I posted this in "money management" but it should be posted here.
I just tried some bet combinations on Roulette X and the following seems to be very interesting.
I put 1 unit on a dozen and 1 unit on a double street ( from the other 2 dozens ), when I am on a new high, I start at 1 unit again. When lose I ad i unit to both. The bet selection was totaly random.
I played 2 sessions, 415 spins doubled my bankrol from 500 to 1005
Later I played a short session of 52 spins with a 51 unit profit. This sessions was very bad because in 52 spins I only hit the double street 5 times but still I was in profit.
What do you guys think about this kind of playing? I noticed that playing the dozen is like a little safety net, and when you hit the double street you always recover.
That's like playing almost half the board except that you have this advantage when the double street hits. Not bad of an idea to mess around with.
The progression needs to be explained alittle bit more?
After how many losses you bet 2u?..... and you stay at 2u bet? What if the losses continue, you get a bad streak?
How you handle that?
I tried +1 bet for each two losses in a row, and stay on that level until recovery.....
This is similar to "My way or the highway" betting on 3 doublestreets covering 18 numbers.
Perhaps this bet is better: 1 doz and 1 doublestreet. Only 2u bet...
I like it, I've played it, and i know it works (with the right progression!)
Hi eddy!
We'll put us to the table? ;)
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 09, 01:47 AM 2013
The progression needs to be explained alittle bit more?
After how many losses you bet 2u?..... and you stay at 2u bet? What if the losses continue, you get a bad streak?
How you handle that?
I tried +1 bet for each two losses in a row, and stay on that level until recovery.....
This is similar to "My way or the highway" betting on 3 doublestreets covering 18 numbers.
Perhaps this bet is better: 1 doz and 1 doublestreet. Only 2u bet...
I like it, I've played it, and i know it works (with the right progression!)
The progession is very easy, just ad 1 unit to both if you're not at a new high. Sometimes you can lower your bet if you are very close to a new high but the bet is high. For example your high is 510 units and you are on 505 with a bet of 20. In that situation you can lower your bet.
A bad streak doesn't kill you. The dozen bet slows everything down and 1 or 2 hits on your DS and you're fully recovered. Look at my 2nd session, it was very bad but still 1 hit on the DS and I was 51 in profit.
Hi eddy,
I do similar idea but just started playing daily sessions of 5 games where I bet EC and doublestreet (Line) combo. Total 24 numbers bet.
A result of +3 or more ends a game. And bear in mind this can occur in just 1 single spin.
On each loss I increase the EC bet by +1. Only after a set of 2 consecutive losses is the LINE bet also increased by +1.
Bet Selection is easy peasy and one of my trusted favourites derived from my "Line Combo Bet" and "Atlantis Dozens":
If last number is RO or BE then bet HIGH and LINE 3 (13-18)
If last number is BO or RE then bet LOW and LINE 4 (19-24)
Live dealer or live autowheel only. Single 0.
[reveal]
Todays Live Continuous Session of 14 consecutive games
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8 bet 2H and 1Line3 +0
18 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
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27 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -3
13 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 -1
29 L3 bet 3L and 1Line4 -4
4 w2 bet 2H and 1Line3 -2
7 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -5
16 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 -3
8 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 -2
36 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 -1
24 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
15 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +5* target
========================
3 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
13 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +4* target
========================
21 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +3* target
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13 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
========================
12 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
13 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
22 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
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23 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
26 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
0 L3 -1 wait for real number
35 bet 3L and 1Line4
14 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
23 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +4* target
=========================
31 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
14 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
23 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
=========================
19 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
34 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
24 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
=========================
24 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
20 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
1 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -1
28 w2 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
23 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
7 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -1
6 L4 bet 4H and 2Line3 -5
18 w6 bet 3L and 1Line4 +1
16 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
==========================
32 L3 bet 3L and 1 Line4 -3
21 w2 bet 2H and 1Line3 -1
16 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
18 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3 * target
==========================
15 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
2 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
4 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -1
0 L4 -5 wait for real number
36 bet 4L and 2Line4
17 w2 bet 3L and 1Line4 -3
17 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 -1
13 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +0
11 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
19 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +4* target
=========================
23 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
29 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
18 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
=========================
10 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
36 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
19 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
==========================
Profit = +55pts in 60 spins. :)
I play 0.10 chips so that is £5.50 GBP
[/reveal]
Best wishes,
Atlantis.
Excellent breakdown of your method Atlantis
Simple yet frighteningly effective
24 numbers bet ????----how come.
Quote from: teo on Jun 09, 06:10 PM 2013
24 numbers bet ??? ?----how come.
It's 2u bet. With right progression it will work.... I know, playing with 3 doublestreets 18 numbers bet will also work "My way or the Highway" ......... Atlantis system is a little more slow, but safer, and the progression will not go very far...
in normal cases
Atlantis
Thanks for this easy peasy system. I jumped over to Dublin and made 19 easy peasy dollars while trying to figure out how to chart it.
Yep, very easy once you get the hang of it.
Sam
+15 units with real Money in 30 spins
Nice! ;)
agesta
im having a c***tail but i think this is great--a 2/1 or 5/1 payout make bad things good things very fast
+31 units in 57 spins! :D
Hi Atlantis
Thanks for sharing this great system. I tried it on airball and it works nicely as well
+ 25 units.
I have a couple of questions if I may. What is the maximum LLLL's have you ever had
in a row.....? What is the highest progression on H/L and on lines have you had.......?
Cheers
Chris
Hi,
Good to hear that some are enjoying a little success with this method.
Just a few notes on my 24 number version...
Red Odd and Black Even numbers: We make the bet to cover the 2 dozens that encompass the lines that do NOT contain ANY of these numbers. (13-18 and 31-36)
Therefore the bet to be made is HIGH and LINE 3 (13-18) as already stated.
Red Even and Black Odd numbers: We make the bet to cover the 2 dozens that encompass the lines that do NOT contain ANY of these numbers. (1-6 and 19-24)
Therefore the bet is LOW and LINE 4 (19-24) as already stated.
====
An extra factor that can be incorporated is to invoke the below rule which was activated in my other systems that included this selection criteria and that is:
ALL bets are only made after a SINGLE formation or occurrence of ANY of the ECs: RO, RE, BE, BO
FOR EXAMPLE - if an EC combo repeats (on a win or a loss) then the betting is suspended until a new type occurs...
e.g.. If you get BO followed by BO - wait for a new BE or a RO or a RE ec combo to hit before immediately re-commencing betting as described above.
It's not entirely necessary to do this when betting 24 numbers - but I found that it can pay dividends by preventing damaging sequential repeat losses occurring. It won't stop all loss scenarios of course; but still worth considering as a protection measure esp. if playing with higher stakes...
EXAMPLE LIVE SESSION TODAY
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12 bet 2L and 1L4 +0
34 L3 wait for next spin -3 (repeat RE combo)
29 bet 3L and 1L4 (would have been loser)
32 L4 bet 4L and 2L4 -7
2 w2 bet 3H and 1L3 -5
28 w2 wait for next spin -3 (repeat BE combo)
16 bet 2L and 1L4 (would have been winner)
23 w3 bet 2H and 1L3 +0
28 w1 bet 2H and 1L3 +1
13 w3 bet 2L and 1L4 +4* target
========================
***corrected*** - A
Chris, I have not gone beyond '6L and 3Line' in any of my 32 games so far - surely must be good luck I suspect! :)
A.
Hi Atlantis
That's great mate and thanks for the other tweak.
The maximum loosing streak I've had is LLLL's, it's very rare
and it was on airball. The hit rate of this system is just amazing,
one of the very best system I've seen.
It would be interesting to see the longest LLLL's that other
members have seen playing this system........ ;)
It's may be the Dnhg.
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: Chris555p on Jun 10, 06:28 AM 2013
Hi Atlantis
That's great mate and thanks for the other tweak.
The maximum losing streak I've had is LLLL's, it's very rare
and it was on airball. The hit rate of this system is just amazing,
one of the very best system I've seen.
It would be interesting to see the longest LLLL's that other
members have seen playing this system........ ;)
It's may be the Dnhg.
Cheers
Chris
Even en long LLLLLL streak doesn't matter, as long as you hit the DS.
Hi EDDY, you said: "The bet selection was totaly random."
How do you do it?
Ricardo
hey atlantis.
tried to replay your system, but i failed :o
how would you play this?
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| 11 |
| 36 |
| 24 |
| 2 |
| 11 |
| 25 |
| 24 |
| 27 |
| 1 |
| 35 |
| 27 |
| 1 |
| 15 |
| 32 |
| 7 |
| 17 |
| Tisch: Tisch 7 (am. Roulette) |
| Datum: 09.04.2013 |
thank you.
Quote from: rbayehb on Jun 10, 12:32 PM 2013
Hi EDDY, you said: "The bet selection was totaly random."
How do you do it?
Ricardo
I just checked the spins and chose a dozen and a DS that didn't hit a few times. Nothing special.
I think the money management is the key for this kind of playing, not the bet selection.
I did a few more tests and I changed the bets a little bit. I started 2 units on the dozen and 1 on a double street. If you win one of the 2 bets without reaching a new high, bet the same number of units. If you lose both bets, raise both with one unit, if you win both or one and you reach a new high............ start at the original 2-1 again.
Just won another $40.00 playing this easy peasy system.
I don't believe in going virtual; I just play each spin.
I had three 0s in one progression which cause me to pucker, but it all came out in the end.
Thanks, A. I may have to bot this idea..
Sam
Hi RFMAXX,
Agreed these are losing numbers and below is best I could do + using brake after EC combo repeat....
I had similar session today also causing a loss of about -22
So need to think more how to deal with it :( :(
Any ideas? Or is this going nowhere?
1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +0
0 L-3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -3
3 L-4 wait for next spin -7 (2xRO)
11 bet 4L and 2Line4
36 L-6 bet 5L and 2Line4 -13
24 w+5 bet 4L and 2Line3 -8
2 L-6 wait for next spin -14 (2xBE)
11 bet 5L and 2Line4
25 L-7 bet 6H and 2Line3 -21
24 w+4 bet 5H and 2Line3 -17
27 w+3 bet 4H and 2Line3 -14
1 L-6 wait for next spin -20 (2xRO)
35 bet 5H and 2Line3
27 w+3 bet 4H and 2Line3 -17
1 L-6 wait for next spin -23 (2xRO)
15 bet 5L and 2Line4
32 L-7 bet 6L and 3Line4 -30
7 w+3 bet 5H and 2Line3 -27
17 w+5 bet 4H and 2Line4 -22
-22
UPDATE:
A possible improvement:
The line bet is always HALF the amount of the EC bet.
Start with 1u on EC + 0.5u on LINE.
If LOSE A SPIN then continue play at SAME LEVEL until a HIT - then if behind increase EC by 1u and LINE by 0.5
If WIN A SPIN and level or ahead then decrease to starting level (1u on EC + 0.5u on LINE)
If WIN A SPIN and not level or ahead continue at SAME LEVEL.
Played Wiesbaden session:
382 spins. +123.5
Highest bet 9uEC + 4.5uLINE
Using same selection method.
I have twist for U guys...........I just know Atlantis will take a look at it.
It originates from a bot I had made a couple of years ago, to replace the Three Dozen bet (if U remember that!)
In principal, its the same type of bet, as the 1 Dozen + 1 Double Street.
