I'm looking for Organic Roulette machines in Florida. If you have one nearby, let me know.
Thanks!
Is that machines that grow out of sterile casino grounds? :xd:
I think he's talking about Interblock's Organic Roulette ;)
link:://:.interblock.eu/products/G4/roulette/
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 21, 05:24 AM 2013
Is that machines that grow out of sterile casino grounds?
Great pun! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Xander on Jun 20, 03:13 PM 2013
I'm looking for Organic Roulette machines in Florida. If you have one nearby, let me know.
Thanks!
Xander,
At least two of the Seminole casinos have them. Immokalee and Brighton are the two that I'm familiar with and have played on both.
AD
I read this the first time at 3 am and I was a tad groggy. Could have sworn he said "Orgasmic Roulette". I went back to bed wondering about "orgasmic roulette". Well, I dozed off thinking about it and dreamed of a woman who put $100 between the Monster's eyes and it hit.
I shant go any further....
Has anyone seen Organic Roulette machines in Oklahoma?
Xander - Adulay will most likely remember me posting very negatively some time back about these Interblock Organic Machines.
In fact I now view them as GM machines = genetically modified roulette machines.
The most obvious difference is the 18, yes EIGHTEEN, oversize diamonds. Near enough any 2 diamonds covers 2 wheel pockets, ideal for the game to "channel" the ball to any 2 pocket sections of the wheel, with imperceptible wheel & ball speed changes to the players eyes.
Compare these diamonds to live dealer wheels, where the ones I saw only had 8 diamonds around the wheel circle & significantly smaller.
Why wouldn't they just have 8 normal wheel diamonds ? Also take note of the the steep down ramp apron from the ball track which allows the target pocket to be readily hit. With the deep pockets there is very little scatter or ball bounce.
So when you visit a casino with the Organic wheel just spend 10 minutes or so and compare the differences between the wheels.
Also try betting on the Interblock the minimum inside amounts & the maximum numbers to give 1 unit profit. Relocate your unbet numbers for each new spin.
I'll wager you'll lose a lot of money within 10 spins. There will be sessions where you do win but it's the continuing re-visits that count, the accumulation of wins & loses. The machine is interactive so it may be targeting other players to keep the cash flow coming the casinos way. Mostly players suffer in silence.
Good luck & keep a record of your plays & tell us here how you went ?
Just to add Re accumulation of wins & losses, naturally this is true of any gambling game but with roulette you have a fairer chance of winning by always playing live dealer.
Adulay or anybody can you truthfully say that you are in long term profit playing Interblock Organic because of the cheaper minimum rather than live dealer. ? Ad I think you are now concentrating on baccarat as you don't have to contend with the green goblin(s) ?
Ausguy,
14 oversized diamonds could actually be more advantageous to the player. The reason that 14 is better than just eight is because you're more likely to find a diamond directly at, or close to the highest point on an off level wheel. This should also make it easier to find any potential patterns within the data.
Quote from: ausguy on Jun 21, 02:16 PM 2013
Adulay or anybody can you truthfully say that you are in long term profit playing Interblock Organic because of the cheaper minimum rather than live dealer. ? Ad I think you are now concentrating on baccarat as you don't have to contend with the green goblin(s) ?
In my own case, I wouldn't qualify my play as anything resembling "serious" roulette play. I have merely dabbled with both machines when I came across them, although I have produced a singular $20 profit on one of them and less than $100 on the Brighton machine.
I will take a closer look at them to see about the 18 diamonds and the steep drop.
The scatter of the ball appeared to be "normal" to me, but then I don't see or play a lot of roulette so my opinion on it would not be as valid as a regular player.
Playing these machines because of their 'lower' minimums is NOT a reason to play as they are much higher than I would expect for these areas. $5 minimum on EC and $1 inside, minimum $5 is a bit high considering the demographic that these casinos cater to, especially the Brighton Indian casino.
However, I'll be sure and check it out a bit closer the next time I run on over to it.
AD
Quote from: Xander on Jun 21, 11:35 AM 2013
Has anyone seen Organic Roulette machines in Oklahoma?
All I've seen is Roulette Evolution.
Sam
Xander it's 18 diamonds not 14. Alarm bells should ring due to the 18 vs 8 comparison. That's 225% more oversize diamonds than a standard wheel ?
Besides they don't function like a normal wheel deflector that scatters the ball, they are ball TO pocket guides.
