;D
Hello everyone- my first posting on ur fabulous Roulette Forum.
Would anyone like to comment on the merits or otherwise, of RouletteBandit
sequencing technique?
I may have missed earlier posting/replies on this, so forgive the 'catching up' im currrently undertaking.
I read the whole download that ThomasGrant had kindly put up, and i have been curious as to whether anyone had tried it??
Good or bad- let me have ur thoughts with both barrels please!! 8)
P. S. could someone also tell me what does EC stand for with regard to betting strat??
thanx.
-Even chance
I think most ppl concluded it was a Scam
Welcome to the Forum :thumbsup:
Hi Chris.
I sent you a pm.
Glad you got here.
As for the upload.
I don't think I have even read it.
I just found it in my stash of Roulette related things I have collected over the years.
If it helps you.
Great.
MMM forum is so dead.
No relevant posts over there for weeks.
Sooo true.
too much focus on the machine codes etc.
Surprised u have not read it- (RouletteBandit), did u pay for it or got it for free?
I think its a downloaded e-book that has to be bought.
Oh he paid alright :thumbsup:
Welcome to the family Chris,
I personally haven't tried the sequencing technique. Remember you can share it as long as you use your own words.
Good on Thomas for bringing you here :)
@Twis
I see!!!!!
have u ever paid for ant systems or reports??
Quote from: chrisbis on Sep 13, 12:58 PM 2010
Sooo true.
too much focus on the machine codes etc.
Surprised you have not read it- (RouletteBandit), did you pay for it or got it for free?
I think its a downloaded e-book that has to be bought.
I used to get a great deal of stuff on Roulette.
Don't know how I got Roulette Bandit.
Just one of those things.
Glad you like it.
Hope it helps you win some money.
PS: Got your message.
Yeah..
It's in the download section.
Sometimes I forget what I put there.
@ F_lat_ino
thanx- take it as in EVENS ?
Yes Evens 1-1 :thumbsup:
@Tom
thanks for the availability of it Tom- not sure if i like it- it seems very confusing as u progress thro the later sequencing!!
I have yet to try it.
Just a side note for everyone here- i got offered $10 free from Golden Palace Casino on Saturday after a nice chat with online Support.
It came with no strings attatched, no deposit, and no wagering requirements.
It was a nice free gift.
I tried to bargin for more but they were not having it!! ::)
---Many are bombarded presently with these free gifts from
different casinos these days.Wonder why??????
Coz they want our Cash Flat ! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk link=topic=1306. msg11796#msg11796 date=1284398542
Coz they want our Cash Flat ! :thumbsup:
Think they would take our cash anyway- in one for or another, the point i was trying to get across was it was absolutely free money (admit was only $10) but free just the same, so some members who would like try new techn or bot out might use/try casino that they may not have tried before.
All i did was open a dialogue with a simple question to Online-Support.
Dear Chrisbis,
roulettebandit can not be said to be a pure scam but it is too vague. Difficult to use also and mostly red/black system fails in RNG and Live Dealer because it is a number which appears out of any spin and not Red or Black. I can bet and guarantee that there can not be any successful system on betting upon Red/Black or any EC. Bound to fail. Mostly R/B system applies Martingale progression, i.e., 1,2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64........If you are playing this way, the maximum that you can earn per success is $1 and whenever you will lose, it would be a loss of $127, now can u afford that loss? One loss can kill winnings of 127 successful attempts, and if u lose more times, then? Purely a waste. All frustrated roulette system writers suggest R/B systems because they feel you are having about 50% chances of winning but forget that they are leaving 19 enemies behind them.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 13, 01:22 PM 2010
Coz they want our Cash Flat ! :thumbsup:
Glad somebody agrees.Mine cash never,as don't
play there,only live-land casinos.