What this twist does, is, given that the best outcome of the bet is a spin that lands on the Lines component of the 'bet' design, is to intensify the outcome when the Lines bet is hit.
What we do, is multiple.
Yes, its higher risk..............in fact much higher.
And although we are covering more of the table (now covering 66%- ie. 2 Dozens), the loss of chips when we do not win, is much higher...(x 3 factor increased loses)
Here is the twist.........
Total bet goes up to 6 units(chips), made up from 3 units on the chosen Dozen, (say Dozen 1 in our example), and 1 unit x 3 on the lines contained within a another dozen.
Say, we bet 3 units on Dozen 1
+
1 unit on Line 3 (covers 13-18)
+
1 unit on Line 3/4 (covers 16-21)
+
1 unit on Line 4 (covers 19-24)
Total units = 6
see table example below. (also shown is the same bet using the coverage on 3rd Dozen)
The beauty in this twist, is the bonus payout if the winning spin lands in the Dual Lines bet (covered with the 1 unit on say Line 3 and the 1 unit on Line 3/4...(16,17,18))*
(* equally, same outcome if the spin lands in:- 1 unit on Line 3/4 and 1 unit on Line 4.....(19,20,21))
Of course..there are variations.
Here is a couple of them, still using the same Dozen 1 .
I'm just moving the special "Lines" bet along the road so2speak. :P
Only 1 change: When the EC reaches 5, raise line to 2 whether or not there has been two Ls in a row.
Up about 70E
Sam
Sam
well done, which sort of casino...? Live or the usual betvoyager if u don't mind me asking....
2CatSam what system are you Playing? K
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 11, 09:52 AM 2013
Only 1 change: When the EC reaches 5, raise line to 2 whether or not there has been two Ls in a row.
Up about 70E
Sam
Hi TwoCatSam, Chrisbis, eddy, RFMAXX, Chris and anyone else I forget who watches this thread,
Another similar but very interesting idea.... Play 1 EC(either H or L), 1 other DOZ not included in EC bet, and any 1 COL.
I prefer this bet: LOW + D3 + C3 combination. Same selections betted EVERY spin. It doesn't get much more easy-peasier!
+1 on loss
-1 on win
* = Reset all bets to 1u when level or ahead.
These are genuine live autowheel results:
#Spun LOW D3 C3 +0 NextBet
========================================
1 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +3* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
29 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +2 1-2-2
31 L1 w2 L2 +1 2-1-3
3 w2 L1 w4 +6* 1-1-1
17 w1 L1 L1 +5 1-2-2
35 L1 w4 L2 +6* 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +8* 1-1-1
22 L1 L1 L1 +5 2-2-2
29 L2 w4 L2 +5 3-1-3
27 L3 w2 w6 +10* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +10* 1-1-1
6 w1 L2 w2 +11* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
7 w1 L1 w2 +11* 1-1-1
13 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
9 w1 L1 w4 +14* 1-1-1
14 w1 L1 L1 +13 1-2-2
24 L1 L2 w4 +16* 1-1-1
30 L1 w2 w2 +19* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +19* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +18 1-2-2
36 L1 w4 w4 +25* 1-1-1
10 w1 L1 L1 +24 1-2-2
1 w1 L2 L2 +27* 1-1-1
28 L1 w1 L1 +26 2-1-2
2 w2 L1 L2 +25 1-2-3
15 w1 L2 w6 +30* 1-1-1
35 L1 w2 L1 +30* 1-1-1
3 w1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
21 L1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
19 L1 L1 L1 +29* 2-2-2
12 w2 L2 w4 +33* 1-1-1
+33u profit in 35 spins.
Table Corrected! Apologies for error.
Recommend you give this a try.
Have fun with it - - I most certainly did!!
:) :)
Regards, Atlantis.
Gents
I am playing the system outlined by Atlantis. It's four of five posts down, but here it is again:
RO BE......Bet high and line 3
BO..RE......Bet low and line 4
For each true loss---all chips disappear---raise EC by one. Two L's in a row, raise EC by one and line by one.
Exception? When there would be a push...5 on EC and 1 on line, I bet 5 and 3. No need for a push...
I am playing Dublin Table 1 and am up about 130 Euro. My biggest DD has been less than $50. I can scan my next worksheet if anyone wants.
Sam
Hi Atlantis / Sam
Atlantis - Thanks for putting the latest strategy; I will alternate it with the
first strategy when playing on rng like this it would throw some
confusion on Mr Casino in case they try to identify betting pattern
to make players' loose etc......
Sam - Thanks for the info, yes please scan your worksheet if it is oki with u.
Cheers
Chris
Yes pls Sam................. (worksheet request)
OK, on my next trot....
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 11, 03:54 PM 2013
Hi TwoCatSam, Chrisbis, eddy, RFMAXX, Chris and anyone else I forget who watches this thread,
Another similar but very interesting idea.... Play 1 EC(either H or L), 1 other DOZ not included in EC bet, and any 1 COL.
I prefer this bet: LOW + D3 + C3 combination. Same selections betted EVERY spin. It doesn't get much more easy-peasier!
+1 on loss
-1 on win
* = Reset all bets to 1u when level or ahead.
These are genuine live autowheel results:
#Spun LOW D3 C3 +0 NextBet
========================================
1 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +3* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
29 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +2 1-2-2
31 L1 w2 L2 +1 2-1-3
3 w2 L1 w4 +6* 1-1-1
17 w1 L1 L1 +5 1-2-2
35 L1 w4 L2 +6* 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +8* 1-1-1
22 L1 L1 L1 +5 2-2-2
29 L2 w4 L2 +5 3-1-3
27 L3 w2 w6 +10* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +10* 1-1-1
6 w1 L2 w2 +11* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
7 w1 L1 w2 +11* 1-1-1
13 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
9 w1 L1 w4 +14* 1-1-1
14 w1 L1 L1 +13 1-2-2
24 L1 L2 w4 +16* 1-1-1
30 L1 w2 w2 +19* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +19* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +18 1-2-2
36 L1 w4 w4 +25* 1-1-1
10 w1 L1 L1 +24 1-2-2
1 w1 L2 L2 +27* 1-1-1
28 L1 w1 L1 +26 2-1-2
2 w2 L1 L2 +25 1-2-3
15 w1 L2 w6 +30* 1-1-1
35 L1 w2 L1 +30* 1-1-1
3 w1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
21 L1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
19 L1 L1 L1 +29* 2-2-2
12 w2 L2 w4 +33* 1-1-1
+33u profit in 35 spins.
Table Corrected! Apologies for error.
Recommend you give this a try.
Have fun with it - - I most certainly did!!
:) :)
Regards, Atlantis.
Hi Atlantis I am liking the new system. I can't seem to get to grips with the progression though. If we are ahead reset. however you are ahead on number 17 but playing 1-2-2?
Many Thanks Koolkat
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 11, 03:54 PM 2013
Hi TwoCatSam, Chrisbis, eddy, RFMAXX, Chris and anyone else I forget who watches this thread,
Another similar but very interesting idea.... Play 1 EC(either H or L), 1 other DOZ not included in EC bet, and any 1 COL.
I prefer this bet: LOW + D3 + C3 combination. Same selections betted EVERY spin. It doesn't get much more easy-peasier!
+1 on loss
-1 on win
* = Reset all bets to 1u when level or ahead.
These are genuine live autowheel results:
#Spun LOW D3 C3 +0 NextBet
========================================
1 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +3* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
29 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +2 1-2-2
31 L1 w2 L2 +1 2-1-3
3 w2 L1 w4 +6* 1-1-1
17 w1 L1 L1 +5 1-2-2
35 L1 w4 L2 +6* 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +8* 1-1-1
22 L1 L1 L1 +5 2-2-2
29 L2 w4 L2 +5 3-1-3
27 L3 w2 w6 +10* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +10* 1-1-1
6 w1 L2 w2 +11* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
7 w1 L1 w2 +11* 1-1-1
13 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
9 w1 L1 w4 +14* 1-1-1
14 w1 L1 L1 +13 1-2-2
24 L1 L2 w4 +16* 1-1-1
30 L1 w2 w2 +19* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +19* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +18 1-2-2
36 L1 w4 w4 +25* 1-1-1
10 w1 L1 L1 +24 1-2-2
1 w1 L2 L2 +27* 1-1-1
28 L1 w1 L1 +26 2-1-2
2 w2 L1 L2 +25 1-2-3
15 w1 L2 w6 +30* 1-1-1
35 L1 w2 L1 +30* 1-1-1
3 w1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
21 L1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
19 L1 L1 L1 +29* 2-2-2
12 w2 L2 w4 +33* 1-1-1
+33u profit in 35 spins.
Table Corrected! Apologies for error.
Recommend you give this a try.
Have fun with it - - I most certainly did!!
:) :)
Regards, Atlantis.
Hi Atlantis, I am liking the new system. I can't seem to get to grips with the progression. Reset when ahead? On you example above you are ahead at number 17 but playing 1-2-2? Many Thanks Koolkat
Hi KoolKat,
I need to revise that progression I think.... Could be dangerous with sleepers - but I have an idea.
I will post later with some bad numbers and a suggestion to deal with this. :)
A.
Hi KoolKat,
Below is my suggested improvement:
[reveal]
Changed the progression to be SAFER....
+1 on a WIN - stay at 2u until loss
Back to 1u on a loss.
No bet higher than 2units!
* = Reset when level or ahead.
Here are same Live autowheel results as previous:
#Spun LOW D3 C3 +0 NextBet
========================================
1 1-1-1 first bet always 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +3* 1-1-1 ahead so stay at 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L2 +2 1-2-1 d3 won but still behind so 1-2-1
29 L1 w4 L1 +5* 1-1-1 d3 won and ahead so reset to 1-1-1
5 w1 L2 L1 +4 2-1-1 LOW won but still behind so 2-1-1
31 L2 w2 L1 +3 1-2-1 LOW lost D3 won and C3 lost; behind so 1-2-1
3 w2 L2 w2 +5* 1-1-1
17 w2 L1 L2 +4 2-1-1
35 L2 w2 L1 +3 1-2-1
12 w1 L2 w2 +4 2-1-2
22 L2 L1 L2 -1 1-1-1
29 L1 w2 L1 -1 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +2 1-2-2
28 L1 w4 L2 +3 1-2-1
6 w1 L2 w2 +4 2-1-2
7 w2 L1 w4 +9* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +11* 1-1-1
13 w1 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
9 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
14 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
24 L2 w2 w2 +12* 1-1-1
30 L1 w2 w2 +15* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +16* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +15 2-1-1
36 L2 w2 w2 +17* 1-1-1
10 w1 L1 L1 +16 2-1-1
1 w2 L1 L1 +16 2-1-1
28 L2 w2 L1 +15 1-2-1
2 w1 L2 L1 +13 2-1-1
15 w2 L2 L1 +12 2-1-1
35 L2 w2 L1 +11 1-2-1
3 w1 L2 w2 +12 2-1-2
21 L2 L1 w4 +13 1-1-2
19 L1 L1 L1 +10 1-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +13 2-1-2
+13u profit in 35 spins.
No bet higher than 2u.
