you say stop after 4 losses !?!
So how would I play after 4 losses ?!?
Here is a killer session :
I played the Ignatus way and got -1908 and +48
The way I play and adapting to wait ater 4 losses I got -636 and +156
Would be nice if someone could check if I am right. (I hope not).....
Where is the Upload filed ?!? Can't find it !!! Or did I uploaded to much ??
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really bad session. :o
where are the numbers from? real table? rng? airball? random?
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 03, 06:41 PM 2013
Ignatus !!! or anybody else.....
I'm trying to figure out what the Progression vs. Wait is !!
You say progression 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 but then again you say stop after 4 losses !?!
So how would I play after 4 losses ?!?
Here is a killer session :
I played the Ignatus way and got -1908 and +48
The way I play and adapting to wait ater 4 losses I got -636 and +156
Would be nice if someone could check if I am right. (I hope not).....
Where is the Upload filed ?!? Can't find it !!! Or did I uploaded to much ??
Are you sure you playing the way i do? Not the way your tracker is made, betting on each trigger only once? and playing on RNG? Both these, and in combination is a road to disaster-
First:
Play on live-wheels only. This strategy was designed for livewheels (the 123-pattern)
Second: Use +1 progression and stoploss after 4 losses.
You bet each trigger until hit. This progression has already been explained? For an example trigger 1,2 - you bet 3. Now after 4 losses
Stop betting and wait for virtual win - That is, you Wait for doz 3 to hit before betting on a new trigger. And you start betting with 4 units (progression continue) 1,1,2,3...Furthermore. Now using +1 progression only reset (after 4 spins) if you get one hit, then another hit within four spins to be fully recovered. Most hits come within the first four spins, so you shouldn't worry.
That's the way I play anyway
Goodluck! 8)
Half my wingoal for today reached.+1600 SEK
(my wingoal is 1000 SEK/day)
About the +1 progression: After 4 losses in a row, I use to start next session with 5 unit bet. (not more than 5 units) Sometimes I have to start with 5 unit bet several times to get fully recovered and profit
There is something wrong, I cannot attach the picture ??
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Had some bad luck and lost 1000 SEK. Close to the edge, I had 200 SEK left, now i played myself upto 500 SEK.
Well, my mistake; using heavy progression combined with a bad streak was disaster.
To prevent this NOW, I play only progression five steps 1,2,3,4,5 IF lose, I accept the loss and start over (wait for a virtual win & new trigger) reset progression.
Better to accept some small losses, than using a dangerous progression that can get out of control
QuoteBetter to accept some small losses, than using a dangerous progression that can get out of control
Very good decision dear Ignatus!
I wish you Good Luck!
An Editoral
Where many make mistakes is switching horses during the race. They test for thousands of spins using X progression and Y method. Then in real play, they switch to Y progression and X method. Why test something over thousands of spins, find it works pretty well, and then change it in hopes of finding something better?
The play phase should be the continuation of the practice phase. A new method should send the player back to the practice arena.
Hear me now and believe me later.
Sam
...yes i really wish you Good Luck but i have to say it...
I think that this system sooner or later will collapse - i don't like heavy progression systems. I don't like also betting more than 4 numbers. I made thousand tests of thousands systems and the best FOR ME are systems based on flat betting and max bet 4 numbers.
I have few favourite systems and i master them. When one goes bad another goes very good. My task is found which one use and when switch them... Everyday I'm closer and my results are better. This systems are here on forum. They are based on hot numbers, repeaters, pockets. I think this is one of the right ways.
All i want to say you is that... i'm afraid progression systems. They are profitable long time but they needs only one bad run and all our dreams sank like Titanic...
There is something magical in roulette - when you are testing and developing system and when it looks good, you go happy to real table and everything goes bad and your system fails...
I developed few systems that passed 10k spins with profit but when i came to real table they fail after 10 session. It's strange but real. Now when i play flat bet it happens much less.
Yes, you are right. This system has proven to fail for me I won't be playing it anymore. I'm sorry i've failed again. And im very sad.,, :(
I lost 1900 SEK in a bad streak. Down to 200 SEK. Then won 500 SEK, finally lost it all. It went straight to hell. (total loss 360 SEK that was my fist deposit)
I was thinking to deposit more money, but I won't do the same mistake again.
I'm sorry. :(
Don't feel bad. You have a good idea, you're just going at it wrong.
On this thread, too, I cannot attach a screen shot.
What? What?
Sam
F..k!!!!!!!!!!
I'm really sorry to hear that...
