JUST AN IDEA I AM JOTTING DOWN
Do not bet real money...please feel free to test and give suggestions.
This makes some sense if you like the Law of the Third ideas.
Note the last 12 in notepad (I am using number statistics in RX set to last 12)
if any of the last 12 are repeats, bet on them. Then continue, only adding any numbers which hit that you can see in the notepad.
Currently, I stop on a win and note what the last 12 are. Start again.
16,16,22,31,33,14,1,0, 29, 11,3,33. This is the last 12.
Bet on 16 and 33 because they repeated....continue
17,17,1 (add 1 to 33,16) 17, 33 WIN....note the last 12
33,17,1,17,17,33,3,11,29,0,1,14......
bet on 33,17,1 and continue
0 (add 0 to 33,17,1) 21, 6,6,3 (add 3) 17 WIN
Good hit rate on this. Un tested yet more than 1000 spins.
only let 5 losses that dont even add a number to the bet then stop and reset.
bv
0 (add 0 to 33,17,1) 21, 6,6,3 (add 3) 17 WIN
Wouldn't you also bet the 6?
Sam
Hi Turner,
if you get a hit, then you would retrack the last 12 numbers. Would you put in the last one played ?!? Since it has hit 3 times by now.
What about the numbers hit three times within the last 12 spins ? Use them ?
Ray
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 25, 05:58 PM 2013
0 (add 0 to 33,17,1) 21, 6,6,3 (add 3) 17 WIN
Wouldn't you also bet the 6?
Sam
Sam...the 6 isnt in the original 12. You jot down the last 12. You bet any repeats and continue. If any of your jotted down 12 hit, you bet them
i think its like catch the 8 train express...lol
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 25, 06:03 PM 2013
Hi Turner,
if you get a hit, then you would retrack the last 12 numbers. Would you put in the last one played ?!? Since it has hit 3 times by now.
What about the numbers hit three times within tohe last 12 spins ? Use them ?
Ray
Ray, if it was the 1st time you jotted down 12 you would include it...so yes.
Jot down the last 12. forgot what just happened or you are guessing random...kinda saying...well 31 has hit 4 time now., I'm not betting that. As you know...humans suck at writing down random numbers because they are biased to patterns
REMEMBER....no hard and fast rules...I just made it up.
But it looks like it incorporates numbers in the last 12 hitting and numbers repeating plus fresh starts (not betting the same for ages) which loses to the house edge
what I would love is for some one to say...Turner, good idea, but it made me think of this idea, what do you think....
It will tank...I'm not s.tupid...but this tank turned around and shot at me
The best part of thinking of a new idea is these early victorys. Enjoy while it lasts
Quote from: biagle on Feb 25, 05:55 PM 2013
bv
120U to buy the lady something nice...lol
Turner
It's a good idea.
Let me put in my words and you tell me if I'm right.
1. Start tracking numbers.
2. Bet any numbers that have hit twice while tracking. (Or do you wait for a full 12 before betting at all?)
3. Stop when you have 12 unique numbers. (Or is is just any 12? Could you have four of #3 and eight more?)
4. Bet until you have five numbers come that do not either cause a win or a new bet.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 25, 06:46 PM 2013
Turner
It's a good idea.
Let me put in my words and you tell me if I'm right.
1. Start tracking numbers.
2. Bet any numbers that have hit twice while tracking. (Or do you wait for a full 12 before betting at all?)
3. Stop when you have 12 unique numbers. (Or is is just any 12? Could you have four of #3 and eight more?)
4. Bet until you have five numbers come that do not either cause a win or a new bet.
Sam
Not quite dear sam....
we look at the last 12 hits....not numbers, hits. We write them down.
We rarely will have 12 numbers, but mostly 10 or 8 and rarely less than 8
here are last 12 HITS....but I put them in order so they are easier on the eye.
1 12 13 14 17 17 22 29 30 30 33, 0. This is our 12.
here, 17 and 30 are repeats.
We can start by placing a bet on those 2.
as the numbers now spin we check if they are in our 12.
if they its not, we bet 17,30 again. if the next number is in our 12, say 0, we add it and bet 17,30,0.
next number is 22. its not in the 12 so we bet 17, 30,0 again. next number is 1. Its in our 12, so we bet 17,30,0,1.
