Here is my Very Rare to Kill Progression. It's was inspired by reverse engineering the crackpot Charles Hampshire's spoof of an idea he called the Zone. His only problem was he actually had something a real player could make use of. He didn't even know it. So I thought about it for fifteen minutes and turned his lame idea upside down and inside out. Guess what? It really works. After thousands of spin tests it has held up as a winner. It does this because the pattern or sequence it takes to kill it is so very rare that it tends to work. Charles never noticed that feature even in his own spoof of a Holy Grail he has been harassing forums with.
It uses 4 steps. It avoids the zeros. It's completely rule based. It has a few wait points that usually resolve in just a few spins.
The point is to bet on the two dozens or columns that did not hit last. It's almost that simple. The other point is to wait for the next single to occur in the dozens after the last repeat.
So if d1 (dozen 1, 1 to 12) hits you bet on d2 and d3 for the next spin.
If d1 hits again then you lose. You now wait for d1 to stop hitting. As soon as d2 or d3 hits you have a single in series. So then you start step two of the four step progression. I takes a perfect set of repeats and singles to kill this progression.
Here are a few spins tracking the dozens and the columns at the same time.
| 1 2 3 | L M H |
| X | X | -- 23 -- 1
| X | X | -- 24 -- 2
| X | X | -- 33 -- 3
| X | X | -- 23 -- 4
| X | X | -- 1 -- 5
| X | X | -- 11 -- 6
| X | X | -- 25 -- 7
| X | X | -- 9 -- 8
| X | X | -- 36 -- 9
| X | X | -- 35 -- 10
| X | X | -- 28 -- 11
Here is a stretch that kills it. It happens in the dozens beginning at spin 122.
| 1 2 3 | L M H |
| X | X | -- 6 -- 120
| X | X | -- 28 -- 121
| X | X | -- 29 -- 122
| X | X | -- 34 -- 123
| X | X | -- 35 -- 124
| X | X | -- 12 -- 125
| X | X | -- 9 -- 126
| X | X | -- 11 -- 127
| X | X | -- 2 -- 128
| X | X | -- 19 -- 129
| X | X | -- 17 -- 130
| X | X | -- 19 -- 131
| X | X | -- 32 -- 132
| X | X | -- 33 -- 133
|---------------| -- 0 -- 134
| X | X | -- 6 -- 135
The progression is 1,1 - 3,3 - 9,9 - 27,27. You place a bet on each of the dozens that did not hit last.
The cost is 80 units if you lose. You win everything back plus 1 unit on any win inside the four steps.
The thing that makes it work is that you never place bets on any repeats after the first repeat is discovered. So runs of repeats don't take out your progressions. Only the exact sequence of repeats after singles, four directly in a row has the power to break this progression.
For the sake of clarity here are step by step instructions.
d1 hits on spin 1. Bet 1 on d2 and 1 on d3 for spin 2.
d1 hits on spin 2. Don't bet on spin 3.
d1 hits on spin 3 Don't bet on spin 4.
d3 hits on spin 4 Bet 3 on d2 and 3 on d1 for spin 5.
d1 hits on spin 5 Bet 1 on d2 and 1 on d3 for spin 6.
d2 hits on spin 6 Bet 1 on d1 and 1 on d3 for spin 7.
d3 hits on spin 7 Bet 1 on d1 and 1 on d2 for spin 8.
I generally lose one time in 300 spins betting both dozens and columns independently for each spin. That's typical too. Once in a while you get two losses. And once in a while you get no losses. With both progressions going on at the same time you tend to win about 20 units for every 30 spins.
If this is a holy grail system then three or more losses must take place most of the time for it not to be, in 300 spins that is. On a five dollar minimum table this should cost $400 for each loss. So a $1200 bankroll would be considered minimal to try it.
There are some refinements not mentioned regarding the zeros. I just did not want to cloud the explanation at this time. I'd hate to be blamed for changing this after the fact. That's what Charles does. He's a liar. Some how he gets his jollies for leading people on. I just don't want to be in his low class. So there it is, now go change the world forever. Just remember I thought this up. To all those that think it won't change things just watch this gold rush.
Hey Gizmo,
Thanks. I wouldn't use this as a main system, but if I noticed a loss (or perhaps 3 series) I would definitely have a punt on it, although the progression is too steep for my taste. I would rather use something like, 1,2,6 on each dozen and cut my losses if that failed.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 20, 03:46 AM 2010
Here is my Very Rare to Kill Progression. It's was inspired by reverse engineering the crackpot Charles Hampshire's spoof of an idea he called the Zone. His only problem was he actually had something a real player could make use of. He didn't even know it. So I thought about it for fifteen minutes and turned his lame idea upside down and inside out. Guess what? It really works. After thousands of spin tests it has held up as a winner. It does this because the pattern or sequence it takes to kill it is so very rare that it tends to work. Charles never noticed that feature even in his own spoof of a Holy Grail he has been harassing forums with.
