Wheel based method
Bet only 6 numbers= one group= one angle
Each number from the roulette wheel have own 6 groups/ 6 angles, each group
have 6 numbers.
First group is the first 6 numbers right side from that(any) number so
group 1(G1), next 6 numbers after G1 is group 2 (G2), next 6 numbers
after G2 is group G3 ..and so on...always clockwise side (right side).
Ex: number 20 have
G1 - 14 31 9 22 18 29
G2 - 7 28 12 35 3 26
G3 - 0 32 15 19 4 21
G4 - 2 25 17 34 6 27
G5 - 13 36 11 30 8 23
G6 - 10 5 24 16 33 1
See excel file , each number have own 6 Gs.
How to play this method:
We look always for one G to not appear in the
(at least) the last 6 spins, and when appear once
(sign first trigger) still wait again to not hit(the same G) in
the next 4-6 spins(sign second trigger).
Now is time to bet in that G .
If the G appear in that 4-6 spins, bet that G right away.
Progresion on 6 numbers(for online casinos) , see word file.
Important:
We take the next 6 numbers(the G) to bet always from the
last number spun !
How to track:
Nr
23
12 is G3 from Nr. 23 (see excel file)
34 is G3 from nr. 12
4 is G6 from nr. 34
25 is G1 from nr. 4 ( always from the last number spun)
.
.
. now let s say G4 not hit in the last 6 spins or more spins,
than hit once, wait again to not hit G4 in the next 4-6 spins
and start to bet G4, remember take the G4 (the 6 numbers) to bet
next from the last number spun.
So we always change the next 6 numbers to bet, we don t bet the same
6 numbers, but we do bet the same G(same angle) taken from the last
number spun.
Only if the same number repeat(Ex. 12, 12) bet the previous 6 numbers,
so the same G.
Example how to play:
12
7 is G6 from 12 (see excel file NR. 12)
23 is G4 from NR. 7(see excel file at NR.7)
36 G6 from nr. 23
9 G3 from 36 and so on...
22 G1
3 G2 we have at least 6 spins and G5 not hit yet (still wait)
10 G4
24 G1
29 G2
0 G2
31 G5 trigger ( First trigger, still wait 4-6 not hits of G5)
20 G6
27 G4
7 G4
13 G3 Can start to bet G5 from NR 13 (see excel file)
36 G1 lose ,now bet G5 from NR. 36( see excel ...)
12 G4 lose , bet G5 from NR.12( see...)
33 G5 win , nr. 33 is G5 from NR.12 (see excel file)
If for example G5 hit in that 4-6 spins after the first trigger,
start to bet G5 right away.
Fin
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Hibrid methods :
A.
Also i use this way for bet 6 /12 numbers (one/ or two Gs):
If one G hit only twice in the last 12 spins,
start to bet that G ( see progression for 6 numbers).
If two Gs hit twice each one in the last 12 spins,
choose one and bet that one (6 numbers), or can bet both
groups (G s) so 12 numbers (see progression 12 numbers)
Always take the Gs to bet next, from the last number spun(see excel file).
............................................................................................
B.
Another way to play this G s (angles) ,but 18 numbers :
When three G s (any, ex: G1,G5,G6) hit in the last
3-4 spins(Ex: G1,G6,G5 or G6,G6, G5,G1 or G5,G1,G1,G6)
bet the others three Gs,
in this case G2,G3,G4 with only the firsts 4 steeps from:
Progression (for online casinos):
1. 0,10 x 18 -1,8 +1,8
2. 0,20 x 18 -5,4 +1,8
3. 0,50 x 18 -14,4 +3,6
4. 1 x 18 -32,4 +3,6 stop lose at -32,4
...........................................................................
5. 2 x 18 -68,4 +3,6
6. 4 x 18 -140,4 +3,6
7. 8 x 18 -284,4 +3,6 stop lose at -284,4
Always take the Gs to bet next, from the last number spun(see excel file).
Example live spins session :