@F_lat_ino
What systems do u use in the Land based? R U wheel analysis type of player or the system flat bet player??
hes a scam well i think so you can get his system for free and he trys to sell it at Ã,£50
ive checked his system with the free one and he trys to say its not the right one question him hard and he gets angry his picture with his car dont even really match his voice
what a joker
Quote from: albalaha on Sep 13, 01:29 PM 2010
Dear Chrisbis,
roulettebandit can not be said to be a pure scam but it is too vague. Difficult to use also and mostly red/black system fails in RNG and Live Dealer because it is a number which appears out of any spin and not Red or Black. I can bet and guarantee that there can not be any successful system on betting upon Red/Black or any EC. Bound to fail. Mostly R/B system applies Martingale progression, i.e., 1,2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64........If you are playing this way, the maximum that you can earn per success is $1 and whenever you will lose, it would be a loss of $127, now can you afford that loss? One loss can kill winnings of 127 successful attempts, and if you lose more times, then? Purely a waste. All frustrated roulette system writers suggest R/B systems because they feel you are having about 50% chances of winning but forget that they are leaving 19 enemies behind them.
----You Ali-Baba haven't got the clue what you are talking about.
It is very obvious you aren't accustomed to secrets of E/C playings,
and you only see it as a martingale approach,but you kind of ignore en prison rules
applied here in EU,and advantage of such play.
Quote from: chrisbis on Sep 13, 03:25 PM 2010
@F_lat_ino
What systems do you use in the land-based? R U wheel analysis type of player or the system flat bet player??
E/C on En Prison tables./if zero spuns either lose half/if you wish so/or leave the full
stake for the next spin....if zero spun again you lose....if you win,you only get your
stake back,without any actual winnings.
Dear Flat_Ino,
Please do not start all that again. Give your opinion here and do not get too personal. I am not gonna show here my roulette expertise, but whatever I said regarding EC betting and systems relating to it is ground reality. En prison and la partage can't safeguard you totally. Suppose you are playing Red/Black, any combination of Red/Black eventually fails, be it RRRRRR or BBBBBB or BBRRBB OR BRBRBR or BBBRRR or any other possible combination ultimately ends with all the earnings that you could get by its opposite results itself, even if we do not talk about zero. EC bets are the most dangerous ones.
Quote from: albalaha on Sep 13, 03:49 PM 2010
Dear Flat_Ino,
Please do not start all that again. Give your opinion here and do not get too personal. I am not gonna show here my roulette expertise, but whatever I said regarding EC betting and systems relating to it is ground reality. En prison and la partage can't safeguard you totally. Suppose you are playing Red/Black, any combination of Red/Black eventually fails, be it RRRRRR or BBBBBB or BBRRBB OR BRBRBR or BBBRRR or any other possible combination ultimately ends with all the earnings that you could get by its opposite results itself, even if we do not talk about zero. EC bets are the most dangerous ones.
--Wrong as usual.EC bets are safest and most profitable
for those who know how.
OK !
Full Time
Its a 1-1 Draw
Let it sleep :thumbsup:
Hey!! I was just enjoying the Gladitorial Spectacle opening before us!! (clean style)
Seconds out, round three gentlemen please!!!
OK, as referee, F_lat_ino, how do u progress ur EC style bets/technique?
And y do u promote them as a good method of winning?
And Mr Albalaha= what is ur absolute prefered method of winning at the roulette wheel??
Dear Chrisbis,
Many of the players of this forum including Mr J has experienced even 14 reds in a row and similarly alternating R/B can be seen in plenty. In such case, you are bound to lose. Hence, instead of playing EC, play secot betting. It is not necessary that you use traditionally three sectors viz, voisins, tiers and orphanilis. you can divide the wheel in three or four parts and even two parts.
Quote from: chrisbis on Sep 13, 04:12 PM 2010
Hey!! I was just enjoying the Gladitorial Spectacle opening before us!! (clean style)
Seconds out, round three gentlemen please!!!
OK, as referee, F_lat_ino, how do you progress your EC style bets/technique?
And why do you promote them as a good method of winning?
And Mr Albalaha= what is your absolute prefered method of winning at the roulette wheel??
--Depends on what method I'm playing/as have few diff.approaches/
---you can study --Randomness versus Randomnes--thread,and maybe will find out
some of the secrets involved.Cause you can never lose your BR /as ALBAL.suggests/
playing these,cause these are very much more predictable for experienced player,and cause neither do you need any bots,pencils,spreadsheets or any other abrlakadabrlaka to come out to be a winner on the long term.Thats my unswer regarding my bets.
As for albalaha unswer I think you will have to PM him---as he doesn't contribute
openly here,but pssssstt.--can't tell you end of the story.