It uses 4 steps. It avoids the zeros. It's completely rule based. It has a few wait points that usually resolve in just a few spins.
The point is to bet on the two dozens or columns that did not hit last. It's almost that simple. The other point is to wait for the next single to occur in the dozens after the last repeat.
So if d1 (dozen 1, 1 to 12) hits you bet on d2 and d3 for the next spin.
If d1 hits again then you lose. You now wait for d1 to stop hitting. As soon as d2 or d3 hits you have a single in series. So then you start step two of the four step progression. I takes a perfect set of repeats and singles to kill this progression.
Here are a few spins tracking the dozens and the columns at the same time.
| 1 2 3 | L M H |
| X | X | -- 23 -- 1
| X | X | -- 24 -- 2
| X | X | -- 33 -- 3
| X | X | -- 23 -- 4
| X | X | -- 1 -- 5
| X | X | -- 11 -- 6
| X | X | -- 25 -- 7
| X | X | -- 9 -- 8
| X | X | -- 36 -- 9
| X | X | -- 35 -- 10
| X | X | -- 28 -- 11
Here is a stretch that kills it. It happens in the dozens beginning at spin 122.
| 1 2 3 | L M H |
| X | X | -- 6 -- 120
| X | X | -- 28 -- 121
| X | X | -- 29 -- 122
| X | X | -- 34 -- 123
| X | X | -- 35 -- 124
| X | X | -- 12 -- 125
| X | X | -- 9 -- 126
| X | X | -- 11 -- 127
| X | X | -- 2 -- 128
| X | X | -- 19 -- 129
| X | X | -- 17 -- 130
| X | X | -- 19 -- 131
| X | X | -- 32 -- 132
| X | X | -- 33 -- 133
|---------------| -- 0 -- 134
| X | X | -- 6 -- 135
The progression is 1,1 - 3,3 - 9,9 - 27,27. You place a bet on each of the dozens that did not hit last.
The cost is 80 units if you lose. You win everything back plus 1 unit on any win inside the four steps.
The thing that makes it work is that you never place bets on any repeats after the first repeat is discovered. So runs of repeats don't take out your progressions. Only the exact sequence of repeats after singles, four directly in a row has the power to break this progression.
For the sake of clarity here are step by step instructions.
d1 hits on spin 1. Bet 1 on d2 and 1 on d3 for spin 2.
d1 hits on spin 2. Don't bet on spin 3.
d1 hits on spin 3 Don't bet on spin 4.
d3 hits on spin 4 Bet 3 on d2 and 3 on d1 for spin 5.
d1 hits on spin 5 Bet 1 on d2 and 1 on d3 for spin 6.
d2 hits on spin 6 Bet 1 on d1 and 1 on d3 for spin 7.
d3 hits on spin 7 Bet 1 on d1 and 1 on d2 for spin 8.
I generally lose one time in 300 spins betting both dozens and columns independently for each spin. That's typical too. Once in a while you get two losses. And once in a while you get no losses. With both progressions going on at the same time you tend to win about 20 units for every 30 spins.
If this is a holy grail system then three or more losses must take place most of the time for it not to be, in 300 spins that is. On a five dollar minimum table this should cost $400 for each loss. So a $1200 bankroll would be considered minimal to try it.
There are some refinements not mentioned regarding the zeros. I just did not want to cloud the explanation at this time. I'd hate to be blamed for changing this after the fact. That's what Charles does. He's a liar. Some how he gets his jollies for leading people on. I just don't want to be in his low class. So there it is, now go change the world forever. Just remember I thought this up. To all those that think it won't change things just watch this gold rush.
Ill give this a run on my test and see how it goes
CHeers for providing it giz
Hamsup
Hi Gizmotron and thaks for sharing.
I like the sound of this and I'll definately consider this method.
Best wishes,
CashGrowth.
giz I read a similar thing only real diff
bet last dozen that come out + the opposite of the one before that
If you get steak on same dozen stick with it untill it hits 3 times then jump to both opposites.
and very interesting fact i could not get past a 6 progession. . . . . . unless multiple zero's
although 6 progession on 2 dozens is hefty. . you said wait for 3 miss,,, then it becomes good! or lankys 6 point divider??