Today you are feeling bad, but tomorrow, you should clear your mind and go ahead stronger! You discovered how taste defeat. On this war, defeat is normal thing. Stay calm, you have to belive that you can win. I belive in you, because you have heart to roulette.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 04, 10:09 AM 2013
Yes, you are right. This system has proven to fail for me I won't be playing it anymore. I'm sorry i've failed again. And I'm very sad.,, :(
I lost 1900 SEK in a bad streak. Down to 200 SEK. Then won 500 SEK, finally lost it all. It went straight to hell. (total loss 360 SEK that was my fist deposit)
I was thinking to deposit more money, but I won't do the same mistake again.
I'm sorry. :(
No need to apologise Ig. I'm sorry this didn't work out for you.
You are learning all the time and listening now too. You have some good ideas so keep putting them up here in notepad and let us all help and advise.
Cheers
Roughy
Ask yourself how you won all that play money and lost with real? Why did you not play at Dublin where you won the play money?
Don't give up!
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 04, 10:09 AM 2013
Yes, you are right. This system has proven to fail for me I won't be playing it anymore. I'm sorry i've failed again. And I'm very sad.,, :(
I lost 1900 SEK in a bad streak. Down to 200 SEK. Then won 500 SEK, finally lost it all. It went straight to hell. (total loss 360 SEK that was my fist deposit)
I was thinking to deposit more money, but I won't do the same mistake again.
I'm sorry. :(
Don't worry mate. There is not one person who plays that has suffered a bank roll burn. It makes you stronger and more determined. This is a great system but does need a bit of control. I have been reading this forum for about a year and only decided to join now to reply to this as I was worried about the progression. This system is perfect for flat betting and not stopping after 4 losses.
I am a very patient person when it comes to roulette and on this system I am happy to report that it is still holding up with very little tweaks.
Results so far....
2409 spins (34.5hrs)
$181.10 Profit ($5.26 per hr)
Biggest draw down $23.90
I know some of you won't jump up and down with that but it's slow and steady profit with no killer progression.
I hope you are encouraged Ignatus and be proud of a simple but yet effective system. Chin up!
Duff
Why not post the rules exactly as you're playing it. Very slow and boring--but profitable--is the exact thing needed for a robot. You post how you do it and I'll spring for the robot.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 04, 11:29 AM 2013
Duff
Why not post the rules exactly as you're playing it. Very slow and boring--but profitable--is the exact thing needed for a robot. You post how you do it and I'll spring for the robot.
Sam
Sure no probs Cat
I play on EuroGrand live table lowest stake 10c. Always start a session with a new dealer on the hour or half past the hour. Never join half way through a dealers stint.
Follow the system as it is 123 all combinations.
Usual trigger then flat bet the 12 numbers (13 in sector 1) I don't use any splits.
Keep betting until you win. Don't stop after 4 losses or wait for virtual wins.
When you win you start again as though no numbers have been spun.
When that dealer has finished her session. Clear all the numbers and start again, usually about 35 spins in that time.
My average win from each session is $2.62 woohoo! Book my yacht!
Hope that helps? Let me know if there is anything you are not sure of
sorry ignatus.
i remember when i lost 500 euro real money at smartlive.
i had to learn it the hard way.
you will not think about the money in a couple of weeks. :thumbsup:
thanks anyway for sharing.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 04, 10:09 AM 2013
Yes, you are right. This system has proven to fail for me I won't be playing it anymore. I'm sorry i've failed again. And I'm very sad.,, :(
I lost 1900 SEK in a bad streak. Down to 200 SEK. Then won 500 SEK, finally lost it all. It went straight to hell. (total loss 360 SEK that was my fist deposit)
I was thinking to deposit more money, but I won't do the same mistake again.
I'm sorry. :(
maybe now you'll stop ignoring all the advice everyone has given you. Not trying to be mean, but you had it coming unfortunately.
Thank you for your straight answer, Duff.
May I come for a drink on your yacht?
:)
Sam
As i said the whole time. Ignatus, listen and learn b4 posting Anything at all. För du är en uppenbar amatör som har 0 koll än så länge.
ignatus.
did you save the numbers of the losing session?
if you post them, i can check them with my tweak of your system.
regards,
max
Quote from: mattymattz on Feb 04, 12:26 PM 2013
maybe now you'll stop ignoring all the advice everyone has given you. Not trying to be mean, but you had it coming unfortunately.
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dito!, Matt you bet me to it :lol:
vundarosa
Roulette is one tuff cookie ,better luck next time.
