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Title: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 28, 11:20 AM 2013
New project.
Inside number method.
Follows Trend.
Semi mechanical.
Some application of previous spin numbers.
Still working on Rules, flexibility and Progressions.
Testing at BV European Roulette RNG. (Real Money test!)

So far, in three days of tests, its producing nice ROI figures.  :P
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 28, 11:37 AM 2013
As soon as I get to 50% ROI, I quit that session, and reset the game. Job done.  :thumbsup:

Small insight as to the bet there, but its not always this much cover!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 28, 12:02 PM 2013
Doesn't always work to plan, tho recovery complete, and next target met!  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: atlantis on Jun 28, 01:30 PM 2013
Ahh.. so this is the new project you've been working on.
Just to let you know that I will be following the topic to see how it develops over the coming days.
May I ask what is the reason for the title "9 till 5"? Are you going to be playing it throughout those daylight hours, then? ;)
A.
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Serendipity on Jun 28, 02:28 PM 2013
give us more...

what's your BisCending 9 till 5 all about?

Kind regards,
Adrian
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 28, 03:32 PM 2013
well, its not about Dolly Parton!
lol

I will provide more details, tho I am still establishing the basics & rules.

Safe to say, its an inside bet.....and logically follows on from my previous idea BisCending9
which, if U know anything about it, is a "Follower Bet", and places a start bet of 9 inside numbers.
The basis of the BisCending9, & the Bet position of the 9 numbers, is made by taking the FTL brigade.

The last spin, becomes the starting point of the BisCending9, and I call it the "Pivot Point" number.
Taking the wheel arrangement of the numbers, the "Pivot Number" is the Center of our 9 numbers, and we place a bet on that number (FTL), and 4 numbers each side of it (as shown on the wheel).

Example......
FTL...........lets say the result number is #10

Our 9 number bets, is now:-

                  10
11,30,8,23,      5,24,16,33 in visual order on the wheel/racetrack
(1 unit on each (to suit Ur casino))

We would normally play two different games at this stage.
Both are progressed, in tradition Marty, Fibo or Modified versions.

1. We stay with the last spin (FTL is our starting point), and we remain on this bet selection,
    till we Win, or hit our stop-loss buffers.
2. We move the bet, and remain true to FTL, still progressing as we go.
    The next number spun, is the next "Pivot Point", and so on.

The session, can also be a mix of the two bets styles, :- staying on song, or moving with the results.

This is the "9" bit of the Bis9till5.

More to come on the 5 part, once U have digested the first part.
The progression list is to be confirmed, since my Original BisCending9, started with 9 numbers,
and then grew by 2 numbers on each loss.
So, the sector we would be covering, grows by 1 number, each side of the "Pivot Point", after each loss.
The progression list for this was horrible!
No two ways of putting it.
Of course, its trying to recover our deposited losses, (spent $), and make a profit.
My original list started at 9 numbers, and ended with 25 numbers.

More to come shortly, on "5"
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 28, 04:38 PM 2013
Bis9till5

I have designed this bet, after much thought about my original BisCending9.

though BisCending9 could be very successful, as with a lot of these progression style bets.
Its failure comes when one sector never gets hit again, after starting the bet off.
It was too rigid in structure, and needed to be flexible.
Obviously, one answer (as I mentioned above), would be to continually move the bet,
with a FTL.........but there is still the chance of absolute failure,
if the results jump around ahead of the "sweeping" and increasing width of bet.

So....how to cure the hangover.

How does one prevent a jumping result, from getting the away from the pack?

One possible answer is 9till5.

We start the bet off, by finding our first "Pivot Point".
staying with FTL result, we decide to start our bet sequence off,
and take a spin number.
Now, I hope U stay with me here, (I have been told, it may be a lot to take in for starters,
though experience players should get it).........

Our chosen start number is say #10

#10 = "Pivot Point" and also now our = "Leading Edge Pivot Point"

So, for notation purposes, #10 (our first number), will be known as "Leading Edge PP"
(U will see why in a moment)

We place a bet, using #10 "LeadingEdgePP" on the felt.

Our bet is:-
                 10
11,30,8,23,      5,24,16,33 (again, visual order on the wheel/racetrack)

If its the start of our bet (new game), we can spin, and see what results.

If we win, we bank the gain, either re-bet for a second bite at the cherry,
or, re-track, and find our next bet opportunity.
If we lose, the next part of Bis9till5 clicks in.

Note.......There are many many ways of playing this new design, but I will show U just one of them.

So, here goes...........lets say the next spin result is #32 (a loss)

The new number (#32), Last Spin, now becomes your New "LeadingEdgePP"
So, our new bet, is now:-

                   32
35, 3, 26, 0,      15, 19, 4, 21

Then, we add some trend to this bet, without over loading the table/felt,
or reducing our ROI.
The addition I call my "Trailing Edge", and, in the same way we placed the "LeadingEdgePP",
the "TrailingEdge" has its own "Pivot Point" (PP), and thus, becomes, for notation purpose:-
"TrailingEdgePP"

Trailing Edge bet is only 5 numbers, and we use our Losing Previous spin,
to give us the "TrailingEdgePP"

So, to summerize......