See this is the sort of thing interested ,, work in progress
Quote from: Bayes link=topic=121. msg607#msg607 date=1274347018
Hey Gizmo,
Thanks. I wouldn't use this as a main system, but if I noticed a loss (or perhaps 3 series) I would definitely have a punt on it, although the progression is too steep for my taste. I would rather use something like, 1,2,6 on each dozen and cut my losses if that failed.
It's a four step progression. Three steps will produce too many loss sequences. Also 1,3,9,27 produces wins for approximately 33% of the time. Your progression would not. I might as well tell you about the zeros. Don't use this progression when the zeros are very active. Don't place a bet after a zero hits. Wait until a first single occurs. The entire success of the progression comes from it being rare enough to be effective. Three steps is not rare enough. Everything I have learned about progressions is that they can't work. Yet this progression tends to work in testing. It's because the repeats are waited on while requiring a very strong stretch of bunched together repeats combined with singles in an exactly spaced pattern. It's not magic. It's not attempting to defy basic arithmetic.
Quote from: strato1985 on May 20, 09:15 AM 2010
giz I read a similar thing only real diff
bet last dozen that come out + the opposite of the one before that
If you get steak on same dozen stick with it untill it hits 3 times then jump to both opposites.
and very interesting fact i could not get past a 6 progession. . . . . . unless multiple zero's
although 6 progession on 2 dozens is hefty. . you said wait for 3 miss,,, then it becomes good! or lankys 6 point divider??
See this is the sort of thing interested ,, work in progress
There is no rule to "wait 3 miss." So I never said that. If you want to discuss another progression or your own impression of this progression then please go ahead in your own thread. This one needs to be discussed so that anyone trying it understands it will have a chance. I've noticed that many systems go through 100's of pages of discovery because the rules are misunderstood.
Thanks Gizmo for share this method with us.
I removed others progressions.
Regarding other progressions. The point is to have a very rare pattern that kills it. One of the winning points is that at each eventual win you win 1 unit. On spins that you do win on you win 1 unit. The problem with trying other progressions is that then you try other rules. This killer sequence is four steps based on avoiding the repeats. The only thing that kills it is a stretch that has them connected perfectly. Different rules means that the progression no longer avoids the complex sequence that kills it. So far only a few say they will test it. But many want to make it their own by changing it. I say fine. Please go to your own thread to make it your own. Please remove the off topic progressions. Perhaps their inventors will get the message then.
thanks for sharing this progression/system. . . will test it when i have a chance and see how it fairs on my live wheel spins from DB
Hey Giz, did i play this right? was up to 182 spins 77 unit profit before i hit this loss (was testing by hand first to see how it does before i program a bot to play it in rx; these are DB live wheel spins):
175 18 Bet 2 3 -2 1 1077
176 23 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 1075
177 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1075
178 12 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 1069
179 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1069
180 24 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 1051
181 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1051
182 34 Bet 54 0 -54 -54 997
hmm. . . continuing on the session, another loss at spin 222
182 34 Bet 54 0 -54 -54 997
183 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 997
184 19 Bet 2 3 -2 1 998
185 36 Bet 2 3 -2 1 999
186 35 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 997
187 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 997
188 7 Bet 6 9 -6 3 1000
189 4 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 998
190 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 998
191 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 998
192 28 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 992
193 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 992
194 21 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 974
195 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 974
196 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 974
197 24 Bet 54 81 -54 27 1001
198 28 Bet 2 3 -2 1 1002
199 17 Bet 2 3 -2 1 1003
200 31 Bet 2 3 -2 1 1004
201 31 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 1002
202 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1002
203 20 Bet 6 9 -6 3 1005
204 0 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 1003
205 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1003
206 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1003
207 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1003
208 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1003
209 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1003
210 28 Bet 6 9 -6 3 1006
211 13 Bet 2 3 -2 1 1007
212 13 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 1005
213 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1005
214 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 1005
215 7 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 999
216 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 999
217 27 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 981
218 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 981
219 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 981
220 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 981
221 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 981
222 6 Bet 54 0 -54 -54 927
Quote from: WhiteKnight on May 20, 12:30 PM 2010
Hey Giz, did i play this right? was up to 182 spins 77 unit profit before i hit this loss (was testing by hand first to see how it does before i program a bot to play it in rx; these are DB live wheel spins):
I wrote a program that just posts the chart, like the examples that I posted above. It spins out 300 spins and shows the results. In that way I can scroll down and see immediately what happened. So I kind of test by hand. It's not easy to put the correct wait sections in a program. You must also include when any zero is a loss in a step too. Sometimes zeros hit but they happen during a wait. So they have no effect on this progression at times. I also recommend not playing this progression when the zeros are over active. I'll take your spins and program them into my charting system. It will be easy to see if I get similar results, hand testing it that is.
