Here is something to sink your teeth in, my 143 game method i put here under the testing area so you can play and post results here,my library on this one is full,i wont post any results here,just buy your self a beer and one for me when you win ,short term bet why short term because it a 66.6% bet.
You got a link to this 143 method please warrior?
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 11, 05:23 PM 2013
You got a link to this 143 method please warrior?
Im going to post it here.but i have to go teach jiujitsu class now .
Ain't that just like him?? Gets me droolin' down my shirt and then leaves!!
Well, he is a warrior after all
And that's my 1k up...shiaaat
congrats BW on the 'grand' total. :thumbsup:
You crack me up,Sam! ;D
Quote from: warrior on Mar 11, 05:26 PM 2013
I'm going to post it here.but i have to go teach jiujitsu class now .
It's a long Jiujitsu class isn't it? ???
He must be the Ultimate Warrior after such an epic class
He probably got beat up on the way home.
Quote from: Skakus on Mar 12, 04:53 PM 2013
He probably got beat up on the way home.
i think this idea may be about betting against chops? (sorry)
Lamb or Pork?
Quote from: DuffMiver on Mar 12, 04:11 PM 2013
It's a long Jiujitsu class isn't it? ???
:lol:
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 12, 04:17 PM 2013
He must be the Ultimate Warrior after such an epic class
:lol:
Quote from: Skakus on Mar 12, 04:53 PM 2013
He probably got beat up on the way home.
No i become a ninja on the way home ,i use smoke bombs.
Quote from: Turner on Mar 12, 05:06 PM 2013
i think this idea may be about betting against chops? (sorry)
THATS KARATE
I posted it this morning ,and then press the wrong frinkin button deleted all ,anyways i will posted it after dinner my warrior stomach is hungry ,
Ok this is not the holy shmolly, but the holy canoli, i love those Italian pasteries,and this bet always buy me a few.
Stats on this bet,143 spin that's about 21 games .
3 consecutive LLL IN ROW 5% OF THE TIME ,power of 3 =1.25 around there .not much of a maths guy but very close.
3 consecutive LLLL in ROW 1% OF THE TIME ,power of 3 0.001
degree of certainty 95 % after LLL WIN
99% after LLLLWIN.
Ok that's it for that.
BET SELECTION
THIS IS A 24 NUMBER BET USING LINES.
Way to win bet after the 2nd LL most of the time you will win on the first try, if not wait for the next LL ,and so on .
2- wait for two single W and bet after an L .
3-SAFER WAY TO BET wait for 3 single W and bet after L
4-SAFER WAY TO BETwait for LLL 95% WIN
5- SAFER WAY TO BET wait for LLLL 99%WIN
6- BET every spin flat bet , for 143 spin if your minus, up it 1 unit for another 143 or until profit
7- dis advantge of this the marty 1 3 9 27
8-Find your way to play with your money :LoL:
I am currently testing and doing well with this idea.
When LL bet D1 and D2. When HH bet D2 and D3.....1,3,9,27.
But most will understand that!...lol
OK NOW I'm PISSED 2ND TIME WRITING THIS BLOODY METHOD AND IT DID NOT POST >:(
AND IM SLOW TYPER FUDGE
Quote from: Turner on Mar 12, 07:07 PM 2013
I am currently testing and doing well with this idea.
When LL bet D1 and D2. When HH bet D2 and D3.....1,3,9,27.
But most will understand that!...LoL
Good i hope you make millions :lol:
Quote from: warrior on Mar 12, 07:22 PM 2013
OK NOW I'm PISSED 2ND TIME WRITING THIS BLOODY METHOD AND IT DID NOT POST >:(
Warrior.....3 little words....and they are all WORD
WORD WORD WORD.
Write a biggie in WORD first....or ...highlight your post....ctrl. c just before posting
ctrl. v if it dont post.
Quote from: Turner on Mar 12, 07:27 PM 2013
Warrior.....3 little words....and they are all WORD
WORD WORD WORD.
Write a biggie in WORD first....or ...highlight your post....ctrl. c just before posting
ctrl. v if it don't post.
:thumbsup:
Ok try this again we bet on 4 lines = 24numbers . track 7 results horizontal
ex 1234564 bet on 1234 the first 4 to qualify, for the next 7 spins.
2345323 WWWLWWW results from the line above 1234 next bet 2345.
3131323 WLWLWWW results from 2345 here theres no bet only 3 line skip track 7 more .
4112223 here we bet 4123 as you can see not always in the first 4.
3662662 WLLWLLW results from 4123 ,next bet is a no bet only 3 lines .
0023341 our bet is 2341
1662636 WLLWLWL anyways ways i think you have the idea use the LW registry from my previous post , you can bet up to 143 spin but i never go that far i usally have big bet after the double LL plus 3 and I'm out.or really big bet after LLL OR LLLL or just canoli money when i what to relax at the table and have fun .
ps don't forget my beer :LoL: hope this works ,don't shoot me if it does not :LoL:
I should of put this in the full system but i thought players should test here,for them selves lots of WS and not so many LS.
My session from the other night regent casino.bettig only after 2LL PROG. 1 3 9 27
5212533
3143463 wwlwllw +1
4131364 ::w
2152531 lwlllww -2
1316332 :l:
4064526 llwllww +2 +3
4545334no bet
5423552
6245514 l:lww
3445364 ::l
6454661 lwwllll Here are 4 L 3 consecutive in row is 1 % in 143 spin 99% hit rate after 4 LLLL. -2
0162223 ::l +4
6633325 lwl:l
1313621 wl:wl
Did not finish my 143 spin 21 game plus 4 you get the idea.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 12, 10:30 PM 2013
My session from the other night regent casino.bettig only after 2LL PROG. 1 3 9 27
5212533
3143463 wwlwllw +1
4131364 ::w
2152531 lwlllww -2
1316332 :l:
4064526 llwllww +2 +3
4545334no bet - why no bet here?
5423552
6245514 l:lww
3445364 ::l
6454661 lwwllll Here are 4 L 3 consecutive in row is 1 % in 143 spin 99% hit rate after 4 LLLL. -2
0162223 ::l +4
6633325 lwl:l
1313621 wl:wl
Did not finish my 143 spin 21 game plus 4 you get the idea.
very nice warrior
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Quote from: warrior on Mar 12, 10:30 PM 2013
My session from the other night regent casino.bettig only after 2LL PROG. 1 3 9 27
5212533
3143463 wwlwllw +1 we were betting 5213
4131364 ::w
2152531 lwlllww -2
1316332 :l:
4064526 llwllww +2 +3
4545334no bet does zero kill a bet? because this is 4652 and wlwwllw
5423552 no bet because of 453
6245514 l:lww <<<< shouldnt this be l:wlw
3445364 ::l betting 6245 so lwwllww
6454661 lwwllll Here are 4 L 3 consecutive in row is 1 % in 143 spin 99% hit rate after 4 LLLL. -2
0162223 ::l +4
6633325 lwl:l
1313621 wl:wl
Did not finish my 143 spin 21 game plus 4 you get the idea.
Warrior.....I get it, but I think the above session is out of sync........I stopped red comments half way through.
not being picky, but I have to see it work so I know I have got it.
Just had a play with this. Its a lovely idea. However, it reminds me of something john legend would come up with and as with all his ideas, there is no getting away from the fact that when push comes to shove, when we have lwllwll or wwlwll or wlllwlw...every event is 1:2 regardless of any other claim. If I am on 27-27-27-27 after a series of losses....my next bet is 1:2.
BR needed 160u
Quote from: soggett on Mar 13, 03:14 AM 2013
very nice warrior
Sorry i should have have explaine ,because this is at a live casino Bm i took a break after the +3, BM can be very slow .
Quote from: Turner on Mar 13, 04:10 AM 2013
Warrior.....I get it, but I think the above session is out of sync........I stopped red comments half way through.
not being picky, but I have to see it work so I know I have got it.
Zero does not kill a bet ,unless 2001251 ony 3 lines ,yes the mistakes on theLW,only on here not on my results pressed wrong key on here sorry about that.
Quote from: Turner on Mar 13, 05:49 AM 2013
Just had a play with this. Its a lovely idea. However, it reminds me of something john legend would come up with and as with all his ideas, there is no getting away from the fact that when push comes to shove, when we have lwllwll or wwlwll or wlllwlw...every event is 1:2 regardless of any other claim. If I am on 27-27-27-27 after a series of losses....my next bet is 1:2.
BR needed 160u
JOHN LEGEND give me a break man, these are not wait 100 spin and then bet bet for 2 units ,read the thread over i showed ways to bet this you can bet every spin if you want, its up to the player to play how he pleases, I'm aware its a 1:2 bet, but if played with those stats in mind it is profitable .that's A BIG IF YOU GET TO 27-27 -27-27.
There are only so many ways to play 24 numbers,depend on the persons personality ,some are more patient then others,therefore some like to wait for LLL OR LLLL to make a bet,some like to play every spin ,its all gambler fallacy ,THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING HERE oh yes we love roulette .
Quote from: warrior on Mar 13, 06:49 AM 2013
JOHN LEGEND give me a break man, these are not wait 100 spin and then bet bet for 2 units ,read the thread over i showed ways to bet this you can bet every spin if you want, its up to the player to play how he pleases, I'm aware its a 1:2 bet, but if played with those stats in mind it is profitable .that's A BIG IF YOU GET TO 27-27 -27-27.
Lol....calm down mate. No offense intended. I just meant that no maths or trigger can influence the basic odds at that moment and all JLs stuff did just that.
I will say this once more, the DISADVANTGE to this is the marty,a MONEY M. progression on 2 dozens is very difficult ,my big bets are made on casino money not mine, remember this.
CLAIMS lets talk about this, every one on here makes a claim, todays truth is not tomorros truth,that's life. anyways play and have some fun with this it wins.OOPS i just made a claim lol.
Quote from: Turner on Mar 13, 07:09 AM 2013
LoL....calm down mate. No offense intended. I just meant that no maths or trigger can influence the basic odds at that moment and all JLs stuff did just that.
Turner you telling me something i already know.Try to beat the game not the odds.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 13, 07:19 AM 2013
Turner you telling me something i already know.Try to beat the game not the odds.
No problem...ill shut up :thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on Mar 13, 06:29 AM 2013
Sorry i should have have explaine ,because this is at a live casino Bm i took a break after the +3, BM can be very slow .
oh, ok :thumbsup:
did you maybe try playing every spin with progression +2/-1?
If I got it right (I hope i did), playing this way your session ends +80 units with the biggest bet being 9 units per line
what do you think?
Quote from: soggett on Mar 13, 07:30 AM 2013
oh, ok :thumbsup:
did you maybe try playing every spin with progression +2/-1?
If I got it right (I hope i did), playing this way your session ends +80 units with the biggest bet being 9 units per line
what do you think?
