Some use the marquee history when selecting the bets, some says that is of no use and a common Gf, which either will help or getting the play at losing, which is will do at the end due to the hardwired odds of the game.
Yes after a long run of spins, the unfair odds will catch up. We can on line and om some BM casinos find tables which pays fair odds on the pay out, but take a rake for the net win.
If the play the NOZ the talk of -EV is not there, the win tax is someting quite different.
Back to the marquee, the numbers there are they possible to make any advantages of them?
There are methods which says the hot numbers are the numbers to bet, and other says opposite, so this seems to be no concensus of the way to use the history, all kinds of patterns and ideas are used, and that is an argument for it is not any information at all to get from the history.
We know the common "ball has no memory", "independent events" from they those can use the math and have some knowledge of random events, but most of the time it is Wikepedia Parrots knowing less of random events than the posting re-inventor of the martingale.
One misstake which is common, it is the missunderstanding of the "order" in randomness. It is in fact some "order" in the random outcomes. If we let a human write down 20 number as "random" as possible and then take 20 numbers from a real wheel or a random generator which is fair. We show the both result to other and ask them to point out which is random. In most of the trials the human permutation is chosen as the random permutation, often in the range of 80%.
We can google about human thoughts of random, and tests done, not only numbers, but all sorts of pattern, the random patterns are often regarded in "order" compare to even out patterns. The probability for an even out pattern are (and in shorter series more) much less than all the different "orders" the human perception see.
All random streams from roulette contains clusters. We can not know the next spin, or the ten next, but we can know it is a high probability it will be cluster, which we sometimes think is "order", but it is one of the properties of random streams.
The methods of "sleepers" and "repeaters" exist due to such observations.
Our problem is we do not know beforehand which "order" the random stream will produce!
At BV it is 21 numbers in the marquee, and I have seen them for years and how they changes all the time, probablly millions of time.
It is not possible to know beforehand which numbers will show, but I can be very sure, it will very seldom be a stream of 21 different numbers.
That observations would be possible to use, to find a method which has low probabillity (on NOZ) to bust before the risking amount of money has been won.
I will try out this, use the history observation, not the CURRENT marquee as such, but that we can see, it is so rare 21 different numbers will come out any time we check the marquee.
The first test I used 100 Euro as bankroll, and 0.1 as units, and I needed this time not many spins to reach a plus near 2x the risking bankroll. 100 Euro may be too low bankroll, but that is to see in real play, as the knowlegde it can not passing many 1000 spins is not an important and useful knowlegde. what's important is if I can win some real money.
The probabillity we se 2 identical rows of 21 spins in real conditions twice in our total life is very remote. And the risk then all numbers are different is small, but there.
If we daily make a trip to a casino we do not simulate that trip zillions of time, as the answer will be we are dead in the traffic, why
should we care a couple of hundred Euro more than our life?
The main here is to risk 100-300 units and try to get more before the eventually bust, not more, not less.
The pic of the marquee contains a common random events!!! Not the exactly numbers in the exactly order, but the presence of cluster.
"Can we use the marquee history!"
Well if your not playing VB or using a roulette computer what else can you use to decide where and what to bet ?
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Quote from: ddarko on Apr 21, 08:13 AM 2013
"Can we use the marquee history!"
Well if your not playing VB or using a roulette computer what else can you use to decide where and what to bet ?
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We can just pick a number that's what, but do not take your birthday number, better your moms'. ::)
Where I recommend the table!
Took about 100 spins this time. We can pass a few sessions or lose at the first. I got no two winning, and could do it using 1000 units bank, the same as win target.
Quote from: Ralph on Apr 21, 08:47 AM 2013
We can just pick a number that's what, but do not take your birthday number, better your moms'. ::)
Where I recommend the table!
That going to make me like all the other chumps at the table, I will pass thanks.......
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A very basic question about the marquee history.
