As many of you know, a couple of years ago my daughter had open heart surgery to repair a badly damaged mitrol valve. Things didn't go so well at first, but some complications got dealt with pretty quickly and she recovered nicely and is doing great today.
Either my wife or myself stayed with our daughter at the hospital for 7 days while she recovered enough to be sent home. Her main nurse was a young man named Michael. At first we were skeptical about a male nurse because Grace wasn't very comfortable around males. But Michael turned out to be one of the most caring, competent medical workers I've ever known.
We spent a fair amount of time discussing and sharing each others lives and I mentioned that I was a member of this forum. He immediately lit up and wanted to know how we were approaching the task of developing systems to beat the wheel. He said that he had never played roulette, but was an avid trader in stocks. He indicated that he was going to explore the game in his spare time and that was the end of it.
Until yesterday, when I met his at a local Whataburger store. I didn't recognize him, but he spotted me and came over and asked if he could sit and talk a little while we ate. I was glad for his company and agreed. We immediately began talking about roulette.
He said that he was applying a method in trading to roulette and was having pretty good success with it. It's actually very simple and is based on a certain trading model that he adapted to the movements of the even chances. It's a flatbet system, so seems pretty safe to me although I admit that I haven't tested it yet.
It's based on a certain pattern.
I will explain it using Red and Black.
R R R B R R R
R R R B B R R R
The Red Rs are where we bet.
If we win the bet on the 1st R, we bet for the 2nd R.
If we lose the first R, we don't bet for the 2nd R.
There are plenty of betting opportunities because we can play all 6 of the even chance locations.
It's based on trends, of course. The idea is that if a trend is moving in a direction and it reverses but not as far as the beginning of the initial direction and then it reverses again, it will continue in that direction which is the same direction as the original.
In my examples I used a beginning trigger of 3 of a kind. This can be 4 of a kind, 5 of a kind etc... All that is necessary if that when it reverses, the reversal must not be as many as the initial trigger. After the 2nd reversal, we start betting for it to continue in the same direction as the initial trigger was going.
Examples: R R R R R B B B R this is a valid betting opportunity. We should bet for the R's to continue. We had 5 R's setting the initial trigger, then a reversal of 3 B's (this could have been as many as 4 B's) and finally another reversal with the R triggering the trend to continue according to the initial trigger.
B B B B R R R R B this isn't a trigger because the 4 R's equaled the 4 B's. If it continued like this: B B B B R R R R B B B R now we have a bet trigger because we have R R R R B B B R.
Does this work? Evidentally it can work. At least for him. No doubt there's luck involved.
If you don't have a little luck, you can't win with any system.
Test it before you risk any real money. Since it's a flatbet system, it shouldn't take much of a buy-in to give you a reasonable shot at winning.
GLC
GLC
Much like the Boffins Bet. I like it.
Thanks
Sam
Nicely posted George. :thumbsup:
So after trigger we bet only twice? (or once, if first bet lose)
Looks like:-
Established trigger then bet.......
If win bet again.
(maximum 2bets per trigger)
If lose stop and retrack for next trigger.
No progression....just flat bet.
(my interpretation of it)
If we win the bet on the 1st R, we bet for the 2nd R.
Yes, George, do we let it ride or bet the same amount twice?
Sam
Thanks George !
Your posted is always worthy to try O0
Best wishes for your daughter !
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 25, 08:11 AM 2013
If we win the bet on the 1st R, we bet for the 2nd R.
Yes, George, do we let it ride or bet the same amount twice?
Sam
No let-it-ride. Always bet the same amount.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 25, 05:24 AM 2013
Looks like:-
Established trigger then bet.......
If win bet again.
(maximum 2bets per trigger)
If lose stop and retrack for next trigger.
No progression....just flat bet.
(my interpretation of it)
Exactly!
Also, what I posted is about all I know. If we feel that we can improve it, that's up to us. It's not my system, just passing on what he told me. He's not any more knowledgeable about roulette than we are. He thinks he's hot stuff because he's betting $20 units.
GLC
Aren't your 2 last replays contradictory? (Check Chrisbis replay again!)
Quote from: marivo on Mar 25, 11:39 AM 2013
Aren't your 2 last replays contradictory? (Check Chrisbis replay again!)
The purpose of the 2nd bet is to catch 2 wins.
We have to remember that this system is based on buying stocks. So when the stock heads up and then reverses and then reverses again we're expecting the stock to continue upwards long enough to get some wins. That's why the double bet if the 1st one is a win.