I put it under the testing for this reason ,sometimes people see other ways to make it better.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 13, 07:42 AM 2013
I put it under the testing for this reason ,sometimes people see other ways to make it better.
ok :thumbsup:
will do some testing
Quote from: soggett on Mar 13, 07:48 AM 2013
ok :thumbsup:
will do some testing
Have fun.
24 number bet is for nervy players ,i get the same emotion if I'm playing 4 dollars or 400 dollars its wierd,its like when your a virgin and having sex for the first time ,roulette queen makes you feel that way,like captin Kurk would say WIERD OR WHAT.
warrior
To me, this seems to NOT be sector/dealer based. I will save my non-zero numbers from BV and test this.
I might humbly suggest something which will speed up the process. When you get this:
1233121............you did not get four, so no bet. There is no need--in my opinion--to wait a full seven. Toss the first number 1 and you'll get
233121.......now what if you get a 5?
2331215......bet is 1235.
I studied this in depth and wrote an essay called "New Eyes on the Marquee". Basically is said that if a person sat down and begin recording at spin 2 above, his next seven numbers would be just as valid as any. Therefore, just because you are sitting there, yours are no less valid. He has new eyes; you have old eyes, but you both see the same thing.
This begs for a bot!!
Sam
quick test
112 spins
with +2/-1 I get +88 units
highest bet 7 units per line
here is the w/l
w w w l w w w
w l l w w l l
w w w w l w w
w w w w l w w
w w l w l l w
l w l w w w w
l l w w w l w
w w l w w l w
l w w w w l l
w w l w w l l
l w w w l w w
soggett
Do you feel this performs better than betting two dozens or columns? If so, why?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 13, 08:20 AM 2013
soggett
Do you feel this performs better than betting two dozens or columns? If so, why?
Sam
still early to tell Sam, but could be
In theory any 24 numbers is the same so it shouldn't matter
but repeats do happen so...maybe
lots of testing needed to see though
Maybe even try this on the streets? Or make wheel based lines? plenty ideas come to mind ;D
Quote from: soggett on Mar 13, 08:26 AM 2013
still early to tell Sam, but could be
In theory any 24 numbers is the same so it shouldn't matter
but repeats do happen so...maybe
lots of testing needed to see though
Maybe even try this on the streets? Or make wheel based lines? plenty ideas come to mind ;D
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This can be used on the inside numbers track for 41 spins then bet 24 numbers some time 26 ,use the LW and bet on the last 41 numbers minus the repeats,26 is to many for me ,but it can be done.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 13, 07:14 AM 2013
I will say this once more, the DISADVANTGE to this is the marty,a MONEY M. progression on 2 dozens is very difficult
Could you use Lanky's divisor ?
O0
This is how i see it,within 6 spins 4 lines will show not always but most times,within the next 6 spins 4 lines will show, mathematically only the other 2/3rds of the lines will appear,and with in 16 spins the last line will appear ,anyways thats the theory.
Quote from: ddarko on Mar 13, 09:09 AM 2013
Could you use Lanky's divisor ?
O0
This is why i posted it here .
Quote from: warrior on Mar 13, 09:18 AM 2013
This is why i posted it here .
well, hopefully this link will help anybody new to it, thxs lanky :thumbsup:
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=11.0 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=11.0)
O0
Quote from: soggett on Mar 13, 08:12 AM 2013
quick test
112 spins
with +2/-1 I get +88 units
highest bet 7 units per line
here is the w/l
w w w l w w w
w l l w w l l
w w w w l w w
w w w w l w w
w w l w l l w
l w l w w w w
l l w w w l w
w w l w w l w
l w w w w l l
w w l w w l l
l w w w l w w
Within those parameter of +2 -1 if stays consistent within the results your getting its a winning bet :thumbsup:
ddarko
In my opinion, one could use Lanky's divisor on any EC, 2:1, or 1:2 bet.
Wonder what every happened to him? I haven't been called "cobber" in years!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 13, 10:22 AM 2013
ddarko
In my opinion, one could use Lanky's divisor on any EC, 2:1, or 1:2 bet.
Wonder what every happened to him? I haven't been called "cobber" in years!!
Sam
Hopefully he's "throwing another shrimp on the barbie" & chugging on a stubby !!!!!!
O0
Quote from: warrior on Mar 13, 09:36 AM 2013
Within those parameter of +2 -1 if stays consistent within the results your getting its a winning bet :thumbsup:
yep :thumbsup:
CHALLENGE:
Test it with the numbers from Spielbank, 3/14/2013/table 7.
Zeros and all............
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 13, 12:07 PM 2013
CHALLENGE:
Test it with the numbers from Spielbank, 3/14/2013/table 7.
Zeros and all............
Samster
LoL, i went to get the numbers and then realised that you ment tommorows numbers :-[ :-[
ah well ;D
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 13, 12:07 PM 2013
CHALLENGE:
Test it with the numbers from Spielbank, 3/14/2013/table 7.
Zeros and all............
Samster
Nice idea Sam. its a standard all can test.
One thing, T7 is sometimes unused, especially during the week. T2/T3 is always used.
So, Gents, was I offensive?
For some reason there are guys--one especially--who "trot shop", as I like to call it, until they get a trot of numbers that makes the system/method look good. For the life of me, I don't know why.
But if you announce your trot two days in advance and then win, you have a lot more credibility.
If I get time tomorrow, I will download the numbers and run a few of them. If it's half way good, I'll pay to bot it! (Naw! 7/8ths of the way good; not half!)
Sam
ok, yesterday from spielbank arhive, table 2 at wiesbaden
w w w w w l l
l w w w w w w
w l w w w l w
w w l l w w l
w w w w w w l
w l w l w l w
w w w w l w l
l w l l l w w
l l w w l l l
w l w w w l w
l w w w w l w
w w w w l l w
w w w l l w w
w w l l w w l
l l w l l l w
w w w w w w w
w l l l w w w
w w w w l w w
l l l l l w w
w w w w l w w
w l l l l w l
w w l l l w l
w w w l w l w
w l l l w l w
playing +2/-1 got preety high, highest bet 17, ended +96 (I stopped on the red win where the progression ended, after that there are not enough numbers to end the progression)
so maybe +2/-1 not so good after all?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 14, 12:16 AM 2013
So, Gents, was I offensive?
For some reason there are guys--one especially--who "trot shop", as I like to call it, until they get a trot of numbers that makes the system/method look good. For the life of me, I don't know why.
But if you announce your trot two days in advance and then win, you have a lot more credibility.
If I get time tomorrow, I will download the numbers and run a few of them. If it's half way good, I'll pay to bot it! (Naw! 7/8ths of the way good; not half!)
Sam
Not at all Sam, I think this is a very good idea
Quote from: soggett on Mar 14, 08:42 AM 2013
ok, yesterday from spielbank arhive, table 2 at wiesbaden
w w w w w l l 5/2
l w w w w w w 6/1
w l w w w l w 5/2
w w l l w w l 4/3
w w w w w w l 5/1
w l w l w l w 4/2
w w w w l w l 4/2
l w l l l w w 3/4
l l w w l l l 2/5
w l w w w l w 5/2
l w w w w l w 5/2
w w w w l l w 5/2
w w w l l w w 5/2
w w l l w w l 4/3
l l w l l l w 2/5
w w w w w w w 7/0
w l l l w w w 4/3
w w w w l w w 6/1
l l l l l w w 2/5
w w w w l w w 6/1
w l l l l w l 2/5
w w l l l w l 3/4
w w w l w l w 5/2
w l l l w l w 3/4
TOTALS 102/58
playing +2/-1 got preety high, highest bet 17, ended +96 (I stopped on the red win where the progression ended, after that there are not enough numbers to end the progression)
so maybe +2/-1 not so good after all?
You are very close to a break-even. A D'Alembert should make this win going away.
Sam
In jiujitsu for many years 24 to exact ,and i never give anything to the student unless they show some interest and dedication,and show up for classes, sogget the second part of the bet that makes this a real winner will be in you pm later on today, and will share with SAM. thanks for your interest warrior.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 14, 12:16 AM 2013
So, Gents, was I offensive?
For some reason there are guys--one especially--who "trot shop", as I like to call it, until they get a trot of numbers that makes the system/method look good. For the life of me, I don't know why.
But if you announce your trot two days in advance and then win, you have a lot more credibility.
If I get time tomorrow, I will download the numbers and run a few of them. If it's half way good, I'll pay to bot it! (Naw! 7/8ths of the way good; not half!)
Sam
A horse trots , and you can lead them to water ,but you cant make them drink.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 14, 09:37 AM 2013
In jiujitsu for many years 24 to exact ,and i never give anything to the student unless they show some interest and dedication,and show up for classes, sogget the second part of the bet that makes this a real winner will be in you pm later on today, and will share with SAM. thanks for your interest warrior.
Thanks man, looking forward to it :thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on Mar 14, 09:37 AM 2013
In jiujitsu for many years 24 to exact ,and i never give anything to the student unless they show some interest and dedication,and show up for classes, sogget the second part of the bet that makes this a real winner will be in you pm later on today, and will share with SAM. thanks for your interest warrior.
why not share it here? I like line bets, now 2-5 days i dont have time for playing/testing so i can miss this one.. Share it with us if you can. Thank you.
Hey, Guys..........
Yes, a horse trots. Where I got the word "trot" for a session, I don't know. But I like it!
We humans tend to fool ourselves. "We tell ourselves that what we found was what we meant to find."....Clint Black Confirmation bias almost rules us entirely. If we believe all Elbonians are thieves then we will overlook honest Elbonians no matter how many there are!
So when I want to test Sam's idea, I do it in such a way that confirmation bias will not come into play. One way of doing this is to use real money. I cannot look at my checkbook and fool myself into believing lost money is still there.
Another way is to plan on trots from Spielbank two days in advance.
warrior, I will run some tests later today or tomorrow.
Thank you!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 14, 11:04 AM 2013
Hey, Guys..........
Yes, a horse trots. Where I got the word "trot" for a session, I don't know. But I like it!
We humans tend to fool ourselves. "We tell ourselves that what we found was what we meant to find."....Clint Black Confirmation bias almost rules us entirely. If we believe all Elbonians are thieves then we will overlook honest Elbonians no matter how many there are!
So when I want to test Sam's idea, I do it in such a way that confirmation bias will not come into play. One way of doing this is to use real money. I cannot look at my checkbook and fool myself into believing lost money is still there.
Another way is to plan on trots from Spielbank two days in advance.
warrior, I will run some tests later today or tomorrow.
Thank you!
Sam
Sam lived in Italy many years ,never trust an ALBANIAN, don't test until i give the second part of the bet to sogget.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 14, 12:16 AM 2013
So, Gents, was I offensive?
For some reason there are guys--one especially--who "trot shop", as I like to call it, until they get a trot of numbers that makes the system/method look good. For the life of me, I don't know why.