13 start the track
11 G1 (from NR. 13, see excel file)
3 G4 (from 11)
16 G4 (.......)
31 G1
25 G3
11 G2 First trigger, wait
3 G4
6 G2 second trigger, bet for G2
5 G2 win
22 G2
6 G4
16 G2
36 G5 First trigger, wait
15 G5 second trigger , bet for G5
23 G3 lose
27 G6 lose
18 G3 lose
31 G6 lose
11 G5 win , keep tracking
19 G5
7 G5
32 G2 first trigger, wait
21 G1
16 G3
34 G5
1 G3 bet now for G2
35 G2 Win, now G3 is qualifyed
19 G1 lose
21 G1 lose
14 G4 lose
8 G5 lose
7 G3 win
4 G2 now G4 qualifyed
3 G5
16 G4 win
19 G4
2 G1
33 G3
6 G5
35 G4
36 G3 now G1 qualifyed
5 G1 win
cheers
session 2
25
4 G6
16 G3
17 G4
19 G6
0 G6
15 G1 first trigger,wait
17 G1 second trigger, bet G1
15 G6 L1
3 G6 L2
12 G6 L3
29 G2 L4
24 G5 L5
34 G5 L6
24 G2 L7
36 G5 L8
5 G1 win +4,8
32 G3 first trigger
16 G4
4 G4
23 G2
12 G3 second trigger , bet for G3
34 G3 win,bet G1 qualifyed now , +6 ( total = +10,8)
32 G5 L1
15 G1 win, wait triggers +4,8( T= 15,6)
22 G5 second trigger G5, bet G5
32 G2 L1
18 G5 win , G1 qualifyed +4,8( T= 20,4)
11 G4 L1
15 G5 L2
24 G3 L3
31 G1 win , wait triggers +2,4 ( T= 22,8)
32 G2 now G4 qualifyed
26 G6 L1
1 G4 win, wait triggers +4,8( T= 27,6)
28 G2 now G1 qualifyed
4 G2 L1
26 G6 L2
21 G1 win, wait triggers +3,6( T= 31,2)
1 G3
5 G6
4 G4
7 G5 now G1 On
8 G4 L1
3 G4 L2
22 G5 L3
35 G1 win , now G5 is On +2,4 ( T= 33,6)
31 G5 win, wait trigger +6 ( T= 39,6)
0 G2
5 G4
34 G5 now G1 On
33 G3 L1
6 G5 L2
21 G6 L3
28 G5 L4
26 G1 win, now G3 On +1,2 (T= 40,8)
12 G6 L1
33 G5 L2
26 G3 win , now G6 is On +3,6( T= 44,4)
34 G2 L1
3 G5 L2
32 G1 L3
34 G2 L4
35 G5 L5
12 G6 win , now G2 On +3( T= 47,4)
2 G2 win, wait triggers +6( T= 53,4)
33 G3 first trigger , wait
2 G4
24 G3 second trigger G3 On
32 G3 win, now G6 On +6( T= 59,4)
0 G6 win, wait +6( T= 65,4)
I forgot something important:
If any qualified G(group) have slept long time( more than 12-15 spins)
before hit once, and do not appear in the next 6 spins
after the first trigger, don t bet that group (G), could be a sleeper.
Ex:
.......12-15(or more) spins without G6, than appear once G6( first trigger),
wait and if don t hit again G6 in the next 6 spins, take /wait another G.
Cheers.
Thanx for this Katt :thumbsup:
Do you prefer it to your WBG Method, or not ?
Cheers
I don t prefer this or that , i always play various systems , i supose
you don t play always the same system.
Cheers.
Now is time for flat bet version of this method.
Bet G1 six times, W or L go to G2, and so on...
G3....G4...G5...G6....G1...G2...etc...round round.
Remember take the numbers to bet next , from the last
number spun(see excel file).
target around +100 (so can stop at +90)
stop-loss at -72
Flat bet
session 1
36 bet for G1
2 G5 L1 -6
31 G4 L2 -12
29 G1 w +18 bet for G2
36 G4 L1
29 G3 L2
28 G1 L3
25 G2 w +30 bet for G3
10 G2 L1
13 G6 L2
33 G2 L3
9 G1 L4
19 G3 w +36 bet for G4
17 G1 L1
16 G3 L2
24 G6 L3
25 G4 w +48 bet for G5
23 G2 L1
28 G3 L2
9 G6 L3
10 G5 w +60 bet for G6
3 G3 L1
2 G2 L2
16 G3 L3
28 G2 L4
29 G6 w +66 bet for G1
20 G6 L1
22 G1 w +90 bet for G2
20 G6 L1
3 G2 w +114
End session 1
session 2
0 bet G1
33 G4 L1
8 G6 L2
31 G2 L3
28 G1 w +12 bet G2
25 G2 w +42 bet G3
0 G5 L1
26 G6 L2
34 G2 L3
18 G4 L4
6 G3 w +48 bet G4
27 G1 L1
19 G5 L2
20 G4 w +66 bet G5
6 G4 L1
26 G5 w +90 bet G6
16 G4 L1
19 G4 L2
14 G4 L3
10 G5 L4
14 G2 L5
16 G6 w +90 twice bet G1
17 G4 L1
31 G3 L2
29 G1 w +108
end session 2
session 3
25 bet for G1
28 G5 L1
18 G6 L2
3 G1 w +18 bet for G2
16 G4 L1
6 G5 L2
11 G1 L3
15 G5 L4
24 G3 L5
27 G5 L6 -18 bet G3
31 G3 w +12 bet G4
15 G3 L1
34 G2 L2
32 G5 L3
24 G4 w +24 bet G5
13 G5 w +54 bet G6
18 G3 L1
27 G4 L2
17 G6 w +72 bet G1
2 G6 L1
10 G2 L2
31 G2 L3
3 G2 L4
1 G5 L5
35 G2 L6 +36 bet G2
23 G4 L1
36 G6 L2
33 G2 w +54 bet G3
16 G6 L1
33 G1 L2
8 G6 L3
34 G5 L4
9 G3 w +60 bet G4
18 G1 L1
24 G5 L2
1 G1 L3
17 G4 w +72 bet G5
35 G5 w +92
end session 3
I am testig now this method flat bet. (maybe will work , maybe not, will see).
by the way: using this round round way and the progression
for 6 numbers (see word file), I never lost the -500 (stop-loss),
in more than 6000 live spins . (also maybe this is just luck )
Cheers.
Thanks Kattila the flat betting version is so far impressive. Nice rollercouster.