Also these machines are classed as electronic gaming machines = EGMs, the same as slots & RNG games, yes they look & feel like a real wheel but at least you should ask yourself WHY IS IT SO ? It's because the spins aren't true random events. These machines are set to run automatically unsupervised & give the casino its consistant profit %, just as slots do. The only way they can do that is to control the results.
It takes a lot of digging to find this info. on gaming regulators sites as Casinos don't (have to) display that an auto roulette wheel is an EGM ? The regulators have a lot of classifications for EGMs so it ain't easy to figure this stuff out.
As with slots, audits have to show that the COMBINED player % returns are being met. I read sometime ago about EGMs & that they use longer term stats to check the accuracy of payouts. Moving averages etc. This may be monthly or similar ? The computer program ensures that player payout % are always achieved over the longer term as they can't account for players short term bet decisions.
Winning & losing spikes are all part of it to keep the gambling challenge bug in players often coming back for another SESSION.
I doubt that the wheel would be off level ? When they set them up they accurately level them & probably do a check service at regular intervals ? Modern wheels have out of level detectors & statistical analysis to ID any bias.
A check of Interblocks PR shows Carbon fibre used in constructing the wheel surrounds & ball track. As in F1 they use it due to it's light weight/strength,toughness & machinability.
With CNC machining they can easily achieve micro millimetre accuracies, so in reality there is no high point & off level Organic wheels, in short a fallacy.
The main thing on Organic is that the wheel & ball speeds are controlled. Tracking patterns & dominant diamonds is a waste of time. From memory I think the ball (big as it is) spins in the same direction & mostly drops at the 9 o'clock position using zero @ 12 o'clock ? Think of it as a little robot inside watching, calculating & operating the control levers to regulate the ball & wheel speeds to hit the target no. most of the time. Remember inside the dome is a controlled enviroment.
When at the play check out if you can see any ball speed sensors ? LEDs in the ball track ? They use to have an overhead reader on the machine in 2010.
Graphics on their PR doesn't reveal an overhead ?
It doesn't matter anyway if the ball always drops at the same diamond because the bets have already timed out and with variable wheel speed any number can be put in the drop zone. Varying drop zones, if present, are only done to give the illusion of randomness.
I stand to be corrected that bets time out before the spin starts ? This prevents any VB or electronic prediction tracking ?
You may choose not to believe Xander that an Interblock Organic wheel can spin up any 2 number positions & often hitting unbet numbers ( these are casino winning & player losing numbers) but through many losing playing experiences in 2010 on them I have avoided DONATING money to them since then.
Always remember the computer program they have is interactive to the combined bets. Sure some players have won big on them but Interblock has made sure the casino has got it's cut. Winners generally return anyway to eventually DONATE all their profits & then some back to the wheel ? Notice how flashy the wheels are, brightly lit, nice colours, comfortable seats, convenient touch screen betting.
Wins your heart, wins your mind, wins YOUR money.
As in past posts on other threads on this same Interblock topic some have chosen not to believe my given facts & opinions. However, significantly, no player has come back on any of the threads & proven me wrong by reporting consistant winning Organic results using their chosen system. Viable amounts related to wages/salaries & the costs of living, not piece money that only buys a meal & a few beers ?
Winners often report their good luck, losers are usually less forthcoming. It's the nature of the gambling beast but it also distorts the true reality of the increase in RNG/EGM equipment in casinos. After all they don't have them so that the players can profit more often, quite the opposite.
Ad - Hi, just to dabble on Organic is a wise way to play.
I meant to say 18, not 14.
Contrary to believe, the deflectors are your friend.
And yes, the machines do produce dominant ball drop zones and are often off level.
The machine can be programmed to operate in different formats. Some spin the ball with six to roughly nine seconds remaining, others with zero to three seconds remaining, and others at -1 seconds to two seconds remaining.
The ball travel times and revs are very consistent, and vary little. The wheel does change speed, however some of the machines are programmed to stop changing wheels speeds before the ball is spun.
I suspect that you're confusing the Organic with the Megastar machine that is also being distributed. I'm quite familiar with the Organic machine.
-Xander
i was in florida at the hard rock near ft lauderdale...they had organic roulette and craps/sic bo,,, they seem to produce legit results even when im alone and betting 50-75 dollars i win.....the craps pays 3-1 on a field roll 12,,,i also played both in vegas this week
Xander - all good if you are winning ? Did you/are winning = in good profit playing the Organic machines ? As you don't actually say if you are/were successful?
In fact it's unclear if you've been to a casino for Organic play in Florida yet ?
The very best of luck if you have had regular success ?
Now some comment/questions on your last post of June 21.