But if you announce your trot two days in advance and then win, you have a lot more credibility.
If I get time tomorrow, I will download the numbers and run a few of them. If it's half way good, I'll pay to bot it! (Naw! 7/8ths of the way good; not half!)
Sam
Sam...what happened? i cant see where someone said what you said is offensive?
Turner
I just thought it myself. Sometimes I get on my soap box and toss around unwarranted criticism. True, I am a man with scant few flaws, but that is one of them! ;D
But in all honesty, who gets your attention? The fellow who says, "I'll use every trot from Spielbank #3" the way Dane did, or the fellow who just posts some numbers from two years ago? Why go back two years? What's wrong with tomorrow?
That is why I have always said that if anyone thinks I'm faking my Dublin videos, pick a spin number and that's where I'll start. 1,343,256 Then there is no question if I win or lose.
Turner, I just love accurate and scientific testing! 'Cept for God. I'll just take Him on faith.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 14, 12:26 PM 2013
Turner
I just thought it myself. Sometimes I get on my soap box and toss around unwarranted criticism. True, I am a man with scant few flaws, but that is one of them! ;D
But in all honesty, who gets your attention? The fellow who says, "I'll use every trot from Spielbank #3" the way Dane did, or the fellow who just posts some numbers from two years ago? Why go back two years? What's wrong with tomorrow?
That is why I have always said that if anyone thinks I'm faking my Dublin videos, pick a spin number and that's where I'll start. 1,343,256 Then there is no question if I win or lose.
Turner, I just love accurate and scientific testing! 'Cept for God. I'll just take Him on faith.
Sam
When i first came here...i cared if people replied when i posted. I cared if someone made a criticism. I only post in notepad now because i have a bad memory and need to jot down. If people like my idea...great...if I'm the only one posting..i care not.. I promise and claim nothing.
As for you...i can't imagine anyone considering you faked anything. Look who warrier suggested to be the trusted member in his pyramid post....without blinking.
Turner
I have shared the 2nd part with soggett ,now he can see for him self if this is worth posting for every one.
warrior
It's Elbonians not Albanians!!
There is comic strip called "Dilbert" and from time to time he has to go to Elbonia.
Geez, I can believe you've never head of the Elbonian/Kneebonian war!!
;D
Sam
ok, here is the weisbaden spins done the "new way"
w w w w w l l
l w w w w l l
w l w w w l l
w w w l w w w
l w w w w l w
w w w w w w l
w l w l w w l
w w w l w w w
l w w l w w w
l w l l w l w
l w l l l w w
w l w w l w w
w l w w w l l
l w w w w l l
w w w w l l w
w w w w l w w
w w l l w w w
l w w l w l l
l l w l w w l
w w w w w w w
l w l w l w w
w l l l w w w
w l w w l w w
l l l l w w l
w w w l w l l
w w w w l w w
w l l l l w w
w w l l l w w
w w w l w l l
w l l w l w l
playing after 2L's with 1,3,9 you get +17 units if I am not mistaken
seems to be shorter L's?
Quote from: soggett on Mar 15, 02:12 AM 2013
ok, here is the weisbaden spins done the "new way"
w w w w w l l
l w w w w l l
w l w w w l l
w w w l w w w
l w w w w l w
w w w w w w l
w l w l w w l
w w w l w w w
l w w l w w w
l w l l w l w
l w l l l w w
w l w w l w w
w l w w w l l
l w w w w l l
w w w w l l w
w w w w l w w
w w l l w w w
l w w l w l l
l l w l w w l
w w w w w w w
l w l w l w w
w l l l w w w
w l w w l w w
l l l l w w l
w w w l w l l
w w w w l w w
w l l l l w w
w w l l l w w
w w w l w l l
w l l w l w l
playing after 2L's with 1,3,9 you get +17 units if I am not mistaken
seems to be shorter L's?
If you look at your first 21 games ,143 spins your Ls are 3 longest, looks exact like my results . :thumbsup: Yesterday i had 15 Ws in a row,WHEN THIS STARTS TO REPEAT ITS SWEET.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 14, 10:56 PM 2013
warrior
It's Elbonians not Albanians!!
There is comic strip called "Dilbert" and from time to time he has to go to Elbonia.
Geez, I can believe you've never head of the Elbonian/Kneebonian war!!
;D
Sam
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Never heard of it :)
This bet selection has a 5% to the power of 3, 0.000125 1 in 143 for LLLX3 in a row to appear.and a 1% to the power of 3 ,0.001 1 in 143 for LLLLX3 to appear,FOR NOW .
When looking at a even money bet Ls can go for 16 to 20 in a row. :sad2:
Movement on the table can flow or crash ,like Bruce Lee once said be like water .
To all the newbies ,this all sounds great but don't ever kid your self you are gambling and this is the queen were talking about ,so take all this with a grain of salt.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 15, 11:40 AM 2013
When looking at a even money bet Ls can go for 16 to 20 in a row. :sad2:
Play 2 or 3 EC's at the same time ?
O0
lol easy +20
l 4- to 3
w 2+ to 2
w 6+ to 1
w 8+
w 10+
w 12+
l 8+ to 3
w 14+ to 2
l 6+ to 4
w 14+ to 3
w 20+
just played for real money on dublinbet
table 2 was good results for +2-1, here is wl
w l l w w w l
w w w l w w w
w l w w w l l
w w w l w w w
l w l w w l l
w l l w l w
w w w w w w l
fun game ended:) just had this on dublinbet:
2 6 6 1 5 4 2
3 3 4 4 4 4 1
l l l l l l w
Quote from: biagle on Mar 15, 07:27 PM 2013
fun game ended:) just had this on dublinbet:
2 6 6 1 5 4 2
3 3 4 4 4 4 1
l l l l l l w
Oh my friend that is exactly how the first part of this bet selection would behave ,but why would you play something when you dont even have the second part of this bet :o
Quote from: biagle on Mar 15, 07:27 PM 2013
fun game ended:) just had this on dublinbet:
2 6 6 1 5 4 2
3 3 4 4 4 4 1
l l l l l l w
and you would still be in profit on the W
Quote from: warrior on Mar 15, 07:37 PM 2013
Oh my friend that is exactly how the first part of this bet selection would behave ,but why would you play something when you don't even have the second part of this bet :o
so why not share it:)
Quote from: biagle on Mar 15, 07:44 PM 2013
so why not share it:)
Try to do some home work on this and see how you can better it.
bet after 5l?
Quote from: biagle on Mar 15, 07:52 PM 2013
bet after 5l?
Your trying to squeez it out of me ha ,YOU SHOULD RE READ THE THREAD.
results yesterday, table 2
with tweak
w l l w l w w
l w w l l l l
w l l l w w l
w w w w l w w
l w w w w w w
w w w w w w w
w l w w w w l
l w w w w w w
l w w l w l l
w l l w w w w
w w w w l l w
w w l w w l w
w l l l w l w
l l l w l l w
w w w l w l w
w l w w w l w
w w w w w w l
l w w w w l w
w w l l w w w
w w w l w w w
l w l w w l l
w w w w w l l
l w w w l w l
w l w w w w w
w l w w w w w
l l w l w w w
w w w l w l w
w l w w w w w
w w w w w w l
w
flatbetting alone ends +24 units
without tweak flatbetting ends +4
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I get +112 units here, highest bet is 4 units per spot :)
I believe in posting also bad session ,i will say that in 10000 spins i only came across 6Ls once ,and like i said in a previous post past 6 there is a 999 out of 1000 that this happens.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 18, 09:16 AM 2013
I believe in posting also bad session ,i will say that in 10000 spins i only came across 6Ls once ,and like i said in a previous post past 6 there is a 999 out of 1000 that this happens.
I agree but what can I do when it's not a bad session? ;D
the 4L's above are because of the 3 zeros
and the max W's in a row is 14
when I have a bad session I'll post it too, don't worry
so, warrior maybe you can share now something more
Quote from: soggett on Mar 18, 08:24 AM 2013
results yesterday, table 2
with tweak
w l l w l w w
l w w l l l l
w l l l w w l
w w w w l w w
l w w w w w w
w w w w w w w
w l w w w w l
l w w w w w w
l w w l w l l
w l l w w w w
w w w w l l w
w w l w w l w
w l l l w l w
l l l w l l w
w w w l w l w
w l w w w l w
w w w w w w l
l w w w w l w
w w l l w w w
w w w l w w w
l w l w w l l
w w w w w l l
l w w w l w l
w l w w w w w
w l w w w w w
l l w l w w w
w w w l w l w
w l w w w w w
w w w w w w l
w
flatbetting alone ends +24 units
without tweak flatbetting ends +4
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I get +112 units here, highest bet is 4 units per spot :)
GOOD ?as far as the zeros they are always included it averages out to 2- 3 on every 100 spins some time more but rare,as you can see at the begining of your session the Ws are few, it depends on how your betting if every spin the method tells me that when there are a few Ws less the 3 or 4 in a row i know that a streak is coming of 4 or more , The way i play im waiting for the 2 LLS then i bet so i would win on my second attempt ,or in your case you could wait for it to stop,or reverse the bet and look for 2 single Ws then bet after the next L.hope that helps.
Quote from: biagle on Mar 18, 10:18 AM 2013
so, warrior maybe you can share now something more
ya ya ya in time be patient.
In the old shaolin days, when one would want to be a warrior and learn kung fu he would wait outside the temple ,some time for weeks ,the monks would see this and maybe consider on taking him as a student ,and the student probably wished he never did ,cause he would suffer and i mean suffer .he then probably wished he would turn into a grasshopper and jump his way out. :LoL: moral of the story this is not a magical bet its just someting i practice with to make little bit of money and i mean a very small amount .and when i win that small amount i turn into a GRASSHOPPER ,and well you no the rest of the story.
Might be a 'magical' bet there grasshopper...............but there sure are a lot of Wins in that list!
Can wait for you to spill the beans.......... starting now..............
[reveal] still waiting[reveal] still waiting [reveal] still waiting[reveal] waiting.......[/reveal][/reveal][/reveal][/reveal]
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 18, 04:22 PM 2013
Might be a 'magical' bet there grasshopper...............but there sure are a lot of Wins in that list!
Can wait for you to spill the beans.......... starting now..............
[reveal] still waiting[reveal] still waiting [reveal] still waiting[reveal] waiting.......[/reveal][/reveal][/reveal][/reveal]
Im working on one more thing, the most important one the MM then i will share it .
MM is the most important thing.... I agree.
If U need any help........just yell.