Hermes
session 4
22 bet for G1
2 G3 L1
26 G5 L2
21 G1 w +18 bet G2
1 G3 L1
6 G4 L2
5 G2 w +36 bet G3
1 G1 L1
17 G4 L2
28 G4 L3
5 G4 L4
0 G3 w +42 bet G4
2 G1 L1
25 G1 L2
12 G5 L3
10 G4 w +54 bet G5
19 G4 L1
29 G5 w +78 bet G6
7 G1 L1
33 G5 L2
22 G1 L3
5 G5 L4
8 G6 w +84 bet G1
21 G5 L1
2 G1 w +108
End session 4
session 5
21 bet G1
12 G5 L1
20 G5 L2
19 G3 L3
16 G3 L4
30 G6 L5
9 G2 L6 -36 bet G2
19 G3 L1
24 G3 L2
26 G3 L3
31 G5 L4
10 G5 L5
0 G4 L6 -72 stop lose
End session 5 , lost session
There was some mistakes on excel file (on NR 4 and NR. 5)
Coreccted, see new excel file.
Similar strategy like Jack's Kennedy but no longer c/cc, only one way and both colors included in play. More dynamic, but secure stoploss must be established..
Hermes
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 24, 10:29 AM 2010
Session 5
21 bet G1
12 G5 L1
20 G5 L2
19 G3 L3
16 G3 L4
30 G6 L5
9 G2 L6 -36 bet G2
19 G3 L1
24 G3 L2
26 G3 L3
31 G5 L4
10 G5 L5
0 G4 L6 -72 stop-loss
End session 5 , lost session
This is an example what can occure when enter directly on real play with G1,
-72 in only a few spins,also can be +100 in only a few spins(20-30 spins).
So to avoid this loses i suggest (same as the WBG method) to start
first virtual play, when appear the G1 or G2 , they are triggers for the next G, so
if appear first G1 bet real for G2, if appear first G2 bet real for G3.
If lose the next 6 spins , -36 First Stop-lose.
Now start again virtual play and apply again same rules, G1 or G2 triggers.
If lost again -36, stop at final stop lose -72.
Example
21 virtual play
12 G5
20 G5
19 G3
16 G3
30 G6
9 G2 trigger , bet G3
19 G3 w +30 bet G4
24 G3 L1
26 G3 L2
31 G5 L3
10 G5 L4
0 G4 w +36 bet G5
26 G6 L1
34 G2 L2
18 G4 L3
6 G3 L4
27 G1 L5
19 G5 w +36 bet G6
20 G4 L1
6 G4 L2
26 G5 L3
16 G4 L4
19 G4 L5
14 G4 L6 0 bet G1
10 G5 L1
14 G2 L2
16 G6 L3
17 G4 L4
31 G3 L5
29 G1 w 0 bet G2
28 G1 L1
25 G2 w +24 bet G3
10 G2 L1
13 G6 L2
33 G2 L3
9 G1 L4
19 G3 w +30 bet G4
17 G1 L1
16 G3 L2
24 G6 L3
25 G4 w +42 bet for G5
23 G2 L1
28 G3 L2
9 G6 L3
10 G5 w +54 bet for G6
3 G3 L1
2 G2 L2
16 G3 L3
28 G2 L4
29 G6 w +60 bet for G1
20 G6 L1
22 G1 w +84 bet for G2
20 G6 L1
3 G2 w +108 end session
Flat Bet Sessions
Start first with virtual play,
when appear the G1 or G2 , they are triggers for the next G, so
if appear first G1 bet real for G2, if appear first G2 bet real for G3.
If lose the next 6 spins , -36 First Stop-lose.
Now start again virtual play and apply again same rules, G1 or G2 triggers.
If lost again -36, stop at final stop-loss -72 (-100).
Target around +100.
session 1
17 virtual play
7 g4
11 g4
4 g5
34 g1 trigger bet G2
28 g4 l1
28 l2
19 g2 w +18 bet g3
33 g4 l1
20 g1 l2
25 g4 l3
15 g6 l4
9 g5 l5
19 g3 w +18 bet g4
17 g1 l1
18 g4 w +42 bet g5
2 g3 l1
14 g4 l2
31 g1 l3
31 l4
27 g4 l5
9 g3 l6 +6 bet g6
10 g5 l1
23 g6 w +30 bet g1
9 g2 l1
17 g3 l2
4 g6 l3
18 g5 l4
8 g4 l5
5 g1 w +30 bet g2
27 g5 l1
0 g5 l2
25 g2 w +48 bet g3
31 g4 l1
15 g3 w +72 bet g4
8 g3 l1
11 g6 l2
3 g4 w +90 bet g5
1 g5 w +120
End session 1
.............................
session 2
31 virtual play until appear g1 or g2
3 g2 trigger bet g3
13 g3 w +30 bet g4
2 g6 l1
35 g5 l2
10 g4 w +48 bet g5
31 g2 l1
31 l2
1 g6 l3
17 g4 l4
24 g2 l5
14 g1 l6 +12 bet g6
3 g2 l1
3 l2
24 g4 l3
15 g4 l4
7 g5 l5
15 g2 l6 -24 bet g1
25 g1 w +6 bet g2
31 g4 l1
0 g2 w +30 bet g3
11 g3 w +60 bet g4
9 g3 l1
7 g1 l2
6 g3 l3
19 g5 l4
28 g5 l5
22 g6 l6 +24 bet g5
2 g3 l1
11 g2 l2
27 g6 l3
32 g5 w +36 bet g6
12 g6 w +66 bet g1
22 g6 l1
4 g3 l2
30 g2 l3
12 g3 l4
2 g2 l5
29 g4 l6 +30 bet g2
9 g6 l1
24 g5 l2
13 g5 l3
15 g5 l4
13 g2 w +36 bet g3
11 g1 l1
9 g3 w +60 bet g4
10 g5 l1
32 g4 w +84 bet g5
34 g2 l1
36 g1 l2
12 g4 l3
8 g4 l4
34 g5 w +90
End session 2
................................
