Algorithm win or break even hybrid, even money bets.
This is one experiment using the lines.
I reckon that we would follow what is current and have a show.
This is how it works.
You follow the first three lines that show.
If you lose you play that line and the three other lines that you follow to break even.
So you play even money position to capitalize and when you lose you play dozen position to break even.
Each time you end a sequence at break even you restart the algorithm.
50% to strike domination/trending and around 80 to 85% to break even if first attempt fail.
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Use skips or play as is.
Regression or flat betting or progression.
Add strict MM rules.
explain please. I understand that you play lines but when you start ti play a dozen bet?
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the example told us numbers 1 to 6.
is he betting double lines?
Long post of some lucky trials, or is it real play?
Could one of the mods please edit these posts, and put the long string sets of results into a reveal function please?
They make for extremely long scrolling of the page, and reveal was designed just for such an event
cheers. :thumbsup:
(the bbc code is [reveal] information here [/reveal])
Quote from: RFMAXX on Apr 12, 01:37 PM 2013
the example told us numbers 1 to 6.
is he betting double lines?
U mean "A Line = 2 streets"? (or a double street)
I think he
IS betting a classic Line.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 12, 03:20 PM 2013
U mean "A Line = 2 streets"? (or a double street)
I think he IS betting a classic Line.
Why are we all talking like he cant answer him self?.....dam.n........I'm doing it now!!!
6 lines or a dice with six sides ...
OK here is the explanation for does who not understand.
A dice can alternate and show each side once during one cycle.
That is a probability around 98,5 % to happen.
This bet selection bet against that five sides will have one show each during one cycle.
I assume that the probability is around 85% for that to happen or even higher.
To illustrate this you can take a sequence when three lines alternate.
Then you first follow the three lines as an even money bet.
If you win you continue and if you lose you add that new line and bet dozen position.
Now if you win and break even with second attempt, then you restart with the three even money lines.
I have never during my years at forum boards see any public even money bet being so effective.
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Playing with ECs is a very hopeless effort, but I really like to test this one (and see it fail) your explanation is no good.
There is only R/B. Why so hard to explain in a simple way?
ignatus i don't expect beginners like you to understand ...
I am your EC guru, so what is it that you don't understand ...
Should also mention that the strike ration/variance is around 55% 60% 65%
Trending for domination that compensate for the negative expectation.
Quote from: ego on Apr 13, 03:51 AM 2013
ignatus i don't expect beginners like you to understand ...
I am your EC guru, so what is it that you don't understand ...
Should also mention that the strike ration/variance is around 55% 60% 65%
Trending for domination that compensate for the negative expectation.
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Now tell me how you would play this. I would be suprised. ;D
I would not say that you are - s t u p i d - as we all know you past topics are - s i l l y - regarding my opinion.
This is the answer to your question how you would play Red & Black ...
Advance Even Money Bets TRENDING FOR DOMINATION
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12592.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12592.0)
But i don't expect that you will understand that you have to clustering and twist things into 1 in 3 to succeed playing even money bets, when you are going to get strike ratio above 50% ... with out using progression.
This is the secret, one dozen ofthen fall into sleep and the two remaining dozen hit 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 times in a row.
Now if you can convert that trend into a even money bet, then the domination will compensate for the negative expectation. Also give you a higher strike ration above 50% ...
That is what this algorithm do.
Yes, I'm very "s t u p id" and "s i l l y", true... But explain this:
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B State one, two series chop. <----------------There is ABSOLUTE no reason why the outcome would be "black" here.
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Well....?
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 13, 04:16 AM 2013
Yes, I'm very "s t u p id" and "s i l l y", true... But explain this:
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B State two, serie of singles. <----------------There is ABSOLUTE no reason why the outcome would be "black" here.
Well....?
Ignatus....i think you dont know enough about e/c betting to argue about it. I would put myself in that catagory.
Why would you want to see egos idea fail?. The only reason we kick you around in your posts is because we want to see you win and are trying to help you think in winning ways.
You shouldnt be wishing an idea to fail mate.
Then roulette does not exist, so why to you spend time here.
If we don't use and apply probability then there is nothing left.
All existing topics at this forum board is based upon gamblers fallacy and each new trail is a new trail.
We all know that. The wheel has no memory.