I'm at Ur disposal. :D
Thanks for the great method warrior : )
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Quote from: amk on Mar 18, 05:08 PM 2013
Thanks for the great method warrior : )
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GOOD ONE :thumbsup:
ok, i'm doing a bigger test
here is the first 700 spins
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W W W W W W W
W L L L W L L
W W W W L L W
W W W W W W W
W W W W W W W
W L W L W L W
L W W W W W W
L L W W L W W
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[/reveal]
longest L streak is 4 (yes only 4 L in a row)
longest W streak is 26 (so far ;) )
flatbetting for now is +170 units
so what's everyone thinking?
Quote from: soggett on Mar 20, 08:59 AM 2013
ok, i'm doing a bigger test
here is the first 700 spins
[reveal]
W W W W W W W
W L L L W L L
W W W W L L W
W W W W W W W
W W W W W W W
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[/reveal]
longest L streak is 4 (yes only 4 L in a row)
longest W streak is 26 (so far ;) )
flatbetting for now is +170 units
so what's everyone thinking?
everyone (I lol) is thinking whats the point write system here if only two people know how to play? i can do the same and tell what my system has only one max L and 9999999999 wins in row. And what you think about my system?:) doesn't metter, good luck with your game.
Quote from: biagle on Mar 20, 10:06 AM 2013
everyone (I LoL) is thinking what's the point write system here if only two people know how to play? i can do the same and tell what my system has only one max L and 9999999999 wins in row. And what you think about my system? :) doesn't metter, good luck with your game.
well it's not up to me to share it
I just want to know what you think, the w/l ratio is pretty good
maybe someone can think of a good progression for this, maybe pitch some ideas, thats why I asked
Quote from: soggett on Mar 20, 08:59 AM 2013
ok, i'm doing a bigger test
here is the first 700 spins
[reveal]
W W W W W W W
W L L L W L L
W W W W L L W
W W W W W W W
W W W W W W W
W L W L W L W
L W W W W W W
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[/reveal]
longest L streak is 4 (yes only 4 L in a row)
longest W streak is 26 (so far ;) )
flatbetting for now is +170 units
so what's everyone thinking?
My results are very close to this,there is no point to diclose anything,until we a method that can produce wins for everyone ,soggett has put up some results that everyone can work on ,the MM IS SO CRUCIAL,like i said with this method the only disadvantage is the 1-3-9 marty,so if you guys want to help think of strategies for this.MAN ITS HARD TO TYPE WITH ONE EYE.like i said to soggett i never train with begginers in jiujitsu they are so bloody clumsy ,got my cornia scratched can't see a thing through my left eye ,so if I'm missing some letters your will know why :LoL:
3 xLLLL in a row has not hit thats the 1% i talked about ,but soggett has informed me that he got 7 Ls in a row, sad but not surprised ,but came out with +0 using the divisor.
2002 spins, enough for today
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2 times 5L's in a row, once 7L's everything else is 4 or less
longest win streak remains 26 in a row
any suggestions on a progression for this guys?
I have attached the w/l in excell for easier testing
the results to the right with the yellow L's - those are with the zero marked in case anyone thinks of covering it
so the yellow L is when a zero hit
I don't usually like to bet as many as 24 numbers but will have a study of this as it looks interesting.
Just a little idea. Having had a quick look over the results how do you think waiting for a virtual win after 2 losses would work? Like I said, I've just had a quick look so far but the losses seem to be fairly concentrated so this may help. Just my 2 pennies worth :-)
Cheers
Roughy
@Warrior
Am I right in thinking, that as yet, you have not disclosed what you bet method is here for this play?
I'd love to help with Ur progression/MM situation.............need info first to do so.
I remain at Ur service !
Ok scratchy?
C
Going through soggett 2000 spins were good for me ,because even with one eye i could still see the forest for the trees AMAZING ,great exercice for me soggett ,now im waiting for CHRIBIS to give me some action ,no hurry take your time ,i had a dream of a black wolf ,most dreams will teach us alot about our self,,it was very dark, it was in the middle of the field coming to words me i picked up some rocks and through it at the wolf,it runs way but keeps coming back at me ,but realized,that there was no aggression to him he was play full my fear was all about me and he would mirror that fear by running away than coming back ,in a playfull manner ,the teaching of this is to face our fears what ever they maybe, looking at something as is ,does not give you the real picture within this bet bet there is always one bet that everyone can benifit from.FEAR= false expectaions appearing real,expectaions of something about to happen in roulette, is where all bets fail except this one,the opposite is there to be taken advantage of ,Most people give up before they achieve anything in life, we all know that when you do things for years experience is KING ,I BELIEVE you can win on a regular basis in this little wheel, ps keep the results coming ,love the exercises.
My old teacher in the martial arts once said, i think i was a blue belt beginner, to hurt people is easy ,but to heal them that takes more time ,i would never post anything on here if i think it would hurt people, am i going to give you all the answers hell no,most people come here try things out they lose then move on, and never stick to one thing JACK OF ALL BETS AND MASTER OF NONE you know who you are.Then there are the ones that dont contibute to anything they want every thing for free ,at least show that you contibute ,even if its a s.h.i.t idea.
Quote from: soggett on Mar 20, 01:17 PM 2013
2002 spins, enough for today
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2 times 5L's in a row, once 7L's everything else is 4 or less
longest win streak remains 26 in a row
any suggestions on a progression for this guys?
I have attached the w/l in excell for easier testing
the results to the right with the yellow L's - those are with the zero marked in case anyone thinks of covering it
so the yellow L is when a zero hit
This is over 120 units profit soggett with a marty, on a 1248 16 32 did not get past the second spin a definite winner on 2000 spins
Quote from: warrior on Mar 22, 10:15 AM 2013
ps keep the results coming ,love the exercises.
well then, here's some more ;D
Hope your eye is better
sorry i'm late with this, I am having a very busy past couple of days
ok,
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I have also attached like before in excell so you can test better
in the end 3962 spins flatbetting ends -62 units - i think thats awesome considering we are betting every spin
so now the progression part should kick in
and warrior just like you said, 3 times 6L's or more - about once every 1300 spins, amazing
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SOGGETT HAVE FUN WITH THE WS ;)
Hi guys, sorry I'm late here. Thanks to Warrior for posting this and also Soggett for testing.
For money management, why not play for two L's, then wait for a virtual W before starting again, using the leveller progression?
I'll test some of Soggett's sessions using this method and report back.
Cheers.
If betting 4 lines how about using GLC's "double the fun" progression for 2 dozens?
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Here's the chart. When I say Reset, I mean to start a new W/L line.
When we get down and then get back to even or plus, we reset back to 1 unit.
If we get close, you decide what close is, we can reset back down the bet line, but not necessarily all the way back to 1 unit on each dozen.
W = +1 This ends an attack. Reset at same bet size.
LWW = 0 This ends an attack. Reset at same bet size.
LWL = -3 This ends an attack. Reset and increase bet by 1 unit on each dozen.
LLWW = -2 This ends an attack. Reset and increase bet by 1 unit on each dozen.
LLWL = -5 This ends an attack. Reset and increase bet by 2 units on each dozen.
LLLWW = -4 This ends an attack. Reset and increase bet by 1 unit on each dozen.
LLLWL = -7 This ends an attack. Reset and increase bet by 2 units on each dozen.
LLLL...W = This ends an attack. Reset after 1st win and increase bet by 2 units on each dozen. Also, we can increase by more than 3 units if we have lost 6 or more times in a row.
It may prove to be too slow, but should help keep the bet sizes down and restrict losses.
Let us know what you think.
GLC
Instead of playing whole units on each doz - play 1/2 (half) units on the 4 qualifying lines...
From soggett's results posted looks like it would do nicely! :)
A.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Mar 24, 07:15 AM 2013
Hi guys, sorry I'm late here. Thanks to Warrior for posting this and also Soggett for testing.
For money management, why not play for two L's, then wait for a virtual W before starting again, using the leveller progression?
I'll test some of Soggett's sessions using this method and report back.
Cheers.
looking forward to your results
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 24, 07:40 AM 2013
If betting 4 lines how about using GLC's "double the fun" progression for 2 dozens?
Instead of playing whole units on each doz - play 1/2 (half) units on the 4 qualifying lines...
From soggett's results posted looks like it would do nicely! :)
A.
I was just thinking the same thing ;)
The thinking behind the placing of a Dozen bet, when the Lines tracking shows so, is a good idea.......
it occurred to me instantly too.
For me, the continued betting, after 3 consecutive Wins, is an area that could be looked at, because.......... continual hitting of the same 4 Lines is bound to end soon, as the hot numbers cool, and cold numbers become warmer.
What might be interesting, is, if this idea, can be combined with another system, to make it more comprehensive, and flexible.
Tracking is swift and easy, and if four lines are not obvious from the last 6 Lines results, looking back over the last 12 results on the Marquee, its easy to establish the 4th Line to bet on.
MM is key, and losses will accumulate if we have a long run of New numbers, either waking up, or jumping from sector to sector.
I have not had to chance to play a long session as yet, this are just my initial thoughts.
I do like a Lines bet..... :thumbsup:
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 24, 07:40 AM 2013
If betting 4 lines how about using GLC's "double the fun" progression for 2 dozens?
Instead of playing whole units on each doz - play 1/2 (half) units on the 4 qualifying lines...
From soggett's results posted looks like it would do nicely! :)
A.
I think when were dealing with LS i found your best of 5 to be the best , i had a session of hell the other day, when I'm dealing with LS on every spin this one rained supreme. :thumbsup: i have tried 1246 but same old same old ,i will have to go over all my results and break them up in every 5 and see how if it comes out ahead.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 24, 10:29 AM 2013
The thinking behind the placing of a Dozen bet, when the Lines tracking shows so, is a good idea.......
it occurred to me instantly too.
For me, the continued betting, after 3 consecutive Wins, is an area that could be looked at, because.......... continual hitting of the same 4 Lines is bound to end soon, as the hot numbers cool, and cold numbers become warmer.
What might be interesting, is, if this idea, can be combined with another system, to make it more comprehensive, and flexible.
Tracking is swift and easy, and if four lines are not obvious from the last 6 Lines results, looking back over the last 12 results on the Marquee, its easy to establish the 4th Line to bet on.
MM is key, and losses will accumulate if we have a long run of New numbers, either waking up, or jumping from sector to sector.
I have not had to chance to play a long session as yet, this are just my initial thoughts.
I do like a Lines bet..... :thumbsup:
i agree with a mix of another system, need to find wich one blends well with this is one.
I will release this method later on today so everyone can try it and see if it works for them.
@Warrior...
Tell me what U think about this.......
I just thought...........I had better ask Warrior about telling what the system is first!! lol
Hi warrior,
R u revealing more details on this? I would like to try with the progression I posted.
Thanks,
Atlantis.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 12, 08:08 PM 2013
Ok try this again we bet on 4 lines = 24numbers . track 7 results horizontal
ex 1234564 bet on 1234 the first 4 to qualify, for the next 7 spins.