1. How do you know the machines are "often off level" ? Do you carry a spirit level with you or are you very friendly with the service technicians ?
All the play action is within the plexiglass dome, so player access is not possible. As well the casino would be security aware with the cash note acceptors & cash boxes at each player terminal.
Normally players are excluded by the casino from gaining any "inside info." on any of their equipment, especially if they were being serviced ?
Techs don't ever talk to casino customers from my experience of casino visits over many years ?
Major servicing is not usually done on the casino floor anyway. That's what their workshops for. A levelling service (minor) could/would be done insitu.
2. Where did you gain the knowledge about the different programming formats of the ball & wheel speeds ?
3. In your post #1 of June 20 - Your were canvasing other posters as to Organic Roulette machines in Florida, then your asking the same thing for Oaklahoma ?
So by logic you wouldn't have any familarity with games in these locations ?
4. I'm 100% sure I'm not confusing the organic machine. The full ID is Interblock Organic (can't you ID the Interblock logos somewhere on the play area ?), go to their web site & check if you disbelieve. VLS has the link @ post #3 on this thread.
If you have the familiarity you say have have, then you should already know this ? Organic is the only wheel that has 18 diamonds & that's the only one I've been talking about.
Megastar doesn't have 18 diamonds & the same design as Organic as these designs are, like all equipment, copyright.
Tomla - You say you won on Organic @ the Hard Rock Casino. Good luck to you. How long did you play for ? How much did you outlay/profit ?
Adulay said he'd "dabbled" recently & won around $20 & $100.
What it seems with all the discussions on the Interblock Organic machine is that no player has come on to any thread (VLS or CC) & claimed they'd had a serious session with a realistic bank roll eg $1k+ and played with a workable system/method + a playable progression. No player has ever reported that they have been consistant winners or at least in profit playing Organic over time ?
This really comes down to playing Organic vs a live dealer wheel. Live wheel is way more popular than Organic, now why would that be ?
My observations on the Interblock Organic at my local casino - Sydney Ozz - Is that mostly the seats to the game are vacant & the players that do play don't last/stay for long. In fact the 2 different Auto roulette games have been moved from their previously prominent positions & now "reside in a quieter backwater area" of the casino.
All this really means is that the players "$$$ hip pocket nerve" has spoken.
Xander - Just to be straight up with you, I'm somewhat concerned as to the genuiness of your thread/posts on here ?
I base this on the fact that you are a 4 poster "NEWBIE" & your ID is intentionally vague & your location is very wise guy & unfunny - stated as "HERE".
Trying to join the dots on your MO on here doesn't add up for me ? Where do you actually live ?
Where to next after Florida & Oaklahoma, Alaska or maybe Hawaii perhaps ?
QuoteXander - Just to be straight up with you, I'm somewhat concerned as to the genuiness of your thread/posts on here ?
I base this on the fact that you are a 4 poster "NEWBIE" & your ID is intentionally vague & your location is very wise guy & unfunny - stated as "HERE".
Trying to join the dots on your MO on here doesn't add up for me ? Where do you actually live ?
Where to next after Florida & Oaklahoma, Alaska or maybe Hawaii perhaps ?
I don't know why you're concerned with the "genuiness" of my thread. I'm not selling anything, and I'm not here to attack anyone.
I'm simply looking for the locations of every Organic Roulette Machine that I can find. To be specific, I'm looking for a certain program configuration that exists on some of the machines. I've already scouted a large part of the US for the machines, but now I'm filling in the holes where I find them. I'm simply using forum members to help me fill in some holes on where to find specific machines.
As far as where I live, I'm in the middle of the US.
Regarding the "Newbie" part: I'm far from being a Newbie when it comes to roulette or the Organic Machines. I'm simply "new" to this forum, which is rather annoying, since posts take forever to be approved. Why, I don't know. I've never been on a forum where I had to wait for a post to be approved.
Regarding Hawaii, it's too far away. It's not part of the US mainland.
By the way, I believe the forum setting automatically set the location as "Here". However, I will take the time right now to correct the location setting.
Again, I have NOTHING to sell.
-Xander
Oaklahoma
I love it! This fall when I'm raking my billion oak leaves, I'll think of you Ausguy!!
Sam
I believe the machine I played in Deadwood, SD the last few years is also an "Organic" machine.
I'll check it out this August when I head back up there for the annual Sturgis motorcycle run.
As to not winning a lot on the machines, in my case it's because I don't normally play roulette.
However, this "may" change in the future if some ideas come full circle, but I'm not holding out for them at this time.