session 3
12 virtual play
6 g3
21 g6
10 g3
0 g4
24 g4
2 g4
14 g4
34 g4
16 g2 trigger bet g3
29 g2 l1
8 g4 l2
36 g6 l3
14 g2 l4
12 g2 l5
30 g4 l6 -36 stop wait trigger (g1 or g2)
28 g3
0 g1 trigger bet g2
2 g1 l1
6 g1 l2
17 g6 l3
36 g1 l4
33 g2 w -30 bet g3
6 g5 l1
10 g2 l2
8 g6 l3
31 g2 l4
11 g5 l5
4 g5 l6 -66 bet g4
8 g2 l1 -72 Stop -lose
End session 3
.................................
session 4
1 virtual play
28 g2 trigger bet g3
25 g2 l1
2 g6 l2
5 g3 w +18 bet g4
11 g6 l1
16 g2 l2
1 g1 l3
5 g6 l4
28 g3 l5
9 g6 l6 -18 bet g5
10 g5 w +12 bet g6
31 g2 l1
7 g1 l2
34 g3 l3
17 g6 w +24 bet g1
26 g5 l1
17 g2 l2
14 g3 l3
22 g1 w +36 bet g2
27 g4 l1
33 g2 w +60 bet g3
7 g2 l1
22 g6 l2
10 g5 l3
25 g5 l4
1 g3 w +66 bet g4
23 g6 l1
31 g2 l2
15 g3 l3
14 g4 w +78 bet g5
26 g2 l1
13 g3 l2
8 g1 l3
27 g6 l4
30 g1 l5
26 g4 l6 +42 bet g6
4 g1 l1
18 g5 l2
3 g1 l3
16 g4 l4
9 g1 l5
7 g1 l6 +6 bet g1
16 g5 l1
20 g1 w +30 bet g2
0 g3 l1
5 g4 l2
7 g2 w +48 bet g3
18 g6 l1
15 g2 l2
33 g4 l3
31 g1 l4
25 g3 w +54 bet g4
30 g2 l1
9 g2 l2
15 g2 l3
30 g3 l4
10 g1 l5
13 g6 l6 +18 bet g5
16 g2 l1
27 g5 w +42 bet g6
22 g3 l1
13 g4 l2
27 g6 w +60 bet g1
9 g3 l1
7 g1 w +84
End session 4
.........................................
session 5
18 g6
7 g1 trigger bet g2
29 g6 l1
7 g1 l2
33 g5 l3
6 g5 l4
15 g5 l5
6 g2 w 0 bet g3
30 g1 l1
23 g1 l2
23 l3
2 g5 l4
6 g1 l5
24 g2 l6 -36 g2 trigger bet g3
22 g2 l1
34 g3 w -12 bet g4
34 l1
5 g2 l2
21 g4 w +6 bet g5
6 g1 l1
28 g4 l2
5 g4 l3
36 g6 l4
1 g2 l5
6 g4 l6 -30 bet g6
32 g5 l1
30 g3 l2
30 l3
29 g3 l4
18 g6 w -24 bet g1
24 g5 l1
25 g4 l2
33 g3 l3
11 g5 l4
21 g5 l5
26 g6 l6 - 60 bet g2
18 g5 l1
13 g4 l2 -72 stop-loss
End session 5
............................
session 6
30 virtual play
24 g1 trigger bet g2
14 g1 l1
8 g5 l2
5 g1 l3
7 g2 w +12 bet g3
0 g1 l1
35 g6 l2
5 g4 l3
18 g2 l4
22 g6 l5
13 g4 l6 -24 bet g4
0 g5 l1
24 g4 w 0 bet g5
31 g1 l1
24 g6 l2
8 g6 l3
11 g6 l4
16 g2 l5
15 g3 l6 -36 stop wait trigger
21 g1 trigger bet g2
11 g2 w -6 bet g3
35 g4 l1
16 g4 l2
1 g1 l3
29 g2 l4
20 g6 l5
33 g6 l6 -42 bet g4
23 g6 l1
26 g4 w +18 bet g5
15 g1 l1
35 g6 l2
17 g2 l3
26 g5 w +30 bet g6
32 g1 l1
8 g3 l2
25 g5 l3
6 g1 l4
26 g5 l5
12 g6 w +30 bet g1
22 g6 l1
31 g6 l2
30 g5 l3
3 g4 l4
29 g6 l5
27 g3 l6 -6 bet g2
11 g1 l1
32 g4 l2
4 g1 l3
15 g6 l4
8 g3 l5
21 g5 l6 -42 bet g3
5 g3 w -12 bet g4
23 g6 l1
18 g2 l2
14 g6 l3
10 g5 l4
17 g5 l5
29 g4 w -12 bet g5
18 g6 l1
22 g6 l2
7 g1 l3
4 g2 l4
16 g3 l5
23 g6 l6 -48 bet g6
30 g6 w -18 bet g1
36 g6 l1
32 g5 l2
18 g5 l3
19 g2 l4
31 g4 l5
9 g1 w +18 bet g2
1 g6 l1
8 g5 l2
12 g3 l3
18 g6 l4
23 g5 l5
2 g5 l6 -18 bet g3
4 g6 l1
32 g6 l2
25 g1 l3
9 g4 l4
1 g6 l5
3 g2 l6 -54 bet g4
17 g2 l1
20 g3 l2
4 g3 l3
7 g5 l4
11 g4 w -48 bet g5
20 g2 l1
34 g4 l2
0 g5 w -30 bet g6
9 g5 l1
30 g5 l2
13 g6 w -12 bet g1
31 g3 l1
34 g4 l2
15 g5 l3
17 g1 w 0 bet g2
10 g2 w +30 bet g3
4 g4 l1
17 g1 l2
9 g4 l3
23 g5 l4
29 g3 w +36 bet g4
5 g5 l1
0 g3 l2
19 g1 l3
1 g4 w +48 bet g5
8 g5 w +78 bet g6
6 g6 w +108
end session 6
The correct excel file is at reply 9.
