Guys
If you read Matt's post, you know he alerted me that BV might take my screen shot, compare it to their records, and cause trouble for me later on. So I'll have to think about postings and videos.
But I started with 400 Euro, went up to 500 Euro and am now at about 435 Euro. The first trot was a breeze; this one is a struggle.
Sam
Doing really well!!
How's that for vague??
Works for me - lol!
Seriously, Matt
I am running two bots on two computers on two accounts--neither of which I own. Since I am an American, I must depend on the kindness of others to help me play.
So your message was a God-send! I would hate to embarass anyone.
Hey guys.............................
It's really too soon to tell, but it "seems" I have learned how to interact with these bots. I am working two of them on two computers. It is amazing what I have learned in the past week! There are so many ways to slow the losses. Spike and Giz do have a point: I am beginning to see patterns in which way the Ls and Fs come. I can predict--with some accuracy--what's going to happen.
Still gambler's fallacy!!
8)
SamBot
No problem Sam, just something I though of while reading the post. BV could care less about you if your losing, but if you starting seriously winning and they can easily prove that your 'cheating', you can kiss your money goodbye.
keep us posted, lots of luck.
Matt
Hey guys.
Where do i find the description of the bet for L v F?
is there a history trail i can follow and play catch up?
FLAT IN O advised me to take a look.......... :smile:
Any pointers for me?
Chris . . . here's where I think it all started . . .
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10330.msg93003#msg93003 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10330.msg93003#msg93003)
cheers Nick
:smile:
Chris
The actual system is quite confusing. Basically you wait for 9 splits that have only hit once in the trot. These are the "Last". The others, the oldest splits are the "Furthest". So we're pitting the Last vs the Furthest.
But no need to learn it at all!!
I'm attaching the L v F sheet which will do the work for you. Just put in the numbers and bet where it tells you to. I have also posted a clicker which you can use to click the L and then the F. But the bot is the "Cat's Meow".
Let me know if I can help. I've gotten pretty salty at it. Been studying it four months, all day every day.
Sam
and there's me thinking it was a Lines bet!
So its a Splits bet covering two numbers.....
sounds just like Ivica's old bet that used to have a tracker for it built by Ophis?
Is it Lines or is it Splits Sam?
[reveal] I can't run spread sheets on this laptop, as I haven't got Microsoft Word programs on it!! :'( [/reveal]
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 06, 03:31 AM 2013
and there's me thinking it was a Lines bet!
So its a Splits bet covering two numbers.....
sounds just like Ivica's old bet that used to have a tracker for it built by Ophis?
Is it Lines or is it Splits Sam?
[reveal] I can't run spread sheets on this laptop, as I haven't got Microsoft Word programs on it!! :'( [/reveal]
splits
L v F Excel Sheet (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=f0bePfakG5c#)
Guys
Here is a video of how I play. I made some mistakes in math as you will hear.
I finished up 6 Eruo, not 6 units. My unit is .05, so if you count units, I finished up 180.
If you were to ask me how the four trots went as a whole, I would say "average". I was on line less than 30 minutes. So, on average, a person could make 180 units in thirty minutes "most of the time".
That ain't bad!!
Any questions? Fire at will.
Sam
OK
Just got the "Dream Run". Ah, we can only dream that such runs occur often!!
You guys understand what I'm doing is "subjective" or, as winkel said, "Gambler's Intelligence". I don't think a bot can duplicate it. It's a lot like a backhoe: It does the grunt work (math, placing bets) and I do the directing.
FLASH........
Before I could post this shot, I got the absolute RFH!! Go figure!
Sam
sam, check this magic O0
biagle
What sheet is that??
Sam
spins from last session
No, I mean the Excel sheet. It looks different from the one in the bot.
this sheet is not from bot, i dont own it. This sheet was shared here on forum
Sam,
I think Biagle owns the original sheet.