Regards
Max
Thank you all. Well, if you can come up with a better tweak and progression I would be happy. Im drunk and stoned, I have a girl here, celebrate that! :P
LOL Cat, I'll come pick you up on my Jet......ski.
Make sure you don't use any aggressive progression on that girl. You might go all in and bust your load....oh wait :-\
Yes, Duff, just come up the Oklahoma River!!
Hey, guys---especially ignatus---I have Normy's permission to make a video showing a wonderful piece of software I designed and he built. It goes right along with what ignatus has been saying.
This is NOT the "Holy Grail", costs money to buy and takes many, many hours of practice to perfect the betting method. But it does work. If YOU make it work, it works.
All will be explained soon.
Sam
@ignatus
Lighten up on yourself, Bro! Truth is we've all probably shed and tear and thrown up. I know we've had that sick-gut feeling.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 04, 01:01 PM 2013
@ignatus
Lighten up on yourself, Bro!
From his last post...sounds like Ignatus has lightened up.... considerably
Still not finish the tracker, not much time atm.
This is a preview picture of the tracker
(link:://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9192/samplefm.png)
Chillout Ignatus, when i finish the tracker u can tweak bet strategies. It can import spins from *.txt files than u can analize the results.
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 04, 02:27 PM 2013
Still not finish the tracker, not much time atm.
This is a preview picture of the tracker
(link:://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9192/samplefm.png)
Chillout Ignatus, when i finish the tracker You can tweak bet strategies. It can import spins from *.txt files than You can analize the results.
Thanks :)
Has he lightened up or lighted up? ^-^
Big difference!
Well whether he lightened up or lit up doesn't seem to make much difference...he's already back. Maybe she went home early?
Nice work Orochi. Available for free or arm and a leg time?
All my trackers are 100% free.
That's awesome Orochi. Can't wait to test drive it :thumbsup:
TC video (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=eimWpmC4Pqc#ws)
Nice vid Sam. The bot looks good. You did miss a bet on the 4 and it came in. You also missed a 20 but that never made a difference. Under pressure on vid is always difficult. Thanks for sharing :)
First, this is not a bot. It is a tracker/clicker. Yes, I probably missed a few as the software that makes the movie interferes with the clicker.
Nice video Sam. :thumbsup:
You might want to try this screen recorder: Hyper Cam 2, link: link:://:.hyperionics.com/ (link:://:.hyperionics.com/)
I just did some test and it is not interfering with the clicker.
I know why, but i could not upload the video, i dont see the any place for that?
br, nOrMy2o0o
Thanks Normy
If you're speaking of uploading a video you made, you must first post it on Utube or some such and link it here.
I'll look into the software.
Sam
I have downloaded it and will try it tomorrow.
I can kill a thread quicker than anyone on the planet!! ^-^
TC video 2 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_8tR8IuofOA#ws)
Ok Sam I'll bite on behalf of everyone that doesn't want to ask. How much is it and how do I get one?
Let us be clear on one thing: I am not selling anything; have never sold anything and don't intend to. I paid Normy to create this software to my specifications. He owns it; I don't. I couldn't sell it if I wanted to. He can confirm that. Neither can I sell Stef and Nick's bot. Can't even copy it to another computer.
People who are programmers deserve to be paid. Superman, Ophis, Vic, the whole bunch.
If anyone is interested in the software, they can contact Normy2000.
Now...............
Since I posted these videos, I have had almost zero response. I have purchased an upgrade to my software so I will be able to pause it. New videos will be much better.
Sam
I've been watching Sam...I just scroll through the down times with the little slide on the bottom of the screen.
OK gotcha Sam. I also been watching with interest. Can this be done manually if so is there a thread to look into it?
Back to the 123 system and still performing well in my boring flat bet, no thrills way.
Current results...
2907 spins (41 hrs)
$209.90 Profit ($5.05 ph)
I have tried this on air ball too with the same results.
It also doesn't matter how you split the table into 3 sectors. I split the table into a different 3 sectors than is suggested here.
Quote from: DuffMiver on Feb 05, 10:29 AM 2013
OK gotcha Sam. I also been watching with interest. Can this be done manually if so is there a thread to look into it?
Back to the 123 system and still performing well in my boring flat bet, no thrills way.
Current results...
2907 spins (41 hrs)
$209.90 Profit ($5.05 ph)
I have tried this on air ball too with the same results.
It also doesn't matter how you split the table into 3 sectors. I split the table into a different 3 sectors than is suggested here.
That's great. But i think everybody should be warned long losing streak will happen. Using progression is very dangerous, so perhaps flatbetting is the best option.