Will your rx simulation produce bet by bet results that can be posted here? It would be nice to see the correct bet selection process carried out by computer simulation.
Hi Giz,
To answer your question, the RX simulation will show the results spin by spin, it's a feature within RX to export the data. Since my tests are all done with real live wheel spins that are broken up into separate files by date, i test each one individually. For instance, just ran a test of 775 spins and this turned out to be a loser. I also tested with the 6 point divisor which also lost, but my modification of the 6 point divisor where it reduces the betting, is faring somewhat better, didn't bust the bankroll, went down to 50% but then has recovered again to a new high. . . but max bet was 122unit which is too high for my liking, so i'm not convinced that this is a long term winner and that the bet selection is that good, i mean, this is pretty much the bet selection (which is quite simple):
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prev_doz := next_doz
if nextspin in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
next_doz = 1
else if nextspin in 13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24
next_doz = 2
else if nextspin in 25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
next_doz = 3
if (nextspin != 0)
{
if (next_doz != prev_doz AND prev_doz != 0)
goto StartBetting
}
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Can you post a comma delimited set of your spins that you charted above. From first spin to last spin like: 3,12,35,16,23,34,... etc?
i can send you the spin file, it has each spin on a separate line. . . it is just a txt document. . . top to bottom oldest to newest spins. . .
email sent.
Quote from: WhiteKnight on May 20, 02:21 PM 2010
i can send you the spin file, it has each spin on a separate line. . . it is just a txt document. . . top to bottom oldest to newest spins. . .
email sent.
Here are the results:
| 1 2 3 | L M H |
| X | X | -- 24 -- 1
| X | X | -- 28 -- 2
| X | X | -- 16 -- 3
| X | X | -- 8 -- 4
| X | X | -- 34 -- 5
| X | X | -- 12 -- 6
| X | X | -- 25 -- 7
| X | X | -- 17 -- 8
| X | X | -- 22 -- 9
| X | X | -- 29 -- 10
| X | X | -- 3 -- 11
| X | X | -- 3 -- 12
| X | X | -- 8 -- 13
| X | X | -- 34 -- 14
| X | X | -- 9 -- 15
| X | X | -- 11 -- 16
| X | X | -- 17 -- 17
| X | X | -- 29 -- 18
| -- 0 -- 19
| X | X | -- 8 -- 20
| X | X | -- 20 -- 21
| X | X | -- 9 -- 22
| X | X | -- 23 -- 23
| X | X | -- 15 -- 24
| X | X | -- 34 -- 25
| X | X | -- 34 -- 26
| X | X | -- 34 -- 27
| X | X | -- 9 -- 28
| X | X | -- 30 -- 29
| X | X | -- 28 -- 30
| X | X | -- 1 -- 31
| X | X | -- 14 -- 32
| X | X | -- 16 -- 33
| X | X | -- 26 -- 34
| X | X | -- 19 -- 35
| X | X | -- 5 -- 36
| X | X | -- 20 -- 37
| X | X | -- 6 -- 38
| X | X | -- 20 -- 39
| X | X | -- 21 -- 40
| X | X | -- 1 -- 41
| X | X | -- 19 -- 42
| X | X | -- 4 -- 43
| X | X | -- 1 -- 44
| X | X | -- 19 -- 45
| X | X | -- 8 -- 46
| X | X | -- 27 -- 47
| X | X | -- 9 -- 48
| X | X | -- 10 -- 49
| X | X | -- 17 -- 50
| X | X | -- 3 -- 51
| X | X | -- 33 -- 52
| X | X | -- 34 -- 53
| X | X | -- 8 -- 54
| X | X | -- 1 -- 55
| X | X | -- 5 -- 56
| -- 0 -- 57