Thanx u guys for helping this newbie here.
im still sytudying the fine art of roulette and all its intricateces, only been here few days, tho there is one thing which fasinates me a great deal- of all the graphes i have seen here and on other forums/sites, the win/loss graph wave is so repeatative, such that i would have thought it possible to design either a bot or a precise sytem to beat any wheel/RNG since they are all cyclic in form.
I'll find a graph from somewhere and post on here to illustrate.
Welcome, Chrisbis.
Mate, STAY AWAY FROM RNG.
It's software. Specially written software to ensure you lose. Not just me saying that, by the way.
Now you know why that 'free cash' you got excited about was offered to you. A lure to suck you in. So don't be a sucker!!
REAL roulette involves a wheel and a ball. (Where there's a wheel there's a way.)
So if you play online make sure it's LIVE roulette you're playing -- NOT RNG.
I think Thomas has won a substantial amount with RNG using one of his roulette bots . Correct me if I'm wrong Thomas.
All RNG's are not bad and manipulated. Play with a reputed casino and proper technique you would win regularly even on RNGs. But RNG gives little more unpredictable results since it just picks a number and throws while in live wheel, a ball has to pass certain pockets before landing somewhere, this is the only difference between a genuine RNG and live wheel.
Quote from: furple on Sep 13, 08:24 PM 2010
I think Thomas has won a substantial amount with RNG using one of his roulette bots . Correct me if I'm wrong Thomas.
Correct.
I have won money with MMM.
Roulette Bot Pro.
and
Super Roulette.
Thomas, what one is MMM ?
Cheers bud :thumbsup:
Quote from: esoito on Sep 13, 07:47 PM 2010
Welcome, Chrisbis.
Mate, STAY AWAY FROM RNG.
It's software. Specially written software to ensure you lose. Not just me saying that, by the way.
I disagree. I've won consistently on RNG. This is a very old debate and will probably never go away, but all those who dismiss RNG as being designed to ensure you always lose never give any specific evidence that this is the case. The assumption is that because it's easier for them to cheat you (because you can't actually see the ball and wheel in front of you) then they MUST be doing it, even though there are compelling reasons (not to mention logistic issues) which indicate that it's rather unlikely they would do it, especially if they are a well known company (such as any of the 'big name' UK bookies).
Most of the so called "evidence" is anecdotal and is usually something like "I lost all my money playing RNG, so they must be cheating!" Well big surprise, many people often lose playing roulette!
I'm not saying that crooked OCs don't exist - they do. But I'd love to see some specific evidence that they cheat in the way most people are suggesting. Whenever I play at an online I keep a record of the spins and do a statistical analysis (a test for randomness). I have NEVER seen anything which makes me suspect that outcomes are being "fixed" to make me lose.
QuoteI have NEVER seen anything which makes me suspect that outcomes are being "fixed" to make me lose
Me neither, before playing any new method I always run it through RXtreme, if it fails there it will fail on an RNG casino too, now, put your hand up if you think RXtreme cheats too, lol
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 14, 03:17 AM 2010
Thomas, what one is MMM ?
Cheers bud :thumbsup:
Ohh, that was the first Casino tool I purchased.
Well, not 100% sure about that. I may have got Roulette Sniper before or after.
Anyway. It was called MMM or Money Maker Machine.
It was a very basic martingale progression.
Playing on Red or Black.
On RNG. Zero would kill ya.
Or at least knock your bank balance down a bit.
I think it is called RBS now. Or Red Black System.
It played on many playtech casinos.
It was the only tool at the time that did.
You needed a bank of $256 to play.
And with $1 that did not give you a lot of room to move.
1,
2,
4,
8,
16,
32,
64,
128,
256...
MMM improve a little over time.
But not a great deal.
I kept pestering the Admin for improvements.
There are now new tools from MMM.
RSS Pro. The software that I am using to build my bot.
Very easy to use.
Apparently Admin is looking for sponsors to help him fund his projects.
And one of those is RSS Pro for Live Casinos.
I mentioned that I might be able to assist.
But due to circumstances.
Like getting hospitalised.
It may take me some time to raise $100 or $150
So that is MMM.
Here is a link for it.
link:://:.money-maker-machine.com/forum/index.php?referredby=73 (link:://:.money-maker-machine.com/forum/index.php?referredby=73)
And here is a list of products he has.
link:://:.money-maker-machine.com/products.htm (link:://:.money-maker-machine.com/products.htm)
I think I have a few of them.