Next number is 17. We win.
Now jot down the last 12 HITS..... and start again
If its going nowhere, i.e 5 spins and nothing from our 12. Stop...start again
Turner
I got it; let's bot it!!
Sam
Repeating numbers...the way to go
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 25, 08:46 PM 2013
Turner
I got it; let's bot it!!
Sam
Your a poet, and didnt know it
RK
I agree. don't be looking what the dealer is doing, look what random numbers do.
Its just a basic idea based on first principles. Repeats in the first 12....the 1st 12 will hit again in 37 somewhere.. perhaps people may think its got too much pepper, or needs more salt. Please think about what to do when it doesn't hit. it definatly has a hitrate. But as ever, it doesn't sometimes.
What to do when it doesn't?
Turner
Turner
My only question is why you do not seek 12 unique.
sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 26, 05:26 AM 2013
Turner
My only question is why you do not seek 12 unique.
sam
Well...it can take a while and im after repeats....why not take the repeats that are already there. But....i will test to see if the hitrate is better with 12 uniques. Thanks...its a logical question.
Turner
If you just play the numbers that repeat and play them for a finite time you have several things working for you.
The random "pattern" of numbers repeating. Plus you have a small number of numbers being played. Therefore you don't have massive drawdowns within a few spins and don't have to use any crazy progressions to buy your way out of the drawdown. But if it goes too far...you could. This isn't like a dozens bet that you start at 6 misses and are out of table limit by 17. Beyond that you aren't necessarily betting all the time, so you should avoid at least for the most part the coldest of the cold spots between what generally comes out as waves of repeaters.
Test and see. On the airball wheel I usually play...if you don't get the 3rd hit (the one that pays) within 18-20 spins it's statistically unlikely to happen. Testing will show what the sweetspot is for that 3rd hit. I know playing 36 spins makes it easy to calculate in your head where you are for profit and loss on any single attack...but you may want to consider if the string of losses isn't too long once you get dialed in and the bankroll is sufficient. +1 on a loss after say a 20 spin attack and -1 after a win.
Of course if you are playing to win and not just grind out a small profit. You have to at some point have enough testing to recognize the wave on the way up and play a positive progression on the wins...maybe plus 3 or 4 units for a few spins after a win. testing will dictate the play on the spin count...experience will dictate when to really attack with the larger units.
Nice thing is...even if you miss on the bigger attack...since it's coming in a winning wave you should be doing it with winnings and since you are playing a small amount of numbers...it won't destroy you if it doesn't pan out and you can recover quickly due to the architecture of the method.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 26, 07:42 AM 2013
If you just play the numbers that repeat and play them for a finite time you have several things working for you.
The random "pattern" of numbers repeating. Plus you have a small number of numbers being played. Therefore you don't have massive drawdowns within a few spins and don't have to use any crazy progressions to buy your way out of the drawdown. But if it goes too far...you could. This isn't like a dozens bet that you start at 6 misses and are out of table limit by 17. Beyond that you aren't necessarily betting all the time, so you should avoid at least for the most part the coldest of the cold spots between what generally comes out as waves of repeaters.
Test and see. On the airball wheel I usually play...if you don't get the 3rd hit (the one that pays) within 18-20 spins it's statistically unlikely to happen. Testing will show what the sweetspot is for that 3rd hit. I know playing 36 spins makes it easy to calculate in your head where you are for profit and loss on any single attack...but you may want to consider if the string of losses isn't too long once you get dialed in and the bankroll is sufficient. +1 on a loss after say a 20 spin attack and -1 after a win.
Of course if you are playing to win and not just grind out a small profit. You have to at some point have enough testing to recognize the wave on the way up and play a positive progression on the wins...maybe plus 3 or 4 units for a few spins after a win. testing will dictate the play on the spin count...experience will dictate when to really attack with the larger units.
Nice thing is...even if you miss on the bigger attack...since it's coming in a winning wave you should be doing it with winnings and since you are playing a small amount of numbers...it won't destroy you if it doesn't pan out and you can recover qui
ckly due to the architecture of the method.