If this could be done manually, one would have to be able to get the bets down and I don't think you could. Live table, lots of people, OK. What do you do when they all leave?
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 05, 10:36 AM 2013
That's great. But i think everybody should be warned long losing streak will happen. Using progression is very dangerous, so perhaps flatbetting is the best option.
Really? You only had to lose your own real money for this epiphany? Everyone has been telling you this for the last 14,312 methods you've authored.
If that small loss you took was what was necessary for it to sink in...money well spent. I know it wouldn't feel like it now...but will save a fortune in the future
ignatus,
still interested in the numbers of the losing session. did you saved them?
please send them to me...i want to play it with my tweak of your system.
(link:://img607.imageshack.us/img607/6303/ignatus.png)
As i promise here is the tracker, i remove the progression feature, now is flat betting only. The only restriction is 5.000 spins. If needed i will raise it in now time.
Support the Developer
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Quote from: Orochi on Feb 05, 06:49 PM 2013
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As i promise here is the tracker, i remove the progression feature, now is flat betting only. The only restriction is 5.000 spins. If needed i will raise it in now time.
Support the Developer
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Very nice. I hope this can be useful, and perhaps I give this strategy another chance :)
Thanks alot
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 05, 06:49 PM 2013
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As i promise here is the tracker, i remove the progression feature, now is flat betting only. The only restriction is 5.000 spins. If needed i will raise it in now time.
Support the Developer
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Tracker looks really good!! I will try it now!
Please download it again, the first upload file have an issue in trackerboard scroolbar, You can only see the last 18 spins.
Now is fixed, you can scrool down and see all the spins.
Fixed not counting wins formula.
Ok :)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 04, 11:20 PM 2013
I can kill a thread quicker than anyone on the planet!! ^-^
TC video 2 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_8tR8IuofOA#ws)
In Roulette Tracker RC - XLS will be a pocket distances tracking, Clockwise and Counter-Clock-Wise, is almost finish, and is 100% free.
A bot to place bets can be make in a few days.
In excel can do almost everything.
THIS IS WORKING! :D God damn so nice! (The tracker) and what's more? I make profit from flatbetting this! (livespins) Thanks again Orochi! You're the best!
this is how i tweak and play your system.
look at the excel file. tweaked system big plus (flatbet, only one step prog one time)
same numbers with the tracker, big minus.
smartlive live dealer.
so lets tweak some more together to get this working. progression too aggressive?
regards,
max
Just re-download the file, fixed the win counter
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 05, 07:46 PM 2013
this is how i tweak and play your system.
look at the excel file. tweaked system big plus (flatbet, only one step prog one time)
same numbers with the tracker, big minus.
smartlive live dealer.
so lets tweak some more together to get this working. progression too aggressive?
regards,
max
I don't get this trigger in your sheet
16 2 v tr1
26 3 l tr3
8 2 l
1 2 l tr1 , Why trigger 1 :question:
19 1 w tr3
22 3 w tr2
and you use progression when 3 loss in a row ?
Did you test this with other sessions / spins already ?
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 05, 07:39 PM 2013
In Roulette Tracker RC - XLS will be a pocket distances tracking, Clockwise and Counter-Clock-Wise, is almost finish, and is 100% free.
A bot to place bets can be make in a few days.
In excel can do almost everything.
You are an Excell Genius or nerd? Orochi. Very nice work and much appreciated.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 05, 07:40 PM 2013
THIS IS WORKING! :D God darn so nice! (The tracker) and what's more? I make profit from flatbetting this! (livespins) Thanks again Orochi! You're the best!
I know deep down you are itching to get into progression (so many guys want to chase losses sheesh!) so just for you Ignatus I would recommend a reverse flat bet progression.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 05, 07:46 PM 2013
this is how i tweak and play your system.
look at the excel file. tweaked system big plus (flatbet, only one step prog one time)
same numbers with the tracker, big minus.
smartlive live dealer.
so lets tweak some more together to get this working. progression too aggressive?
regards,
max
I don't want to stay on 13 posts, bad luck and all that. So yeah lets tweak to death and end up at the beginning LoL
Gift for Ignatus..........see jpg . file .....maybe he will make a better movements method using this info .
Advice : never play more than 9 inside numbers(better 4 or 6 numbers) and try to stay flat bet or use only a few progression steps.
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Feb 06, 02:54 PM 2013
Gift for Ignatus..........see jpg . file .....maybe he will make a better movements method using this info .