It does not matter how you play all system lose.
Now that is what you are telling me and that is the truth for the past 300 years.
That is s i l l y and s t u p i d ...
I base my selection upon math and probability and strict MM rules and never claim i have the HG but i know my way is better then others public methods.
Ignatus, you are a wasting every ones times ...
I pretty sure ego means to show you/us, how a statistical edge can be gained, if instead of using the direct 2 state EC bet placement of Red/Black, U instead turn that into an EC with Lines.
Betting of three Lines covers half the table (excludes Zero obviously), and the ratio of Reds to Blacks within that remaining table area is roughly the same, but the advantage comes in the landing of the spins, esp if the table/wheel has got one sleeping Dozen.
In other words, this is a table/felt examination.
The narrow path afforded the resulting spin, can now only come from 4 'syconus*' Lines, and your betting on three of them (75% coverage, of the two remaining & hitting dozens)
The effective theoretical hit rate can be increased by a good margin.
Its not directly per-say, about Red V Black.
(that's how I see it)
[reveal]* means 'juicy' by the way![/reveal]
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 13, 03:47 AM 2013
Playing with ECs is a very hopeless effort, but I really like to test this one (and see it fail)
I was refering to this comment
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 13, 04:38 AM 2013
I pretty sure ego means to show you/us, how a statistical edge can be gained, if instead of using the direct 2 state EC bet placement of Red/Black, U instead turn that into an EC with Lines.
Betting of three Lines covers half the table (excludes Zero obviously), and the ratio of Reds to Blacks within that remaining table area is roughly the same, but the advantage comes in the landing of the spins, esp if the table/wheel has got one sleeping Dozen.
In other words, this is a table/felt examination.
The narrow path afforded the resulting spin, can now only come from 4 'syconus' Lines, and your betting on three of them (75% coverage, of the two remaining & hitting dozens)
The effective theoretical hit rate can be increased by a good margin.
Its not directly per-say, about Red V Black.
(that's how I see it)
Now it comes some good arguments.
Lets look at this when one line always sleep.
That means when we aim to play the most recent and present lines to repeat with our first bet, then we have 3 against 5.
That is towards our advantage as we have 18 numbers against 12 numbers (not 18/18 as the last line sleep)
Now if we lose our even money bets using three current lines then we have a new line that show and we add it to our three lines and make a 24 numbers bet against 6 numbers (not 12 as the last line sleep)
Rap that around your brain.
One cycle is six as there only exist six lines.
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Quote from: Turner on Apr 13, 04:34 AM 2013
Ignatus....i think you don't know enough about e/c betting to argue about it. I would put myself in that catagory.
Why would you want to see egos idea fail?. The only reason we kick you around in your posts is because we want to see you win and are trying to help you think in winning ways.
You shouldnt be wishing an idea to fail mate.
ok, sorry for being critical... Just that I lost my faith in roulette (in general).... :/
Sure, that may be a clever bet.......I have tried playing ECs.....following trend, stoploss, wait for virtual win, different progressions etc. Now, only because I failed with everything I've tried so far doesn't mean this will not work,...
But can we be honest? SOME people are making money playing roulette, (that's a great mystery to me) I've played roulette now for almost 2-3 years (everyday) it seems....... a bad habit? and I've lost alot of money.
Quote from: ignatus
ok, sorry for being critical... Just that I lost my faith in roulette (in general).... :/
I'm so please U apologized......well done!..........
........
(that's a great mystery to me) me too sometimes!! I've played roulette now for almost 2-3 years (everyday) it seems....... a bad habit? and I've lost a lot of money.
Time to stop losing then eh!...and begin very small wins, and hit a +10% day target
Maybe we both have just been looking in the wrong direction!
I know, when I put my mind to it, I can win at this game we so love to hate! (or is it hate to love!!)
Soooooo..........lets learn
ALL the aspects to it, including the statistical ones.............it might just give us the edge we are both (all) looking for !
cheers
Quote from: ego on Apr 13, 04:52 AM 2013
Now it comes some good arguments.
Lets look at this when one line always sleep.
That means when we aim to play the most recent and present lines to repeat with our first bet, then we have 3 against 5.