There's nothing saying that we can't change this logic. We can bet the 1st bet and if it wins, that ends our betting until another trigger.
If the 1st bet loses, then we can try again in case there was a little chatter in the change of direction.
This is a little like the interrupt idea we talked about on one of Catalyst's topics. Where we're betting for a trend to continue and if there's an interrupt spin, we ignore it and continue to bet for a continuation as if the interrupt hadn't happened.
Like I said, we can tweak this however makes the most sense to us. Or we can say that it's based on total VooDoo and if it works at all, it's in spite of and not because of the reasons for the development of the system.
I'm just the messenger. Don't kill the messenger. :girl_to:
I'm posting this, not endorsing this. Although Michael seems like a pretty level-headed guy.
GLC
I think your friend is failing to realise that trends happen in the stock market for a reason. This reason doesnt exist in roulette.
MM
............and if things keep on they way they're keepin' on, look for markets to tank big time.
Lord, I hope I'm wrong!!
:(
Quote from: GLC on Mar 25, 12:37 PM 2013
The purpose of the 2nd bet is to catch 2 wins.
Sorry, I missunderstood TCS question about let-it-ride, so your previous replays weren't contradictory as I first thought. Thanks for more explanation!
Quote from: mattymattz on Mar 25, 01:52 PM 2013
I think your friend is failing to realise that trends happen in the stock market for a reason. This reason doesn't exist in roulette.
MM
Matty, I asked him that exact question and he said that he had observed that even in roulette, when a trend starts, then has a reversal, and then resumes the original trend, it often continues for up to 3 spins. So, if you have a streak of 4 Reds and then 2 or 3 blacks and then another Red, you can expect at least 1 more Red and usually 2 more Reds. If you get 2 more Reds, that's 3 Reds and it could be the beginning of another trigger.
We have to be on our toes because if we get RRRRBBBRB; This is another trigger to bet B.
I know this is getting a little complicated and it might not have to be but I've tested this a couple of times using my flat bet parlay. I only bet 1 time for each trigger. I always start out with 1 unit and if I win I let-it-ride on the next trigger. It does seem to get plenty of streaks of wins to recover previous losses without digging to deep in the hole. I've only scratched the surface testing this, so it really means nothing at this stage of the game.
It's pretty difficult to test this, so a definite verdict on it's profitability is probably not in the offing. You'll probably have to decide for yourself if you want to risk playing this system for money. I'd start small and if you do win, you can increase bet sizes to match your confidence in the system.
GLC
"It's pretty difficult to test this", said George, doing his best Clooney impersonation.
Taint neither, George. Stef and Nick could program this puppy into their Excelbot in an hour and be up and running.
Sam
Quote from: GLC on Mar 25, 10:13 AM 2013
Exactly!
Also, what I posted is about all I know. If we feel that we can improve it, that's up to us. It's not my system, just passing on what he told me. He's not any more knowledgeable about roulette than we are. He thinks he's hot stuff because he's betting $20 units.
GLC
Hopefully I can explain this better, and not cause chaos.
Instead of predetermining pattern use the sessions result to give you the pattern. Did that make sense?
I will explain:
If you play this right, It's one of the best systems out there. Yes, luck is involved. It's also how much tolerance you have when you lose.
I have done something similar in a different fashion.
I have set a mechanism to do this. e.g I will take number 7, you can pick any number you want. I have picked 7 for 2 reasons.
reason
1). It's allows for enough spins to sit out on live roulette online and not be kicked out. It. can also be played on RNG or Air ball. (if you get sites where you get free spins, I would increase this number to get a better statistics.
2) it's an odd number. To make a run I have used even numbers. At the end of any predetermined even number, I close that run.
For explanation purposes, I have used 3.
Here we go:
Spin Result Triger
1 Red NT
2 Black NT
3 Red NT
4 Red NT
5 Black NT
6 Black NT
7 Red NT
Here is the part, its hard to keep track of but if you can it's going to be a winner.
8. Black Go back 3 spins and take the pattern
We have BLACK RED BLACK we don't have that pattern. we don't bet.
9. Red We go back 3 spins we get pattern
Red, Black Red.
We find this pattern right at the start spin 1,2,3.
What do we bet. We bet the result of spin 4.
if we win bingo we don't care we carry on. We all like that result.
However if we lose, what do we bet on the next trigger.
I am attaching a system called Full-trio. IF you all have heard about it well and good. If you haven't read this system practice it and enjoy the ATM.