2345323 WWWLWWW results from the line above 1234 next bet 2345.
3131323 WLWLWWW results from 2345 here theres no bet only 3 line skip track 7 more .
4112223 here we bet 4123 as you can see not always in the first 4.
3662662 WLLWLLW results from 4123 ,next bet is a no bet only 3 lines .
0023341 our bet is 2341
1662636 WLLWLWL anyways ways i think you have the idea use the LW registry from my previous post , you can bet up to 143 spin but i never go that far i usally have big bet after the double LL plus 3 and I'm out.or really big bet after LLL OR LLLL or just canoli money when i what to relax at the table and have fun .
ps don't forget my beer :LoL: hope this works ,don't shoot me if it does not :LoL:
Ok guys here, there is no reason to keep this any longer ,THE MEHTOD IS LIKE THE ONE ABOVE.
The only difference is you will be crossing off the 7 spin from the last .
always obtaining 4 lines ,there will be repeats so you need to always bet on the line even though its crossed off if there is a repeat that line thats crossed will be your line to bet to complete the 4.
ex 1233455555666 so here we hav 5 and 6 repeat so we would bet 3456 although the 3 and four are crossed off zeros are always included in your tracking.
You need to use your LWs ,there is so many variations .the MM IS KEY . any ? let me know i will answer them .
ex. 1234566 first bet is 1234
12345663 next bet 2345
123456635 3456
1234566355 4563
12345663552 5632
123456635522 5632 anyway you got the idea ,im a believer stick to one thing and do it well dont be a jack of all bets ,play with this ,leave it for a while then go back that how i do it with most of my methods and i tweak until there is nothing left .
Now results here would be appreciated to see if all the testing that has been done there is a consintent in LWs.
Im working on a parlay bet, its working well so far need to see if it will bust.I WLL POST IT .
warrior,
thanks for sharing.
nice and easy and fun to play. :)
did a short test. see excel.
15 w against 11 l.
then i had an idea and tested it with a tweak. 20 w against 7 l.
will do more tests and compare results. i dont have roulette extreme so if anybody could test a lot of spins
with the tweak and compare it to the regular version write me a pm.
original version:
32 W VS 25 L
tweak:
42 W VS 15 L
tweak hits like hell. also notice, that the most L in a row is 2. will do a lot more testing...looks very interesting.
thanks again warrior. :thumbsup:
Quote from: RFMAXX on Mar 25, 12:48 PM 2013
original version:
32 W VS 25 L
tweak:
42 W VS 15 L
tweak hits like hell. also notice, that the most L in a row is 2. will do a lot more testing...looks very interesting.
thanks again warrior. :thumbsup:
very nice results
what's the tweak?
got an equal session 8)
Quote from: RFMAXX on Mar 25, 12:48 PM 2013
original version:
32 W VS 25 L
tweak:
42 W VS 15 L
tweak hits like hell. also notice, that the most L in a row is 2. will do a lot more testing...looks very interesting.
thanks again warrior. :thumbsup:
your welcome ^-^
HERE IS SOMETHNG INTERESTING.
PARLAY THERE ARE 9 LEVELS
LEVEL 1a 4x1.00 on a win go to b on a loss go to level 2 and So on .
b4x2.00
LEVEL 2a 4x2.00
b 4x3.00
LEVEL3a 4x4.00
b 4x6.00
LEVEL4a 4x6.00
b 4x9.00
LEVEL 5a 4x11.00
b 4x17.00
LEVEL 6a 4x20.00
b 4x30.00
LEVEL 7 a 4x36.00
b4x54.00
LEVEL 8a 4x65.00
b 4 x 98.00
LEVEL 9 a 4x120.00
b 4x180.00
around 1061 units bank i will try this one on a 5000 spin test and see if it bust. try this ,i would be interested in your results. :thumbsup: PS IF YOU WIN THE PARLAY A AND B ALWAYS GO BACK TO LEVEL 1.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Mar 25, 12:48 PM 2013
original version:
32 W VS 25 L
tweak:
42 W VS 15 L
tweak hits like hell. also notice, that the most L in a row is 2. will do a lot more testing...looks very interesting.
thanks again warrior. :thumbsup:
I ve had thousands of games with those stats :thumbsup:
My first 3 games with the parlay ,long way to go.highest level 7
1 +124
2+88
3+118
You have to remember that i only played this with a marty, so this parlay is a big deal for me.if it come out head and it does not bust i will use this as my primary mm.i can make more money this way then the marty.
If you can make even 5% of your bank your doing well.
NO ? MUST BE EASY METHOD :twisted:
What is this new/current tweak? :question:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 25, 07:41 PM 2013
What is this new/current tweak? :question:
NO CLUE
U mean
"I haven't got a Clue"
or
"I'm not giving U a clue"!! lol
Could be red/read both ways! :-X
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 25, 09:08 PM 2013
U mean
"I haven't got a Clue"
or
"I'm not giving U a clue"!! LoL
Could be red/read both ways! :-X
No really, no idea , never asked ,he can post his tweak here if he wants for me the stats are the most important .things go really well when you start a new method then it can go sour,i will be satisfied with at least 4000 spins with succsess.
My last session with the parlay MM finished with + 222 units :) will keep on playing .
Quote from: warrior on Mar 25, 03:52 PM 2013
HERE IS SOMETHNG INTERESTING.
PARLAY THERE ARE 9 LEVELS
LEVEL 1a 4x1.00 on a win go to b on a loss go to level 2 and So on .
b4x2.00
LEVEL 2a 4x2.00
b 4x3.00
LEVEL3a 4x4.00
b 4x6.00
LEVEL4a 4x6.00
b 4x9.00
LEVEL 5a 4x11.00
b 4x17.00
LEVEL 6a 4x20.00
b 4x30.00
LEVEL 7 a 4x36.00
b4x54.00
LEVEL 8a 4x65.00
b 4 x 98.00
LEVEL 9 a 4x120.00
b 4x180.00
around 1061 units bank i will try this one on a 5000 spin test and see if it bust. try this ,i would be interested in your results. :thumbsup: PS IF YOU WIN THE PARLAY A AND B ALWAYS GO BACK TO LEVEL 1.
awesome
will test the 4000 spins with this
think you solved the MM part ;)
question, after a win on step 1a do we restart or go to 1b? since we are in profit on the win
EDIT:
maybe i spoke too soon, just had:
L L W L W L W L L L W L LWWWW
so far 500 spins and I'm at -142
but before the loss it went up and up, about 2 units per spin - very nice
Quote from: RFMAXX on Mar 25, 02:12 PM 2013
got an equal session 8)
I don't know what your tweak is but you might want to recheck your results
you get L's when there should be W's and the other way around
EDIT:
nevermind, figured out what you are doing, very nice thinking :thumbsup:
If anybody wants to play around and test
here are the 3976 spins converted to lines
lined up in rows of 7
Quote from: soggett on Mar 26, 01:34 AM 2013
awesome
will test the 4000 spins with this
think you solved the MM part ;)
question, after a win on step 1a do we restart or go to 1b? since we are in profit on the win
EDIT:
maybe i spoke too soon, just had:
L L W L W L W L L L W L LWWWW +18 9th LEVEL
so far 500 spins and I'm at -142
but before the loss it went up and up, about 2 units per spin - very nice
[/quote
soggett you are +18 it took you to the 9th level but did not bust
The idea behind the parlay is to see how many times it takes me to the 9th,then adjust the MM to the bet selection,this has to be done step by step before attacking the casinos,so we don't panic when the time comes.
1 124+
2 88+
3 222+
4 155+
5 128+
TOTAL 589 LAST 500 SPINS 8 TH LEVEL SO FAR :)
Quote from: soggett on Mar 26, 01:34 AM 2013
awesome
will test the 4000 spins with this
think you solved the MM part ;)
question, after a win on step 1a do we restart or go to 1b? since we are in profit on the win
EDIT:
maybe i spoke too soon, just had:
L L W L W L W L L L W L LWWWW
so far 500 spins and I'm at -142
but before the loss it went up and up, about 2 units per spin - very nice
the ? is does it recover.
Quote from: warrior on Mar 26, 12:14 PM 2013
the ? is does it recover.
oh does it ever
first 2002 spins
I had 2 busts of progression
ends +948 units
but the graph is upwardlooking 8)
Fabulous results guys. .... :thumbsup:
strange tho how those 3downward spikes (between spins 68 & 120) all flatline in almost the same place!! @ around -70/80 units.
Tho the upward trend is excellent.
Have you worked out an average 'Z' score out yet?
I did the chart in excell and did it in a 7 by 7 spin fashion - meaning "spin 68" is actually spin 476
it was easier for me to do it like that
I'll try to do it spin by spin
you are right in observing that the downward spikes are all rather "small"
about the Z score - haven't a clue how to do it, maybe warrior already calculated it
Maybe asking Bayes is the way forward.
I found this also:-
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Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 26, 01:53 PM 2013
Maybe asking Bayes is the way forward.
I found this also:-
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thanks, I get 2,78 - is that good? - thats for the first 2002 spins
here is the spin by spin graph
In the second half of the upward trend, there is almost a cyclic downdraw !
That major hit going to -505 or thereabouts, would be game over for most players.....but I'm interested why the huge drop- straight down, and why the lines became so choppy .
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I say "choppy" because that is the only felt/table movement that can kill this lines bet of Urs.
[/reveal ]
I have no idea how do do the z score.
Quote from: soggett on Mar 26, 02:17 PM 2013
thanks, I get 2,78 - is that good? - that's for the first 2002 spins
here is the spin by spin graph
Thats interesting soggett ,good work :thumbsup:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 26, 01:34 PM 2013
Fabulous results guys. .... :thumbsup:
strange though how those 3downward spikes (between spins 68 & 120) all flatline in almost the same place!! @ around -70/80 units.
though the upward trend is excellent.
Have you worked out an average 'Z' score out yet?
Im getting the same results at about 60 spins it goes a little waky then it recovers to make a profit ,there has to be a way to take advatage of this if it continues .
Hello,
I have been working on your thesis and it has been working great!
But I am struggling with some problems.
Firstly, I was looking at histories of 7 numbers and get lines but then
there are sometimes 5 lines.
Ex) 1123564
In this case what am I supposed to do?
Secondly, I was playing for about 100 spins so far, and it ends earning about $10
I was thinking why I made only $10, and I realized, when I lose, I lose $4 and if i win, i earn $2
Based on this, I was even trying double the amount
Ex) I bet $1, and lose. Next I bet $2 and lose. Next I bet $10 (according to your comment in this post), and win.
So basically i spend $4 at the beginning. And lose $8 in the second time. And earn $50 in the end.
So, first two =-12
And even though i win, it will be $12
which is the original amount of the money.
Another one is,
Lets say my lines are 1,2,3,4
My WL ration is WWWLLLL
in this case, am i supposed to stick to 1,2,3,4?
or am i supposed to get new lines?