That is towards our advantage as we have 18 numbers against 12 numbers (not 18/18 as the last line sleep)
Now if we lose our even money bets using three current lines then we have a new line that show and we add it to our three lines and make a 24 numbers bet against 6 numbers (not 12 as the last line sleep)
Rap that around your brain.
One cycle is six as there only exist six lines.
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Listen to this, when one ask:
How do you play even money bets?
You could answer:
I use conditional propability.
That sleeping line sleep 99% of the times beyound the cycle and give us does odds in our favour.
Is almost like base you game upon conditional probabiltiy.
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Ignatus can you post some spins from your arsenal.
Quote from: ego on Apr 13, 05:19 AM 2013
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Ignatus can you post some spins from your arsenal.
Go ahead, it's your thread, I don't want to disturb you with my failures! hehe ;D
hi ego.
could you please give me a hint?
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thanks.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Apr 13, 07:29 AM 2013
hi ego.
could you please give me a hint?
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29 what to do here? track 3 new lines or playing previous four lines until break even?
thanks.
There has to be a missunderstanding, i use six lines, so i don't know why you wrote the line 8 as it does not exist, this is not streets.
hey can someone explain with a video example... I really cant understand it.. :(
Quote from: ego on Apr 13, 08:14 AM 2013
There has to be a missunderstanding, i use six lines, so i don't know why you wrote the line 8 as it does not exist, this is not streets.
typing error.
its number 5.
************Then you first follow the three lines as an even money bet.
If you win you continue and if you lose you add that new line and bet dozen position.
Now if you win and break even with second attempt, then you restart with the three even money lines.**********
I hear it this way: Wait for three unique lines to come. Say 3 6 and 1. Bet one unit on each for an EC bet at 3units. If you lose, add the line that beat you to the herd and now you have a double-dozen bet which you must win twice to get even.
The red IF is the fallen soldier. The blue second is the beautiful nurse who--hopefully--saves his life. ACK There's always infection!!
Sam
Thanks for the explanation sam! Now just to ask
Double dozen bet means, lets say for example we have this:
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3 (3 unique lines) (Put bet on 1,2,3 = 3 units)
4 (We loose, we add 4 to the herd) (Noe we put a bet on 1&2 and a bet on 3&4 = 2 units)
Is that it?
"Now if we lose our even money bets using three current lines then we have a new line that show and we add it to our three lines and make a 24 numbers bet against 6 numbers (not 12 as the last line sleep)" The parenthesis is pure malarkey. No one can guarantee a line will sleep.
un
That is what the man wrote. "We add it"........
Ego may in fact be a genius--I don't know. I do know he writes with the pen of obfuscation and bloviation so when people like myself and ignatus don't understand, we can be labeled silly and silly and ignorant. Putting it this way: s.t.u.p.i.d does not change the meaning.
Some of you folks got it totally backward. When a system is posted it is our job to TRY to disprove it; tear it all to H. Show the weaknesses and pitfalls.
OR
You could just take my word for my winning system and go bet the farm on it.
Which sounds more reasonable?
Let me re-cap:
Lines 1 2 3 come in that order. We bet a dollar on each. Line 4 comes. Now we have 1-2, the first dozen and 3-4, the second dozen. We bet for two dozens to hit two times in a row breaking us even. Gulp....5 and 6 are in the wings.
What do you do if you lose both bets on the dozens. Keep trying and going further in the hole or cut your loss and start over.
I'd love to make a movie if I knew the rules.
About now it becomes a Hitchc*** movie as the "Tweakbirds" begin circling!
AW, that was TwoCatHumor. Get over it.
Sam
TwoCatHumour at least doesn't equal Cat-astrophe blockbuster!
"Action!!"
Sam1
Ego may be honest, may be no doubt. But that's the way luck goes, luck or we can call it variance. We do not have control, but can in a good strike think it.
We win only when we bet the number comes. We do not have a clue why, and if we win it is not the effort we have done, that is that we do for extend the fun. We may win!!
TCS thanks for the help explain it, at least i try.
Now this is the point i agree that we disagree with TCS statements.
First out is that 90% to 99% of the times, one line sleep.
That means that only 5 lines will show in the closest future, at where we will bet, so we don't face all 6 lines.
This mean that when i following does three lines that already had a show, then i play against 2 remaining lines, not 3 lines.