Full trio is based on betting same bet's. We will be changing our bets based on trigger we get. But use the full-trio method for betting.
Now, for those of you that don't like EC bets and want to bet straight numbers here is what I have to offer you:
Track your number's from spin 1.. keep tracking as you playing. I will make this short...
Spin Result
1 23
2 5
3 17
4 23
5 24
6 34
7 10
8 5
Ok. Follow me with this. I am hoping I don't lose you all.
23 -> 5. Ok.
5 -> 17.
17 -> 23. (Don't Don't use only 8 spins. Make sure you have enough bankroll to play something so u don't get kicked out waiting for like 50-60 spins has been my optimum for this..
Now we saw 23 somewhere? Right, spin 1. What was the result of spin 2. Bet 5 plus any number of neighbors on each side. If you have 23, following 2 different numbers, Identify the number's and see if they are neighbors. If they are that is your trigger. If they are not. If you have the bankroll and willing to risk the investment, bet the 2 numbers with 1 neighbor on each side only. that is the 2 number's are way away from the wheel. If they are neighbors increase the neighbors you play.
Use your judgement with progression.
Good Luck and enjoy this. Once again, Don't get greedy and it's a cash cow.
Quote from: Azim on Mar 27, 02:11 AM 2013
I have set a mechanism to do this. e.g I will take number 7, you can pick any number you want. I have picked 7 for 2 reasons.
reason
1). It's allows for enough spins to sit out on live roulette online and not be kicked out. It. can also be played on RNG or Air ball. (if you get sites where you get free spins, I would increase this number to get a better statistics.
2) it's an odd number. To make a run I have used even numbers. At the end of any predetermined even number, I close that run.
Reason #1 is clear but I don't understand reason #2. Can you clarify?
Azim,
Thanks for your post. It's soooo different from my post that it should probably be a completely separate Topic. I don't mind leaving it here, but it might not get the interest it deserves buried in this topic.
I do like your method of bet selection and as everyone here knows, Full TrioPlay is one of my favorite bet progressions.
I like your confidence in your system but can you please give us some test results to back up your "cash cow" claim? It'll encourage more members to look at your system.
Cheers,
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Mar 27, 10:18 AM 2013
Reason #1 is clear but I don't understand reason #2. Can you clarify?
It's just a preference. I normally pick trends like this one , with odd numbers. 7 was just an example. You can use any you want.
Azim,
Thanks for your post. It's soooo different from my post that it should probably be a completely separate Topic. I don't mind leaving it here, but it might not get the interest it deserves buried in this topic.
I don't care if you want to start a new topic.
I do like your method of bet selection and as everyone here knows, Full TrioPlay is one of my favorite bet progressions.
After having read about Full-Trio play, I have been using it a lot. You can even play Baccarat with it. It's an awesome progression system for even money.
I like your confidence in your system but can you please give us some test results to back up your "cash cow" claim? It'll encourage more members to look at your system.
I don't have stats for individual systems. I have just been reading on them. If I like it, I try and incorporate it with other systems and make adjustments here and there.
Cheers,
GLC
Azim,
I have tried ur bet selection method for 2 days and it showed positive results, even with flat bet. yeh, its hard to keep track of but if you can it's going to be a winner. Tmr, i will play with real money at my hometown casino :thumbsup:
Quote from: daniellee on Mar 29, 05:56 PM 2013
Azim,
I have tried your bet selection method for 2 days and it showed positive results, even with flat bet. yeh, its hard to keep track of but if you can it's going to be a winner. Tmr, i will play with real money at my hometown casino :thumbsup:
Thanks. I know they both have positive results. Which one have you been playing, inside numbers or even chance?
Even chance and i only used 3 as a pattern. Today, i have just won 100$ for around 3 hours with 10$ for 1 unit bet. Hope that it is not just luck !
Quote from: daniellee on Mar 30, 04:40 AM 2013
Even chance and i only used 3 as a pattern. Today, i have just won 100$ for around 3 hours with 10$ for 1 unit bet. Hope that it is not just luck !
Nice.
What are we doing with a dealer change?
Do we keep the same pattern track or do we start a new tracking?
With 7 positions we will need some time to find the same pattern again.
A re-start of the tracking at dealer change is very hard.
Quote from: Interstate89 on Mar 30, 11:25 AM 2013
What are we doing with a dealer change?
Do we keep the same pattern track or do we start a new tracking?