6 sessions
4 win total = +402
2 lost total = -144
Total = +252
Very impressive Katt !
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 04, 07:37 AM 2010
Very impressive Katt !
That was only a few tests Paul, this need much more test ,you know that . ;)
lol very true Katt ! ;D
Katilla,
What are you, a systems generator?
They all look interesting, but can't keep up with testing.
Quote from: GLC on Oct 04, 11:15 AM 2010
Katilla,
What are you, a systems generator?
They all look interesting, but can't keep up with testing.
Yes George i am like you a *systems generator*,
there is nothing wrong with that, right? Ha,Ha,Ha... ;D
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 03:57 PM 2010
Yes George I am like you a *systems generator*,
there is nothing wrong with that, right? Ha,Ha,Ha... ;D
Keep 'em coming.
It let's everybody pick the one they like the best and do some testing to see how it performs.
Thanks,
George
Another flat bet session ,same rules:
Start first with virtual play,
when appear the G1 or G2 , they are triggers for the next G, so
if appear first G1 bet real for G2, if appear first G2 bet real for G3.
If lose the next 6 spins , -36 First Stop-lose.
Now start again virtual play and apply again same rules, G1 or G2 triggers.
If lost again -36, stop at final stop-loss -72 (-100).
Target around +100.
Remember take always the G to bet from the last number spun.
At reply 9, see the excel file (G s for all 37 numbers).
7
30 g4
6 g6
17 g6
28 g4
36 g3
30 g1 trigger bet for g2
13 g6 l1
1 g2 win +24 , bet for g3
2 g4 l1
14 g4 l2
7 g1 l3
25 g3 w +36 bet for g4
4 g6 l1
24 g3 l2
9 g2 l3
26 g2 l4
0 g1 l5
29 g5 l6 0 wait g1 or g2
13 g4
25 g6
15 g6
31 g4
10 g5
19 g4
9 g4
26 g2 trigger bet g3
5 g4 l1
33 g1 l2
17 g4 l3
13 g1 l4
33 g2 l5
15 g3 w 0 bet g4
26 g6 l1
24 g4 w +24 bet g5
34 g5 w +54 bet g6
12 g4 l1
9 g6 w +78 bet g1
19 g3 l1
9 g4 l2
5 g5 l3
10 g6 l4
22 g2 l5
7 g1 w +78 bet g2
9 g6 l1
35 g2 w +92
end session
........................................................
Now another way to play flat bet,
but this time 18 numbers ( 3Gs).
Wait until 3 any different Gs ( Ex: G3,G5,G1)
hit in the last 6 spins ( Ex: G3,G5,G5,G1,G3,G5, or G5,G1,G1,G1,G3,G5..etc..)
now bet flat bet the others 3 Gs remained, until +36 target or -54 stop-loss,
than wait again 3 different Gs in the last 6 spins and bet the 3 Gs remained.....
Also can bet flat bet until +18 / or -36, Or +18 / -54.
This flat bet ideas(18 numbers) are from one of my friends , and he report very good results
until now. Thanks Spens X (from other forum).
I have played this way (3Gs, 6 spins) than bet the others 3Gs,
but with progression (only the first 4-5 steeps) :
Progression (for online casinos):
1. 0,10 x 18 -1,8 +1,8
2. 0,20 x 18 -5,4 +1,8
3. 0,50 x 18 -14,4 +3,6
4. 1 x 18 -32,4 +3,6 stop-loss at -32,4
...........................................................................
5. 2 x 18 -68,4 +3,6
6. 4 x 18 -140,4 +3,6
7. 8 x 18 -284,4 +3,6 stop-loss at -284,4
Cheers.
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 19, 11:05 AM 2010
Another flat bet session ,same rules:
Start first with virtual play,
when appear the G1 or G2 , they are triggers for the next G, so
if appear first G1 bet real for G2, if appear first G2 bet real for G3.
If lose the next 6 spins , -36 First Stop-lose.
Now start again virtual play and apply again same rules, G1 or G2 triggers.
If lost again -36, stop at final stop-loss -72 (-100).
Target around +100.
Remember take always the G to bet from the last number spun.
At reply 9, see the excel file (G s for all 37 numbers).