If you look at the marquee and see in the last 5 spins that red has hit 4 times and black only 1 time, using every possible scenario (excluding zero) what is the total probability that red will reach 5 hits before black? :question:
Any mathematicians out there?
At last.....a philosophy! and no interest from anyone. :-[
I've tried, Ralph, to plant a seed and see what people think.
They generally don't think
People want a ready made system they can follow and win with, done for them, by someone else. Not theory and hard work.
As for your post:
I know I am not respected here much as a Roulette player...or as a Maths guy.
What I should be respected for, is the fact that I have tested and tested everything that comes here ...to death.
They all have the same result.....guess what it is?
When people laugh at the truth, its because the truth hurts.
I think this is the truth.
Roulette is about luck. (you say so yourself)
The marquee gives the clues how to play...NOT what to play.
The marquee shows repeats, hot numbers showing again, cold numbers appearing after a break.
it doesn't say which ones. Unfortunatley there is random within random.
25 repeating is a reason to play 25 again. It doesn't mean that 25 will repeat. it may sleep for 400 spins.
Good systems show how to play....not what to play. There is no what to play, only how to.
We mock the chinese for throwing chips all around the table. But if some are hot, some are cold, some are repeaters, (they don't know they picked those names) then they are playing correctly
Summary:
I can say...It will rain today at 1:32am.
I am 100% correct. It will start raining at 1:32am.
But where, Uganda? London?, Sydney?, Orlando?
I can say numbers will repeat, cold numbers will show, red will streak
I am 100% correct. A number will repeat, a number will show after a rest, red will hit 12 times.
But where? 36 hits again? 22 comes back after 127 sleeps?, red streaks next?
Most good systems try to find out...and get it wrong.
I think playing with good ideas based on what the numbers actually do time and time again, reduces the amount of numbers you will/will not have luck with
Above?.....I would be picking Uganda...its rainy season....but it can be sunny. :thumbsup:
Turner
In Redneck, there is the word "gander". I just took a gander at your post. Two rednecks:
"Luke, what you doin', boy?"
"Takin' a ganda at yo' wife's legs!"
"Uganda at my wife again and I'll hurt yo' nose!"
Come on, Turner. I read everything you write and I certainly respect your views. OK....
Ralph
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I'd love to know how you run up those figures using dimes. Won't you share?
To your question: I certainly use the marquee. While the logical me knows the next spin is a completely new event in the Universe, the roulette player in me knows that numbers will most likely fall a certain way. Runs follow chops and vice-versa. I do fairly well at predicting these events. No Spike or Gizmotron, but I do OK.
If I had no history, I would pass and go home.
Sam
I can guess rather well the weather in Santa Fe, if I say it will be sunny, would I most of the time be right.
If I guess it will be at least repeating numbers in 21 spins, I will be right most of the time.
If I guess it will be a run of seven EC in 200 spins I will most of the time be right.
If I guess it will not be more than 1/3 to 2/3 imbalance I will most of the time be right.
On a NOZ wheel we do not have the negative EV, we have to focus at the variance.
The fact I picked 200 odds bet twice yesterday in less than 10 spins, that's extreme luck, and I do not know why I chose to do it that moment.
Winning at roulette is mainly luck, but we can help some trying understand some common movements.
Just guessing, just luck! Almost!
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@sam we use ganda...but its hard to say in what context. Its one of the words u use for a certain time without thinking. I think its....ill take a cursary look at it for you out of respect..i.e. Is that the letter you have written?..give it here...I'll take a gander.I'm no African affairs correspondant but I recon in Uganda....they spend 90% of the day checking out their friends wifes legs or proofreading letters as a favour.
@ ralph....but after you have selected those best juicy apples.....it could still have a maggot inside. The random in random.
QuotePeople want a ready made system they can follow and win with, done for them, by someone else. Not theory and hard work
True words if ever there were any.
QuoteThe marquee gives the clues how to play...NOT what to play.