With 7 positions we will need some time to find the same pattern again.
A re-start of the tracking at dealer change is very hard.
No need to worry about dealer changes. What you doing with this system is you are catching the flow of the ball. Never bet against the ball. Follow the ball where it's going. Hence the run's of 12 red, 12 blacks. You see people bet for the opposite to come and they lose. If you playing even chance and catch the first pattern win, your second pattern will be right away, so will your third and so on... If you lucky to catch the right pattern, in 10 or 12 consecutive spins you will be up. Since the pattern will be the same as your wins in a row. Now l do what daniellee did is increase my unit bet to $10.00 or $25.00 and do a quick hit. Don't stay at the table for too long. Having said that, you can take a break for 30 min to an hour, come back start again. Remember, hitting a zero is part of the pattern too. I have done a straight up zero to hit as well with this pattern. it might take long but it does will. It will be long before you get a pattern for straight up zero.
I love it. I start a topic about an acquaintance and how he says he's playing the game and doing pretty well. Another member of the forum piggy backs off it with an idea of his own and "bingo" a week later everyone's buzzing about winning wheelbarrows full of money and tweaking his system and I look back to see how the topic's doing and I don't even know how they're playing this new idea. But I can tell that it isn't even close to the original topic.
It happens quite frequently. Unfortunately, "Story Time" doesn't alert guests and members to what the system is all about and that's a shame because this has turned into a really solid system, I think, but how will people find it in the future? No one can be attracted to a system title "Story Time".
Oh well, if it stays as strong as it is now, it'll never die and the name of the topic won't matter.
Please don't anyone take this as a criticism for Azim hyjacking my topic. :love: I've done it myself. I know it's not intentional. Sometimes you just post an idea triggered by someone's post and it takes off and before long the original topic is dead and the off-spring is going gangbusters.
I guess I'm going to have to backtrack and read up on this system of Azim's and see what gives... :lol:
Cheers to all,
GLC
I tried GLC´s method and at the moment im 30 units in profit. I won all 4 sessions.
I tried it with RNG-Roulette.
All sessions have a 10 unit win-target and 10 unit stop.
First session was good. Very fast way up to 10 units. session won (only red and black play)
Second session was another good round. 10 units profit. session won (only red and black play)
Third session was more difficult. Not a lot streaks. Almost no movent of my bankroll. new goal set to 5 units. session won (only red and black play)
Fourth session was diffult. Not much streaks. New target 5 units. Session won after over 200 Spins. (all even chances played)
@Interstate89
can you show us ONE of your sessions in breakdown form?
Either as a img of notes taken, an Excel file, or put into a reveal forum function?
To put info inside a reveal function, either click the Bay Window icon symbol on the edit message page:-
[attachimg]
Or type [reveal] Put the information in here![/reveal]
Then we can all see your session.
cheers
I started a new session to take notes. Normaly i play without notes.
I stopped the session with break-even bankroll because it takes a lot time to make notes.
Without notes i´m much more faster.
Excel file attached
Chris & 89,
I have been looking at this a little and wish to suggest a tweak to consider. Before we bet, why don't we wait for a double trigger and only bet 1 time.
We have BBBBRRBX Normally we would bet at the X, and if X wins, we're going to bet again but if X loses we're not going to bet again. If we wait until this BBBBRRBBX, we only bet if we get two B's.
This option may only be good if you're betting the 2nd time after a win on the 1st bet. If you're only betting once per trigger, then it doesn't help much.
GLC
Azim,
I've been testing your system using the 3 spin pattern in conjunction with my friend's trending system.
They seem to work well together. I've been playing a flat bet with good results. I use the +10/-10 parameters.
Here's my results so far.
+10
+10
-10
+10
-10
+10
+10
-10
+10
-10
+10
Not enough games to prove anything, but still a positive result to go along with 89's. Also, these were tested on past spins and some of the sessions were quite long. It might be worth dropping to +5/-5 for quicker games.
I've noticed that it's rare to get 3 of the same pattern in a row with your method so I'm thinking of betting for a break in the pattern after 2 wins.
RBBRBRRRBBRBBRBRRBRBBRX Right here at the X I will bet for an R instead of a B because we've had BBRB twice in a row.
I can see that with a little analysis we could apply this idea of yours to a plethora of patterns and keep ourselves busy little bees tracking everything.
GLC
To finish the story my heart beats for your precious daughter...
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 14, 09:58 PM 2013
To finish the story my heart beats for your precious daughter...