Numbers from start of dublin4000.txt spins:
#spun LOW D3 COL3 +/- Next bet
=============================================
34 1-1-1
8 w1 L1 L1 -1 2-1-1
33 L2 w2 w2 +1* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +0 2-1-1
0 L2 L1 L1 -4 1-1-1
9 w1 L1 w2 -2 2-1-2
15 w2 L1 w4 +3* 1-1-1
36 L1 w2 w2 +7* 1-1-1
8 w1 L1 L1 +6 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +9* 1-1-1
24 L1 L1 w2 +9* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +8 2-1-1
28 L2 w2 L1 +7 1-2-1
33 L1 w4 w2 +12* 1-1-1
7 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
3 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
4 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
26 L2 w2 L1 +10 1-2-1
34 L1 w2 L1 +10 1-2-1
2 w1 L2 L1 +9 2-1-1
36 L2 w2 w2 +11 1-2-2
4 w1 L2 L2 +8 1-1-1
0 L1 L1 L1 +5 1-1-1
24 L1 L1 w2 +5 1-1-2
10 w2 L1 L2 +4 2-1-2
8 w2 L1 L2 +3 2-1-1
13 w2 L1 L1 +3 2-1-1
14 w2 L1 L1 +3 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +6 2-1-2
13 w2 L1 L2 +5 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +8 2-1-2
20 L2 L1 L2 +3 1-1-1
26 L1 w2 L1 +3 1-2-1
9 w1 L2 w2 +4 2-1-2
16 w2 L1 L2 +3 2-1-1
3 w2 L1 w2 +6 2-1-2
6 w2 L1 w2 +9 2-1-2
26 L2 w2 L2 +7 1-2-1
20 L1 L2 L1 +3 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +5 2-1-2
15 w2 L1 w4 +10 2-1-2
5 w2 L1 L2 +9 2-1-1
2 w2 L1 L1 +9 2-1-1
3 w2 L1 w2 +12 2-1-2
14 w2 L1 L2 +11 2-1-1
2 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
18 w2 L1 w2 +14* 1-1-1
18 w1 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
2 w2 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
11 w2 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
36 L2 w2 w2 +15* 1-1-1
14 w1 L1 L1 +14 2-1-1
25 L2 w2 L1 +13 1-2-1
9 w1 L2 w2 +14 2-1-2
24 w2 L1 w4 +19* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
4 w2 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
11 w2 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
23 L2 L1 L1 +14 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +15 2-1-2
30 L2 L1 w4 +16 1-1-2
12 L1 L1 w4 +18 1-1-2
8 w2 L1 L2 +17 2-1-1
34 L2 w2 L1 +16 1-2-1
13 w1 L2 L1 +15 2-1-1
22 L2 L1 L1 +11 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
5 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
13 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +13 2-1-2
10 w2 L1 L2 +12 2-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +15 2-1-2
1 w2 L1 L2 +14 2-1-1
32 L2 w2 L1 +13 1-2-1
18 w1 L2 w2 +14 2-1-2
5 w2 L1 L2 +13 2-1-1
10 w2 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
24 L2 L1 w2 +12 1-1-2
11 w1 L1 L2 +10 2-1-1
18 w2 L1 w2 +13 2-1-1
17 w2 L1 L2 +12 2-1-1
11 w2 L1 L1 +12 2-1-1
24 L2 L1 w2 +11 1-1-2
24 L1 L1 w4 +13 1-1-2
24 L1 L1 w4 +15 1-1-2
23 L1 L1 L2 +11 1-1-1
24 L1 L1 w2 +11 1-1-2
32 L1 w2 L2 +10 1-2-1
5 w1 L2 L1 +9 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +11 2-1-2
31 L2 w2 L2 +10 1-2-1
3 w1 L2 w2 +11 1-1-2
27 L1 w2 w4 +16 1-2-2
20 L1 L2 L2 +11 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
33 L2 w2 w2 +12 1-2-2
6 w1 L2 w4 +15 2-1-2
18 w2 L2 w4 +19* 1-1-1
25 L1 w2 L1 +18 1-2-1
4 w1 L2 L1 +16 2-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +19* 1-1-1
2 w1 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
21 L2 L1 w2 +17 1-1-2
18 w1 L1 w4 +20* 1-1-1
18 w1 L1 w2 +22* 1-1-1
33 L1 w2 w2 +25* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +24 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +27* 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +29* 1-1-1
110 spins = +29u profit.
Highest bet = 2
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:)
Atlantis.
Your effort is impressive. :-X
@Atlantis
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Hi KoolKat,
Below is my suggested improvement:
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I am liking it, cause on a Winning Trend (one of the 3 bet selections), You are partially following the trend by increasing the Win element with the +1.
Helps keep loses to minimum, by virtually flat betting on the loss side, with Positive progression on the short win cycle.
Liking it very much.
Much better than progression (like a varied Marty, or Fibo) on all three elements, and its better than taking the 3 as a total group*.
(* with total group play, if the group loses, it so easy to fall into the trap of increasing ALL three elements by +1, which on a bad trend, (like hitting 19,20,22,23 or 0), will rack up big losses, that have to be recovered.
Very clever adaptation You have there. Well done! :thumbsup:
Here's the visual on the bet You have described:-
Pretty impressive.
So close to a flat bet that calling it a progression seems silly.
What has to happen for us to have a losing trot? And how often can we expect it to show it's ugly head?
GLC
Hi Chrisbis,
Thanks for putting up the visual representation! S'pose we could take the zero completely out of the equation if playing on BVNZ.
You're absolutely right in your comments, by the way. That is exactly why I built it that way, having tried the original and faced some hefty drawdowns and spiralling stakes due to "sleepers". So now is safer and simpler; you can still lose of course... but maybe not so much if playing with small value amounts.
Regards, A
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 11, 09:52 AM 2013
Only 1 change: When the EC reaches 5, raise line to 2 whether or not there has been two Ls in a row.
Up about 70E
Sam
The above statement is wrong. Sorry. Will re-think my thought on that.
This thread has broken into three systems. Or more!
I'm sticking with Atlantis' original for now.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 09:53 AM 2013
Hi Chrisbis,
Thanks for putting up the visual representation! S'pose we could take the zero completely out of the equation if playing on BVNZ.
So now is safer and simpler; you can still lose of course... but maybe not so much if playing with small value amounts.
Regards, A
Time for Nickmsi to make an Excell sheet for it, toss it over the fence to Samster, and him bang out a few days of it on his three horse powered PC's!
Go Samster...............GO!
@Atlantis
Is this the exact opposite bet?
YES!
A.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 12, 09:58 AM 2013
The above statement is wrong. Sorry. Will re-think my thought on that.
This thread has broken into three systems. Or more!
I'm sticking with Atlantis' original for now.
Hi Sam,
I now have a better progression idea for this same selection strategy, Sam. (EC + Line variant)
Can you give me some actual numbers from your records (say about 50) playing this so I can see how it pans out?
Thanks.
A.
I'm thinking of a GreatGrampa style framework bet with this, and have a rule for 3 losses in a row.
Say, we play Low/3rdDoz/3rdCol for three bites at the cherry, using your suggested progression, and then, on 3 straight losses.........change to:-
..................High/1stDoz/1stCol for three bites?
What says U/Anyone?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 12, 12:08 PM 2013
I'm thinking of a GreatGrampa style framework bet with this, and have a rule for 3 losses in a row.
Say, we play Low/3rdDoz/3rdCol for three bites at the cherry, using your suggested progression, and then, on 3 straight losses.........change to:-
..................High/1stDoz/1stCol for three bites?
What says U?
Hi Chrisbis,
That sounds interesting...
Meantime here's what I thought regarding the bet TWOCATSAM is following. I am using cycles of 5 framework.
First on RFMAXX's bad numbers posted earlier....
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RO BE......Bet high and line 3
BO..RE......Bet low and line 4
Cycles of 5
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start with 1 on EC and 0.5 on Line
First number observed:
1 bet 1H and 0.5Line3 +0
Cycle1
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0 L-1.5 bet 1H and 0.5Line3 -1.5
3 L-1.5 wait for next spin -3 (2xRO)
11 bet 1L and 0.5Line4
36 L-1.5 bet 1L and 0.5Line4 -4.5
24 w+1.5 bet 1H and 0.5Line3 -3
2 L-1.5 wait for next spin -4.5 (2xBE) ***next cycle: up to 2EC - 1Line
Cycle 2
======
11 bet 2L and 1Line4
25 L-3 bet 2H and 1Line3 -7.5
24 w+3 bet 2H and 1Line3 -4.5 ***restart cycle2 (equal to end of cycle1)
Cycle 2
====
27 w+1 bet 2H and 1Line3 -3.5 ***restart cycle2 (less than end of cycle1)
Cycle2
====
1 L-3 wait for next spin -6.5 (2xRO)
35 bet 2L and 1Line4
27 L-3 bet 2H and 1Line3 -9.5
1 L-3 wait for next spin -12.5 (2xRO)
15 bet 2L and 1Line4
32 L-3 bet 2L and 1Line4 -15.5
7 w1 bet 3H and 1.5Line3 -14.5 ***next cycle 3EC and 1.5Line
Cycle3
=====
17 w+4.5 bet 3L and 1.5Line4 -10 ***restart cycle3 (less than end of cycle2)
Cycle3
=====
End of RFMAXX's bad spins = -10 (corrected)
Obviously every chance of future recovery continuing with cycle3 and regressing if necessary.....
Need to do a test on bigger spin sample.
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Atlantis.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 12, 12:08 PM 2013
I'm thinking of a GreatGrampa style framework bet with this, and have a rule for 3 losses in a row.
Say, we play Low/3rdDoz/3rdCol for three bites at the cherry, using your suggested progression, and then, on 3 straight losses.........change to:-
..................High/1stDoz/1stCol for three bites?
What says U/Anyone?
Or maybe 2 players; 1 playing LOW D3 and C3 the other playing HIGH D1 and C1. Can both make profit?
A.
As an alternative to riding straght losses how about testing a stop loss (SL) strategy?
Stay on your same chosen bet position (eg 1 -18, 3rd doz, 3rd col) & virtual bet (VB) nil money after any loss on your position which covers 86%+ of a 37 number wheel.
A VB doesn't stop a chop back loss to any of the uncovered 5 but it does stop a run of losses.
Obviously running SL requires 2 consecutive wins 1. A VB win & 2. A money bet win.
Surely worth testing when odds are well on your side ?
Hi Atlantis
I have one question please: In relation to your post 1127 does that affect the reply no. 5 concerning
the method of the first system. See copy below:
At post 1127 above for the second method you mentioned …..â€Changed the progression to be SAFER... +1
on a WIN - stay at 2u until loss; Back to 1u on a loss; No bet higher than 2units! * = Reset when level
or ahead etc…….â€
At reply no 5 above for the first method you mentioned: …..†just started playing daily sessions of 5 games where
I bet EC and doublestreet (Line) combo. Total 24 numbers bet.
A result of +3 or more ends a game. And bear in mind this can occur in just 1 single spin.
On each loss I increase the EC bet by +1. Only after a set of 2 consecutive losses is the LINE bet
also increased by +1 etc….â€
Does the progression for the first method stay the same i.e after 2 concecutive losses we
continue our progression and increase bet by one etc...…..?.Thanks
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chris555p,
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Does the progression for the first method stay the same i.e after 2 concecutive losses we
continue our progression and increase bet by one etc...…..?.Thanks
Yes. Sorry for confusion. There are 2 different ideas posted by me. The first to which you refer is also the one TwoCatSam is persisting with at the moment.
However, today, I have tried to improve the progression for that to make better (safer?) using the cycles of 5 progression and with a lower starting unit combo of 1unit on EC and 0.5 on Line. The selection method is still the same. Please see my reply msg113377 which shows how to play the "tweaked" version (RFMAXX example). I will be happy to answer any questions about this suggested "new" revised way of staking.