That is in the current short term state in the beginning of each sequence.
So i claim that i have 18 vs 12 with my first bet.
Now when or if that bet lose then i still have same situation and have 24/6.
It that was not true, then how come i get so long winning strikes using my algorithm with high strike ratio above 50%.
TCS i don't want to brag, but i find it pretty clever ...
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Pst ... the sleeping events has to clump togeheter to lose twice ...
Ok so one more thing to ask to make it clear to me:
Example
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1 (Win, now we start over. So do we wait for new 3 unique lines to trigger again or we continue with the same, as in the example - 1.2.3 ?)
Another scenario
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4 (L - now we add 4 to the new double street bet)
4 (W - now do we start over again, waiting for another trigger, or we continue with the even bets on 1,2 and 3 ? )
Another scenario
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3 (Trigger)
4 L
5 L (now do we continue betting 1,2,3,4 on a double bet until we break even or do we end session and start over with another fresh trigger? )
Sorry for the retarded post, just hope to make it clear for me and other members who have trouble understanting the rules completely, after all if we want to test this system we have to now the rules right, right? :)
Quote from: unre4lbg on Apr 13, 12:10 PM 2013
Ok so one more thing to ask to make it clear to me:
Example
1
2
3 (Trigger)
1 W (Win, now we start over. So do we wait for new 3 unique lines to trigger again or we continue with the same, as in the example - 1.2.3 ?)
Another scenario
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 (L - now we add 4 to the new double street bet)
4 (W - now do we start over again, waiting for another trigger, or we continue with the even bets on 1,2 and 3 ? )
Another scenario
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 L
5 L (now do we continue betting 1,2,3,4 on a double bet until we break even or do we end session and start over with another fresh trigger? )
Sorry for the retarded post, just hope to make it clear for me and other members who have trouble understanting the rules completely, after all if we want to test this system we have to now the rules right, right? :)
Example
1
2
3 (Trigger)
1 (Continue until a loss then play all four lines, if a win then restart following 123, repeat the formula until two loses)
Another scenario
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 (L - now we add 4 to the new double street bet)
4 (W - now you continue to bet 123 lines, if a low you add a line again and start over until two loses.)
Another scenario
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 L
5 L (That is the end of attack with two loses or that you had 5 show each )
- - -
4
5
3 (Trigger)
4 W
1 L ( Add new line and make 24 number bet)
4 W
5 W (Restart even money bet 453)
2 L (Add new line and make 24 number bet )
2 W (Restart even money bet 453)
1 L ( Add new line and make 24 number bet )
3 W (Restart even money bet 453 )
4 W
3 W
3 W
5 W
4 W
5 W
1 L
1 W
5 W
5 W
3 W
3 W
4 W
3 W
6 L
6 W
3 W
3 W
3 W
3 W
4 W
1 L
4 W
3 W
2 L
2 W
1 L
5 W
5 W
6 L
5 W
1 L
3 W
4 W
4 W
4 W
5 W
3 W
1 L
1 W
4 W
4 W
3 W
3 W
4 W
2 L
2 W
1 L
1 W
4 W
5 W
3 W
2 L
6 L
I've been reading this topic with great interest. This is a new concept and we should try to understand it completely so we can take advantage of it, if possible, or incorporate it in other yet to be discovered ways.
I have to throw my hat in on Ego's side. His results, if not just lucky series that support his bet selection method, are impressive to say the least.
All the minor questions about doing this here or that there are relatively insignificant to understanding the over-riding concept of trying to take advantage of a sleeping line. We all know that just betting on the last 5 lines to show does that, but because of the pay-off rip, we also know that's a losing bet in the long run. Using a graduated attack with Ego's parameters looks, initially anyway, like a potential winning flat bet system.
I see this as a step beyond some of the systems I have worked on where I use an even chance to recover a single dozen loss. Or a double dozen bet to recover an even chance loss. Using the lines, or even the streets, gives us a more focused attack than just using 2 predefined dozens or a pre-defined even chance like Red or Black.
It may prove to be a long term loser like all the others, but for now, to me, it's the most interesting post of late. Including my own posts.
Thanks for posting Ego.