You guys have piqued my interest now and I'll have to make the 80 mile run over to Brighton and write down all of the things you guys have brought up about the Organic machines. I'll attempt to take pictures as it's never very busy there, especially in the summer months.
AD
Hi
Im not here to pick an argument or anything.....I have played roulette and baccarat on the organic machines in CT but the machines where removed , I use progressions and had over $100 bets on them with no issues. In florida I played a progression for a double field hit on craps . moving up the line to over $100 bets and have had no issues. I actually caught the pays 3-1 12 bet twice on 100 plus bets. The issue is that when they bring the machines in they have programming problems etc..was in Vegas on the main strip staying at the Cosmopolitan but saw several of the machines in a few casinos last week. They are def coming in to replace dealers salaries and the machines are getting better.
The reason people prefer real live dealers is that real live dealers have been around for ever and these robot machines are a wave of the future. The minimums aren't low either on the machines.....
2cat - Oaklahoma - Twister Alley. 1 Billion leaves - you must have a lot of trees ? Thinking of me when raking your leaves, now that's a first for me >
Sturgis - So many bikes, so many people. No doubt will hear from you about things if you get to Deadwood.
Tomla - What's your play MO, Hit & Run ? Do you have a target win amount & if so how often do you make it ?
As to auto wheels being the future I don't see it. Live dealer Theatre roulette is here now, even at the local casino here in Sydney OZ.
Rapid Roulette/baccarat has 3 dealers that service 200 seated terminals. That shrinks about 20 tables/dealers down to just 3. Saving 17 pay packet wages.
A lot of people will only play chip roulette. They want the excitement of betting with other gamblers. Casinos will always have chip games. What they have now covers all bases.
You mentioned the Organic machines at CT being removed, any idea why ? Profit too low perhaps ? If they were making good money why flick them ?
Perhaps for the same reason my local casino moved the auto wheels to a quieter area (as I've previously mentioned) ?
I think as you say the players like the live dealers and gravitate towards the robot machines for lower wagers but when they sit down the wagers are no lower (first time I sat down I figured 1 dollar bets? but no they are 10$ ). The ones at foxwoods and Mohegan I have no idea but they where broken down a lot? for whatever reason I like the craps and will play it when I see it , I don't have to worry about advantage dice rollers etc....roulette I still play at live tables 98% of the time
Quote from: Ausguy1. How do you know the machines are "often off level" ? Do you carry a spirit level with you or are you very friendly with the service technicians ?
All the play action is within the plexiglass dome, so player access is not possible. As well the casino would be security aware with the cash note acceptors & cash boxes at each player terminal.
Normally players are excluded by the casino from gaining any "inside info." on any of their equipment, especially if they were being serviced ?
Techs don't ever talk to casino customers from my experience of casino visits over many years ?
Major servicing is not usually done on the casino floor anyway. That's what their workshops for. A levelling service (minor) could/would be done insitu.
It's really quite simple. All you need to do is track the ball drop distribution. In other words, track where the ball smacks the deflectors/diamonds on the apron each spin. No "spirit level" is required. As a matter of fact, a drop distribution test works much better than a level. Some wheel manufacturers, such as TCS Huxley have begun adding drop distribution sensors into the bowls of their live roulette wheels, as a way of spotting wheels with a "biased ball drop". However, it's more of an upgrade gimmick by the manufacturers. In the US, many casinos don't pay very close attention to the drop sensors. They're more interested in table hold. They consider putting a level on the wheel each day to be adequate. By the way, some machine servicing IS done on the floor, since the machines are quite large, and very heavy.
Quote from: Ausguy2. Where did you gain the knowledge about the different programming formats of the ball & wheel speeds ?
Through careful observation. It's not rocket science. Some machines spin the ball with several seconds remaining, some don't. On some of the machines the ball makes an average of 11 revs. On others it makes an average of 17. Some versions get more spins per hour than other machines. It all depends on the settings.
Quote from: Ausguy3. In your post #1 of June 20 - Your were canvasing other posters as to Organic Roulette machines in Florida, then your asking the same thing for Oaklahoma ?
So by logic you wouldn't have any familarity with games in these locations ?
Casinos are rapidly adding these machines. Oklahoma has 94 Indian owned casinos and isn't too far away for me to drive. None of the OK casinos have live roulette. However, some casinos may now be adding them, since most states consider them to be slot machines. A good example is Arizona. They don't permit live roulette, but now they permit the airball machines like Roulette Evolution, Organic Roulette, Megastar, and Shuffle Masters version.