Test1
Casino Spielbank Wiesbaden 19.10.2010; Table 8
|
Spin
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
| Number
32
19
24
0
22
30
4
11
11
33
16
29
19
9
16
13
20
8
28
29
1
17
5
29
35
5
24
30
21
14
36
10
16
17
19
20
16
35
5
1
27
16
25
31
6
18
5
11
| Group/Angle
G1
G3
G3
G5
G4
G5
G2
0
G2
G6
G2
G2
G4
G6
G5
G2
G5
G3
G6
G5
G4
G2
G2
G1
G4
G1
G6
G5
G4
G5
G1
G1
G4
G6
G4
G6
G3
G4
G1
G5
G2
G4
G4
G4
G4
G5
G6
| Trigger/Bet
trig
g2
g2
g2
g2
g2
g2
g3
g3
g3
g3
g3
g3
trig
g3
g3
g4
g4
g4
g5
g5
g5
g5
g5
g5
trig
g2
g2
g2
g2
g2
g2
trig
g2
g2
g3
g3
g3
g3
g3
g3
| win/loss
l
l
l
l
l
w
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
w
l
l
w
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
l
w
l
l
l
l
l
l
| profit
-6
-12
-18
-24
-30
0
-36
-12
6
-30
-66
-42
-78
|
End Session
Am i doing it by the rulles?
::)
This movement tracking, I think, it's a very inteligent approach to roulette. Just in a very early stage, although.
Would like you to consider this thought Kattila:
the repeat number. what movement the landing of the little white ball performs?
0 movement?
There are other 6 movements or angles:
(37*37) combinations
intervals
n+6 G1
n+12 G2
n+18 G3
n-6 G6
n-12 G5
n-18 G4
so the zero movement represents at this system the same house advantage as zero on roulette
37/37*37=2.7% +-
==========================================
For consideration only:
what about consider the repeat number n=0 like one of the movements?
Suggestion:
if last G is G4 or G5, the repeat is considered -G6
if last G is G2 or G3, the repeat is considered -G1
else
if last G is G1, the repeat is considered -G1
if last G is G6, the repeat is considered -G6
this favours neighbour betting of course.
I take the above in consideration when the repeat strikes when I am in bet/attack mode,
obviously costing me one more chip.
Just sharing this BrainStorm for the sake of evolution of this aproach
thanks 4 your patiente
What you think?
Yes it is ok ,only one thing....
Is better wait one virtual win than start to bet.
Example:
7
30 g4
6 g6
17 g6
28 g4
36 g3
30 g1 trigger bet for g2
13 g6 l1
1 g2 win Trigger bet G3
2 g4 l1
14 g4 l2
7 g1 l3
25 g3 w +30 bet for g4
4 g6 l1
24 g3 l2
9 g2 l3
26 g2 l4
....................................
Yes Ok, we have to find the best way and triggers to play this angles,
so any idea welcome...
found one trigger.
on 10000 real spins the pattern repeat 5 times same movement only came once
like
g1
g1
g1
g1
g1
For those who prefer inside bets/movements, this is an update for this method.
Still working/playing on this one, this movements seems to hit various times in the last
around 12-18 spins.
If test/play this one will notice you can win flat bet most of the time
after trigger Ex. G1G1...G1( so two or three same G in the last 9-12spins)
bet 6 times that G. At the same time better bet only two Gs( movements/events).
If use progression , use this one 111111/222222/333333/444444
and if lose twice -36 go to next level and stay there until in plus(or hit your stop lose),
but if in that next level lost twice go to next level....so on...
cheers
More .... ball movements and flat bet .....
As you know I studied this a lot...
i still play flat bet the katt way with very positive results.
i bet the most hot movement from last 12 spins.
maximum of two also and I do not repeat the same hot as the previous 12 window.
just that I have to take note of the dealer change but that is optional.
glad to see you are still into this, as this one is one of my fetish systems
*For those who may have difficult in tracking the ball movement i attach a table with the movements.
Cheers,
AL
*i still play flat bet the katt way with very positive results* :thumbsup:
And thanks for the table.
Thanks Katt,
Very fresh thinking lots of time and effort gone into this. Are the results all live dealer or were any airball machine?
Thanks
Jay
Hi Jay,
the results all live dealer and also from airball .
Stop lose can be around -150 units (and of course will hit sometimes )
but i am sure will recover in the next xx... spins.
Hi Alberto,
when you say you play the hottest G maximum two- do you mean for two spins or do you mean two Gs?
For how many spins do you play the groups, and does this change when playing two instead of one?
How much is BR and how many times has it gone?
Lastly, thank you for the table. Without sounding too stupid- how do you apply it?
Thanks in advance,
Woods
Hi Kattila
i really difficult when try to following your system. This is the live result from casinosbo.com today, table 19
29 start track
32 g2
9 g5
26 g2
0 g1
26 g6
32 g1 - g3&g4 not hit
7 g5
24 g5
30 g6
10 g1
8 g6
10 g1
17 g5
18 g4
25 g3 Trigger 1
25 ------> g?
2
7
20
29
2
5
32
11
5
16
24
24
6
6
17
6
1
23
0
25
24
10
36
20
10
12
30
2
9
15
19
15
4
11
25
22
24
36
6
19
35
1
30
5
15
21
1
18
8
34
0
28
29
29
30
7
19
4
3
6
16
7
29
11
22
11
16
18
18
Please, give me the light. Thnk's
Regard,
akuuka
Hi Kattila
I like this. I would like to ask the following.
What if you work with the groups in the direction of ball spin. CW / CCw.
Add the last number to group 1. This might help with repeats.
With this I would like to see a dealer spinning groups in sequence G1 - G2 - G3 ... In the ball direction.
Cold and hot areas will be more clear. Even history for a dealer can be charted.
Cheers
TCD
Quote from: akuuka on Jul 06, 01:31 AM 2011
Hi Kattila
i really difficult when try to following your system. This is the live result from casinosbo.com today, table 19
29 start track
32 g2
9 g5
26 g2
0 g1
26 g6
32 g1 - g3&g4 not hit
7 g5
24 g5
30 g6
10 g1
8 g6
10 g1
17 g5
18 g4
25 g3 Trigger 1
25 ------> g?