Advice : never play more than 9 inside numbers(better 4 or 6 numbers) and try to stay flat bet or use only a few progression steps.
cheers
Thanks Kattila. ;D
@Orochi....
Is there any way I can change sectors and betting triggers in the tracker?
Quote from: DuffMiver on Feb 06, 04:15 PM 2013
@Orochi....
Is there any way I can change sectors and betting triggers in the tracker?
U can't mod the tracker, but let me know what u need, maybe i can mod it for ur need
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 06, 11:03 PM 2013
You can't mod the tracker, but let me know what u need, maybe i can mod it for your need
That would be great!
Sector 1 = 7 28 12 35 3 26 0 32 15 19 4 21 2
Sector 2 = 25 17 34 6 27 13 0 36 11 30 8 23 10
Sector 3 = 5 24 16 33 1 20 0 14 31 9 22 18 29
After a 123 (or any combo) Win, STOP and start with a fresh number. I notice the tracker always looks at the last 3 numbers spun.
Is there a way to enter a blank spin? I always start over with a new set of numbers after a dealer change. I don't want to reset the whole tracker.
Thanks :)
I try to open the tracker but that happens is i get the message excel starter does not support macros , do i have to putchase software to open this tracker , microsoft starter does not work.
Quote from: Kingspin on Mar 03, 07:42 PM 2013
I try to open the tracker but that happens is i get the message excel starter does not support macros , do i have to putchase software to open this tracker , microsoft starter does not work.
Excel version must support macro content. Excel 2007 or early will be able to read file.
I've got a copy of 2007..but can,t upload it on here as file is too big and too big too email..best thing to do is download a program called DROPBOX and add me as a usern on a shared folder just to put it in there for you you willneed my email address...then go to download.cnet and download POWER ISO as this is the file i give you...if this links work all the better
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run and install it..
next thing is to right click on the 2007 copy and scroll down to power iso its a gold disc
then look at the options..it,ll say mount to dvd drive ...click on that
close it off then go to start...my computer then click on your dvd drive icon...it works the same as a dvd...run and install software...sounds complicated but very easy...its up to you or anyone else who wants it just pm for my email if you do want it..
my email is gordonhart@ymail.com
Quote from: DuffMiver on Feb 04, 12:03 PM 2013
Sure no probs Cat
Follow the system as it is 123 all combinations.
Usual trigger then flat bet the 12 numbers (13 in sector 1) I don't use any splits.
Keep betting until you win. Don't stop after 4 losses or wait for virtual wins.
When you win you start again as though no numbers have been spun.
Hope that helps? Let me know if there is anything you are not sure of
Can you provide some example plz?
I guess it look like this, please correct me if i'm wrong.
1
3 - trigger, so we will bet D2 next bet
3 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
1 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
1 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
3 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
3 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
2 - Finally D2 shown, end session
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1 - new session
2 - trigger, so we will bet D3 next bet
2 - No d3, keeping bet
2 - No d3, keeping bet
3 - D3 shown, end seesion
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Am I right?
or like this?
1
2 - trigger , bet d3 next
2 - lose, give up, wait next number
1 - new trigger, bet d3
3 - won, reset
Quote from: grayen on Mar 30, 10:54 AM 2013
Can you provide some example plz?
I guess it look like this, please correct me if i'm wrong.
1
3 - trigger, so we will bet D2 next bet
3 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
1 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
1 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
3 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
3 - No D2, we lose, keeping bet D2
2 - Finally D2 shown, end session
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1 - new session
2 - trigger, so we will bet D3 next bet
2 - No d3, keeping bet
2 - No d3, keeping bet
3 - D3 shown, end seesion
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Am I right?
or like this?
1
2 - trigger , bet d3 next
2 - lose, give up, wait next number
1 - new trigger, bet d3
3 - won, reset
Hi Grayen,
Your first example is correct. However only bet if you get sequence 123 or 321 forget other combos like 231 or 213 etc. If you go back to the first post Ignatus wrote, he noticed that there was a 123 or 321 sequence quite a lot. Then someone said that we may as well bet on all other combos too. For me bad move and Ignatus's original system was lost. I made more money from this just following 123 or 321.
Don't forget to Reset when a new dealer starts making this a 30 min session only.
I tweeked this system a bit by waiting for where the dealer landed the ball.
eg if the first spin landed in sector 2, I would make this sector 1 if the next landed in sector 3 that would be sector 2 and the remainder sector 3. Then start normal tracking betting on the newly formed sectors.
Don't forget ONLY follow 123 or 321 sequences