Isn't it funny, that when U try a new method/system out for the first time, it nearly always wins!
Yet, if U try if for the medium/long term, its bound to lose and lose in a big way!
Strange that!
I don't think it's strange, it's to be expected... In the long run, when up and down imbalances cancel each other, we are left with the house edge...
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 18, 08:37 AM 2013
Isn't it funny, that when U try a new method/system out for the first time, it nearly always wins!
Yet, if U try if for the medium/long term, its bound to lose and lose in a big way!
Strange that!
Ive made this comment may times. First runnings are the strongest.
All wheels has not house advantages, they pay 100%.
Some methods, neg prog have a larger probability to win small, and a minor probability to lose big.
If we win 999 times of 1000, we have to be very unlucky to start with the losing session. But it will come.
The methods stands different outcomes, a bad for the method will come. It is good to switch, none will win forever.
A heavy neg prog, a big bankroll, let us stay longer, but at the end lose more, if we see the end.
If we not have more than 50% chance to double the bankroll, we shall not use the method, as we as well can put it on an EC NOZ.
Some start with very low bets, and see it works, then increase the bet. I advice to not do it, as the bankroll becomes fewer in units, and the probability to lose increase when we play the same way long.
Hi!
I think exactly like you guys.
Therfore i am going to test the systems that now is in proofreader Project Q with just one session each going from first to last and do that 5 times and see what happens.
Maybe thats the way to have 7 -10 systems and just play them one time each and then call it the night.
agesta
@ agesta
My thinking entirely............play many many systems, one after another,
to see if those early/first winners, can be sustained a little longer. :thumbsup:
Quote from: agesta on Apr 18, 10:01 AM 2013
Hi!
I think exactly like you guys.
Therfore i am going to test the systems that now is in proofreader Project Q with just one session each going from first to last and do that 5 times and see what happens.
Maybe that's the way to have 7 -10 systems and just play them one time each and then call it the night.
agesta
This is a very
interesting idea, indeed.
I think it is a great idea to pause a system after a while. Not while it's winning but when it starts to fail. Put on on the shelf to rest. Like us, systems get tired and need a little R&R.
I have been doing this a while with some success.
Samster
Hi
I have noted that some of the best system on the forum stands easily the test of time day after day after day. My favourite system is the number four of the system called " Four system I have actually used to make money " shared kindly by Twocatsam". I'm referring here to real live or BM casino; None of these things called rng, or auto roulette......lol lol ;)
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 18, 08:37 AM 2013
Isn't it funny, that when U try a new method/system out for the first time, it nearly always wins!
Yet, if U try if for the medium/long term, its bound to lose and lose in a big way!
Strange that!
MY DEAR CHRISBY,
That is what i'm doing for year now.example..the other night I lost on the same system that was
winning 8 nights in the row.......last night I started a new ones,several of them,and noticed pit boss
and the dealers looking me kind of strangely.....as if I have put them in pat possition......after all
playing each night same continously they know your next move...it's like a chess game.
so, you admit now all systems fail? xD.......
Quote from: agesta on Apr 18, 10:01 AM 2013
Hi!
I think exactly like you guys.
Therfore i am going to test the systems that now is in proofreader Project Q with just one session each going from first to last and do that 5 times and see what happens.
Maybe that's the way to have 7 -10 systems and just play them one time each and then call it the night.
agesta
Hi!