2
7
20
29
2
5
32
11
5
16
24
24
6
6
17
6
1
23
0
25
24
10
36
20
10
12
30
2
9
15
19
15
4
11
25
22
24
36
6
19
35
1
30
5
15
21
1
18
8
34
0
28
29
29
30
7
19
4
3
6
16
7
29
11
22
11
16
18
18
Please, give me the light. Thnk's
Regard,
akuuka
Hi Akuuka,
that way is the old one, there is an update in how to play
this. You have to bet on the hot movements(Gs) not round and round .
Please see excel file G1, excel file G2 and excel file Gmov.
Bet maximum on two Gs at the same time.
now your example:
29 start track
32 g2
9 g5
26 g2 G2 hot, bet G2
0 g1 L1 G2
26 g6 L2
32 g1 L3
7 g5 L4
24 g5 L5 also G5 hot
30 g6 L6 -36 L1 G5 now hot G6
10 g1 L2 L1 G6
8 g6 L3 W +24
10 g1 L4 now hot G1
17 g5 W +6 and so on....
18 g4
25 g3
25 movement 0(if bet you bet same numbers like before)
2
7
20
29
2
5
32
11
5
16
24
24
6
6
17
Another way to play this is, same triggers but stay on the winner G until lost -36,
so after win on ex. G6 stay on G6 until -36, then move/take next hot G and do the same.
Again, bet on maximum two hot Gs(movements), so 12 numbers.
I will give more detailes/examples about this another day.
cheers
Quote from: Twocando on Jul 06, 02:19 AM 2011
Hi Kattila
I like this. I would like to ask the following.
What if you work with the groups in the direction of ball spin. CW / CCw.
Add the last number to group 1. This might help with repeats.
With this I would like to see a dealer spinning groups in sequence G1 - G2 - G3 ... In the ball direction.
Cold and hot areas will be more clear. Even history for a dealer can be charted.
Cheers
TCD
Interesting Twocando , can you please give an example , elaborate please.
I know you play someting similar to this method :thumbsup:
thanks
Now this system is coded (flat bet version see excel files G1, G2, Gmov how to play)
and failed in the long run. I runed a large test around 100 000 spins and was down
around -10 000. But in some tests was up even after 10 000 spins(or 20 000 se next post)
This method with a good MM plan (and stop-loss at -150) still not bad ( my opinion)
see attach file(tests)
cheers
Another one (test)
Hello Kat!
I was reading over and over the first post of this topic,but I still don't understand one thing...
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 08, 07:30 PM 2010
12
7 is G6 from 12 (see excel file NR. 12)
23 is G4 from NR. 7(see excel file at NR.7)
36 G6 from nr. 23
...
Why "7" is from the Nr. 12 ? Not Nr. 13,for example?
I spent nearly 2 hours and half to understand - WHY? But failed lol
Explain please.
I fidn this system very hard to play,maybe makes profits,but very hard to calculated the next bets.
Cheers
MaxB,
You have to understand we bet for an event/movement no matter what numbers are
inside that movement(G). Movement from the last number spun.
This is how we track:
12
7 is G6 from 12 (see excel file NR. 12)
23 is G4 from NR. 7(see excel file at NR.7)
36 G6 from nr. 23
Why 7 from 12 ? because if you look at the excel file Angles 6 nr. at number 12, you will find
the number 7 at G6 (6th movement or angle).
Then if you look again(always) at that excel file at number 7, will find the number 23 at G4
so 4th movement.
Then if you look .........................................at number 23, will find number 36 at G6
so 6th movement.
So on.............
This is how we bet :
-when is time to bet because you have a hot G (movement) take the numbers to
bet from the last number spun, always. So if for example we bet for G5 because is hot
we take the G5 from the last number spun(from same excel file), so each time will bet on different numbers, exception is when hit again same number.
Ok now ?
cheers
Hi! Heh, it took a while also before I get it when was playing it, nice system :)
Timo
Oh God,thanks.
I couldn't get what Nr. we should choose. Now I understand it( at least I believe I understand it),I'll give it a try tomorrow. And will write back with the results :)
By the way,is it possible to play this system with BV NZ roulette? The absence of "0" won't ruin the whole structure?
Cheers
P.S.
I wish Ophis could make some kind of program that will calculate next bets it self,so we'll not have to do it manually ;)
First test was succesful. It was short,but...eh,turned to be profitable.
Results from BV NZ roulette:
27
20 G3
9 G1
4 G3
22 G4
32 G3
31 G5
32 G2
33 G4
13 G5
16 G2
30 G6 (1st. TRIGGER)
5 G1
26 G3
5 G4
1 G1 (2nd. TRIGGER,starting betting on 23 10 5 24 16 33)
26 G3 L (moved bets to the numbers: 29 7 28 12 35 3)
3 G6 W +24
Kat,please tell me if I am doing everything right,and if I am wrong - correct me,point on my mistakes.
Cheers
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 15, 06:52 PM 2011
First test was succesful. It was short,but...eh,turned to be profitable.
Results from BV NZ roulette:
27
20 G3
9 G1
4 G3
22 G4
32 G3
31 G5
32 G2
33 G4
13 G5
16 G2
30 G6 (1st. TRIGGER)
5 G1
26 G3
5 G4
1 G1 (2nd. TRIGGER,starting betting on 23 10 5 24 16 33)
26 G3 L (moved bets to the numbers: 29 7 28 12 35 3)
3 G6 W +24
Kat,please tell me if I am doing everything right,and if I am wrong - correct me,point on my mistakes.