#32 = new "LeadingEdgePP"=9 numbers centered around #32
#10 = new "TrailingEdgePP"= 5 numbers centered around #10

Our total bet is 9 + 5= 14 inside numbers.
The cover is 37% on a European Zero Wheel/Roulette...........(without "Overlap")
(Will explain "Overlap" later)

So......for each loss, we take the last spin, make that our 9 number "LeadingEdgePP"
and we take our DBL, as our 5 number "TrailingEdgePP"

Lets see if You can all get your heads around that.

14 numbers, inside bet, FTL = LeadingEdge bet, plus, DBL = TrailingEdge Bet

Here is what that bet would look like.
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 28, 04:48 PM 2013
I forgot to mention a little summary of this bet.

LeadingEdge numbers, are the first part of Ur new bet, and uses the
LeadingEdgePP resulting spin, to centre the bet. (FTL spin)

TrailingEdge numbers, are the second part or Ur new bet, and uses the
TrailingEdgePP previous result spin, to center the bet, (DBL spin)

The beauty for me is several fold.
ROI is large, though not too massive.
We are covering 14/37 numbers            37%
It picks up "Direct Repeaters" instantly.
It picks up "Every Other number Repeaters" instantly
It hones in on Hot numbers, as well as Hot Sectors.
It follows the "Hoping Mad" trend of the wheel
Its easy to place the bet (at BV anyways, though I could imagine problems on B & M casino!)
Its bottable! & Trackable.


And, the variations are  beautiful to quantify.
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 28, 05:07 PM 2013
Bis9till5......Overlap

Using LeadingEdgePP, and TrailingEdgePP........

As some of You might have already seen, if You have tried this method,
occasionally, there will be time, when the two sets of numbers
(9 LeadingEdge numbers, and the 5 TrailingEdge numbers), will overlap
when the bet is placed onto either the table, or the RaceTrack(if that option is available).

My preference is to always go for the full overlap, even though that will produce
so numbers with more than 1 unit on them.

But........
If the overlap, is a complete overlap, ie, all 5 numbers of the TrailingEdge numbers will  be placed over the already placed 9 LeadingEdge numbers, then You could decide to not play the TrailingEdge numbers at all.

This way, U will save 5 units for later betting.

If the overlap is 3 or less, I would always go for the extra units, and play the overlap.
If focuses on Hot sectors, and U get a nice bonus on low progression levels.
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jun 29, 07:17 PM 2013
I think I blew everyone's mind!

Anyway, I will continue, as it helps with my therapy.

Bis9till5........Variety.

though I said in my early post, that I nearly always overlap........there are some occasions when I vary that decision.
One of those times, is when I'm losing! LoL
Ha Ha, your thinking, hell, we always lose at times!

This is a very fluid method I'm posting here, I only thought of it a week ago, though it does have 'form'!

Variety.
The first half, or choice of this bet, is to take the latest number, (our "LeadingEdgePP")
and places the 9 number component bet.
9 numbers, centered on that Pivot Point. 4 numbers one side, and 4 numbers the other side
(wheel based arrangement.......see the example in the 6th post.)
Then the DBL result, (our "TrailingEdgePP"), is our second half,
and places the 5 numbers component bet.
This makes 14 inside numbers in Total.

Here's the switch we can make.
The "LeadingEdge", and the "TrailingEdge", can be interchangable,
thus that the FTL result, becomes the "TrailingEdge",
and the DBL result, becomes the "LeadingEdge" bet.

And this choice of selection, is entirely your decision.

Also, this is not necessarily a "Bet Every Spin" method.
Depends greatly on several factors.

One of which, is the desire to capture repeaters, which I think this bet is good at doing.
It maybe, that, that is ALL its good at, only testing and time will tell.

Now, more on..... "Overlap"

If, lets say, we have a situation, where the first half of our bet, ("LeadingEdge"),
equals the number #32,
then the bet placement is thus:-
                   32
35, 3, 26, 0,      15, 19, 4, 21

and, lets imagine the previous number to that, was #25

The choice is, to play the two numbers, and make our total =14 played units,
though covering only 13 numbers, since number #21 will be covered twice (2 units).
One could choose, to shift the second placement bet, one number to the right,
center the 5 bets on #17, and now capture and cover the #6, reverting back to having 14 unique
numbers covered (14 x 1 units bet)

Obviously, this movement choice can be a little more complex, esp if U make the call, to switch the
"LeadingEdge" and the [/b]"TrailingEdge"[/b] around, because of how the game is going,
or to "Pick-Up" repeater numbers that You can see near to the scene of where Ur bet is being aimed.