The other method is my idea for an EC + DOZ + COL combo and bets no higher than 2u on a location...
A.
Quote from: ausguy on Jun 12, 01:25 PM 2013
As an alternative to riding straght losses how about testing a stop-loss (SL) strategy?
Stay on your same chosen bet position (e.g. 1 -18, 3rd doz, 3rd col) & virtual bet (VB) nil money after any loss on your position which covers 86%+ of a 37 number wheel.
A VB doesn't stop a chop back loss to any of the uncovered 5 but it does stop a run of losses.
Obviously running SL requires 2 consecutive wins 1. A VB win & 2. A money bet win.
Surely worth testing when odds are well on your side ?
I'm not quite clear, ausguy. When do you suggest doing the "virtual bet"? After a win or a complete loss? Thanks, A.
Hi Atlantis
Oki thanks for the clarification.
For the first method in addtion to playing H/L and one dozen as you indicated,
I aslo bet R/B when it is the right time to do so.
For example, if I see during the past 10 spins there has not been 3R or 3B in
a row, I know from experience that RRR or BBB is coming. So when there if
there is 2RR or 2 BB I simply bet the relevant color and 9/10 times it works....;
Therefore even if I were to loose with method no. 1 it is highly unlikely that loose
with B or R on 3 occassions as well.....
I apply same concept for O/E and it works quite well as well.....
What do u think of this little add on......??
Cheers
Chris
This is the original way Atlantis posted it. I do not include the ECs or the streets on my worksheet, only the goal and the amount to bet.
Hi chris555
You wrote:
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For example, if I see during the past 10 spins there has not been 3R or 3B in
a row, I know from experience that RRR or BBB is coming. So when there if
there is 2RR or 2 BB I simply bet the relevant color and 9/10 times it works....;
Therefore even if I were to lose with method no. 1 it is highly unlikely that lose
with B or R on 3 occassions as well.....
I apply same concept for O/E and it works quite well as well.....
What do u think of this little add on......??
Sounds a good plan to me (and a perfectly good system in its own right no doubt!)
I can see no harm in integrating it as an add-on 'side bet' on the occasions where it seems warranted, particularly if using a separate bank for this extra wager.
A.
Atlantis - I'm saying after any bet loss make a virtual bet, VB, on your chosen positions and then after any virtual win this is the trigger to make your normal money bet.
It usually slows down the win rate but reduces the risk of bank busting losses. LLLLLLL = VB effective. Only a series of chops of WLWLWLWLWL makes VB ineffective.
Surely unlikely if 32/37 numbers are covered, as discussed in earlier posts ?
Hi Atlantis
I’m glad u like this little add on, as an insurance bet…..; I think the insurance blends in quite
well with method number one as the probability of loosing all 3 bets at once is extremely low…..
Assuming the worse case scenario happens and the B/R bet is loss on the first try, we simply have
to wait the next opportunity when RR or BB comes again and then rebet the relevant color again…...
BB or RR cannot last a very long time without a third R or B showing up…..
Chris
Think it is time for this Topic to be split up into 3 different and identified threads.
- The Original......1 Dozen +1 Double Street
- New Thread......EC + 1 Line
- New Thread......EC + I Dozen + 1 Column
Where is the "SplitMeister"?
Quote from: ausguy on Jun 12, 04:11 PM 2013
Atlantis - I'm saying after any bet loss make a virtual bet, VB, on your chosen positions and then after any virtual win this is the trigger to make your normal money bet.
It usually slows down the win rate but reduces the risk of bank busting losses. LLLLLLL = VB effective. Only a series of chops of WLWLWLWLWL makes VB ineffective.
Surely unlikely if 32/37 numbers are covered, as discussed in earlier posts ?
I see what you're getting at, ausguy. But what if virtual bet loses? Do you mean that you keep betting virtually until a winning virtual bet of any kind occurs and then jump in and bet for real?
And what if that real bet loses?..... then its back to betting virtually??
A.
Yes correct Atlantis, you keep repeating the VB process until you get 2 back to back results = money win. The trade off is a slower win rate progress.
Surely it is better to make some profit rather than suffer $XYZ losses ?
The VB does not necessarily have to be activated after the 1st loss. It can be inserted anywhere along your progression line.
E.G. in an 8 line progression you could activate VB after your 3rd consecutive money loss.
It doesn't guarantee a win but certainly stops the "bleeding" of a large run of losses.
VB can also incorporate 2 or 3, or other, VB back to back wins if you feel you are in a "black hole" with your section results. Say the last 10 spins or similar ?
It's a flexible tool that gives you a win on any same/same 2 line spin results. There's certainly lots of those in any roulette session.
Testing it is free apart from your time.
Hi ausguy,
OK. Understood perfectly. Thanks.
A.
I am not so sure that these ideas of mine are going to result in anything much at all. That is why we have these NOTEPAD entries. To test things out and shoot new ideas to be considered etc.
Seems Sam's been having good results with the EC+Line variant; but I think he's just been lucky. Unless he's playing it slightly differently... The EC+COL+DOZ can be dangerous if encountering sleepers so even though I contracted the progression to a maximum high of 2units it seems a bit hit or miss with or without stops and virtual betting. You will not always finish with a positive result.
There are still some improvements that might be incorporated though.
Atlantis
Here is "one" of my problems when playing. I get bored and sleepy and start making mistakes. Many times I don't even know it's a mistake!! How many more of you are this way?
I was having such good luck at Dublin, I switched to BV and played for nickels. Playing for lower money made me careless and I went down 10 Euro. I logged off and won it back in three sessions.
The idea is pretty strong. One thing has caught my eye: When you get RO or BE, you seem to get a run of them! I've had about six in a row. Same with BO or RE.
This makes me curious as to whether or not this could be a system of it's own. I see using it with a D'Alembert progression or a FLATman progression.
Time will tell....
Sam
Thanks for your report, Sam. Glad you're still winning.
If you don't like the RO BE selection thing you can instead select the last hitting line as the line bet and take the opposite EC.
The objective is still to win 3 units per game.
1) Wait for a real number to be spun - or look at last number spun on marquee history.
2) Place 2 bets on the layout EACH SPIN as follows:
The first bet is an EVEN CHANCE wager. This bet is always DOUBLE the amount of the second bet that is made.
If the last number is a high number (19-36) bet the opposite ie. LOW. If the last number is low then bet HIGH.
The second bet is a LINE bet (doublestreet). This bet is always HALF the amount of the even chance bet. The last number spun determines the line to be wagered according to the line bets 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36. e.g.: if the number is 17 you place the bet on numbers 13-18.
The starting bet for the ECs is 1 unit. The starting bet for the LINE is 0.5 unit.
So upon starting a session if the last number spun is 17 the FIRST bets made are therefore 1 unit on HIGH and 0.5 unit on LINE 13-18.
3) The Progression: Keep track at all times of the highest recorded bank total.
Each time a loss of 2 full units occurs the LINE bet is INCREASED by 0.5 or half a unit.
The EVEN bet is always adjusted to be DOUBLE the value of the LINE bet.
Whenever the bank is LESS than the current recorded highest total (ie. you have lost chips) the amounts of the next bet can be calculated simply by subtracting the current bank total from the highest recorded bank total. This figure is then used to decide the number of 0.5 unit bets to make on the LINE bet. For each 2 full lost units the LINE bet is increased by 0.5 unit.
Example:
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You start with 200 unit bank.
Last number spun = 18
The bet is 1 unit on HIGH; 0.5 unit on LINE 13-18
#12 hits. You lose the first bet. Bank = 198.5 units.
Since the loss is not yet a full 2 units, the next betting units remains the same; 1 unit on HIGH and 0.5 unit on LINE 7-12.
#25 hits. A winner. Bank = 199 units.
Since the overall loss from our current highest total (currently standing at 200) is not yet a full 2 units, the next bet remains the same; 1 unit on LOW this time and 0.5 unit on the last hitting LINE 25-30.
#32 hits. A loss. Bank = 197.5 units.
Since the loss has now risen to 2.5 units the next bet is 2 x 0.5 units (or 1 unit) on the LINE bet 31-36 and since the even chance must be DOUBLE that amount, 2 units are therefore placed on the LOW numbers.
#15 hits. A win. Bank = 198.5 units.
Since the loss has reduced to under a full 2 units, the next bet reduces to 1 unit on HIGH and 0.5 unit on LINE 13-18.
#2 hits. A loss. Bank = 197 units.
Since the loss has now risen to 3.0 units the next bet is 2 x 0.5 units (or 1 unit) on the LINE bet 1-6 and since the even chance must be DOUBLE that amount, 2 units are therefore placed on the HIGH numbers.
#18 hits. A loss. Bank = 194 units.
Since the loss has now risen to 6.0 units (3 x 2 units) the next bet is 3 x 0.5 units (or 1.5 units) on the LINE bet 13-18 and since the even chance must be DOUBLE that amount, 3 units are therefore placed on the HIGH numbers.
#14 hits. A welcome win on the LINE bet! Bank = 198.5 units.
Since the loss has reduced to under a full 2 units, the next bet reduces to 1 unit on HIGH and 0.5 unit on LINE 13-18.
#15 hits. A winner. Bank = 200 units.
Since we have equalled our highest bank total we restart and repeat the last bet; 0.5 unit on LINE 13-18 and 1 unit on HIGH.
#24 hits. A win. BANK = 200.5 units. (NEW HIGHEST TOTAL)
Next bet is 0.5 on LINE 19-24 and 1 unit on LOW.
#13 hits. A win. BANK = 201 units. (NEW HIGHEST TOTAL)
Bet 0.5 unit on LINE 13-18; 1 unit on HIGH
etc... etc..
Only increase the bets for each loss of 2 full units.
Quick Live Autowheel at SLC just now:
34 bet 1L and 0.5Line6 +0
21 L1 L0.5 bet 1L and 0.5Line4 -1.5
18 w1 L0.5 bet 1H and 0.5Line3 -1
18 w2.5 L1 bet 1H and 0.5Line3 +0.5
25 w1 L0.5 bet 1L and 0.5Line5 +1
18 w1 L0.5 bet 1H and 0.5Line3 +1.5
14 L1 w2.5 bet 1H and 0.5Line3 +3****TARGET
Any repeating lines will aid this system tremendously - and they DO happen!
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Best wishes,
Atlantis.
Atlantis
Thank you for all that hard typing. You are a gentleman and a scholar!
BUT.........
When I see promise in something, I do not change my course. This may just be a fluke. Who knows? I'll stick with it a while and see what happens.
I may have Nick bot it for me.
Sam
What low budget casinos are you talking about. 50 cent chips ? I know of no legit US B & M casino offering 50 cent designated chips at their live tables.
We are lucky finding a $ 5 min table . The norm is usually$ 10 - 15. This applies to both outside and inside bets but NOT combined.
Tamino
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 13, 10:39 AM 2013
Atlantis
The idea is pretty strong. One thing has caught my eye: When you get RO or BE, you seem to get a run of them! I've had about six in a row. Same with BO or RE.
Sam
Sammy, Are you saying that when you get BE, BO, RE or RO they seem to come in bunches? So a bet on the 2 e.c.'s with a mild progression may be worth playing? If so, my flatbet parlay should play a little better than usual.
Now we've got another system from this topic!