| X | X | -- 33 -- 58
| X | X | -- 26 -- 59
| X | X | -- 11 -- 60
| X | X | -- 35 -- 61
| X | X | -- 34 -- 62
| X | X | -- 13 -- 63
| X | X | -- 18 -- 64
| X | X | -- 30 -- 65
| X | X | -- 22 -- 66
| X | X | -- 12 -- 67
| X | X | -- 12 -- 68
| X | X | -- 14 -- 69
| X | X | -- 17 -- 70
| X | X | -- 22 -- 71
| X | X | -- 3 -- 72
| X | X | -- 23 -- 73
| X | X | -- 20 -- 74
| X | X | -- 28 -- 75
| X | X | -- 8 -- 76
| X | X | -- 24 -- 77
| X | X | -- 34 -- 78
| X | X | -- 11 -- 79
| X | X | -- 15 -- 80
| X | X | -- 15 -- 81
| X | X | -- 29 -- 82
| X | X | -- 20 -- 83
| X | X | -- 16 -- 84
| X | X | -- 23 -- 85
| X | X | -- 26 -- 86
| X | X | -- 7 -- 87
| X | X | -- 10 -- 88
| X | X | -- 18 -- 89
| X | X | -- 30 -- 90
| X | X | -- 25 -- 91
| X | X | -- 12 -- 92
| X | X | -- 16 -- 93
| X | X | -- 6 -- 94
| X | X | -- 29 -- 95
| X | X | -- 32 -- 96
| X | X | -- 16 -- 97
| X | X | -- 6 -- 98
| X | X | -- 8 -- 99
| X | X | -- 10 -- 100
| X | X | -- 8 -- 101
| X | X | -- 18 -- 102
| X | X | -- 22 -- 103
| X | X | -- 18 -- 104
| X | X | -- 5 -- 105
| X | X | -- 4 -- 106
| X | X | -- 11 -- 107
| X | X | -- 19 -- 108
| X | X | -- 2 -- 109
| X | X | -- 23 -- 110
| X | X | -- 7 -- 111
| X | X | -- 33 -- 112
| X | X | -- 14 -- 113
| X | X | -- 19 -- 114
| X | X | -- 13 -- 115
| -- 0 -- 116
| X | X | -- 20 -- 117
| X | X | -- 28 -- 118
| X | X | -- 5 -- 119
| X | X | -- 36 -- 120
| X | X | -- 19 -- 121
| X | X | -- 30 -- 122
| X | X | -- 6 -- 123
| X | X | -- 6 -- 124
| X | X | -- 4 -- 125
| X | X | -- 4 -- 126
| X | X | -- 14 -- 127
| X | X | -- 19 -- 128
| X | X | -- 26 -- 129
| X | X | -- 11 -- 130
| X | X | -- 19 -- 131
| X | X | -- 33 -- 132
| X | X | -- 32 -- 133
| X | X | -- 10 -- 134
| X | X | -- 20 -- 135
| X | X | -- 4 -- 136
| X | X | -- 14 -- 137
| X | X | -- 15 -- 138
| X | X | -- 4 -- 139
| X | X | -- 21 -- 140
| X | X | -- 31 -- 141
| X | X | -- 20 -- 142
| X | X | -- 18 -- 143
| X | X | -- 13 -- 144
| X | X | -- 11 -- 145
| X | X | -- 7 -- 146
| X | X | -- 33 -- 147
| X | X | -- 23 -- 148
| X | X | -- 8 -- 149
| X | X | -- 26 -- 150
| X | X | -- 32 -- 151
| X | X | -- 17 -- 152
| X | X | -- 9 -- 153
| X | X | -- 30 -- 154
| X | X | -- 34 -- 155
| X | X | -- 18 -- 156
| X | X | -- 11 -- 157
| X | X | -- 1 -- 158
| X | X | -- 12 -- 159
| X | X | -- 23 -- 160
| X | X | -- 7 -- 161
| X | X | -- 28 -- 162
| X | X | -- 29 -- 163
| X | X | -- 30 -- 164
| X | X | -- 15 -- 165
| X | X | -- 25 -- 166
| X | X | -- 2 -- 167
| X | X | -- 8 -- 168
| X | X | -- 29 -- 169
| X | X | -- 2 -- 170
| X | X | -- 23 -- 171
| X | X | -- 30 -- 172
| X | X | -- 2 -- 173
| X | X | -- 27 -- 174
| X | X | -- 18 -- 175
| X | X | -- 23 -- 176
| X | X | -- 1 -- 177
| X | X | -- 12 -- 178
| X | X | -- 19 -- 179
| X | X | -- 24 -- 180
| X | X | -- 25 -- 181
| X | X | -- 34 -- 182
| X | X | -- 12 -- 183
| X | X | -- 19 -- 184
| X | X | -- 36 -- 185
| X | X | -- 35 -- 186
| X | X | -- 19 -- 187
| X | X | -- 7 -- 188
| X | X | -- 4 -- 189
| X | X | -- 3 -- 190
| X | X | -- 33 -- 191
| X | X | -- 28 -- 192
| X | X | -- 14 -- 193
| X | X | -- 21 -- 194
| X | X | -- 14 -- 195
| X | X | -- 36 -- 196
| X | X | -- 24 -- 197
| X | X | -- 28 -- 198
| X | X | -- 17 -- 199