The bot sheet has some more fancy colors that i coded in it ;D
Stef
I have not posted this as I wanted it to cool for a day.
I had a seriously rough patch but came through it with only a few scrapes.
I am quite some above this total as the bot is running now.
Sam
nice to see someone winning Sam! Hope it continues.
MM
MM
Yes, it feels good!!
I am not yet ready to make any Johnlegend statements, but I do have hope!
Sam
@Sam. (and others playing the L v F spreadsheet)
may i give you some free advice re-BV............... after a good session and if your ahead....... reset the game, and log-out of BV for a few minutes.
Don't ask me why...but it did make huge difference for me.
I reset after each of my bots had won their allotted target, closed the game, properly logged out and set up again.
That process varied from approx 20 to 30 min sessions
Chris
It's certainly worth trying.
But here's what I've found.
I put 200 Euro in the game account hoping to win 100. Sometimes I get numbers that seem tailor made for the L v F and other days just the opposite. The ExcelBot never closes the BV window (unless I tell it to) so there is no interruption in the BV stream.
Ralph--who seems to know a lot--says that BV uses a photon beam from some Quantum Physics device for their numbers. He swears no matter what you do, you will get a perfectly random number the next spin. Somehow the thing changes 32,000 times per second, so the chances of hitting a non-random number is 1 in 32,000.
Ralph makes money at BV. He posts screen shots of his history. It's fantastic. They have limited him to 2,000 Euros per month that he can withdraw.
So, I'll weigh what you say, but I'll also keep Ralph's Quantum Physics in mind,
Thanks
Sam
I know.....
we also studied the SHA-256 number cruncher in detail.
its interesting stuff for engineers like me................ (geek in another form u understand!) lol
keep it coming Sam....if screen shots are difficult for u, just give us an appreciable outline of your game sessions, and how it went.
Bayes has written a lot about SHA-256. He claims it literally guarantees that BV is providing truly random numbers and are NOT sending rouge numbers--like zero--to beat you.
So, given what Ralph and Bayes say, I'm pretty sure BV is totally fair.
As to the screen shots, since I am an American playing on a friend's account, it's just best I don't reveal too much.
Sam
Rogue.
......
Fully understand your P.O.V.
:thumbsup:
Dang! Where's me brain today?? Rouge numbers!! :-[
"Why you running there, Luke?"
"Man I'm bein' charged by a rouge elephant."
"Don't you mean "rogue"?
"No, man! Look at the cheeks on that beast!"
Sam
lol !!
You been on the sherry again......I can tell Samster!!! lol :girl_to:
Maybe the elephant was on a promise! and "Rouged" up a little! ha ha....
A bit of a report on my progress..............
I was at 611 or thereabouts. As you know, I won't say exactly. Could have been 610 or 631. 611 is a fair statement.
I have fallen off some. Won't say how much, but it hurt like a booger-bear.
I am not assigning blame here, but the absolute truth is that BV cuts me off regularly. It usually happens when I'm down, so I have to pay the 10% tax just to get even. If I'm down 90 and they cut me off, I have to win over 100 to get even.
I have also learned that if you don't shut BV down correctly and some money is left on the table, it goes to the "house". Lord knows how much I've given them by shutting down wrong.
Now the $64,000 question: When they cut me off and I have money on the table, do they get it? That would really be a bummer.
Sam
Fighting the sin of hubris as I type........
The ExcelBot run over 100 Euro profit today in about six to seven hours. Got cut off but was always up when it happened.
Very small draw down--less than $10. As I told Nick, it was a day to make you wish you'd bet dollars!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 11, 05:52 PM 2013
Fighting the sin of hubris as I type........
The ExcelBot run over 100 Euro profit today in about six to seven hours. Got cut off but was always up when it happened.
Very small draw down--less than $10. As I told Nick, it was a day to make you wish you'd bet dollars!!
Sam
LoL...Sam...I love your turn of phrase.
But which hubris do you sin for?