Yes...i agree. Even if f its falacy, flawed and misguided.....it isnt a bank roll killer. Ive not stopped after 5 lossrs when i am only betting 1 or 2 numbers because its not killing me and it often wons like that....with only one or two chips on the table. If you arnt greedy and plan to win 25u per day this may be all you need.
This idea is interesting, i thouht of something different im going to try . :thumbsup:
Turner
Let's use an exaggerample:
3 3 3 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9
There you have 12 numbers. You would be hoping for the #3 to hit again in five spins. (Or some other number.) I am unclear what you would do if number 10 hit. Is it just discarded?
Sam
Dear Turner,
Hi,
Can you give me an example with numbers (and your thoughts) to see it in action,
I will then make a tracker for all to test.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 26, 08:36 AM 2013
Turner
Let's use an exaggerample:
3 3 3 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9
There you have 12 numbers. You would be hoping for the #3 to hit again in five spins. (Or some other number.) I am unclear what you would do if number 10 hit. Is it just discarded?
Sam
Sam..
Yes you are hoping 3 will hit as you are betting it from the off...but..you are hoping the others hit so you can add them to the 3. 10 isnt in the initial twelve numbers so u wont use it, so keep betting what HAS hit from your 12 jotted down.
Thing is, 10 may be in the next 12 you jot down and you may very well be betting on it in the next session because its just come out.
Quote from: probasah on Feb 26, 09:11 AM 2013
Dear Turner,
Hi,
Can you give me an example with numbers (and your thoughts) to see it in action,
I will then make a tracker for all to test.
Regards,
Alex
Will do alex in 5 or so hours. Cant do Jack on this android
Here is a short session, randomly picked from RX....... Hohensyburg Casino, Westspiel, to explain as asked by Alex
If nothing happens in 5 spins, i.e, no numbers added or no wins we Stop and grab a new 12. There are 2 examples of that in this run.
Session: hony20130221_0108.rmd
First 12 hits
5,7,16,21,23,11,2,9,11,13,10,12 (the 1st 12) write them down.
(betting 11 because it repeated in the 1st 12)
13 (bet 11 and adding 13 because its in the 1st 12)
34 (bet 11,13) (34 isnt in the 1st 12)
35 (bet 11,13) (35 isnt in the 1st 12)
8 (bet 11,13) (8 isnt in the 1st 12)
16 (bet 11,13) (16 isnt in the 1st 12)
12 (bet 11, 12, 13) (12 is in the 1st 12)
27 (bet 11, 12, 13) (27 isnt in the 1st 12)
20 (bet 11, 12, 13) (20 is in the 1st 12)
11 WIN +16U
Now collect the last 12 hits (I'm doing this of stats/numbers in RX set to last 12)
8,10,11,12,12,13,13,16,20,27,34,35 (the 2nd 12)
Bet 12,13 because they are repeaters from the 2nd 12)
2 (bet 12, 13) (2 isnt in the 2nd 12)
20 (bet 12, 13,20) (20 is in the 2nd 12)
31 (bet 12, 13,20) (31 isnt in the 2nd 12)
1 (bet 12, 13,20) (1 isnt the 2nd 12)
24 (bet 12, 13,20) (24 isnt in the 2nd 12)
29 (bet 12, 13,20) (29 isnt in the 2nd 12)
21 (bet 12, 13,20) (21 isnt in the 2nd 12)
20 WIN +30U
I can explain less now…you get it I'm sure.