| X | X | -- 31 -- 200
| X | X | -- 31 -- 201
| X | X | -- 6 -- 202
| X | X | -- 20 -- 203
| -- 0 -- 204
| -- 0 -- 205
| X | X | -- 31 -- 206
| X | X | -- 31 -- 207
| X | X | -- 32 -- 208
| X | X | -- 22 -- 209
| X | X | -- 28 -- 210
| X | X | -- 13 -- 211
| X | X | -- 13 -- 212
| X | X | -- 22 -- 213
| X | X | -- 7 -- 214
| X | X | -- 7 -- 215
| X | X | -- 33 -- 216
| X | X | -- 27 -- 217
| X | X | -- 26 -- 218
| X | X | -- 30 -- 219
| X | X | -- 31 -- 220
| X | X | -- 4 -- 221
| X | X | -- 6 -- 222
| X | X | -- 26 -- 223
| X | X | -- 9 -- 224
| X | X | -- 19 -- 225
| -- 0 -- 226
| X | X | -- 8 -- 227
| X | X | -- 29 -- 228
| X | X | -- 29 -- 229
| X | X | -- 9 -- 230
| X | X | -- 15 -- 231
| X | X | -- 17 -- 232
| X | X | -- 29 -- 233
| X | X | -- 4 -- 234
| X | X | -- 3 -- 235
| X | X | -- 18 -- 236
| X | X | -- 14 -- 237
| X | X | -- 26 -- 238
| X | X | -- 20 -- 239
| X | X | -- 26 -- 240
| X | X | -- 20 -- 241
| X | X | -- 7 -- 242
| X | X | -- 8 -- 243
| X | X | -- 30 -- 244
| X | X | -- 19 -- 245
| X | X | -- 5 -- 246
| X | X | -- 20 -- 247
| X | X | -- 23 -- 248
| X | X | -- 30 -- 249
| X | X | -- 13 -- 250
| X | X | -- 6 -- 251
| X | X | -- 25 -- 252
| X | X | -- 18 -- 253
| X | X | -- 35 -- 254
| X | X | -- 17 -- 255
| X | X | -- 28 -- 256
| X | X | -- 8 -- 257
| X | X | -- 17 -- 258
| X | X | -- 17 -- 259
| X | X | -- 25 -- 260
| X | X | -- 27 -- 261
| X | X | -- 9 -- 262
| X | X | -- 2 -- 263
| X | X | -- 14 -- 264
| X | X | -- 32 -- 265
| X | X | -- 32 -- 266
| X | X | -- 4 -- 267
| X | X | -- 31 -- 268
| X | X | -- 16 -- 269
| X | X | -- 30 -- 270
| X | X | -- 8 -- 271
| X | X | -- 31 -- 272
| X | X | -- 28 -- 273
| X | X | -- 17 -- 274
| X | X | -- 15 -- 275
| X | X | -- 7 -- 276
| X | X | -- 3 -- 277
| X | X | -- 24 -- 278
| X | X | -- 28 -- 279
| X | X | -- 34 -- 280
| X | X | -- 6 -- 281
| X | X | -- 8 -- 282
| X | X | -- 29 -- 283
| X | X | -- 32 -- 284
| X | X | -- 34 -- 285
| X | X | -- 20 -- 286
| X | X | -- 11 -- 287
| X | X | -- 36 -- 288
| X | X | -- 20 -- 289
| X | X | -- 27 -- 290
| X | X | -- 30 -- 291
| X | X | -- 34 -- 292
| X | X | -- 10 -- 293
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| X | X | -- 13 -- 299
| X | X | -- 9 -- 300
| X | X | -- 32 -- 301
| X | X | -- 6 -- 302
| X | X | -- 29 -- 303
| X | X | -- 13 -- 304
| X | X | -- 22 -- 305
| X | X | -- 6 -- 306
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There's one loss in the columns section at spin 226 because of the zero and the following sequence. The forum limited the number of characters so I had to cut it short to just above 300 spins.
any losses in the dozens? that's what i was testing
Quote from: WhiteKnight on May 20, 03:07 PM 2010
any losses in the dozens? that's what i was testing
I didn't see one. What spin did it happen at? 222?
Oops, there is one there. I missed it. So there are two misses, maybe more.
I could post several tests so that you can see how to get used to reading the chart.
yeah i hit the first at 182 and then the second around spin 220, then i stopped
Quote from: WhiteKnight on May 20, 03:12 PM 2010
yeah i hit the first at 182 and then the second around spin 220, then i stopped
The loss begins at 211 and ends at 222.