But never use them.
Just don't like them any more.
Don't like the look.
Or how they work.
The only one that I have any interest in. Is RSS Pro.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 14, 04:09 AM 2010
I disagree. I've won consistently on RNG. This is a very old debate and will probably never go away, but all those who dismiss RNG as being designed to ensure you always lose never give any specific evidence that this is the case. The assumption is that because it's easier for them to cheat you (because you can't actually see the ball and wheel in front of you) then they MUST be doing it, even though there are compelling reasons (not to mention logistic issues) which indicate that it's rather unlikely they would do it, especially if they are a well known company (such as any of the 'big name' UK bookies).
Most of the so called "evidence" is anecdotal and is usually something like "I lost all my money playing RNG, so they must be cheating!" Well big surprise, many people often lose playing roulette!
I'm not saying that crooked OCs don't exist - they do. But I'd love to see some specific evidence that they cheat in the way most people are suggesting. Whenever I play at an online I keep a record of the spins and do a statistical analysis (a test for randomness). I have NEVER seen anything which makes me suspect that outcomes are being "fixed" to make me lose.
I agree 100%, i myself am an RNG player using programs that i wrote, and have won
on an overall basis. This would not be possible on a forced outcome device.
Hmmm...interesting observations on RNG.
Why, then, do various commentators across the web note that when they run their system(s) on the 'play money' option they seem to lose less than when they play with real money?
Many here must have noticed that.
As a partial explanation, I recall reading an article/post some while ago (sorry -- can't recall where) written by a programmer. He said 'play money' and 'real money' used different algorithms!!
He expanded on the theme. And, without actually stating it outright, he made it pretty clear the 'real money' program was...well, 'tweaked', to put it kindly.
Hence my well-intended warning to our new member earlier on, and my advice to stick to 'live' play.
I still think that's correct and sensible advice for a newcomer, and I won't resile from taking that responsible position. (Actually, if I was really responsible, I'd tell him not to play roulette at all !!! But that's another story...)
Perhaps those who've posted above that they've found 'good' RNGs could let the forum know which specific ones.
@Bayes
You use special software to check number distributions etc. Very good.
Could let us know where to find it, or even make it available to the forum?
I heard of it and it sounds interesting. Would love some feedback from actual users
Roulette Bandit sequence is available here in download section..
Its quite hard to play with as there's a lot of time waiting for the next sequence to arrive.
...
By the way chaps, i have just bought my second Bot.
...Roulette Bot Pro V.3..................USD$45
On sale now via email sent to me.
PM me if anyone else wants details (im not the seller!!.. nor an affilliate!!)
Hope this does break to code on selling VLS
I will evaluate the Bot, like Tom (Thomas Grant) is doing and feed back to members here the results.
Its going to be a busy time now!! Must win my money back first-off!!
I don't believe in bots but I will surely believe your testimonials chris. Had it been so easy to defeat roulette with a bot of $45 only, everybody will become winner. I have used roulettesniper, roulettekiller and RBet, all are failures and cheats. Will await you winning story. It would be great if you could have some screenshots of your changing(increasing) bankrolls or even better if you could make a video of your game.All the best Chris
Cheers AL.
Might need some suggestions of what good software to use to capture my play.
One thing i would say bout the new Bot (V.3) (and i didn't have prev versions by-the-way),
is the range of difference systems and options u can choose.
I have been testing it for bout a week now- some real play- real money, and some JUST FOR FUN and like all systems, it wins and losses.
The losses mainly do to that good old fashioned need for greed on my part- setting the stop loss to low, or even switching it off altogether just to watch it play right down to the wire!!
Its main attributes seem to be- SLEEPERS, SUPER SLEEPERS and REVERSE SLEEPERS.
Its also got a complex maths system, but that will be much later in the day.
The range of selectable options is very inpressive.
More later chaps, i have togo to work now and build!!
Chris
Camastasia studio is the best suited software for recording the video. If you need a pirated one for free, email me.
Quote from: esoito on Sep 14, 07:41 PM 2010
@Bayes
You use special software to check number distributions etc. Very good.
Could let us know where to find it, or even make it available to the forum?