Do you have any solution for these?
Sorry, I am pretty new to roulette so, don't understand stuff like z-score or L VS F whatever those kinda stuff... so please make it simple for me to understand.
Thank youuuu
Heyy guys,
I have found some weak points regarding of warrior's one theory.
He commented on parlay and I found something interesting about this theory with 143
So, I was playing with both parlay and 143 but, whenever i tried, my money just stayed same or even less. I was thinking about why and came up with the reason.
What I found is this
Bet Total bet profit
1, 1, 1, 1 =4 ->6
2, 2, 2, 2 =8 ->12
6, 6, 6, 6 =24 ->36
18, 18, 18, 18 =72 ->108
54, 54, 54, 54 =216 ->324
This is the lines that I used
Starting: 5, 6, 5, 1, 5, 0, 3
1,5,6,3 (line)
3, 2, 1, 3, 3, 0, 4
1,2,3,4 (line)
1, 1, 1, 6, 1, 6, 1
4, 2, 3, 3, 1, 6, 3
4, 3, 2, 3, 3, 5, 4
2,3,4,5 (line)
4, 3, 6, 4, 6, 0, 6, 6, 1
No bet (Got scared) :S
3, 5, 0, 4
(As you can see, I have gotten 0,6,6,1 in a row, and this made me to think how to make profit)
143 theory, i would say its really good and profitable, but in order to earn more money in a short duration, I think my calculation has to be added before playing.
Quote from: kimlle on Mar 27, 09:11 PM 2013
Hello,
I have been working on your thesis and it has been working great!
But I am struggling with some problems.
Firstly, I was looking at histories of 7 numbers and get lines but then
there are sometimes 5 lines.
Ex) 1123564
In this case what am I supposed to do?
Secondly, I was playing for about 100 spins so far, and it ends earning about $10
I was thinking why I made only $10, and I realized, when I lose, I lose $4 and if i win, i earn $2
Based on this, I was even trying double the amount
Ex) I bet $1, and lose. Next I bet $2 and lose. Next I bet $10 (according to your comment in this post), and win.
So basically i spend $4 at the beginning. And lose $8 in the second time. And earn $50 in the end.
So, first two =-12
And even though i win, it will be $12
which is the original amount of the money.
Another one is,
Lets say my lines are 1,2,3,4
My WL ration is WWWLLLL
in this case, am i supposed to stick to 1,2,3,4?
or am i supposed to get new lines?
Do you have any solution for these?
Sorry, I am pretty new to roulette so, don't understand stuff like z-score or L VS F whatever those kinda stuff... so please make it simple for me to understand.
Thank youuuu
You always bet the 4 lines that qualify ,in your example 1123564 here you bet 1235 and always remove the 7th spin and replace with a new one ,if you get only 5 lines you always bet the 4lines, if you have results like this 122224446 my bet here are 1246 hope this helps. this is 24 number bet you get a 1 to2 return .
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT ONE OF THE GUYS HERE IS PLAYING THIS WITH WHEEL SECTOR IT WORKS WELL ,BUT YOU NEED MORE CAPITAL.
Hi Warrior
This is a great system, very simple; very clear explanation, fantastic results thanks for sharing it. I've been using with the tweak
with real $ on Dublin bet and it never beyond the 2 LL so far...... One question do you think it may also work on live
automated roulette......? or it works mainly at casinos with real dealer.....?? Thanks
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Mar 28, 06:21 PM 2013
Hi Warrior
This is a great system, very simple; very clear explanation, fantastic results thanks for sharing it. I've been using with the tweak
with real $ on Dublin bet and it never beyond the 2 LL so far...... One question do you think it may also work on live
automated roulette......? or it works mainly at casinos with real dealer.....?? Thanks
Chris
Happy you like it ,lots of thought went into this ,i have only played live , i guess it could work on rng ,what's your tweak?
Those downward spikes in Soggett's graphs are why we need a hefty bankroll. So far this system is winning at such a good rate that a major loss is recovered rather quickly, comparatively speaking.
Nice work Warrior,
GLC
Hi Warrior
Thanks for your response; The tweak is that I use the 143 method as you have described with one of my favourite method which is also based on dozens.
When playing both methods at same time the results are extremely good. We double our winnings and recover any losses very rapidly without taking significant risk. During the weekend I will send you by PM the methods as to how I play them together. You will be able to give examine it, test it , and give your opinion; If you too have great results as I do with the combinined method, it will be placed on the forum for further testing, evaluation and use by members.
Please Check your PM during the weekend.
Cheers
Chris
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Chris555p on Mar 29, 08:52 AM 2013
Hi Warrior
Thanks for your response; The tweak is that I use the 143 method as you have described with one of my favourite method which is also based on dozens.
When playing both methods at same time the results are extremely good. We double our winnings and recover any losses very rapidly without taking significant risk. During the weekend I will send you by PM the methods as to how I play them together. You will be able to give examine it, test it , and give your opinion; If you too have great results as I do with the combinined method, it will be placed on the forum for further testing, evaluation and use by members.
Please Check your PM during the weekend.
Cheers
Chris
:thumbsup:
jep. i am testing it with wheel sectors. :thumbsup:
big disadvantage: you have to play single numbers. 24 single numbers. so live play
is not possible if the dealer spins fast.
advantage: hits very good for me so far :)
please try and post results.
Hi Warrior,
have you seen more than 6L in your testing ?
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Mar 30, 02:24 PM 2013
Hi Warrior,
have you seen more than 6L in your testing ?
Ray
Yes 7 only once.
Hi ,
just came from my casino near to my place and it worked very well. My most L's where 4.
The live Roulettetable just took to long. To crowded.
Just hope I had made the right betselections.
Came out with +200â,¬. Playing with 5â,¬ basebets.
Have to check the Parlaything and see how that works in combination with the betting.
Didn't figure that out yet.
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Mar 30, 10:00 PM 2013
Hi ,
just came from my casino near to my place and it worked very well. My most L's where 4.
The live Roulettetable just took to long. To crowded.
Just hope I had made the right betselections.
Came out with +200â,¬. Playing with 5â,¬ basebets.
Have to check the Parlaything and see how that works in combination with the betting.
Didn't figure that out yet.
Ray
I agree it is slow,how long did it take to make 200 e?
I'm some way through testing Soggett's 700 spin session from post #105.
I'm stopping at 2 L's and waiting or a virtual W before starting again. I've been looking at the guetting progression.
The positive progression really takes advantage of the long runs of W's and possibly would lead to an earlier exit.
I'll post results up when I finish the session.
I'm just puzzled re Soggett's 170 pts up though (from the same post). Is this a cumulative total? It can't be on that session alone?
QuoteI agree it is slow,how long did it take to make 200 e?
It took me about 3 hours. because I needed to get the feeling of the Game and the roulettetable.
betting with 1 Euro and then with 2 Euro.
As soon as I got confident with the method and the table I went up to 5 Euro. At the end I played with 10 Euros.
Today I went again and won 217 Euros and it took 1 hour and 50 minutes. 200 Euros is my goal.
I started with 2 Euro and as soon as I got confident again I played with 5 and then with 10 Euros.
Toady's max L's 3X
It's a great method and this playing without parlay. With Parlay I think it would take me 25 minutes ;)
Tomorrow I'm going to Wiesbaden and have a go there. I will try to do it again. Will let you know....
But the main reason I'm going to Wiesbaden is , the Restaurant there is awesome !!! That alone is worth going there ;)
Happy Easter to everyone
Ray
@rayhd63
Are you playing with any known tweak?
and if so, which?
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Quote from: rayhd63 on Mar 31, 07:24 PM 2013
It took me about 3 hours. because I needed to get the feeling of the Game and the roulettetable.
betting with 1 Euro and then with 2 Euro.
As soon as I got confident with the method and the table I went up to 5 Euro. At the end I played with 10 Euros.
Today I went again and won 217 Euros and it took 1 hour and 50 minutes. 200 Euros is my goal.
I started with 2 Euro and as soon as I got confident again I played with 5 and then with 10 Euros.
Toady's max L's 3X
It's a great method and this playing without parlay. With Parlay I think it would take me 25 minutes ;)
Tomorrow I'm going to Wiesbaden and have a go there. I will try to do it again. Will let you know....
But the main reason I'm going to Wiesbaden is , the Restaurant there is awesome !!! That alone is worth going there ;)
Happy Easter to everyone
Ray
:thumbsup:
Good luck Ray.
Are you flat betting?
Hi Warrior
Thanks for sharing the 143 method. I tried to send u a PM but the PM part of the system does not somehow seems to work.
I have played this method for real $ and the results are quite good. The longest loosing streaks I have had now is 4.
I have also tried playing the method 143 combined with other methods to see the results.
I usually wait to have one or 2 virtual losses before playing the method 143; Also where possible I play it the method with another method for ex, the “One Dozen Plz method†and the results are quite good as it is very rare for, both methods to have loosing streaks at same time. I have copied a part of the One Dozen Plz method which is also a great method as explained nicely by Dino 246 below. Detailed explanation of this method are in the relevant part in the forum.
You or other members you may wish to try playing two methods at same time and compare the results. They are usually quite good. I have copied and paste a part of the "One Dozen Plz" method below.
Cheers
Chris
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Re: One Dozen Plz ?
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2012, 02:42:55 AM »
Hope you don't mind twister,below are the same spins BUT with my twist on YOUR idea.
011
332 no bet due to zero
223 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
331 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
032 won 1st bet zero or 2nd bet 1/3 dz
332 no bet due to zero
312 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
111 no bet due to 3 diff dz
131 no bet due to 3 same dz
112 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
303 won on 2nd bet 1/2 (I always cover zero )
121 no bet due to zero
131 won 1st bet 1/2 dz
113 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
233 won 2nd bet 1/3 dz
123 won 3rd bet 2/3 dz
232 no bet due to 3 diff dz
311 won 1st bet 2/3 dz
111 won 2nd bet 1/3 dz
313 no bet due to 3 same dz
111 won 1st bet 1/3 dz
313 no bet due to 3 same doz
I always bet minimum £5 outside bets and cover zero every time as INSURANCE......hence NO losers to date on any session with dozens.I have had ONE loser with columns
Dino.
QuoteGood luck Ray.
Are you flat betting?
No I'm not.
Played in Wiesbaden Today. Playing on B2NR and B2AS
On B2NR I put in 500 Euros and played with 5 Euros and 10 Euros.
The most L'2 there 3X stopt playing at 737 Euros
On the B2AS Table I put in 100 and played with 2 and 5 Euros.
Was lucky on that table. Max L'2 2X and stopt at 210 Euros
For that Day I was on + 347 Euros And the Playint Time !!! 50 minutes.....
After deducting the Excellent Restaurant and Drinks and Fuel I was on a Profit of around 210 Euros.