There are a total of 4 losses in 775 spins, tracking two different sets for a total of 1550 spins tested.
That fits nicely with the idea that every 300 spins averages one loss. I wonder if that will stand up to long termed testing.
and the first loss starts at 175 and ends at 182. . . the two losses are quite close to each other which would really hurt the BR
Quote from: WhiteKnight on May 20, 03:22 PM 2010
and the first loss starts at 175 and ends at 182. . . the two losses are quite close to each other which would really hurt the BR
Yes there is one there. I must be blind. geeze, that makes 5 losses out of both sets of 1550 spins from the 775 tested.
I wonder what the average win rate is?
Quote from: Gizmotron link=topic=121. msg681#msg681 date=1274383170
The loss begins at 211 and ends at 222.
There are a total of 4 losses in 775 spins, tracking two different sets for a total of 1550 spins tested.
That fits nicely with the idea that every 300 spins averages one loss. I wonder if that will stand up to long termed testing.
i doubt it bud, the two losses that i experienced very close together is enough for me to think it is not a long term winner, even tried the other progressions also. think i'm finished testing this one unfortunately :P. Thanks for sharing anyway!
Quote from: WhiteKnight on May 20, 03:30 PM 2010
i doubt it bud, the two losses that i experienced very close together is enough for me to think it is not a long term winner, even tried the other progressions also. think i'm finished testing this one unfortunately :P
Great, randomness never guarantees when something like that will happen. It's the first time I've seen that happen that close together. What are the odds that your first test would give you a bad set like that. I said that sometimes you will lose twice out of any 300 spin test. That's counting both dozens/column sets too.
This is kind of rewarding. The first time I post results and it has a profitable yet average set of circumstances that are interpreted as worthless. There is no way on planet earth that I'm going to give advice. Thanks for testing this.
Quote from: Gizmotron link=topic=121. msg686#msg686 date=1274384278
Great, randomness never guarantees when something like that will happen. It's the first time I've seen that happen that close together. What are the odds that your first test would give you a bad set like that. I said that sometimes you will lose twice out of any 300 spin test. That's counting both dozens/column sets too.
This is kind of rewarding. The first time I post results and it has a profitable yet average set of circumstances that are interpreted as worthless. There is no way on planet earth that I'm going to give advice. Thanks for testing this.
lOOK giz, WE HAVE HAD OUR DIFFERENCES. And we're never likely to be buddies. Let me tell you one thing, what you are laying on here now was tested by myself years ago. Why didn't I use it? Because it didn't stand up like the 4th game. I settled on the way I play the zone for one reason, and one reason ONLY. It works. And you are risking 91pts for a game you may only have to play once a month if even that. Not 300 points or so everytime you play your version. I don't want to argue or dis-credit you Giz, you're obviously an intelligent person. But I have studied this thing for so long. I know what I am talking about when it comes to this strategy. Please try to understand that.
don't feel offended on my account, it was not my intention if i offended you, i just got the feeling from my limited testing that this method would not work for me so i am ceasing my testing of it. feel free to continue testing, and the same goes for the other members. . .
hi gizmotron,
PLayed this progression for about 130 odd spins had 2 losses, both on the columns( one had 0 appearing and the other loss didnt)
have some questions for you. Hope u answer them please :D
1. when the 0 appears, do we track 2 new numbers b4 continuing our bet? at the next progression level? Or do we actually use the number that appeared b4 0 and the number that appeared after it?
2. You did mention something about avoiding betting if the 0's are active. What would this conditions be like in your opinion???
3. How long would you recommend one session to be? and possible w/l targets??i'm assuming that the min br would be 240 units. 20-30 unit target per session??
Cheers and best regards
hamsup
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on May 20, 04:10 PM 2010
1. when the 0 appears, do we track 2 new numbers b4 continuing our bet? at the next progression level? Or do we actually use the number that appeared b4 0 and the number that appeared after it?
2. You did mention something about avoiding betting if the 0's are active. What would this conditions be like in your opinion???
3. How long would you recommend one session to be? and possible w/l targets??I'm assuming that the min br would be 240 units. 20-30 unit target per session??
1.) I wait two spins after each zero, to see if a new single appears.
2.) When zeros start hitting within ten spins of each other or when they repeat.
3.) I run 300 spin tests. But I would end with 25 to 30 units. as a good goal. A loss is 80 units. Maybe winning 80 is a good idea.
Quote from: WhiteKnight on May 20, 03:44 PM 2010
don't feel offended on my account, it was not my intention if i offended you, i just got the feeling from my limited testing that this method would not work for me so i am ceasing my testing of it. feel free to continue testing, and the same goes for the other members. . .