Regarding Florida: I like Florida during the summer and I enjoy the ocean and the beach. Hillsboro beach is a great place to stay. While I'm there I want to play some of the Organic Machines within the region.
Quote from: Ausguy4. I'm 100% sure I'm not confusing the organic machine. The full ID is Interblock Organic (can't you ID the Interblock logos somewhere on the play area ?), go to their web site & check if you disbelieve. VLS has the link @ post #3 on this thread.
If you have the familiarity you say have have, then you should already know this ? Organic is the only wheel that has 18 diamonds & that's the only one I've been talking about.
Megastar doesn't have 18 diamonds & the same design as Organic as these designs are, like all equipment, copyright.
I'm very familiar with them and have even read some of the patents. I just wasn't sure if YOU knew much about them. I meant to say 18 deflectors. Before you assume that you know that no other machine has 18 diamonds you should do more research. There are several different machines (Other than Interblock) being distributed. New designs and distributors are showing up every week.
A side note on real wheels: At one time, standard roulette wheels had twice the number of deflectors that they do now. The reason wheel engineers reduced the number of deflectors was to reduce the predictability of the wheels by wheel watchers. (Visual ballistic players.)
-Xander
Xander - Moderator delays for newbies is standard & is a filter against spam & unpleasant posts. This was brought in due to problems in past years.
You can contact a Mod. via the forum if you need more answers.
Re : your mention about you not selling anything, I'm at a loss to why you brought it up as I never said anything to you about that kind of thing ?
As to the 18 deflector thing. What other maker has 18 deflectors ? I can only go by what I see here in OZ which only has about 8% of the USA population.
So way less casinos but all quality venues that have most of the latest on offer world wide.
As to tagging Auto wheel roulette as slot machines that's almost correct. Worldwide they are classed as EGMs Electronic game machines.
Slots/Airball/RNG are all in the same ballpark. Why ? Because a computer program controls the results.
That's why I don't play any of them. My previous posts detail this. It's all for viewing at most Gaming Authorities Sites.
As to the patent thing that's all well & good for the physical part but the CPU & associated software program technical info. would not be revealed in the patent information.
All that operating data is highly confidential information & would never be available to outsiders like us for obvious reasons. Only a select authourised
few. It's not rocket science you say. HA! HA! HA! Maybe not but not far off it.
If your knowledge gives you an edge to win decent amounts on a regular basis on selected ORGANIC machines then good fortune to you. By decent amounts I would think at least an average weeks pay per day. I assume your plan is to short period bet at each location to "fly under the radar" In OZ that would be at least $1k per day. If your driving/flying then food/accommodation/ travel all eats into the bottom line.
Overall Xander my view is that you won't profit in a viable way playing Interblock Organic. I'm still waiting for someone to come along & prove me wrong by showing me big wads of high denomination US dollar bills or similar from their multi, multi, multi wins. I feel it may be something akin to waiting for the sun to rise from the West.
As you spoke about real wheels you may be interested in visiting on line the wheel makers site Cammergh.com. They have details on their new wheels that have variable rotor speeds, air jet holes in the ball track, new design ball pockets for dealer wheels that gives increased randomness.
Also, incredible as it may seem, I do know where Hawaii is. Being an Island out in the Pacific obviously I know it's not part of Mainland USA.
Capt. James Cook of England mapped it in 1778. The same guy that found & claimed Australia & New Zealand for England.
QuoteOverall Xander my view is that you won't profit in a viable way playing Interblock Organic. I'm still waiting for someone to come along & prove me wrong by showing me big wads of high denomination US dollar bills or similar from their multi, multi, multi wins. I feel it may be something akin to waiting for the sun to rise from the West.
Ausguy,
Yes, the machines aren't for everyone. They're very complex. You should probably stick to the live game
-Xander
Xander - Yes "DAD" thanks for the advice. Obviously you haven't absorbed, amongst a number of things, from my posts that I only promote "sticking" to a live dealer game ? I've already mentioned many times why I don't play Organic, so why do suggest something that's already "set in concrete" by me ?
You being the self professed GURU of Interblock Organic MAY in due time reveal how successful or unsuccessful you are/were with your play ?
Meanwhile, with the sun still rising in the East, I'll stick with the live dealers.
QuoteI'm somewhat concerned as to the genuiness of your thread/posts on here
Ausguy,
Just curious, why did you post that comment?
I've had my say on Organic Roulette on this thread & in the interests of not escalating futile arguments, I'll now step back out of here & watch things from the sidelines.
Maybe there will be posts of interest ? Maybe there won't ?