Starting Tuesday is normal day's again and I dont know if I am going to play during the week. On the Weekend for sure...
Next Time I am in Wiesbaden, I will send you a few pictures from there....
Warrior !!! Great method, even I don't know if I am playing it right :o
Will send you my Excelsheet , so , if you got the time, maybe you could have a look if that's the way you thought it to be.
Have a great one everybody
Ray
Ray, Even if you're not playing it exactly right, whatever you're doing seems to be working. If I were you, I wouldn't change a thing without a very good reason to do so.
Continued luck mate,
GLC
Quote from: rayhd63 on Apr 01, 10:17 PM 2013
No I'm not.
Played in Wiesbaden Today. Playing on B2NR and B2AS
On B2NR I put in 500 Euros and played with 5 Euros and 10 Euros.
The most L'2 there 3X stopt playing at 737 Euros
On the B2AS Table I put in 100 and played with 2 and 5 Euros.
Was lucky on that table. Max L'2 2X and stopt at 210 Euros
For that Day I was on + 347 Euros And the Playint Time !!! 50 minutes.....
After deducting the Excellent Restaurant and Drinks and Fuel I was on a Profit of around 210 Euros.
Starting Tuesday is normal day's again and I don't know if I am going to play during the week. On the Weekend for sure...
Next Time I am in Wiesbaden, I will send you a few pictures from there....
Warrior !!! Great method, even I don't know if I am playing it right :o
Will send you my Excelsheet , so , if you got the time, maybe you could have a look if that's the way you thought it to be.
Have a great one everybody
Ray
Please send it to i would like to see it :thumbsup:
Me too!
chrisbis36@yahoo.com .....if you can distribute to interested fellows.
:thumbsup:
Me too if it's oki with you Chris555p@hotmail.com
Thank you.
Hi George,
yes you are 100% right there. But, the reason I want to know if it is wrong is, maybe doing it with Warriors meant rules I would get a higher hit rate.
Or, as you mentioned, less...
What I haven't done yet on this 143 is the Parlay. I just don't get it......
Ray
Here are two sessions I played.
The Dublin was a dream !!!!
second was a tough one. These are original numbers from my local casino 25 minutes away. Live Dealer.
My progression on those are 1-3-9-9-27
The sheet is semi automatic ;) Just didn`t have time to make it full ;)
Stopp or Winn Goal is a personal thing....
Should anyone wonder on some lines I bet when there are only 3 DS to bet, I just move up until I get the 4th DS.
ex. 54232234323234 where the last 7 would be 432 and no 4th DS so I just keep going up till I find my 4th DS which in this case would be 5
That happens allot which is very good, because the 3 DS repeat.
Ray
@chris555p
QuoteThe tweak is that I use the 143 method as you have described with one of my favourite method which is also based on dozens.
When playing both methods at same time the results are extremely good
You mind sharing the your dozzen method ? I would like to test it.
PM, mail, or whatever....
I also thought in combining it with L vs F lines .
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Apr 02, 07:15 AM 2013
Here are two sessions I played.
The Dublin was a dream !!!!
second was a tough one. These are original numbers from my local casino 25 minutes away. Live Dealer.
My progression on those are 1-3-9-9-27
The sheet is semi automatic ;) Just didn`t have time to make it full ;)
Stopp or Winn Goal is a personal thing....
Should anyone wonder on some lines I bet when there are only 3 DS to bet, I just move up until I get the 4th DS.
ex. 54232234323234 where the last 7 would be 432 and no 4th DS so I just keep going up till I find my 4th DS which in this case would be 5
That happens allot which is very good, because the 3 DS repeat.
Ray
This is right on, your doing it right,the parlay is simple on a win you go from A TO B on a loss you move up the levels ex.you at level 1 lets say you win the first bet that's A then you bet B and lose you go to level 2 A and repeat there are 9 levels.
rayhd,
thanks for your excel files.
attached is your hard session with my tweak. won easy - flatbetting.
if there were not so much numbers to bet, i would like to develop it further, because you get more money in less play time.
any ideas?
lets meet up and play this together when you are going to play in aachen or duisburg :thumbsup:
@ all: most L i see during my test was 3. so please feel free to develop a progression or triggers.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Apr 02, 09:04 AM 2013
rayhd,
thanks for your excel files.
attached is your hard session with my tweak. won easy - flatbetting.
if there were not so much numbers to bet, i would like to develop it further, because you get more money in less play time.
any ideas?
lets meet up and play this together when you are going to play in aachen or duisburg :thumbsup:
@ all: most L i see during my test was 3. so please feel free to develop a progression or triggers.
Less numbers are great ,and yes you can make more money,but then it takes longer to hit those less numbers ,and if the tables are busy it becomes a challenge with patience,and the dynamic of the 143 concept changes with less numbers, i have tried all sorts but you never know,what needs to be done is to use the 143 concept and see if you can develope it to get max 2LLs in the sessions you play ,ex is 20 spins 30 or 40 or 50 ,and look for a formula that gives the same results on those amount of spins,sometimes we test to many spins and we cant find the right amount to make a formula.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Apr 02, 09:04 AM 2013
rayhd,
thanks for your excel files.
attached is your hard session with my tweak. won easy - flatbetting.
if there were not so much numbers to bet, i would like to develop it further, because you get more money in less play time.
any ideas?
lets meet up and play this together when you are going to play in aachen or duisburg :thumbsup:
@ all: most L i see during my test was 3. so please feel free to develop a progression or triggers.
Hi RFMAXX how are you playing the sectors in your spredsheet you have split into three i was testing on 6?
Many Thanks Koolkat
Im working on something right now,and it all has the same concepts as the 143 bet ,nothing changes ,im at 3 LLL max,but im not happy with that if i can make to 2LLs max i will be happy .
Quote from: warrior on Apr 02, 10:19 AM 2013
I'm working on something right now,and it all has the same concepts as the 143 bet ,nothing changes ,I'm at 3 LLL max,but I'm not happy with that if i can make to 2LLs max i will be happy .
:thumbsup:
Hi Ray, Warrior and everyone
Thanks for your message and sharing ideas. In relation to the question you asked Ray, and also I think that as Warrior suggested in one of his previous post on this topic it is a good idea to try and mix Method 143 with other method.
By playing two very good methods at the same time I believe we win twice as fast, we can leave the table faster with profits, the probability of having 3 LLL’s at same time for both methods at same time is reduced.
I have played the 143 method combined with the “Method of One Dozen Plz†and the results are very good.
The way I play it is exactly as described by Warrior for the 143 method. Similarly I play the One Dozen Plz method exactly the same way as described by Dino. Please refer to reply No. 181 above where a summary of Method One Dozen Plz is described.
I think that playing any good two Dozen method would blend in quite well with the method 143, it's a bit like an insurance against 3 LLL's for progressions.
For example yesterday I played the 143 method combined with the method of “Double Dozen Parlay†shared by GLC. I played them at live wheel Dublin Bet and Fairway Casino and the results were very good there as well. A summary of GLC’s method is below.
When you have the opportunity you may wish to try playing the method 143 combined with one of the method mentioned above or with one of your other favourite method.
Cheers
Chris
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Re: Double Dozen Parlay
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2011, 06:09:35 PM »
I think the above playing method is very sound, but it doesn't suit my playing style at present.
Here's my new bet selection methodology.
Our main bet is to wait for a dozen to hit twice and a dozen to hit once in the last 3 spins and bet on the dozen that hit once and the dozen that didn't hit in the last 3 spins.
Previously is had a No Bet situation when I had either no repeats in the last 3 spins or all of the last 3 spins be the same dozen. Now, if we have no repeats in the last 3 spins, in other words 1-2-3 or 2-1-3 or 3-2-1 or 3-1-2 etc... we bet on the last 2 dozens to hit. In the above 4 examples we would have bet on the 1-2 on the 1st one, 2-1 on the 2nd one, 3-2 on the 3rd one and 3-1 on the 4th one.
If we get 3 of the same dozen, in other words 1-1-1 or 2-2-2 or 3-3-3 we bet on this dozen and also on the farthest back dozen to hit. If we have the following spins 1-3-3-2-1-1-1 our next bet would be 1-3. The 1 dozen is the repeating dozen and the 3 dozens is the farthest back to hit.
If you like the Stop betting after a loss and start betting after a win idea, it's still very strong and I recommend it.
The above change will give us a lot more betting opportunities and so far doesn't appear to water down our wins vs losses ratio.
A different bet progression is posted in Colbster's "Eggleston Betting Method 2" replay #8
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4247.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4247.0)
Thanks for your patience.
GLC
@Warrior
thanks, now I'm going to test it with the parlay.
If you need help in Testing your new concept , let me know. That much that I am testing at the moment (My wife is in Philadelphia till 8th May ).
Maybe I will find more than 3L. Just let me know.
@ RFMAXX
That would be my next step in testing it on wheel layout.
Playing live is quite a challenge. I tried it on Touchbet and still made mistakes entering the numbers. And of course these numbers came....
So that's not relay an option. The way it would work on Touchbet would be playing on 2 terminals. Split up the numbers.
So when its time to bet each player has to put in 12 numbers instead of 24. That should work nice....
The other option of course , Sam you will love it , "Bot it" ;-)))
I will take your word on it. We shall meet sooner than you think !! Where are you from ?!?
My hometown is next to Schwetzingen (Spargelstadt ;-) , der beste übrigens !! )
Ray
I tested Soggett's results from post #105, using the Guetting progression, stopping at 2L's and waiting for a W before re starting betting.
Over all, the 700 spins finished up 173 pts in profit.
However, the main gains were in the beginning of his spins, with the progression taking advantage of a good string of W's.
The last 400 or so spins came at a loss of -1.25pts.
Perhaps this isn't the right progression to be used with this method.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 02, 10:19 AM 2013
I'm working on something right now,and it all has the same concepts as the 143 bet ,nothing changes ,I'm at 3 LLL max,but I'm not happy with that if i can make to 2LLs max i will be happy .
Hi Warrior, are you testing on 24 numbers? Cheers Koolkat
Here are two charts
......to much Wine...... :o
Here are two charts
same number , different betting.
One is betting on Table layout , other Wheel layout.
on the Wheel layout I had 3 L'2 and on the Table layout I had 2 L's
When playing with the wheel layout, you sure need a bigger bankroll. With that small test it was (on flat betting) -72 vs -12
Since Warrior had the most 7 L's don't know what would the wheel layout show....
Do you still have that session Warrior ?!?
Ray
........kept playing to 100 spins wheel/table layout.
!!!!! Unbelievable !!!
Table layout 7 L's Wheel layout 3 L's !!!!!
Same numbers 100 Spins....