I only use the marquee now, can't bot it sadly, as most of you know already I play red black only, my game is now focused on FTL.
EDIT: forgot to post this mornings attack, I aim for 10 units, a few people have asked what progression I use, well, I don't have one that's set in stone so I have decided to note the steps I use, depending on what the RNG is chucking at me, here is todays chip usage
1,1,2,1,3 +1
1,2 +1
1,1,1,3,1 +1
1,2,3,2 +2
1,2 +1
1,2,4 +1
1,1,3 +1
1,2 +1
1,1,2,1,1,2,2 +1
I am not going to write in the WL etc so don't bother asking, the units are decided on how the streaks chops look at that time.
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When it boils down towards even money bets, then the answer is simple.
If you know how to play, then you can use the marquee history.
I know there does not exist bet selections GF and i also know that 99% of all times at least one event will sleep.
That means period that you will always be better of use what is present and current.
This is why and how you use the marquee history board.
How do i know.
Well i can cut loses short and win and stay ahead based upon that methodology - without using progression.
I find a loop hole, it works on blackjack, roulette, sicbo, baccarat ...
I have many times made trials to catch the repeating numbers, and focus on the last most repeated numbers.
I use to raise the stake every time the number hits.
I has been working well, most of the time.
I am aware this is an example of "Texas sharpshooters fallacy", but I do not stop using it because of that.
Texas sharpshooters fallacy
The shooter from Texas (or Oklahoma) aim at a barn and fire some rounds, afterwards he decide the target area was there the the bullets cluster.
The second trial.
The third trial, three runs and 382 plus. Downdrawn less than 100 in two and less than 300 in the last.
The stoploss can be quite high, one hit use to be all which needed for a recover.
(We can lose).
We can extend our collections of fallacys, in that way we set the random count at BV to 21 then press the button to see it, we have got 21 "free spins". We can get 60 if we want.
Number 10 hitting this time.
Ralph are you playing manually or with a bot?
Quote from: weddings on Apr 23, 05:14 AM 2013
Ralph are you playing manually or with a bot?
This I play manual, the notes in the pic I do manual in notepad. I play first all numbers coming twice, until I got a number coming three times then I bet only that number with one more chip. If any number hit three times it is bet with two chips as well.
As soon any number hit more that the others I bet that number and add a chip.
It use to end betting one number with three or four units. If we are not terrible behind it will end up 4 x 37 units and be on the positive side. It is similar to a few other methods like M7 and catch 8 train.
I never stop until at least a number has come four times. If a number repeat fast I have most of the chips on the hottest number.
Expect to lose 300 units on a bad run, on the other hand 100-300 plus is common.
I do not bot it, as it is no rigid rules when to end the game.
This session went down, about 200 units. The last hit took it up 144 units. I stopped at 10 units plus, as the stakes were rater high.
If we got more hits on number 20 soon it had been high winnings, but high risks. A few numbers on a level of 5 units and a losing streak could blow away a lot.
This one is short, number 5 hitting. I decide to stop, at almost 100 plus, If number 5 continue hitting next session, I can anyhow have use for it.
The first session which is a loss. 294 units loss.
The total plus for the sessions are a bit over 400.
(I played a session to wasch the red away before I closed the game!)
You can if you believe you can.
Hey ralph you will like this!
Quote from: weddings on Apr 24, 04:45 AM 2013
Hey ralph you will like this!
I see four in a row sometimes, but more often 5 to 7 of the same on the marque. If we in a few spins get hits on
12 chips the win very nice. Pls see the picture in my earlier post, where number 11 hit many times.
The best clustering I have been able to use where 9 number 5 in 21 spins, last hit had 120 Euro bet, I had to use the splits and corners as the maxbet is 50 on straight up. In such streak I run as long as possible, a last loss is much less than the previous win.
It is not allways good to stop just at new high.
let's play a litle
5 more
so if we play with 300u stop loss and ~100u stop win total result in 10 sessions would be ~+560units