GLC
Quote from: Tamino on Jun 13, 03:02 PM 2013
What low budget casinos are you talking about. 50 cent chips ? I know of no legit US B & M casino offering 50 cent designated chips at their live tables.
We are lucky finding a $ 5 min table . The norm is usually$ 10 - 15. This applies to both outside and inside bets but NOT combined.
Tamino
Thats harsh....50p chips in uk up to a line. £5 doz and ec, so in theory you could play a dozen for £1.50 using 3 lines
Although i did notice racetrack went to £45 MIN....£9 and neighbours....was £25 MIN
George
They do seem to come in runs. But it may be confirmation bias on my part. I'll have to look at it further--and I will.
Sam
I still like the selection strategy determined by the EC combos (especially works well when used for double dozen betting) but I have switched to betting Last Line + opposite EC for the EC+Line bet as described in my last post. It's far easier to remember and you make less mistakes. I have won 5 games with it today. The repeat lines are sweet.
EC Line +0
================
3
13 L1 L0.5 -1.5
21 w1 L0.5 -1
7 w1 L0.5 -0.5
6 L1 L0.5 -2
28 w2 L1 -1
20 L1 L0.5 -2.5
1 w2 L1 -1.5
34 w1 L0.5 -1
31 L1 w2.5 +0.5
32 L1 w2.5 +2
9 w1 L0.5 +2.5
17 L1 L0.5 +1
20 w1 L0.5 +1.5
19 L1 w2.5 +3 *** target
A.
Atlantis
I am happy with the original version.
Thanks
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 16, 09:18 PM 2013
Atlantis
I am happy with the original version.
Thanks
Sam
Sam you were able with the original method to win 600 euros? How long has it taken?
No, I've won a little over a hundred..
what casino is that screen shot from? did you win over a $100 playing with 10 cent minimum bets? or 50c?
I say that if we find the right progression, then the EC+Doz+Col is a winner (86%+ chance on 0 wheel).
Atlantis came up with 2u max method and I say we must build the strategy on his idea.
I'll be doing some testing and will come up with some results...
Adrian
Dublin playing $1 per EC. That's the least you can play on an EC.
AGAIN.........more people should examine this easy peasy idea. Oh...only if you want to make a little pocket change.
Sam
i did 6 times 10000 totally random spins to test both systems.
2u max system is the one where u dont bet more than 2 units
regular system is the one described in reply #64
10k totally random spins
2u max system = 1004u loss
regular system = 2738u profit (97697 lowest draw)
another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1145u loss
regular system = 2688u profit (97945u lowest draw)
another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1329u loss
regular system = 2675u profit (1500165u lowest draw)
another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1196u loss
regular system = 2817u profit (6524u lowest draw)
another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1341u loss
regular system = 2800u profit (8072u lowest draw)
another 10k random spins
2u max system = 970u loss
regular system = 2672u profit (8955u lowest draw)
looks like the 2u max system is very risky. the lowest draw was always very close to the units lost. it never really recovered.
the regular system looks great on the other hand. lots of potential in it. the 1000u draws came long after u could've made 100u+ profits. (although it could have come anytime earlier). with a good stop loss applied, this looks like a winner.
note: these are not real spins, just totally random. i'll run some true RNG spins on the same systems later...
if anyone could code this Atlantis' EC+Doz+Col strategy
could be a real winner :)
Adrian
here are some tests i ran on playtech casinos
King 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 121u loss
regular system = 321u profit (1186 lowest draw)
Bellini 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 59u profit
regular system = 281u profit (3881 lowest draw)
Riva 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 161u loss
regular system = 313u profit (1288 lowest draw)
PKR 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 80u loss
regular system = 312u profit (1706 lowest draw)
Las Vegas 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 151u loss
regular system = 254u profit (2343 lowest draw)
Club Gold 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 115u loss
regular system = 288u profit (1636 lowest draw)
Noble 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 161u loss
regular system = 269u profit (3149 lowest draw)
21 Nova 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 106u loss
regular system = 274u profit (451 lowest draw)
Vegas Red 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 109u loss
regular system = 245u profit (726 lowest draw)
Club Dice 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 125u loss
regular system = 334u profit (8837 lowest draw)
the system where u bet 2 units max almost always loses. i should try the one previous to that (before the 2u modification), which had the sleepers, it might work better, i dont know...
but the regular system which is described in detail in reply #64 looks pretty good. with some stop loss it can produce nice profit.
Thanks, Atlantis!!
Norb Niven, you're doing a great job. We all thank you.
regular system looks great, although every time appeared this big lowest draw that's kind of hard to handle.
Can you tell when exactly did it appear in the long run? Is there a pattern? Could it work with a stop-loss method?
I can't wait for more info. thanks.
Adrian
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 20, 12:38 AM 2013
Thanks, Atlantis!!
good job over there. Are you playing the EC + doublestreet method? What was your lowest draw and do you recover easily?
Give us some insight :)
Adrian
Norb Niven wrote:
Quote
the system where u bet 2 units max almost always loses. i should try the one previous to that (before the 2u modification), which had the sleepers, it might work better, i don't know...
but the regular system which is described in detail in reply #64 looks pretty good. with some stop-loss it can produce nice profit.
Hi NN,
You are right. The max of 2u system is not worth the grind overall; it is a loser (maybe with uncapped progression can be better played the regular way as you intimated) I have stopped playing it - One of my more "crazier" ideas. I will not play it either and advise same as you.
Thank you.
A.
Hi Sam,
Thanks for progress update!
A.
Hi Atlantis
Thanks for the update; When playing the system I've had experienced some
losses as well. The system put on the forum kindly, by GLC is somewhat a bit
similar as it is also playing EC but without the dozen.
I've been testing it and playing with great results no losses, no big drawdown,
in about 20 sessions so far. Have a go at it when u have the opportunity and I'm
sure u will be very pleased with the results.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7709.msg113657;topicseen#msg113657
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 09, 10:36 AM 2013
Hi eddy,
I do similar idea but just started playing daily sessions of 5 games where I bet EC and doublestreet (Line) combo. Total 24 numbers bet.
A result of +3 or more ends a game. And bear in mind this can occur in just 1 single spin.
On each loss I increase the EC bet by +1. Only after a set of 2 consecutive losses is the LINE bet also increased by +1.
Bet Selection is easy peasy and one of my trusted favourites derived from my "Line Combo Bet" and "Atlantis Dozens":
If last number is RO or BE then bet HIGH and LINE 3 (13-18)
If last number is BO or RE then bet LOW and LINE 4 (19-24)
Live dealer or live autowheel only. Single 0.
[reveal]
Todays Live Continuous Session of 14 consecutive games
====================================
8 bet 2H and 1Line3 +0
18 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
=========================
27 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -3
13 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 -1
29 L3 bet 3L and 1Line4 -4
4 w2 bet 2H and 1Line3 -2
7 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -5
16 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 -3
8 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 -2
36 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 -1
24 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
15 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +5* target
========================
3 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
13 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +4* target
========================
21 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +3* target
========================
13 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
========================
12 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
13 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
22 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
========================
23 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
26 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
0 L3 -1 wait for real number
35 bet 3L and 1Line4
14 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
23 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +4* target
=========================
31 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
14 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
23 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
=========================
19 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
34 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
24 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
=========================
24 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
20 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
1 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -1
28 w2 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
23 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
7 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -1
6 L4 bet 4H and 2Line3 -5
18 w6 bet 3L and 1Line4 +1
16 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
==========================
32 L3 bet 3L and 1 Line4 -3
21 w2 bet 2H and 1Line3 -1
16 w3 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
18 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3 * target
==========================
15 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
2 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +2
4 L3 bet 3H and 1Line3 -1
0 L4 -5 wait for real number
36 bet 4L and 2Line4
17 w2 bet 3L and 1Line4 -3
17 w2 bet 2L and 1Line4 -1
13 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +0
11 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +1
19 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +4* target
=========================
23 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
29 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
18 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +3* target
=========================
10 w1 bet 2H and 1Line3 +1
36 w1 bet 2L and 1Line4 +2
19 w3 bet 2H and 1Line3 +5* target
==========================
Profit = +55pts in 60 spins. :)
I play 0.10 chips so that is £5.50 GBP
[/reveal]
Best wishes,
Atlantis.
TO ALL:
The above is the method.
I have always recovered. I have gone done about 50 Euro and then came back.
Don't tweak it; just play it as written. If I can help in any way, just ask. Trying to avoid the sin of hubris.
Sam
Quote from: Serendipity on Jun 20, 02:42 AM 2013
Norb Niven, you're doing a great job. We all thank you.
regular system looks great, although every time appeared this big lowest draw that's kind of hard to handle.
Can you tell when exactly did it appear in the long run? Is there a pattern? Could it work with a stop-loss method?
I can't wait for more info. thanks.
Adrian
the lowest draw can happen anytime. but in between those times there's plenty of opportunity to make profit.
usually you can pretty quickly get to 10u profit. if i played these playtech tables at these 10 casinos, and made my 10u+ at each game, thats 100u profit. most of the times 10u+ happens much more often, and much quicker than a 100u loss. so if one casino loses 100u, the others can make up for it. that's the theory. but i need to test it on hundreds of thousands of spins, to figure out where i should put a stop loss.
these playtech casinos have 10c minimum bet, so a $100 bankroll can afford 1000u loss, which happens much less often than a 100u loss. so the question is, can i make 1$ profit / game a hundred times before i get a $100 loss?
Sam is playing the original system, i'm gonna program that also and compare it with the reply #64 system. i'm very curious to see how they do when they are put against each other.. :)
I'm curious to find that too (one system against the other). What you say makes perfect sense.
I can't wait to see your new tests.
Don't know which is best yet, but let's make some profit out of it :)
Adrian
One set of results..........sorted by one member, and only released one number at a time.
Three members running the three different methods, on those released numbers, and lets see what happens.
Say a 300 spin set to make sense of it all.
Need someone making three graphs, and analysis of the results.
That's my suggestion for a collective forum testbed situation.
This may be my last post on this subject. I do not want to appear to be bragging.
TwoCat
@ Samster/ArtOfWinninG
That is far far from bragging.
Exactly the sort of news we all need.
and, remind me, the others, and our viewing guests, which one of the variations You are playing please?
Then we can all go and try the same approach.
P.S. have u had it Excel sheeted yet for the Nick/Steph bot?
cheers
I used cut and paste to post Atlantis's post.
No excel sheet
Sam
This easy peasy!
LwwLw
:ww
wwLww
wwLww
LwwLw
+ 13 SEK in 25 spins
I will stick to this now for a while!
Thank`s Sam for not stop talking about this nice system!!!
Agesta
Since Atlantis did not name it, let's officially call it..................
THE EASY PEASY SYSTEM
GREAT!!!! :) :)
Hello,
Well OK - I think that is a perfectly good and acceptable name for it, Sam!
"THE EASY PEASY SYSTEM"
My first session this morning:
:: = +3u target achieved in 6 consecutive spins. Stop for now.
I use half-point units so my first bet = 1uEC; 0.5uLINE
Played using ORIGINAL method.
A.
PS. Of course it won't always be that "easy". :)
My second session this morning:
ww = +3u target achieved in 2 consecutive spins. Stop for now.
Both hit the LINE betted.
Played using ORIGINAL method.
A.
My third and final session this morning:
wLLwwLwwLwL: = +3.5u target achieved in 14 consecutive spins. Stop for now.