Hermes
Thank you dear Hermes and daniellee also.
We adopted her at birth. She has Williams Syndrome and though she has moderate to severe M.R. she is the happiest, friendliest, most compassionate person I know. She never meets a stranger. Everyone's her friend. If more of us were like her, we'd all be more loving toward each other and there would be no need for guns and bombs.
I accept your well-wishes on her behalf. May they return to you both a hundredfold.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Jun 14, 01:46 PM 2013
Azim,
I've been testing your system using the 3 spin pattern in conjunction with my friend's trending system.
They seem to work well together. I've been playing a flat bet with good results. I use the +10/-10 parameters.
I personally think 3 is a small number to get trends from. I normally use 7. But it's all how comfortable you are. Yes. It's a very long grind.
I believe and I let my friends understand this:
The casino is like an ocean. Go to the ocean fill a pail everyday, no dent done. Try and go in with a truck, you will no doubt fill it up but you will drown before you get the truck out from the beach.
I am using the same trends but I am betting inside numbers.
Quote from: Azim on Jun 15, 12:57 AM 2013
I am using the same trends but I am betting inside numbers.
Azim, Can you please expand on exactly how you play the inside numbers. I'm not sure I understood your method.
Thanks,
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Jun 14, 01:25 PM 2013
Chris & 89,
I have been looking at this a little and wish to suggest a tweak to consider. Before we bet, why don't we wait for a double trigger and only bet 1 time.
We have BBBBRRBX Normally we would bet at the X, and if X wins, we're going to bet again but if X loses we're not going to bet again. If we wait until this BBBBRRBBX, we only bet if we get two B's.
This option may only be good if you're betting the 2nd time after a win on the 1st bet. If you're only betting once per trigger, then it doesn't help much.
GLC
Maybe i´m wrong but a single bet after double trigger would be more dangerous.
With single trigger and 2 bets we have 3 possible ways.
A: win 2 units
B: break even
C: lose 1 unit
With double trigger and single bet we only have 2 options.
A: win 1 unit
B: lose 1 unit
I think options A and B of single trigger are the keys to stay alive.
Possibly i´m wrong with this way of thinking.
Quote from: Interstate89 on Jun 15, 08:09 AM 2013
Maybe i´m wrong but a single bet after double trigger would be more dangerous.
With single trigger and 2 bets we have 3 possible ways.
A: win 2 units
B: break even
C: lose 1 unit
With double trigger and single bet we only have 2 options.
A: win 1 unit
B: lose 1 unit
I think options A and B of single trigger are the keys to stay alive.
Possibly i´m wrong with this way of thinking.
89, Thanks for thinking about this with me.
What you say makes a lot of sense especially since it agrees with the basic premise behind the reason for the bet to start with.
I've been using my flatbet parlay and it has been doing well also. Meaning that if I win the 1st bet, I just let both units ride for the 2nd bet. A win nets me +3 units. A loss on the 2nd bet nets me -1 instead of even so there is a trade-off.
GLC i am glad your daughter is doing good. All the best to her.
Thanks Iggiv, Attached is a picture of Gracie and yours truly. It was taken last year. I know, I look like grandpa. Hey, I got a late start with this parenting thing.
My avatar is me when I was younger! HeHe
Looking good for Ur years George! :thumbsup:
I had my first bad session with RNG. Again a difficult game.
I startet a new session with live-dealer and it was more relaxed. The dealer had a big load of black and low. I reached a target of 5 units in 20 minutes. I stopped because i was concerned about the dealer change.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 15, 01:12 PM 2013
Looking good for your years George! :thumbsup:
When was the last time you had your eyes checked, Crispy bisquit?
Quote from: GLC on Jun 15, 12:34 PM 2013
Thanks Iggiv, Attached is a picture of Gracie and yours truly. It was taken last year. I know, I look like grandpa. Hey, I got a late start with this parenting thing.
My avatar is me when I was younger! HeHe
Hello GLC,
We don't no eachother but you are a good person...I wish you all the luck and good health...
John The Netherlands
Quote from: GLC on Jun 15, 01:03 AM 2013
Azim, Can you please expand on exactly how you play the inside numbers. I'm not sure I understood your method.
Thanks,
GLC
Would you like me to explain here? Would you like to open a new topic?
Quote from: Azim on Jun 16, 06:43 PM 2013
Would you like me to explain here? Would you like to open a new topic?
It sounded so different from this topic that I think a new topic would be appropriate.
Thanks,
GLC