I'm not offended. I just don't want to give advice to anyone that tests this.
Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 20, 03:44 PM 2010
lOOK giz, WE HAVE HAD OUR DIFFERENCES. And we're never likely to be buddies. Let me tell you one thing, what you are laying on here now was tested by myself years ago. Why didn't I use it? Because it didn't stand up like the 4th game. I settled on the way I play the zone for one reason, and one reason ONLY. It works. And you are risking 91pts for a game you may only have to play once a month if even that. Not 300 points or so everytime you play your version. I don't want to argue or dis-credit you Giz, you're obviously an intelligent person. But I have studied this thing for so long. I know what I am talking about when it comes to this strategy. Please try to understand that.
I think it's important to document your comment here. You might try to delete it. We would not want that to happen. Thanks for your comments.
Quote from: Gizmotron link=topic=121. msg696#msg696 date=1274386714
1. ) I wait two spins after each zero, to see if a new single appears.
2. ) When zeros start hitting within ten spins of each other or when they repeat.
3. ) I run 300 spin tests. But I would end with 25 to 30 units. as a good goal. A loss is 80 units. Maybe winning 80 is a good idea.
Gizmo,
I have tried your system on 750 spins so far and have had only had 1 loss. I have been using your exact rules, except for the zero factor but they weren't an issue in my loss. I've only tested the dozens so far. I will go back and test the columns to see how they do on the same spins.
If this works out to 1 loss on average every 300 spins, depending on how many repeats we have with both dozens and columns, it's still a winning system.
Unlike the WhiteKnight, I'm not even close to being ready to throw in the towel. Every system has losing stretches. We just need to test this one to see if they're far enough apart to leave us with a positive balance.
And as with any system, we should have an adequate bankroll to withstand a negative start if it should happen before we start accumulating the casino's $$.
GLC
GLC, what I've been seeing is a few more two losses as of late. A two loss might average out to breaking even. It might be a little ahead or a little behind. But for the last week it's been averaging one loss for 300 spins. It will be interesting seeing it used by several different testers. Eventually there will be a general consciences.
I don't know if I have the worst luck in the world or what....
On my first try I got the following:
WLLLLWLLLLWLWW
Here are the spins:
Trump Plaza, Las Vegas, Nevada, October 10, 1999
31 8 4 24 24 32 26 0 31 28 10 9 29 22 0 0 30 33 2 9 1 11 21 17 23 36 16 00 27 21
29 26 25 15 34 22 10 11 11 14 15 00 34 7 10 30 27 8 1 13 8 25 11
I guess this doesn't happen too much, right?
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 20, 04:18 PM 2010
1.) I wait two spins after each zero, to see if a new single appears.
2.) When zeros start hitting within ten spins of each other or when they repeat.
3.) I run 300 spin tests. But I would end with 25 to 30 units. as a good goal. A loss is 80 units. Maybe winning 80 is a good idea.
Many thanks giz
hamsup
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on May 21, 04:50 AM 2010
I don't know if I have the worst luck in the world or what....
On my first try I got the following:
WLLLLWLLLLWLWW
Here are the spins:
Trump Plaza, Las Vegas, Nevada, October 10, 1999
31 8 4 24 24 32 26 0 31 28 10 9 29 22 0 0 30 33 2 9 1 11 21 17 23 36 16 00 27 21
29 26 25 15 34 22 10 11 11 14 15 00 34 7 10 30 27 8 1 13 8 25 11
I guess this doesn't happen too much, right?
That's very interesting Scooby. What made you select spins from October 10, 1999? To have you select that set of spins as your first set of spins is an incredible and significant circumstance. Anyone might think that you have the worst luck on planet earth at that moment. Does this happen to you a lot? That might be far more interesting to discuss than this progression.
I tried it and did very well for about 300 spins without a single loss and then 3 losses within close proximity.
Lucky it was paper testing
GIZMOTRON,
You asked what made me decide to choose those spins....It was quite "random". I have a list of decisions from several casinos.
The group of decisions I chose to use to test your method just happened to be the first casino and group of decisions at the top of the first page.
I definately didn't look to try to find decisions that would defeat your method. I was hoping your method would work.
I was just surprised to have two losses right off the bat like that...especially that close together.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/tested-gizmotron-progression-for-21-bets/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/tested-gizmotron-progression-for-21-bets/)
This method is betting the chops on dozens or columns and the idea is half of my system 4x4 drive, therefore only half so good. The progression is hazardous far away from smooth Leveller progression and never HG, but never stop trying to do better is the way to real Holy Grails.
Cheers Hermes