Same session played with "handbrake" on repeat EC:
wLwwLwL:ww = +3u target achieved in 16 spins. Stop for now.
Played using ORIGINAL method.
Normally play 3 sessions a day - 1 morning, 1 afternoon, 1 evening.
Good Luck!
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 24, 07:28 AM 2013
My third and final session this morning:
wLLwwLwwLwL: = +3.5u target achieved in 14 consecutive spins. Stop for now.
Same session played with "handbrake" on repeat EC:
wLwwLwL:ww = +3u target achieved in 16 spins. Stop for now.
Played using ORIGINAL method.
Normally play 3 sessions a day - 1 morning, 1 afternoon, 1 evening.
Good Luck!
A.
Can we bot this system?
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 24, 07:28 AM 2013
My third and final session this morning:
wLLwwLwwLwL: = +3.5u target achieved in 14 consecutive spins. Stop for now.
Same session played with "handbrake" on repeat EC:
wLwwLwL:ww = +3u target achieved in 16 spins. Stop for now.
Played using ORIGINAL method.
Normally play 3 sessions a day - 1 morning, 1 afternoon, 1 evening.
Good Luck!
A.
hi, if only EC wins do you rise EC bet by 1? Because we break even. IF you rise EC by +1 and when EC is wining so after 2 only EC wins you rise line bet +1?
here played some spins: first column is how much +- i have in units and all line tell what and how much to bet next
31 BO bet 1u LOW and 1u LINE 4
+0u 7 RO bet 1u high and 1u line 3
+4u 18 RE bet 1u LOW and 1u line 4
+8u 21 RO bet 1u high and 1u line 3
+12u 17 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 15 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 18 RE bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 15 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 5 RE bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+10u 29 BO bet 2u low and 1u line 4
+7u 30 RO bet 3u high and 2u line 3
+8u 34 RE bet 2u low and 1u line 4
+5u 27 RO bet 3u high and 2u line 3
+12u 17 BO bet 2u low and 1u line 4
+9u 31 BO bet 3u low and 2u line 4
+10u 7 RO bet 2u high and 1u line 3
+7u 12 RE bet 3u low and 2u line 4
+8u 7 RO bet 2u high and 1u line 3
+9u 33 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+9u 18 RE bet 1u LOW and 1u line 4
+13u 24
can anybody tell is this correct or show my mistakes?
Hi biagle,
Quote
31 BO bet 1u LOW and 1u LINE 4
+0u 7 RO bet 1u high and 1u line 3
+4u 18 RE bet 1u LOW and 1u line 4
+8u 21 RO bet 1u high and 1u line 3
+12u 17 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 15 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 18 RE bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 15 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+12u 5 RE bet 1u low and 1u line 4 **5 is RO so should be HIGH and LINE 3**
+10u 29 BO bet 2u low and 1u line 4
+7u 30 RO bet 3u high and 2u line 3
+8u 34 RE bet 2u low and 1u line 4
+5u 27 RO bet 3u high and 2u line 3
+12u 17 BO bet 2u low and 1u line 4
+9u 31 BO bet 3u low and 2u line 4
+10u 7 RO bet 2u high and 1u line 3
+7u 12 RE bet 3u low and 2u line 4
+8u 7 RO bet 2u high and 1u line 3
+9u 33 BO bet 1u low and 1u line 4
+9u 18 RE bet 1u LOW and 1u line 4
+13u 24 24 is last number??
This is how I am playing with your numbers given:
31 BO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 +0
7 RO bet 1u high and 0.5u line 3 w +0.5
18 RE bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w +2.5
21 RO bet 1u high and 0.5u line 3 w +4 *** target
=========================
17 BO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w +1.5
15 BO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w +2
18 RE bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w +2.5
15 BO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w +3 *** target
=========================
5 RO bet 1u high and 0.5u line 3 w +0.5
29 BO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w +1
30 RO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 3 L -0.5 stay @ 1;0.5 (under -2u so continue at same level)
34 RE bet 2u low and 1u line 4 L -2 up to 2;1 (4x0.5u (2u) down so increase both)
27 RO bet 3u high and 1.5u line 3 L -5 up to 3;1.5 (over 4u but under 6u down so increase both)
17 BO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w -0.5 down to 1;0.5 (less than 2u down so decrease to reset)
31 BO bet 2u low and 1u line 4 L -2 up to 2;1 (Down 2u so increase both)
7 RO bet 1u high and 0.5u line 3 w -1.5 down to 1;0.5 (less than 2u (3x0.5) down so reset down to level 1)
12 RE bet 2u low and 1u line 4 L -3 up to 2;1 (over 2u down but less than -4u so increase both)
7 RO bet 2u high and 1u line 3 w -2 stay @ 2;1 (still 2u down so stay at same level: 2;1)
33 BO bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w -1 down to 1;0.5 (less than 2u down so reduce to starting level)
18 RE bet 1u low and 0.5u line 4 w -0.5 stay @ 1;0.5 (less than 2u down so stay at default level)
24 BE If that is next number as shown on your list (not sure) then total so far will be +1u
The third game/session is still to be played out further as it is unresolved in this case...
Hope you get it! :)
A.
PS.
Levels of progression:
Deficit EC;Line
============
under -2u 1;0.5
-2u 2;1
-4u 3;1.5
-6u 4;2
-8u 5;2.5
-10u 6;3
-12u 7;3.5
-14u 8;4
etc..
This is my preferred progression. Sam, GreatGrampa and others may be using original progression as outlined in my first post on this matter. Move up and down the levels depending on amount of current deficit. Also I am aiming for 6x0.5u win per game now. (3u)
Hi Atlantis,
what's the difference between these 2 versions you have presented:
QuoteOn each loss I increase the EC bet by +1. Only after a set of 2 consecutive losses is the LINE bet also increased by +1.
If last number is RO or BE then bet HIGH and LINE 3 (13-18)
If last number is BO or RE then bet LOW and LINE 4 (19-24)
and
Quote
The first bet is an EVEN CHANCE wager. This bet is always DOUBLE the amount of the second bet that is made.
If the last number is a high number (19-36) bet the opposite ie. LOW. If the last number is low then bet HIGH.
The second bet is a LINE bet (doublestreet). This bet is always HALF the amount of the even chance bet. The last number spun determines the line to be wagered according to the line bets 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36. e.g.: if the number is 17 you place the bet on numbers 13-18.
The starting bet for the ECs is 1 unit. The starting bet for the LINE is 0.5 unit.
For me it really works the second one (when we pick the line according to the last number spun). I mean I understand it's all about bet selection, and as I've noticed that many times there are repeated numbers therefore betting the same line makes sense, but I wanted to know why you chose RO/BE or BO/RE to determine the next bet.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Hi Adrian,
You can play it either way you feel comfortable with and use the same levels of progression for EC and LINE as the original or my preferred way as in my last post. So it's up to you, really. But you do have a point - in the 2nd way you get to bet on the last winning line each time - and I do like that idea too whereas under the original you're restricted to lines 3 and 4.
I showed my examples using the original RO,BE,RE,BO color selection methodology (based on another system) as that was the one Sam was reporting good results with, that's all....
Regards,
A.
Thank you very much for your reply.
I'm using the system with the flexible line selection but with the original progression and I'm reporting good results.
keep up the good work!
Adrian
Decided to play 3 more games. Live Autowheel Results
22 BE bet 1H;0.5Line3 +0
18 RE w+1.5 bet 1L;0.5Line4 +1.5
8 BE w+0.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +2
32 RE w+0.5 bet 1L;0.5Line4 +2.5
19 RO w+1.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +4*** target
==============================
26 BE w+0.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +0.5
30 RE w+0.5 bet 1L;0.5Line4 +1
23 RO w+1.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +2.5
17 BO w+1.5 bet 1L;0.5Line4 +4*** target
==============================
2 BE w+0.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +0.5
26 BE w+0.5 bet 1L;0.5Line5 +1 ***EC REPEAT so play last line+opp EC instead
7 RO w+0.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +1.5
26 BE w+0.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +2
27 RO w+0.5 bet 1H;0.5Line3 +2.5
23 RO w+0.5 bet 1L;0.5Line4 +3*** target ***EC REPEAT so play last line+opp EC instead
==============================
To Adrian:
A little idea of mine tried in the last game was to switch to betting last line + opposite EC - BUT ONLY when an EC combo repeats. In this case it was BE,BE. I get a win rather than the loss that would have occurred had I continued betting after the EC combo repeat!
Not saying you need to do that but I think I will do that from now on - and I like the idea of fusing the alternate selection method into the mix on these repeat EC type occasions instead of the stop bet rule...
Also, I couldn't really ask for better results than these in the 3 consecutive games. That's the way it will go sometimes - but not ALWAYS of course :)
A.
yes, this definitely could be a winner. I admit that I found myself in trouble in a few sessions and I switched to BO/RE system after a repeat and worked great eventually.
There's something in the air, for sure. Thanks mate. Your post was very helpful.
Adrian.
Wonderful Results Atlantis! 8)
Loving the idea, of "sweeping-up" profit droppings, that someone has left behind,
when U land in the EC (50% coverage area)......
excellent game plan.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 24, 05:04 PM 2013
Loving the idea, of "sweeping-up" profit droppings, that someone has left behind,
when U land in the EC (50% coverage area)......
excellent game plan.
Hi Chris,
Yes. Can be slow but if you are patient the little "droppings" can build up slowly towards the target goal.
I've played my "easy-peasy" 3/3 winning games for today already.
Total Profit = +9u in 22 spins.
Progression no higher than 2EC;1Line
Interestingly there were 4 separate occasions during the 3 games when an EC COMBO repeated once only. (for example - BO,BO)
When this happened I switched to the last line + opposite EC and all four bets won.. 2 won on the line and 2 won on EC. As soon as the repeats end and the EC combo changes I switch back to the color methodology selection and continue with that immediately.
(If I had not switched then those 4 particular bets would have resulted in three outright losers and one winner on the Line)
A.
Hmmmm ???
I too had real money session at BV European roulette, (so with zero), & I bet 0.12 on EC of choice, 0.06 on the Line, & 0.02 on Zero/1/2/3 corner bet, for insurance .
Works well.
I'm not to sure the "EC" repeat maneuvers is for BV, as it exposes too much table (uncovered) if the bet was say Low+Line4, & 29 is next spin(BO), and the EC repeats.
Maybe only move, on EC repeat maneuvers, on a Loss?
Or have I got this wrong!
(texting from my car!!!)
I just repeat the previous bet, and keep cover maximum .
Great bet selection though, all the same, now needs an excel sheet please "Nickmsi" !!
Hi there,
seems that ro/be method is better overall and mixed up with opposite EC + last line is the best system so far.
Did someone experience some losses or big drawdown and what would be the unlucky combination that could cause some problems from time to time?
:)
Adrian.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 25, 06:34 AM 2013
Hmmmm ???
I'm not to sure the "EC" repeat maneuvers is for BV
Chrisbis and all,
My advice is not to play on RNG with this! Color methodology will not work properly with RNG.
If playing rng maybe the second version: last line + opp EC can work?
Anyhow, better results will be forthcoming on live roulette only or live autowheel. Single 0.
I like your low stakes idea though...
You could play with 20p whole units and 10p half-units at SmartLive Casino LIVE low limit autowheel. Anyone know of others?
Sam is playing at DUBLINBET but not sure if live.
A.
It plays well @BV RNG Atlantis .........so I for one will continue.
Its not like any other RNG roulette game!