1,2,11,12,20,20,20,21,24,27,29,31 (3rd 12)
Bet 20 because it’s a repeater in 3rd 12
16 (bet 20)
32 (bet 20)
14 (bet 20)
12 (bet 12,20)
0 (bet 12,20)
23 (bet 12,20)
17 (bet 12,20)
19 (bet 12,20)
20 WIN +57
12,14,16,17,19,20,20,21,23,29,32,0 (4th 12)
(Bet 20)
13 (Bet 20)
30 (Bet 20)
16 (Bet 16,20)
22 (Bet 16,20)
5 (Bet 16,20)
12 (Bet 12, 16,20)
19 (Bet 12,16,19,20)
20 (WIN) +77
5,12,13,16,17,19,19,20,20,22,23,30 (5th 12)
(bet 19 20)
14 (bet 19 20)
17 (bet 17,19 20)
12 (bet 12,17,19 20)
33 (bet 12,17,19 20)
36 (bet 12,17,19 20)
17 WIN + 94
5,12,12,14,16,17,17,19,20,22,33,36 (6th 12)
(Bet 12,17)
21 (Bet 12,17)
4 (Bet 12,17)
34 (Bet 12,17)
29 (Bet 12,17)
17 WIN +120u
4,12,14,17,17,17,20,21,29,33,34,36 (7th 12)
(Bet 17)
30
2
13
26
1
(STOP, 5 unproductive hits)
1,2,4,13,17,17,21,26,29,30,34,36,
(Bet 17)
0
21 (Bet 17,21)
32
33
15
27
27
(STOP, 5 unproductive hits)
1,2,13,15,21,26,27,27,30,32,33,0
Bet 27
3
34
7
2 (bet 2,27)
27 WIN +133u
Good test, Turner.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 26, 05:51 PM 2013
Good test, Turner.
thanks.
I tested the next downloaded permz in RX (attached)
The rests of "5 no input" seem to know when the wave is on the downslide....like roulette KEY pointed out.
Like a pressure valve LoL.....musnt get carried away.
.musnt get carried away.
Turner
If you do get carried away, I feel certain they will soon bring you back!
;)
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 26, 06:13 PM 2013
.musnt get carried away.
Turner
If you do get carried away, I feel certain they will soon bring you back!
;)
Samster
Well every idea here greatly benefits from your interest and enthusiasm so I'm glad you are on board
Thankee, Bro. I'm going to give this a real nickel test.
Hi Turner
And good evening all
Here is the tracker. Not sure what to say, made a 30k run (random numbers) and it loses only about 3k units.
1.Wait for first 12 numbers
2. Start betting the numbers
Turner, i think the tracker fits the method you described. Let me know if there is any error.
For me it looks a good bet.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: warrior on Feb 26, 08:31 AM 2013
This idea is interesting, i thouht of something different I'm going to try . :thumbsup:
Lol...call me a cab...."you'r a cab"
"I shot a bear in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I'll never know."................Groucho
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 27, 05:36 AM 2013
"I shot a bear in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I'll never know."................Groucho
A tall blonde passed the window...i knew she was tall ....i was on the 3rd floor
Doctor doctor, I broke my leg in two places.
Doctor, "don't go in those places" Tommy Cooper.
Sorry Turner!
Quote from: Turner on Feb 27, 05:35 AM 2013
LoL...call me a cab...."you'r a cab"
This remindes me of a story ,about 20 years or so ago i drove a cab and i went on a call,this guy needed a ride to the airport ,it was about a 20 min. ride so i started conversation, small talk,he had this bag what looked like a hockey bag,i had asked if he would like to put it in the trunk he said no ,i will put it on my lap ,but the dam thing was so big ,i had no clue how he would fit it in the back seat so i thought to my self what ever,any ways ,half way to the airport I'm talking to the guy i made the mistake of asking him what was in the hockey bag ,i thought he was a hockey player,he shouts its non of your f****** business,keep driving ,i said look no need to be rude sir he responded you got a f****** problem ,that's when i stop the cab i open the door grabbed the guy by the jacket and his hair pulled out of my cab and through him on the ground ,got back in the cab took off , i got to the station to tell my boss what had happed,i i notice the fuckin guy left is hockey bag in the back of the seat ,anyways had no clue what the guys problem was.
Quote from: warrior on Feb 27, 08:05 AM 2013
This remindes me of a story ,about 20 years or so ago i drove a cab and i went on a call,this guy needed a ride to the airport ,it was about a 20 min. ride so i started conversation, small talk,he had this bag what looked like a hockey bag,i had asked if he would like to put it in the trunk he said no ,i will put it on my lap ,but the dam thing was so big ,i had no clue how he would fit it in the back seat so i thought to my self what ever,any ways ,half way to the airport I'm talking to the guy i made the mistake of asking him what was in the hockey bag ,i thought he was a hockey player,he shouts its non of your f****** business,keep driving ,i said look no need to be rude sir he responded you got a f****** problem ,that's when i stop the cab i open the door grabbed the guy by the jacket at his hair pulled out of my cab and through him on the ground ,got back in the cab took off , i got to the station to tell my boss what had happed,i i notice the fuckin guy left is hockey bag in the back of the seat ,anyways had no clue what the guys problem was.