Ego, I do agree that you were a little harsh with Ignatus. You have to be patient with us as we try to wrap our heads around a new concept before we can jump on board. New ideas are few and far between. We almost feel like there aren't any more. This shows that there are and there may even be more than have been put forward in 300 years. Who knows?
@ Ignatus My condolences on your loss these past couple of years. Thank you for being bold enough to share that. It's a red flag to all of us to be prudent in risking money on this elusive game.
Good Luck to all,
GLC
Thanks for you kind reply GLC ...
Now i just want to mention that you can use any kind of trigger as long you have three shows.
Feel free to tweak it or make your own strategy ...
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Apr 13, 12:39 PM 2013
Example
1
2
3 (Trigger)
1 (Continue until a loss then play all four lines, if a win then restart following 123, repeat the formula until two loses)
Another scenario
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 (L - now we add 4 to the new double street bet)
4 (W - now you continue to bet 123 lines, if a low you add a line again and start over until two loses.)
Another scenario
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 L
5 L (That is the end of attack with two loses or that you had 5 show each )
- - -
4
5
3 (Trigger)
4 W
1 L ( Add new line and make 24 number bet)
4 W
5 W (Restart even money bet 453)
2 L (Add new line and make 24 number bet )
2 W (Restart even money bet 453)
1 L ( Add new line and make 24 number bet )
3 W (Restart even money bet 453 )
Ego
So keep the same trigger until it loses
in this case
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 L
5 L (That is the end of attack with two loses or that you had 5 show each )would we play 345 or start a fresh from the 2 losses
AND.....
1
3
2 <<< play 1,2,3
0(zero) <<<< we are 3 u down.
How do we proceed
Thanks
Turner
It does not have to come in that order using triggers.
You can see 4556 and jump onboard or 236 - test for your self.
You can also do this reverse where you bet against one dozen to hit 4 times in a row as trigger and then play for change to continue
6
1
1 L
3 W 2345
5 W 245
5 L 234
3 W 234
4 W 245
2 W 345
4 W 235
5 W 234
2 W 345
6 L 2345
2 W 345
2 L 2345
4 W 235
1 L 2345
5 W 234
5 L 2345
4 W 235
3 W 245
2 W 345
4 W 235
4 L 2345
4 W 235
4 L 2345
1 L
The main idea or the core is to take advantage out of sleeper and hit trending for domination.
But playing against does also work.
Quote from: Turner on Apr 13, 03:22 PM 2013
Ego
So keep the same trigger until it loses
in this case
1
2
3 (Trigger)
4 L
5 L (That is the end of attack with two loses or that you had 5 show each )
would we play 345 or start a fresh from the 2 losses
AND.....
1
3
2 <<< play 1,2,3
0(zero) <<<< we are 3 u down.
How do we proceed
Thanks
Turner
If you don't jump onbard with two bets for a trend then you quit/restart a new attack.
If zero strike you just repeat your previos bet as nothing has happend.
Ego,
Thank You!
Will try to code this in excel.
Quote from: starkygold on Apr 13, 04:31 PM 2013
Ego,
Thank You!
Will try to code this in excel.
Thank you.
Is not the HG and this is how i think about it ...
All i know is that the game is cruel.
Some pros say you bet three times and if you don't catch a trend/domination, then you are out.
You quit, end of session.
All that with out using any kind of progression.
That is cruel.
And now i at least succeed hit more Entering points with + 1 then Exit points -3 based upon that methodology.
That with out trending for domination using regression, that is the point and should compensate against the Exit points.
That is a start.
Is just my way of thinking or my methodology.
I use Entering points, Exit points, Break even points.
I use only three bets to jump onboard any sequense.
Main target is to use regression and Up & Pull
Trending for domination.
Main idea is to twist a even money bet into the same probability area as when one dozen sleep for 5 10 20 30 times in a row.
That is the only way to compensate for the negative expectation when trending for domination.
ego: "I have never during my years at forum boards see any public even money bet being so effective."
That says a lot : )
ps
thanks for the great post GLC!
Ok so i got everything clear, one last thing..
on the double dozen bet if it comes 1&2 and 3&4 we bet the 1rst and the second dozen, but HOW do you bet when it comes 1&2 and 4&5 ? how to u make your bet on the dozens..