I wonder what would happen if we took the colour out of the equations, and say play
EH/OL =High + Line 3
EL/OH =Low + Line 4
I'm on my phone.....can some try this (not real money) for me ?"?
I have tried this for a couple of 00 sessions and they worked on "easy peasy americano wheel"....,, any reason that it can't work on 00?
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 25, 06:42 AM 2013
Sam is playing at DUBLINBET but not sure if live.
A.
How could one play Dublin and it
not be live? I don't get it.
Sam
Some members have claimed that some live roulette are not real live......;
However I don't know the exact tiltle of the post......; But it is somewhere
outthere outthere in the forum....
I remember they were referring mainly to Fairwaycasino.com; I think they use as proof
the dealer, on the chat they ask the dealer to do certain things such as waving or
moving arm but he/she could not do it......lol lol ;-)
What's the truth.......???
Chris
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 25, 08:33 AM 2013
How could one play Dublin and it not be live? I don't get it.
Sam
I think Atlantis meant.............he didn't know whether DB has an Airball version.
Maybe he doesn't frequent there often Sam.
One strange thing happend couple days ago in Dublinbet . In this little window , where we see only wheel , dealer hit the chips and they spill all over the wheel, he fast pick them up , but in big window this sitiuation never happen.
Strange indeed.
Maybe they play a loop of video, of the last spun number, until the "No More Bets" is called on the next spin?
I dont know why this happen. Even if this not live and they manipulat with numbers .
The difference in the windows is something strange.
To my knowledge, Dublin only has human dealers.
Wish I could have seen that chip-scattering fiasco. I'm there so much, don't see how I missed it.
TwoCat
They do Sam......BUT....have also seen queer things happening there/didn't wish mentioning it earlier,
as thought may sound silly/......watch closely each croupier hand prior to spinning the ball....you
might notice some peculiar things...one croupier for about 50 or so spins....but as if didn't spin the same hand all 50 spins...watch.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 25, 12:36 PM 2013
Strange indeed.
Maybe they play a loop of video, of the last spun number, until the "No More Bets" is called on the next spin?
The ball pinged out the wheel on Latvian live dolly dealer...i commented..."the wheels spinning too fast", she said, "i don't think so Player Turner" in one second....I think its live
EDIT:
Im not saying it isnt bent in some way. I cant prove or disprove this. Im dead against conspiracy theory based on bias....not personally acquired proof.
I have found this casino (the live dealer) to be fair and acceptable in the 2 weeks live testing of my Quad Cycle system.
I can (and only ever will) comment on my personal experience
Quote
I have found this casino (the live dealer) to be fair and acceptable in the 2 weeks live testing of my Quad Cycle system.
May I ask, which casino that is pls? :question:
Quote from: Serendipity on Jun 25, 06:36 AM 2013
Hi there,
seems that ro/be method is better overall and mixed up with opposite EC + last line is the best system so far.
Did someone experience some losses or big drawdown and what would be the unlucky combination that could cause some problems from time to time?
:)
Adrian.
I will reply this question myself, because I've experienced a big drawdown (60 u) using ro/be method and the worse part is that I wasn't even closer to win them back in over 160 spins I've played. It all started up with 10, 19, 8, 9, 10, 30, 28, 21, 1, 22, 0, 21, 3, 3, 34, 33, 33, 21, 0, 12, 14, 33, 24, 30, 15, 36, 28, 19, 30, 0, 22, 1, 6 ... and so on... Very disappointed... Something went wrong. Can someone give me a hint?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 25, 05:28 PM 2013
May I ask, which casino that is please? :question:
21 Nova....will hill....Swiss....
They all use the same Latvian psudo casino...
Hi Atlantis and all of the Roulletiers,
since Nick is still abroad, I was trying on a Excel sheet an got that number sequence
18
25
11
27
9
4
13
9
12
0
26
30
16
26
8
23
25
12
36
5
1
1
31
2
12
7
10
9
10
11
9
9
2
10
9
29
10
27
36
10
27
15
25
Could you have a look on this one ?!?
To me it looks like there is a big loss sequence of 34 !! on the DS !!
How would I react to this one..... My Excel sheet killed me on this one.
If you`re wondering where these number came from : Wiesbaden 2013/05/02 Table BAS starting after spin 152
So they are actuals....
Ray
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 25, 02:11 PM 2013
To my knowledge, Dublin only has human dealers.
Wish I could have seen that chip-scattering fiasco. I'm there so much, don't see how I missed it.
TwoCat
I play sometimes 10 hours a day in Dublinbet , always test everything in there , still think its most reliable online casino.
But I saw couple strange things.
QuoteBut I saw couple strange things.
what strange things ?!?
Could you tell us more about it ?!?
Ray
One of them was that thing with chips on wheel.
In day is alot more diffrent bad streaks , long sleepers series, looks like play againsty progression players.
At night , when the people sitting there, play is more random , almost always good systems for streaks ,lose in this time .
Quote from: Serendipity on Jun 25, 05:52 PM 2013
.........................over 160 spins I've played. It all started up with 10, 19, 8, 9, 10, 30, 28, 21, 1, 22, 0, 21, 3, 3, 34, 33, 33, 21, 0, 12, 14, 33, 24, 30, 15, 36, 28, 19, 30, 0, 22, 1, 6 ... and so on... Very disappointed... Something went wrong. Can someone give me a hint?
Well, I just played your numbers, upto the last #6, and yes, even playing Atlantis new method, (with EC repeat tweak), U got a bad set of numbers there.
I lost 36.5 units in those 33 samples U posted.
workings out in the text sheet. :-(
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jun 25, 07:53 PM 2013
Hi Atlantis and all....
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Could you have a look on this one ?!?
To me it looks like there is a big loss sequence of 34 !! on the DS !!
How would I react to this one..... My Excel sheet killed me on this one.
from : Wiesbaden 2013/05/02
Ray
@ Ray.
Yep, just looking at those, U too got a bad set of numbers for this method. Would have lost. :-(
Need new rule for these repeating ECs - tweak, and maybe make the opposite rule if
EITHER of the two qualifying Group EC repeat.
ie. RO/BE is play High + Line 3 (treat as ONE group)
but, instead of just moving to opp when one of them repeats, we could move if Either repeats! (as a group)
Just a thought.
(by the way, I also played your numbers with something New I have been trying, called
BisCending 9 till 5, and your same numbers gave me an impressive +162 units win,
using them as if I was 'blind'! Interesting.
I will post more on this new idea later, once tested to destruction! ;-)
Now that some time has gone by and others are testing it seems the EC+Line system idea, as I put forward it, is now throwing up losing sessions for some people. I am not altogether surprised as I have had some protracted sessions with little or no profit myself but overall I personally have done quite well with it. I suppose it was really only a matter of time before the "killer run" of numbers had to surface eventually to dispel any hopes and dreams that it could run positive for very long periods. I believe I have been fortunate not to encounter such a run. Nevertheless, I am disappointed at the news as well. I am not now sure whether any further tweaks to the selection of EC or Line is going to make any appreciable difference in the long run... Maybe I was just kidding myself that it would work better with those in place. However, there is always something to learn. Others may say "I told you so" but I know I have tried with this but still, am happy to accept that this system is no better than any other or simply not a viable proposition. Thanks to those who tried it and reported back - and to those who are still winning - may you continue to do so with even more success!!
I think I will halt my play and withdraw from tests for a while and look at some of the other systems posted recently plus in the meantime I will wait for a new idea to show itself or ponder on new plan of attack or course of action.
A.
Rays numbers hit doz1 twelve times straight.. This is absolute limit from my observations. Ive seen 11 with random....9 with real spins
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 26, 04:59 AM 2013
Well, I just played your numbers, upto the last #6, and yes, even playing Atlantis new method, (with EC repeat tweak), U got a bad set of numbers there.
I lost 36.5 units in those 33 samples U posted.
workings out in the text sheet. :-(
thanks man for your time. Indeed bad set of numbers there. Must be tweaked somehow... I'm still working my brains out, although I cannot figure out why a session works just fine and never get down below 2-3 level of progression and another one (of more than 150 spins) is a total mess.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Because the progression ambush, when the wins come, after a long losing run, is just not up to the job.
As though the highway-man has been sent out with a Pea-Shooter, to rob a mail waggon!
The staff would laugh at him! LoL
Either, double the progression, and increase both halves of the bet (since You know for definate that wins will come),
or U got to do check-stops, and reset the game, maybe come back to it another time.
Think that is why Atlantis only ever plays short session games.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 26, 06:54 AM 2013
Now that some time has gone by and others are testing it seems the EC+Line system idea, as I put forward it, is now throwing up losing sessions for some people. I am not altogether surprised as I have had some protracted sessions with little or no profit myself but overall I personally have done quite well with it. I suppose it was really only a matter of time before the "killer run" of numbers had to surface eventually to dispel any hopes and dreams that it could run positive for very long periods. I believe I have been fortunate not to encounter such a run. Nevertheless, I am disappointed at the news as well. I am not now sure whether any further tweaks to the selection of EC or Line is going to make any appreciable difference in the long run... Maybe I was just kidding myself that it would work better with those in place. However, there is always something to learn. Others may say "I told you so" but I know I have tried with this but still, am happy to accept that this system is no better than any other or simply not a viable proposition. Thanks to those who tried it and reported back - and to those who are still winning - may you continue to do so with even more success!!
I think I will halt my play and withdraw from tests for a while and look at some of the other systems posted recently plus in the meantime I will wait for a new idea to show itself or ponder on new plan of attack or course of action.
A.
The obituary of an amazing system. Nice said and thank you for everything. I personally was so excited about it too... Now, there is nothing left to add.
Let's move on, we can do better.
Adrian.
Hi Atlantis and everyone
I agree with u; I have tested the system on live roulette and have also experienced several times
LLLLL's.....
The system is playing 24 numbers.....; The 24 numbers with which I have the best results
so far comes from B.Morton.
From my testing and playing with real $ on live Wheel it is quite rare to have 3 L's in a
row..... I play it just as ND indicated.
The link is below relating to the method is below:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11309.0
Cheers
Chris
HOLD THE FORTe!!!
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Just before a mutual friend of ours fly's off into the Western Sunset, he has sent me a means to break the mould.
I will post up a solution, and a new format when i get back from a shopping trip!.
Don't mind this one, cause i get a nice meal during it! LoL
Laters taters.
You can all smile now! ;D
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 26, 10:12 AM 2013
HOLD THE FORTe!!!
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Just before a mutual friend of ours fly's off into the Western Sunset, he has sent me a means to break the mould.
I will post up a solution, and a new format when i get back from a shopping trip!.
Don't mind this one, cause i get a nice meal during it! LoL
Laters taters.
You can all smile now! ;D
we are still here :)
waiting
:)
:)
Could it be GreatGrampa has a new angle on this??
Waiting like the others...
Oh- wait a minute! I think he did something different in the spreadsheet. Ah... I see! :)
A.
I see I may have been too hasty in dismissing my original progression idea for EC+Line. Having gone back and revisited it I can see now why Sam has been gaining so well. If we change the EC combo slightly as Chrisbis has implied and stick with the original progression as GreatGrampa shows then it might change for the better.
I will leave to Chrisbis to divulge in entirety...
:)
A.
Atlantis and all.........
I find nothing wrong this this idea just as written. I have just played a game at Always Cool Casino. They spin fast and one must think quickly. They have a crazy way of accepting your bets to make you think you bet wrong. Really nice folks!!