Hubris (pron.: /ˈhjuËbrɪs/), also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβÏιÏ,, means extreme pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.
You know I read everything and I so enjoy reading your stuff...
Turner
Thanks. I feel it's all the red.
I get that feeling that I've got it whipped, that I'm a little bit smarter than the herd and reality slaps my d**k in the dirt!!
Sam
It's my duck! I have a pet duck!
A 100 Euro day. BV cut me off once. Note the -54. That means this trot went down 2.7 Euro TOTAL.
good job Sam. So are you sitting down with 200$ each time?
Thanks, Matt.
Yes, when I open the bot I put in 200 Euro. I hope to win 100 before I lose the 200.
Don't know if you read this, but my goal with play money was to take 1,000 to 2,000 which I did easily. I lost only one 200 Euro bank during that time. I did get cut off a lot and had to pay the 10% vig just to get even, but I made the 1,000.
I said at the beginning if I could win that 1,000, my wife and I would fund the account and try for real. We did.
I am now sitting closer to 700 Euro than 600.
So---------the big question------------is it luck or is FLATman onto something?
I have watched this bot play for hours on end. There is a rhyme and reason to the L v F that I have never seen in any other EC. And it is an EC. I am working to devise a plan to profit from this anomaly. If I'm successful it will be a Johnlegend moment for me!!
More on that later...................maybe!
Sam
Well, I swore to tell the truth...........
Dangit, I lost one!! Set it at 200 just like I said above and it cleaned my clock while I slept. Bankroll still OK, but this is very heart wrenching!! ("But, hey!", Groucho said. "That's better than heart screw-drivering.")
So, as I always say, we'll see.......
Sam
Sam, are you saying that your now closer to 400 then?
Sorry to hear of the draw-down.
:(
Chris
Actually, I'm near 500.
In the real world, I know I'm not going to win all the time. I will be happy to exit each month with a few hundred Euro profit. I might not even do that! Time will tell.
I will tell you guys something about myself: I am a person who has virtually nothing to talk about to anyone in the vis-a-vis world. I know nothing of sports and my politics are to the right of Ted Nugent. So this little virtual world we live in is just great for me.
So winning would be nice, but it's having people of a common interest to talk to daily that floats my boat. Plus, all this mental work keeps away dementia!!
Where'd I put my coffee?
Sam
Hello Sam I've been following your progress with interest.
Near the beginning of this thread you mention interacting with the bot to mitigate losses. Reading between the lines I imagine you are somehow working with the winning and losing cycles. Is this correct?
I take it the bot itself applies the bet as originally formulated. Seems funny now how we struggled to "get" it.
Trebor
trebor
Yes, I did do that and it "seems" to work. You must understand I have not worked with this long enough to make any definate staements. I going up the learning ladder. (Fell off twice!)
I have it set now for a win of 72 and a loss of -90. That was the settings I used testing it.
I find that when it gets to betting 3X the normal bet, it sometimes will hit four in a row and get the profit goal. Sometimes you only need a 1X win and you get a 3X win which gives you 2X more than you needed. This adds up over time.
The other side of the coin is that it happens that way on the -90. Sometimes it's -108. So we hope it evens out over time.
Anyway, I have money in four casinos, am playing four different systems and--all in all--I'm nicely up for this Wednesday. Hope I'll be up "Come Monday"! (Used to sing that all the time!)
Sam
Today was a good day. I have gained most of the 200 I lost back into the bankroll. I will not report again until I come close to 700 Euro. Or go just over it.
Verrrrrrrrrrrry close!
Is there a clicker for L v F?
Starky reported an error in the Manual LvF sheet,
nothing bad in case you wonder ;)
Alltough i have changed that error in the sheet that is used in the bot,
appearantly i have forgotten to change the manual/rng sheet
I attached the corrected version.
This one has the Manual & Rng version in 1, just select it with the tabs at the bottom
Stef