Surely you are gonna tell me what was in the bag
Quote from: Turner on Feb 27, 08:16 AM 2013
Surely you are gonna tell me what was in the bag
BULL SHIT LIKE THE REST OF THE STORY, :lol:
SORRY TURNER
Reading this made oolong tea come out my nose. I wish I had a video!
Broken legs, tall blondes and bullshit. Somehow they all fit in a roulette forum!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 27, 09:16 AM 2013
Reading this made oolong tea come out my nose. I wish I had a video!
Broken legs, tall blondes and B.S.. Somehow they all fit in a roulette forum!
We digress :thumbsup:
Back to testing me thinx
Hey turner,
Just saw your last post now, i was betting only on the last 12 repeats, without the stop loss after 5. I will update the tracker in the following days. It seems to me that the method its really worth looking into.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: probasah on Feb 27, 09:41 AM 2013
Hey turner,
Just saw your last post now, i was betting only on the last 12 repeats, without the stop-loss after 5. I will update the tracker in the following days. It seems to me that the method its really worth looking into.
Regards,
Alex
Nice one Alex
Your help is very welcome
Quote from: Turner on Feb 27, 06:18 AM 2013
A tall blonde passed the window...i knew she was tall ....i was on the 3rd floor
Bet high! 3 Doz.
Hey Turner,
Dear all,
Finished the tracker today, it was a bit challenging with the stop
losses, but it does what the method says to do, (with the stoploss after
5)
The tracker works but you have to put first the
0= 37 in your spins
That is because the it readed wins where there were "" fields on the bets
giving false wins.
The tracker took me more than 7 hours to build because of the complex
stoploss formula
It can be used with how many spins you want , but you need to convert the
0 into 37
an easy fix is like this
open your spins in the notepad++ or word
1)ctrl+f >> Replace >>> 0 with 37
enter
then
2)ctrl+f >> Replace >>> 137 with 10
3)ctrl+f >> Replace >>> 237 with 20
4)ctrl+f >> Replace >>> 337 with 30
Save your list of spins (0=37) and load it into the tracker
Ctrl+a (select all)
Ctrl+c (Copy)
Ctrl+v (Paste) into the green column
I builded into the tracker a formula to automatically give you a number
between 1 and 36 +0=37
=RANDBETWEEN(1;37)
if you refresh the excel it will generate alot of RANDOM conditions(4000
numbers)
If you want to test it live, just start to place numbers on the green
column, and place numbers in it and bet the numbers remember place 37
instead of zero
For me this bet is intriguing(to say the least) maybe you can come up
with ideas so that we can improve it.
To resume:
BETING MAX 10 numbers (6 repeaters from the grou of 12+ other 4 numbers
that are consequently added if no stoploss comes along)
FLAT BET only
You can use it right away, just place the first 12 spins in the B column,
and then add spins as they come, remember to place 37 instead of 0.
Like always, my trackers are free for all, so you can modify the formulas
as you wish to suit your needs.
If you have any questions, i am here.
Regards,
Alex
This one looks promising.
Anyone had a look into this, guys?
Maybe with a tweak we can make it work?
\\
Lets try to focus on good systems, im already tired following all the "holy grails" in this forum.
Regards,
Alex
I have used the same type of select from 12 last, and start play numbers as soon they hit. The difference is I add a chip on a hit number, and do not stop on first plus. I stop on plus after a number is hit by a stake of at least three. There are often very frequent hit on a number, and we can try to bet higher on those. Just did two sessions using 0.1 chips got 52 plus on the first and 143 on the other. Yes it went down more than 100 once, but a hit on three gives it back.
Quote from: probasah on Apr 12, 04:45 AM 2013
This one looks promising.
Anyone had a look into this, guys?
Maybe with a tweak we can make it work?
\\
Lets try to focus on good systems, I'm already tired following all the "holy grails" in this forum.
Regards,
Alex
I am back on it. I totally forgot i had done this. It looks good. I do this a lot.....forget i did something. Aparantly...ive been married 30 years.