However...................
I played for $1 per EC and line, which is their minimum. I dropped about $50 in money before it turned around. I ended up with $11 profit for about six minutes on line. The stress got to me or I would have stayed longer. Lot of difference between betting dimes and dollars.
I know I have not had the absolutle RFH yet and I don't know how I'll handle it. Or if I will........
Still not ready to make any Johnlegend statements!!
Samster
any news on chrisbis tweak?
Try playing it with straight ups then? If hitrate is good, just like the "green grass" works perfect with 24 numbers bet.
I know, unhit numbers hit more, that's why i am working on non-repetition systems right now. All efforts with hotnumbers and repeats are wasted effort then In My Humble Opinion
This could be well adapted with straight up's I would play it like the green grass, just remove 2 numbers on low, and one number on the ds(recent hit numbers), and remove each number hit, until a new high.... with +1 negative progression
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 26, 11:49 AM 2013
:)
Could it be GreatGrampa has a new angle on this??
Waiting like the others...
Oh- wait a minute! I think he did something different in the spreadsheet. Ah... I see! :)
A.
Hi Atlantis I would like to do some more manual testing. Can you confirm are we testing on your Bet selection or GG?
Appreciated always Koolkat
Quote from: KoolKat on Jun 27, 12:38 AM 2013
Hi Atlantis I would like to do some more manual testing. Can you confirm are we testing on your Bet selection or GG?
Appreciated always Koolkat
Hi KoolKat,
OK. Good. I have to go out but I will explain GreatGrampa's way later in more detail - and it is not too different actually.
BTW, it did turn rayhd and serendipity's results into winning sessions.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 03:37 AM 2013
Hi KoolKat,
OK. Good. I have to go out but I will explain GreatGrampa's way later in more detail - and it is not too different actually.
by the way, it did turn rayhd and serendipity's results into winning sessions.
A.
Yes, I was watching how the master made my numbers sing.
Thank you!
Morning All.
Yes I can confirm that Great G has shown us how to tackle the wheel that is "playing its tune" against us.
Basically its to turn Ur bet on its head, if U get two losses in a row,
but also to "read" the wheel on each re-track.
So, at present, our BetSelection was:-
RO/BE....High + Line 3
or
RE/BO.....Low + Line 4
Now, if U get two losses in a row, change that to:-
RE/BO....High + Line 3
or
RO/BE.....Low + Line 4
It really all starts with what the wheel is throwing at U at the time U enter the fray.
Revert back again, once Won, or on another double loss.
The other trick, is to take the session, and break down into mini breaks, where Ur target is to make +3
Here is a snip screen copy of the Excel sheet Great G made for Serendipity numbers, and U can see for Urselves.
Note:
We don't bet every spin........
Make the +3 (target mini session/game), and then re-track. U will see in the excel shot.
(see the attached)
The progression discussion needs to continue, to see if the 1/0.5 or 1/1 balance is the best.
I favour the 1/0.5 as U win on EC landings. All goes towards that +3.0
...and here is a section of the Excel for Rayhd63's posted numbers.
Note the large play middle section, so they were tough numbers for sure.
The whole Excell for those interested.
Serendipity and Ray numbers.
(the Ray sheet is incorrectly titled Serendipity at the top of the sheet) ;)
Thanks Chrisbis - you beat me to it!
When Gramps mentions a "double loss" to cause a switch bet to opposite he means change the bet after 2 outright losing spins in succession where neither the EC or line bets won.
Gramps says:
"Revert back again, once Won, or on another double loss"
What I think he really means here is revert back on the next double loss - unless you reach the target win (3+) in which case restart the next game by returning to your usual starting color combo.
I'm with Chrisbis that there **may** be something in starting with a extra preliminary level of 1EC + 0.5Line - but still keeping the normal progression rules: up 1 on EC after overall loss on spin; up 1 on Line after 2 consecutive overall losses - except that the very first increase in the LINE bet would be up 0.5 to 1u. From then on the betting levels would follow the original progression rules...
A.
Another thing I do, and think Sam and others are also doing is if you get to a situation where your next bet according to the progression is say, "5uEC + 1uLine" is to do a +1 on the line, otherwise there is no profit to be gained on a line win... So the bet is adjusted to 5uEC + 2uLine.
I've had 3/3 wins +9.5u today and never needed to do the EC "switch" and my highest bet was 6EC and 2Line. I started with the 1EC + 0.5Line stake.
I'm playing with 20p "units".
A.
Atlantis
RE: Your above post.
I have modified my thinking, but either way is OK. If you have 5 on the EC and 1 on the line, the line is a push, but the EC pays a net of four. Your chances of an EC win vs a line win is 18 for the EC and 6 for the line.
Anyway you shake this tree, some good apples fall off.
Sam
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 10:45 AM 2013
Another thing I do, and think Sam and others are also doing is if you get to a situation where your next bet according to the progression is say, "5uEC + 1uLine" is to do a +1 on the line, otherwise there is no profit to be gained on a line win... So the bet is adjusted to 5uEC + 2uLine.
I've had 3/3 wins +9.5u today and never needed to do the EC "switch" and my highest bet was 6EC and 2Line. I started with the 1EC + 0.5Line stake.
I'm playing with 20p "units".
A.
did you start following the wheel according to the new method?
If so, I assume that if you started against the wheel like old system, you'd lost... or would have a hard time...
congrats!
Adrian.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 10:45 AM 2013
Another thing I do, and think Sam and others are also doing is if you get to a situation where your next bet according to the progression is say, "5uEC + 1uLine" is to do a +1 on the line, otherwise there is no profit to be gained on a line win... So the bet is adjusted to 5uEC + 2uLine.
I've had 3/3 wins +9.5u today and never needed to do the EC "switch" and my highest bet was 6EC and 2Line. I started with the 1EC + 0.5Line stake.
I'm playing with 20p "units".
A.
did you start following the wheel according to new method?
If so, I assume that if you'd started against the wheel like old system, you would have lost...
congrats!
Adrian.
ps: sorry for double post :(
Just delete one of them.
And I will delete this too, once U have done so.
Each Post author, has the ability to delete that which YOU and only YOU have posted/written. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 27, 01:47 PM 2013
Just delete one of them.
And I will delete this too, once You have done so.
Each Post author, has the ability to delete that which YOU and only YOU have posted/written. :thumbsup:
well... seems I'm not allowed to do that... anyway, let's move on.
:)
Quote from: Serendipity on Jun 27, 01:32 PM 2013
did you start following the wheel according to new method?
If so, I assume that if you'd started against the wheel like old system, you would have lost...
congrats!
I started the usual way with if RO/BE then play HIGH and Line 3; if RE/BO then play LOW and Line 4.
Gramps says that starting for or against the wheel (whatever that means) is just a matter of preference but that it is the "switching" that is the key!
But please correct me if I got it wrong, Chrisbis.
A.
Well, I think it would be a 'mistake' to be so rigid right from the start.
So, lets say the start point can be either way:-
RO/BE.......High + Line 3
and
RE/BO.......Low + Line 4
OR
RE/BO.......High + Line 3
and
RO/BE.......Low + Line 4
What we need, is which direction the first few plays should be,
by looking at the trend of the current wheel/spins performance
Hi Chrisbis,
Yes. Makes sense. Maybe take the side doing best out of last three results to be the start combo?
A.
hi Atlantis,
agree with that. seems like the trend of the current wheel performance lasts for many spins in a row, because I've noticed that the 'switch' is not performed many times during a session. So 'reading' the trend would make a difference.
Adrian.
Shall we take this over to the New Topic with the Right Title,
and we can throw some spins from somewhere at it,
and see what the indicators lead us to bet?
Good idea. I'm over there now.
A.
As I already have this coded for someone, I put on my "spatial intelligence" cap and noticed that when this system loses, it is because the Line Bet is losing for 15-20 consecutive spins.
And when it is in this losing cycle, it appears that the dominant Line is not the Line opposite but the Line that is the same as the Bet (H or L).
For example, when betting H you also bet Line 3. During a losing streak I noticed that the winning Line was 4 or 5 or 6.
So a suggestion might be to stop betting the Lines altogether when you get 3-4 Lines losses in a row. When they start winning again, then add them back.
Or try betting Line 4 with H or Line 3 with L when you have 3-4 consecutive Line Losses.
Just a thought . . .if I get some time, I might test out these scenarios . . .
Nick
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 27, 04:28 PM 2013
Shall we take this over to the New Topic with the Right Title,
and we can throw some spins from somewhere at it,
and see what the indicators lead us to bet?
count me in.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Nickmsi on Jun 27, 05:25 PM 2013
As I already have this coded for someone, I put on my "spatial intelligence" cap and noticed that when this system loses, it is because the Line Bet is losing for 15-20 consecutive spins.
And when it is in this losing cycle, it appears that the dominant Line is not the Line opposite but the Line that is the same as the Bet (H or L).
For example, when betting H you also bet Line 3. During a losing streak I noticed that the winning Line was 4 or 5 or 6.
So a suggestion might be to stop betting the Lines altogether when you get 3-4 Lines losses in a row. When they start winning again, then add them back.
Or try betting Line 4 with H or Line 3 with L when you have 3-4 consecutive Line Losses.
Just a thought . . .if I get some time, I might test out these scenarios . . .
Nick
yes, would be great to give us some specific examples.
thanks.
Quote from: eddy35 on Jun 08, 07:54 PM 2013
I posted this in "money management" but it should be posted here.
I just tried some bet combinations on Roulette X and the following seems to be very interesting.
I put 1 unit on a dozen and 1 unit on a double street ( from the other 2 dozens ), when I am on a new high, I start at 1 unit again. When lose I ad i unit to both. The bet selection was totaly random.
I played 2 sessions, 415 spins doubled my bankrol from 500 to 1005
Later I played a short session of 52 spins with a 51 unit profit. This sessions was very bad because in 52 spins I only hit the double street 5 times but still I was in profit.
What do you guys think about this kind of playing? I noticed that playing the dozen is like a little safety net, and when you hit the double street you always recover.
well I tried this thingy here ,and only a 1000 spin test on second dozen and sixth line and went to 1500 units at about 650 spins then it dropped to 1200 units at 1000 spins,I will keep testing this and see how far it goes.
Quote from: warrior on Jun 27, 07:34 PM 2013
well I tried this thingy here ,and only a 1000 spin test on second dozen and sixth line and went to 1500 units at about 650 spins then it dropped to 1200 units at 1000 spins,I will keep testing this and see how far it goes.
Hi Warrior,
what kind of progression did you use?
1200u... seems promising...
keep us posted.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Question for Atlantis:
I am unclear on the raising of the bet.
Loss 1 = raise EC by one unit
Loss 2 = raise EC by one unit AND line by one unit
OR
raise only the line bet and leave the EC where it was before the double loss.
Sam
I tried playing this method in several ways; A good way I find to play it
is to start betting as per the orginal version after 2 virtual losses.......
I then don't have to go very far in the progression......
Has anyone tried it this way.......??
Chris
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 06, 01:55 PM 2013
Question for Atlantis:
I am unclear on the raising of the bet.
Loss 1 = raise EC by one unit
Loss 2 = raise EC by one unit AND line by one unit
OR
raise only the line bet and leave the EC where it was before the double loss.
Sam
I have been doing like Greatgrampa explained.
Raise only the line bet and leave the EC where it was before the double loss.
Thanks, Yanks!! (Someone had to say it!)