There is some here: link:://:.fourmilab.ch/random/ (link:://:.fourmilab.ch/random/)
But unfortunately it won't accept numbers, only "bits" and "bytes". I've got around that by converting the spins to 0 and 1, so that the numbers represent a stream of EC outcomes (since that's what I play most of the time). This isn't very satisfactory, but there doesn't seem to be any software available which will analyse roulette spins as numbers (a set of equally 37 equally likely numbers). I've contacted the proprietor of random.org to ask him. If there isn't any such software available, it would be a nice project to write it myself.
Has someone recently put this Roulette Bandit Sequence into a Bot somewhere?
Have they? ???
Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 08, 01:12 AM 2011
Has someone recently put this Roulette Bandit Sequence into a Bot somewhere?
Have they? ???
Yes. Roulette Assault.
Does it come with its own batteries Esoito....................................?
Making it............Roulette.......Assault & Battery :D :P
:-*
I tried Roulette Bandit tecnique and lost with it too. it was on playtech real mode RNG
Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 08, 01:32 AM 2011
Does it come with its own batteries Esoito....................................?
Making it............Roulette.......Assault & Battery :D :P
:-*
Are you making a bot?
Now theres a thought, battery .............. bot
are you making a bot
Don't they get made in botteries ??
Quote from: Fast Bucks on Sep 14, 03:47 PM 2010
I agree 100%, I myself am an RNG player using programs that I wrote, and have won
on an overall basis. This would not be possible on a forced outcome device.
I myself too. cheers
Roulette bandit is a complete failure. Indeed any type of EC playing with Martingale is bound to fail.
Have U studied Roulette Bandits unique EC sequencing technique then Sumi?
Just wondered?
Yes offcourse.
And so, what would U say was the main thrust of the whole
System*, then Given Its unique formate? (*Roulette Bandit)
Is it Tracking?
Is it Triggers?
or
Is it Martingale Progression?
And...... How would U sum up is a nutshell, for Newbie's like myself,
and for the vast array of Guests dropping in this fine early Sunday morning,
why Roulette Bandit, is NOT the EC system for U?
(Newbie in this context, is someone who bows their
head to Ur considerable experience in playing the game of Roulette)
I wrote a simulation to test the system about a year ago (it was a loser). It's based on the so called "law of series" which says that in an even chance, there will half as many series of 2 as singles, half as many series of 3 as series of 2, half as many series of 4 as series of 3, etc.
It's basically a sleeper type system; you track the individual series (singles, series of 2, series of 3...) until a particular series is "behind" relative to its expectation, then start betting that it will show. It's fairly complex and the tracking is a nightmare - it's just not worth the effort.
The recommended progression is a 5 step martingale.
QuoteIt's basically a sleeper type system; you track the individual series (singles, series of 2, series of 3...) until a particular series is "behind" relative to its expectation, then start betting that it will show. It's fairly complex and the tracking is a nightmare - it's just not worth the effort
Yes I put this into a bot atleast a year ago, still have the bot, it counts series works out whats behind then makes a decision, it fails eventually, reason I think is because you can never accuratly predict over what period of spins the series belong to, probably not a clear description but you should get the point. If I remember correctly, it can be as wild as single number sleepers, you could be tracking for a long long time before you think series of 4 are behind only to get hit by a chop sequence.
I did the same test on ALL ec's and not one of them was any better than the other, it still ended in high progression and eventual failure.
Dear Chris,
I think Bayes and Superman have answered it very well. I do not consider you to be a newbie and myself an expert. It is a game of negative expectation and Martingale goes just opposite it hence lose sooner or later. Neither Martingale nor flat betting can overcome the odds of this game. Triggers, proper bet selection and sensible progression alongwith stop loss point and loss recovery can overcome this evil. All of us are trying in our own ways to fight the odds of this toughest form of gambling. I am not perfect but seeking perfection.
The seller says he will give a refund provided you show a sequence where the system fails. I wasn't worried about that since I didn't pay for it, and I don't know whether he honours the guarantee, but I imagine most hopeful punters will either make mistakes in the tracking (if they even understand how to play it in the first place) or not bother at all - so I don't imagine he gets many refund requests. >:(
Several people have asked about this system. Perhaps we could have a section so people can contribute their experiences with commercial systems, something like "Known Scams".
Let's keep the scammers hungry!
Have you tried version, which is embedded in the roulette assault?