Now i have tested each system one time
The system are
1.Deltas second Dozen number repeater system
2.Morrrison`s Zero system
3.Rabbles eight numbers
4.Rafael`s climbing number system
5.Agesta`s dozen
6.Serrano`s Between -sectors
7.Magnas Soft Six-Numbers
8.Fernandos`s Across-to-Zero
I played them with 1 units bets for one singel session
System
1.+21 units in 20spins
2.+15 units in 7 spins
3.+28units in 1 spins
4.+34units in 1 spin
5.+/-0 in 3 spins
6.+28 units in 1spin
7.-36 units in 6 spins
8. -35 units in 5 spins
That would be + 55 units in 44 spins
I will do this 4 more times
agesta
Quote from: teo on Apr 18, 03:33 PM 2013
MY DEAR CHRISBY,
That is what i'm doing for year now.example..the other night I lost on the same system that was
winning 8 nights in the row.......last night I started a new ones,several of them,and noticed pit boss
and the dealers looking me kind of strangely.....as if I have put them in pat possition......after all
playing each night same continously they know your next move...it's like a chess game.
Chess is a good analogy.
static play with the same opening is soon defeated. You will get good results for a while then you become predictable.
Hi
Some systems may not be in Project Q, but they give very good results as well. For example, The consistent Profit Roulette System. Those interested can have a go at it, you will be surprised of the results, hit rate.
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 18, 06:04 PM 2013
Hi
Some systems may not be in Project Q, but they give very good results as well. For example, The consistent Profit Roulette System. Those interested can have a go at it, you will be surprised of the results, hit rate.
Chris
Hi!
I Think so too i just use the system in Project Q, because they are all well explained by proof and everybody who will can see which systems i use for this Little test.
agesta
Hi Agesta
I agree I also primilarily use what is in Project Q as the explanation given by Proof for the method is great; However, I also look beyond what is in Project Q as from experience I have also found some pearls burried in the forum notwithstading the fact thay they may be in Project Q as such.
Cheers
Chris
The advantage I have in my local casino/can't do in Slovenia or Italy,or anywhere else that I know/
that they allow me use of tablet,where I stored about 30 prepared excels of each method on deskopt,
so when I decide/usually when up,but sometimes even down---more rarely/just switch to another method.
Hello all..........and especially my winter friend 'teo'
This is just the conference debate I was looking forward to.
It could almost be a parallel discussion thread for Project Q as excellently presented to us by Proofreader.
The intricate finite analysis of ALL the systems and methods is what we need now, rather like a review.
Proof has started the ball rolling with his speedy 'gain or breakeven' testing and then depositing into Fort-Knox-Project Q safe.
So its now our job to methodically test these systems in the short & medium term and hone them down until we get around 8-12 methods that can be put into an ultimately bot.
I would like now, to discuss how we make a working study group to achieve this objective.
We use to get some from "system" we win often and at the end can lose. A bold play a short burst and you lose as usual. but at the time it goes our way it is rewarding. LUCK COUNTS!
I have used an other account , and I decide to risk a winning I got from Roulette Express ( about 1700 Euro).
Played bold, expect number 5 to hit. The max permitted payout is 10000.
System play is fun, and not so scary(at lest not from start).
Streaks are bad or good, there are streaks! If we use them instead of betting flat on good and higher on bad (neg progression)
we have a delayed risk, we can hit it sooner or lose. A parlay or bold bet, is there really a difference?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 19, 07:23 AM 2013
Hello all..........and especially my winter friend 'teo'
This is just the conference debate I was looking forward to.
It could almost be a parallel discussion thread for Project Q as excellently presented to us by Proofreader.
The intricate finite analysis of ALL the systems and methods is what we need now, rather like a review.
Proof has started the ball rolling with his speedy 'gain or breakeven' testing and then depositing into Fort-Knox-Project Q safe.
So its now our job to methodically test these systems in the short & medium term and hone them down until we get around 8-12 methods that can be put into an ultimately bot.
I would like now, to discuss how we make a working study group to achieve this objective.
Don't count on me as far as bots and on line betting is concerned.....am old fashioned winter chap that strongly
don't believe in these modern things.Obama and Putin are knowing what any of them had for brekfast this morning,
and my old fashioned head only imagining what are this roulette mafia is serving to you every day.
Especilly constantly reading here how some got ban for winning some minor dough regulary.....what's the use the
question should arise here.
just some way how amm playing even though short last night.