Quote from: unre4lbg on Apr 14, 08:32 AM 2013
Ok so i got everything clear, one last thing..
on the double dozen bet if it comes 1&2 and 3&4 we bet the 1rst and the second dozen, but HOW do you bet when it comes 1&2 and 4&5 ? how to u make your bet on the dozens..
he always bets the lines (double streets) so 4 lines is 24 numbers which is like a two dozen bet
the question is does he bet 2 units per line when that happens?
ego nice very job, I like the thread a lot :thumbsup:
EDIT:
did a quick test
100 spins
I get 44 wins and 23 losses
total +44 units using 1,2 ( 1 unit when betting 3 lines and then 2 units when betting 4 lines )
or +46 units using just 1 unit (flatbetting)
very very nice
Didn't have time to test it. How is it going?
Very interesting topic... I would like to analyze the W/L sequence of some thousands of spins applying this. Has anyone tested this with at least 1000 spins, or more?
Hey ego,
Made a tracker for your method.
Can you please tell me what is the win/loss with units:
WIN: +3units
Loss1: -3 units
Loss2:-4 units
?
So that i can create a graph with the Balance
Regards,
Alex
Win Lose ratio for this method is good.
I think its better to focus ALL our energy in one topic at a time. I see on the 1st page 20 methods, and no one wrote in here for 3 days. This is not a bad method, on the contrary......................!
Ego, waiting for your reply so i can finish the tracker, i will post it here for free (as always) for all.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: probasah on Apr 17, 04:08 PM 2013
Hey ego,
Made a tracker for your method.
Can you please tell me what is the win/loss with units:
WIN: +3units
Loss1: -3 units
Loss2:-4 units
?
So that i can create a graph with the Balance
Regards,
Alex
While waiting for ego's response, I think it's something like this: you bet a total of 3 units on the first bet. If Win on 1st bet, is +3; Loss on first bet is -3 .
Then you proceed to the second bet, if youhave lost. Win on 2nd bet is +2; Loss on 2nd bet is -4 .
All this assuming flat betting ( 1 unit per line).
If you folow sogget sugestion, and bet 2 unit in 2nd bet instead of 1, you get:
win 1st bet +3; Loss 1st bet -3
Win 2nd bet ; +4; Loss 2nd bet -8
Hi everyone
I agree with Probasah's post above where he says ".....It is far better to focus ALL our energy in one topic at a time. I see on the 1st page 20 methods, and no one wrote in here for 3 days. This is not a bad method, on the contrary......................!"
A lot of time potentially very good methods are being mentionned but there is no proper follow through and after few days the topic is dead......
Cheers
Chris
Incredibly i was trying a very similar system that i saw in a Spanish forum 2 days ago but beginning after 2 street, then 3, then 4 if i loss
Thanks Ego I think it could be good
Hello all,
Unfortunately it seems to fail on the long run.
You can add your spins on the green column or it randomly generates numbers(default excel)
Here it is, took me about 4 hours to build.
Enjoy,
Alex
Anyone else want to comment on the tracker/ method? Maybe we can improve it.
Regards,
Alex
I cant seem to understand this. Can anyone please explain how to bet with these number?
[reveal]
20
21
30
23
23
27
1
30
34
13
14
33
23
12
25
9
26
11
35
3
[/reveal]
Quote from: probasah on Apr 17, 05:16 PM 2013
Hello all,
Unfortunately it seems to fail on the long run.
You can add your spins on the green column or it randomly generates numbers(default excel)
Here it is, took me about 4 hours to build.
Enjoy,
Alex
It fails in the long run but how many L did you have in a row? Is there a way to hide the L if no number is entered so the graph will show real results when you play it live....
Thanks
anyone still playing this? Any feedback?
can u share some progression methods? Suggested bankroll, win and stop loss? Im thinking of doing some tests with real money.. on paper it seems to be when ur up - quit, when ur down - grind. Thats why im asking proper bankroll needed :)
I've been playing it a little, not with money.
Mostly it seems quite stable but will it go anywhere without a progression.
Anyone used a progression, if so what? I was thinking maybe up one on a double loss until equal (or near) to to highest.
I haven't worked out any idea of a bank, not enough information.
Maybe ego knows.
Trebor
Maybe it will work better on BVNZ and a very sweet positive progression.