Note, this is flatbet testing.....
see graphs
Ray
That looks great Ray; May be wheel selection may be another good option........; What web site did u do the test if u don't mind me asking.....; Also what's the longest winning streak have u had during testing......? Thanks
To make betting more economical may be bets could be made using street; corners; split etc.where appropriate, what do u think....??.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: KoolKat on Apr 03, 12:14 PM 2013
Hi Warrior, are you testing on 24 numbers? Cheers Koolkat
Yes im still trying different things .
Quote from: rayhd63 on Apr 03, 03:08 PM 2013
........kept playing to 100 spins wheel/table layout.
!!!!! Unbelievable !!!
Table layout 7 L's Wheel layout 3 L's !!!!!
Same numbers 100 Spins....
Note, this is flatbet testing.....
see graphs
Ray
The wheel layout looks good but dam you need a huge bank for it ,i have tried to break it up and play with streets and spilts but unless you bet on every number ,its hard to cover the amount of lines needed for the bet .
Hi Guys,
played at my local casino yesterday and its very difficult playing the wheel layout. The only way that would work is playing with a partner and splitting the 24 numbers in 12/12
To play with 12 numbers is less difficult. The best thing is playing on Touchbet , no one there to get in the way placing the units.
Lost allot yesterday, due to the fact my neighbour just couldn't stop talking and talking !!! Which had the effect that I forgot to place bets and writing down wrong...
after printing out the numbers and checking what would happen, I would have had 4 L's max.....
But the good thing on all that is I LEARND MY LESSON. I promised the table I'll be back :girl_to:
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Apr 03, 03:08 PM 2013
........kept playing to 100 spins wheel/table layout.
!!!!! Unbelievable !!!
Table layout 7 L's Wheel layout 3 L's !!!!!
Same numbers 100 Spins....
Note, this is flatbet testing.....
see graphs
Ray
very nice results
when i get the time I'll do the 4000 spins but wheel based, then we will see the difference
on a side note - the online players, some casinos (if not all) offer to save a few bets
that way we can save sectors from the wheel and presto - 1 click puts chips on 6 numbers - maybe that way it could be easier and possible?
@ ray: cologne :)
@ all: with the wheel layout you get a lot of hits. but you need a big bankroll. progression is nearly impossible.
after the 4th step you need too much money. waiting for 2 or more L as a trigger is boring and you miss the
strings of W.
so what to do?
maybe use the racetrack? announcing for example 19 - 2 - 2 and another one and you lay down the rest yourself on single numbers?
will figure that out. O0
@ everyone
I have been playing online with live dealer using both methods the wheel layout and table layout simultaneously with real $.
I wait to have 2 LLs before betting. The results so far are very good. Having more than 2 LLs with both methods at same time is very rare up to now…..Although it may get a bit boring waiting for 2LL's to show up, for me it's not an issue as I usually make a few bigger bets at that time and I'm out.
For the wheel layout may be we could use something similar to the method Action number 22 created by John Patrick; He uses for example 4 units to cover 22 numbers: Dbl street 1-6; Dbl street 10-15; Quad 17/18/20/21; Dbl street 28 -33.The strike rate is also quite high and having streaks of LLs is very rare when the timing is correct. I have also played this method combined with method 143, the results are very good.
May be we could develop something similar as Action Number 22 but using the wheel lay out…..
Cheers
Chris
:o
Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 04, 08:27 AM 2013
@ everyone
I have been playing online with live dealer using both methods the wheel layout and table layout simultaneously with real $.
I wait to have 2 LLs before betting. The results so far are very good. Having more than 2 LLs with both methods at same time is very rare up to now…..Although it may get a bit boring waiting for 2LL's to show up, for me it's not an issue as I usually make a few bigger bets at that time and I'm out.
For the wheel layout may be we could use something similar to the method Action number 22 created by John Patrick; He uses for example 4 units to cover 22 numbers: Dbl street 1-6; Dbl street 10-15; Quad 17/18/20/21; Dbl street 28 -33.The strike rate is also quite high and having streaks of LLs is very rare when the timing is correct. I have also played this method combined with method 143, the results are very good.
May be we could develop something similar as Action Number 22 but using the wheel lay out…..
Cheers
Chris
YES COULD WORK.
I will present a wheel based bet some time today or this evening ,but using outside dozen to make the bet so far 3 ls is the most, the Ws can add up to 22 to26 in a row time will tell.
Hi Warrior
Yes it would probably work I'd say.
I tried to send you PM but the PM feature of the forum does not seem to work. Would it be possible to give me your add email and I will send it to u. My add email is Chris555p@hotmail.com
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 09:46 AM 2013
I will present a wheel based bet some time today or this evening ,but using outside dozen to make the bet so far 3 ls is the most, the Ws can add up to 22 to26 in a row time will tell.
appreciate it and cant wait ;)
Quote from: Chris555p
I tried to send you PM but the PM feature of the forum does not seem to work. Would it be possible to give me your add email and I will send it to u. My add email is Chris555p@hotmail.com
Chris
Hi Chris
I think U have to complete 10 or more posts before U are allowed to post PM to members,
cheers
Hi Chrisbis
Oki thanks for lettting me know; I'm a new member therefore, I was not aware of this requirement.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 04, 08:27 AM 2013
@ everyone
I have been playing online with live dealer using both methods the wheel layout and table layout simultaneously with real $.
I wait to have 2 LLs before betting. The results so far are very good. Having more than 2 LLs with both methods at same time is very rare up to now…..Although it may get a bit boring waiting for 2LL's to show up, for me it's not an issue as I usually make a few bigger bets at that time and I'm out.
For the wheel layout may be we could use something similar to the method Action number 22 created by John Patrick; He uses for example 4 units to cover 22 numbers: Dbl street 1-6; Dbl street 10-15; Quad 17/18/20/21; Dbl street 28 -33.The strike rate is also quite high and having streaks of LLs is very rare when the timing is correct. I have also played this method combined with method 143, the results are very good.
May be we could develop something similar as Action Number 22 but using the wheel lay out…..
Cheers
Chris
Hi!
I have just tested that system of John Patrick.
I put my the wheel on autoplay for 1000 spins flatbet with the system and the results was -25 units on rng at unibet.I don`t really now if this can help, i just wanted to now.
agesta
Went to my local casino, just to get the numbers of the day.
And what do you know, this is sort of rough and come out of the casino with no more nerves left.....
Table Layout 167 Wins 97 Losses Max 4 L's (that's manageable)
Wheel Layout 175 Wins 89 Losses Max 6 L's (that's a killer, and I thought I wouldn't see that)
There are the numbers to download and different sheets
Flat betting
On the Table layout there where 1-3-9-27
On the Wheel layout there where 1-3-9-27-81-243-729 !!
And a safer way would be 1-3-9 wait for virtual win
This is the point where we need to talk to George and have him look at the LW's especially the 6L's and then next 30 spins thereafter
to see what is a good solution to come out of this with a blue eye....
Would be nice if one would let me know of the extra dozzen bets that they think would reduce the downdraft...
Ray
thats bad :-\
do you have the numbers? or downloadable? wiesbaden?
Click on the file "Numbers"....
They are from Bad Dürkheim Table1 live dealer
or here if you want....
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Hope I have made a mistake...... Have a look.
@ Ray, everyone
Oohh ....!!! That looks bad.... :o
That's one of the reason when I play for real $, I generally prefer playing at least with two methods similtaneously as I found that they usually compensate for each in case of LL......; This way I also spread the risk, avoid putting all my eggs in the same basket coz if/when the basket falls...... ???
Chris
Ray is that betting every spin? a few years back i was testing alot of methods within methods this is the only way you have a chance to beat the game,chris555 has the right idea ,by playing 2 methods ,but the second method has to be of a higher payout bet to make it profitable ,the 143 was ment to be played like any other 24 number bet waiting for 2 LL then bet or even 3 the strike rate is very good the most i seen is 7 thats not bad but not great but wins can be more then losses ,people here want to see if the wheel layout gets better results , i personally dont see the difference,but i will show you a METHOD WITHIN A METHOD, its what gizmo means buy reading random, it is using the wheel layout but using outside bets ,it will take sometime for the explanation it the bet within the bet that people can get confused so give me a day or so .
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:39 PM 2013
Ray is that betting every spin? a few years back i was testing a lot of methods within methods this is the only way you have a chance to beat the game,chris555 has the right idea ,by playing 2 methods ,but the second method has to be of a higher payout bet to make it profitable ,the 143 was ment to be played like any other 24 number bet waiting for 2 LL then bet or even 3 the strike rate is very good the most i seen is 7 that's not bad but not great but wins can be more then losses ,people here want to see if the wheel layout gets better results , i personally don't see the difference,but i will show you a METHOD WITHIN A METHOD, its what gizmo means buy reading random, it is using the wheel layout but using outside bets ,it will take sometime for the explanation it the bet within the bet that people can get confused so give me a day or so .
very interesting...
can't wait to see and try
QuoteRay is that betting every spin? a few years back i was testing a lot of methods within methods this is the only way you have a chance to beat the game,chris555 has the right idea ,by playing 2 methods ,but the second method has to be of a higher payout bet to make it profitable ,the 143 was ment to be played like any other 24 number bet waiting for 2 LL then bet or even 3 the strike rate is very good the most i seen is 7 that's not bad but not great but wins can be more then losses ,people here want to see if the wheel layout gets better results , i personally don't see the difference,but i will show you a METHOD WITHIN A METHOD, its what gizmo means buy reading random, it is using the wheel layout but using outside bets ,it will take sometime for the explanation it the bet within the bet that people can get confused so give me a day or so .
Yes, this was betting every spin. I'm currently testing playing on 2 table same time.
This should work in Casinos like Wiesbaden, because they have 4 Touchbet tables running.
Since the timings of these tables are quite the same. I will have a go.....
Cant wait to see Warriors parallel bet....
Ray
I also look forward to try Warrior's new method within a method
Go Warrior ;)
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:39 PM 2013
Ray is that betting every spin? a few years back i was testing a lot of methods within methods this is the only way you have a chance to beat the game,chris555 has the right idea ,by playing 2 methods ,but the second method has to be of a higher payout bet to make it profitable ,the 143 was ment to be played like any other 24 number bet waiting for 2 LL then bet or even 3 the strike rate is very good the most i seen is 7 that's not bad but not great but wins can be more then losses ,people here want to see if the wheel layout gets better results , i personally don't see the difference,but i will show you a METHOD WITHIN A METHOD, its what gizmo means buy reading random, it is using the wheel layout but using outside bets ,it will take sometime for the explanation it the bet within the bet that people can get confused so give me a day or so .
It's been a week warrior : )
Quote from: amk on Apr 11, 05:08 PM 2013
It's been a week warrior : )
Im tying to get the kinks out.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 11, 06:54 PM 2013
I'm tying to get the kinks out.
Ray Davis was always last to leave the party :thumbsup:
It's been another week warrior : )
Hows it going with those kinks warrior : )