Spin 28 should be number 8 street 5-----/esult would be still same/but since I had to rewrite all this from other excels,
typo errors happens in such sutuations,especially in my years.
Quote from: agesta on Apr 18, 05:34 PM 2013
Hi!
Now i have tested each system one time
The system are
1.Deltas second Dozen number repeater system
2.Morrrison`s Zero system
3.Rabbles eight numbers
4.Rafael`s climbing number system
5.Agesta`s dozen
6.Serrano`s Between -sectors
7.Magnas Soft Six-Numbers
8.Fernandos`s Across-to-Zero
I played them with 1 units bets for one single session
System
1.+21 units in 20spins
2.+15 units in 7 spins
3.+28units in 1 spins
4.+34units in 1 spin
5.+/-0 in 3 spins
6.+28 units in 1spin
7.-36 units in 6 spins
8. -35 units in 5 spins
That would be + 55 units in 44 spins
I will do this 4 more times
agesta
Hi all!
I have now completed my Little test, not a funny story at all.
You have the names on the system i tested above .
I have tested them 5 times each only 1 session at a time from first to last.
System
1. 3 wins 2 losses -28 units
2. 1 win , 4 losses -129 units
3. 1 win, 4 losses -100 units
4. 1 win, 4 losses -110 units
5. 3 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss - 1unit
6. 4 wins, 1 loss + 30 units
7. 4 wins , 1 loss +34 units
8. 3 wins , 2 losses -7 units
Total 40 sessions 20 wins , 19 losses and 1 draw
- 311 units
It do not work even if we just play 1 session of each system and then play next system.
Only 2 system in +
I must say that proofreader do a great work here , i have just tested these systems and i am tired,he test different systems all the time,
Hats off for him!!! :) :)
Agesta
Quote from: agesta on Apr 20, 02:03 AM 2013
Hi all!
I have now completed my Little test, not a funny story at all.
You have the names on the system i tested above .
I have tested them 5 times each only 1 session at a time from first to last.
System
1. 3 wins 2 losses -28 units
2. 1 win , 4 losses -129 units
3. 1 win, 4 losses -100 units
4. 1 win, 4 losses -110 units
5. 3 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss - 1unit
6. 4 wins, 1 loss + 30 units
7. 4 wins , 1 loss +34 units
8. 3 wins , 2 losses -7 units
Total 40 sessions 20 wins , 19 losses and 1 draw
- 311 units
It do not work even if we just play 1 session of each system and then play next system.
Only 2 system in +
I must say that proofreader do a great work here , i have just tested these systems and i am tired,he test different systems all the time,
Hats off for him!!! :) :)
Agesta
Agesta.
The key word is tested....not lost. No damage done :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Apr 20, 05:00 AM 2013
Agesta.
The key word is tested....not lost. No damage done :thumbsup:
You are right! :)
Hi Agesta and all
If u wish to test more than...... the key board, I'm testing, playing some of the older methods in the forum which are still giving great results despite they are old methods...... ;)
If u wish u may try have a go at them, namely.......The Crossplay 5 by Atlantis; The zone by Fender 100. Thanks to these gentlemen for having shared these great methods.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 20, 07:54 AM 2013
Hi Agesta and all
If u wish to test more than...... the key board, I'm testing, playing some of the older methods in the forum which are still giving great results despite they are old methods...... ;)
If u wish u may try have a go at them, namely.......The Crossplay 5 by Atlantis; The zone by Fender 100. Thanks to these gentlemen for having shared these great methods.
Hi Chris555!
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chriss555!
Thanks a lot for the system ,i will test them today if i have the time!
Agesta
Hi Agesta
You welcome; At the time they were placed on the forum, I was not a member of the forum yet......; Therefore, I am learning some of the older methods which seem very good to. These two methods seem very good to me based upon testing results. Have a go at them when u have time and let me know if you reach the same conclusion as I do. Whilst we are on the subject u may also wish to try the consistent profit system, it gives me good results as well.