Cheers
Hi MaximB,
First you didn t noticed some updates on this method.
Second this is only for real roulette ( land-based and online live) not RNG
because this method is based on dealer signature(distances, pockets,movements).
Flat bet version(s) is :
1. take one hot G/movement and bet 6 times, L or W take new hot G and bet again 6 times...
2. take one or two hot Gs and bet 6 times, L or W take new one or two Gs and bet 6 times...
can see examples how to play on the excel files G1 , G2 and Gmov(replys 27, 28,32)
Version with progression...take one hot G ( hit at least 3 times ) and bet/use that progression
i have posted in the first post( or your own progression)
Now if i take your example and play flat bet (2.):
27
20 G3
9 G1
4 G3 trigger (twice G3 Hot)
22 G4 L1
32 G3 W
31 G5
32 G2
33 G4 trigger G4
13 G5 trigger G5 L1 G4
16 G2 L1 G5 L2 G4
30 G6 L2 G5 L3 G4
5 G1 L3 G5 L4 G4
26 G3 L4 G5 L5 G4
5 G4 L5 G5 w G4
1 G1 L6 G5 trigger G1
26 G3 L1 G1 trigger G3
3 G6 L2 G1 L1 G3
...so on....you can play two hot Gs or only one , and
also after trigger can wait a few virtual Ls then bet 6 times.
Make your own way to play this method because is not 100% mechanical.
cheers
Another session,William Hill Euro.Roulette.
Was playing without any Virtual Bets and Hot G's. (haven't understood what hot G should I bet,from which Nr.)
Anyway:
28
29 G6
7 G1
35 G1
21 G2
35 G5
10 G4
13 G6
4 G5
12 G5
33 G5
8 G6
36 G6
6 G6
2 G6
32 G6
10 G3 (1st. TRIGGER,waiting G3 IF IT WILL HIT IN THE NEXT 3 SPINS)
15 G4
18 G5
2 G3 (NO BET)
19 G6
7 G5
33 G5
11 G5
18 G3
4 G2
30 G2
10 G1 (1st. TRIGGER)
6 G5 (G5 APPEARED IN LESS THAN 4-6 SPINS, NO BET)
11 G1 (1st. TRIGGER)
22 G3
32 G2
2 G1
22 G4
14 G6 (2nd. TRIGGER,BET ON 5 24 16 33 1 20)
8 G5 LOST (MOVING BETS TO 6 27 13 36 11 30)
15 G4 LOST (MOVING BETS TO 12 35 3 26 0 32)
35 G6 WIN +17
END SESSION.
oh...forget aboout this.
But,eh...seems like your system works on RNG either :)
Question: As I've understood now we're making bets on,so called "Hot G's"? But what hot G's? That appeared twice in the last 10 spins,in the last 5 spins?
And it maybe be played only on the Live Wheel?
Cheers
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 16, 07:02 AM 2011
Question: As I've understood now we're making bets on,so called "Hot G's"? But what hot G's? That appeared twice in the last 10 spins,in the last 5 spins?
And it maybe be played only on the Live Wheel?
Cheers
Yes Hot movements (Gs), trigger is when hit two or three same G in the last
9-12 spins. Told you to look at that excel files.
Can be played online-live, airball, land casino, and you will need the Angles 6 nr. printed,
and that table posted by member Albertojonas at reply 29.
more mixed results(graphs) , flat bet
Hey,
tried the system on the real wheel in the Dublin.net casino. Well,had like 3 sessions and all 3 were losing. Don't know why...I guess was doing something wrong,plus there's not enough time for me to define the next bets.
That's the way I played:
35
19 G1
22 G5
16 G5 (TRIGGER?,anyway started to bet)
8 G6 L
13 G2 L
31 G1 (ANOTHER TRIGGER,after which I stopped betting on G5,and started to bet on G1) L
19 G3 L
0 G6 (TRIGGER? Cutted betting on G1,instead started to bet on G6,because in the last 9 spins it showed up twice)
15 G1 (TRIGGER AGAIN of G1?)
34 G2 (another TRIGGER?)
35 G5 L
...
And stopped playing,because understood it's kind of senseless - changing trigger every single time after the new result of spin comes up. I read your excel file,but couldn't understand since which previous result we start to look for the G that was hitted twice?
I know,I'll make you mad soon with my question,but your system looks very interesting and promising.
Playing with the first type of 6 groups/6 angles on the RNG roulette in online casino - was better,in the plan of winnings :(
Ofcourse,would try again.
Cheers
35
19 G1
22 G5
16 G5 trigger
8 G6 L1 g5
13 G2 L2 g5
31 G1 L3 g5 trigger G1
19 G3 L4 g5 L1 g1
0 G6 L5 g5 L2 g1 trigger G6 wait
15 G1 L6 g5 W g1
34 G2 trigger g2 now start to bet on G6
35 G5 L1 g2 L1 g6
.........
And if you bet using progression , first hot G is G5 twice you win when hit number 35.
Most of the time after two same G will hit another one in the next 6 spins or more spins.
Okay,thanks. So I'll be betting on the same G till the win/stop-loss point with the progression?
And how much G's at the same time we can bet?
That from above was flat betting.
If use progression yes stay on the same hot G until win or hit stop lose.
And when play with progression can bet only one G.