Cheers
Chris
My last night play with diff. methods.
From spin 199 it should write CCW instead of CW
I don't wish to start a riot, but, isn't playing loads of systems for a short period just the same as playing one system using Hit and Run?
Quote from: rolf-harris on Apr 22, 08:20 AM 2013
I don't wish to start a riot, but, isn't playing loads of systems for a short period just the same as playing one system using Hit and Run?
Hi!
That has crossed my mind to, that is part of why i did my Little test, if that is that it takes to have a chance against the Wheel,why not?
Agesta
Quote from: agesta on Apr 22, 08:46 AM 2013
Hi!
That has crossed my mind to, that is part of why i did my Little test, if that is that it takes to have a chance against the Wheel,why not?
Agesta
The only problem i see is when u switch to idea B having played idea A and B doesn't win and you see A would of won, it will be demoralising. Its happened to me many times.
Turner
Hi
I guest it depends which method we want to play.....; Playing hit and run is not suitable for a lot of methods.....; Therefore, I do not think it is the same, just my
2 C
Chris
Hit & Run is ok as a routine if it takes a day or a week to hit & then run.
Its all relative.
Need to be very precise about ones M.O.
:wink:
Quote from: rolf-harris on Apr 22, 08:20 AM 2013
I don't wish to start a riot, but, isn't playing loads of systems for a short period just the same as playing one system using Hit and Run?
No. It's not.what about you don't hit,and instead hit the wall.
Here one may fail,even second but overall you are there every night.
Your ways you come,you gone and who knows when you back again..
It's a paper words my friend,go there and try real performance.
Hit and run is like to use quantum physics. "The action of distance" it works in that way, you lose less if you are far away from the casino.
Last 2 nigts........it is only my way of playing....nobody should nor do the same.
And for those that think it is same as hit and run ,can only unswer.....better not,
as it said all by him.
Since am very busy daily/with renovating my apartments,which should be finish by 01.05,as first guest are arriving/wouldn't be going to casino those days as all team of tradesman are working here to late hours.
After it's all finish will start a new thread --.-My chronology of every day play--which you will see day by day about
30 methods am playing,how and why am playing thatway,how am w/l and why this way wins on the long run.
Untill then.
Quote from: teo on Apr 23, 01:32 PM 2013
Since am very busy daily/with renovating my apartments,which should be finish by 01.05,as first guest are arriving/wouldn't be going to casino those days as all team of tradesman are working here to late hours.
After it's all finish will start a new thread --.-My chronology of every day play--which you will see day by day about
30 methods am playing,how and why am playing thatway,how am w/l and why this way of approach wins on the long run.
until then.
I have one opinion.
There will always be sleeping events and you should never play does.
This means that no matter what method or strategy you use, you always play what is present and current.
That way you get higher probability hitting as you don't face all events, as at least one event will always be sleeping.
Cheers
Hi
I have exactly the same opinion as I have played from time to time sleeping events and have mostly ended up with losses.
I much prefer playing methods which is based upon repeating numbers; dominanting events; following the trends etc......;
Afterall, roulette is always right so why bet against it, or bet against the trend specially in the immediate short term.........lol??
Except that you can't understand it unless you see all of it...firstly don't play neither sleepers or trends,pure randomly
in cycles 6,8,9,12,depending on the method---best of 3 cycles---if first wins the game is over...after all will be clear soon,and
now should do a barbecue for 11 ppl....I love cooking.
Quote from: teo on Apr 24, 11:55 AM 2013
Except that you can't understand it unless you see all of it...firstly don't play neither sleepers or trends,pure randomly
in cycles 6,8,9,12,depending on the method---best of 3 cycles---if first wins the game is over...after all will be clear soon,and
now should do a barbecue for 11 people....I love cooking.