Progressions are next........................
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Serendipity on Jul 01, 09:42 AM 2013
Hi there,

news or update? :)

I can't wait to test it and win big.

Thanks,

Adrian
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jul 01, 10:30 AM 2013
Tweaking and adding new feature to the bet sequence.

Later this week will update.
I'm going to try and make a tracker for it.
GreatGrampa sent me something to think about as an addition to the basics!
cheers
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jul 02, 09:18 PM 2013
"Yanks" Wiesbaden Spins from early post.

[reveal]
7
25
0
5
36
5
3
20
24
23
9
12
25
25
1
1
29
8
18
34
7
4
16
22
4
12
5
30
2
4
4
17
17
14
26
22
7
25
35
25
0
4
5
12
3
24
22
12

Those are the spins.
Here is the Telemetry.

Lets say BR=300
Spins, W/L,  Out,  In, Net, BR,            Notes
7                                             300   Tracking First spin, Bet 9u Center on #7 (Level 1)       
25        L,     -9,     0      -9    291       Bet 9u Cnrt on #25 + 5u Cnrt on #7
0          L,    -14     0     -23   277       Bet 9u Cnrt on #0   + 5u Cnrt on 25
5          L     -14     0     -37   263       Bet 18u Cnrt on #5  + 10u Cnrt on 0 (Level 2) (3 losses in Row)
36        L     -28     0     -65   235       Bet 27u Cnrt on #36  + 15u Cnrt on 5 (Level 3)
5          W   -42   108    +1    301       Bet 9u Cnrt on #5 + 5u Cnrt on #36 (Level 1)
3          L    -14      0     -13   287       Bet 18u Cnrt on #3 + 10u Cnrt on #5 (Level 2)
20        L    -28      0     -41   259       Bet 27u Cnrt on #20 + 15u Cnrt on #3 (Level 3)
24        W   -42   108    +25  325       Bet 9u Cnrt on #24 + 5u Cnrt on #20 (Level 1)
23        W   -14    36     +47  347       Bet 9u Cnrt on #23 + 5u Cnrt on #24 (New Hi)
9          L    -14      0     +33  333       Bet 9u Cnrt on #9  + 5u Cnrt on #23
12        L    -14      0     +19  319       Bet 18u Cnrt on #12 +10u Cnrt on #9 (Level 2)
25        L    -28      0     -9     291       Bet 27u Cnrt on #25  +15u Cnrt on #12 (Llvl3)
25        W  -42    108    +57  357       Bet 9u Cnrt on #25 only (full overlap)(New Hi)(Level 1)
1          L    -9       0     +48   348       Bet 9u Cnrt on #1 + 5u Cnrt on #25
1          W  -14     36    +70   370       Bet 9u Cnrt on #1 only (full overlap)(New Hi)
29        L    -9       0     +61   361       Bet 9u Cnrt on #29 + 5u Cnrt on #1
8          L   -14      0     +47   347       Bet 18u Cnrt on #8 + 10u Cnrt on #29 (Level 2)
18        W  -28     72    +91   391       Bet  9u Cnrt on #18 + 5u Cnrt on #8 (Level 1)(New Hi)
34        L   -14      0     +77   377       Bet 18u Cnrt on #34 + 10u Cnrt on #18 (Lvl 2)
7         W  -28      72   +121  421       Target Reached +100 Session Over, :-)
4
16
22
4
12
5
30
2*
4*
4*
17*
17*
*All winning numbers (4sets)
14
26
22*
7*
Winning combo
25
35*
25*
winning combo
0*
4*

5
12*winning combo
3*

24
22
12
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Priyanka on Jul 02, 09:39 PM 2013
That's cool...    Holding up so far! So are you playing with a target of 100?  Is there any stop losss
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jul 03, 12:35 AM 2013
Yes......I would build a trailing stop-loss,
as previously discussed.
Would be sensible...........  :wink:
I may, finish the sequence, by banking £100 and reset the
method to level 1 with increased bank of £ 321 & play through the rest of the spins.......but that is only because I know what's coming !!
The multiple winning combo next is interesting. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jul 03, 07:47 PM 2013
Useful numbers and their wheel based layout.........(European Wheel)

  0=   12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4
  1=   5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9
  2=   15,19,4,21,2,25,17,34,6
  3=   7,28,12,35,3,26,0,32,15
  4=   0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17
  5=   30,8,23,10,5,24,16,33,1
  6=   2,25,17,34,6,27,13,36,11
  7=   9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3
  8=   13,36,11,30,8,23,10,5,24
  9=   1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7
10=   11,30,8,23,10,5,24,16,33
11=   6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10
12=   18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0
13=   17,34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8
14=   16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18
15=   3,26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2
16=   23,10,5,24,16,33,1,20,14
17=   4,21,2,25,17,34,6,27,13
18=   14,31,9,22,18,29,7,28,12
19=   26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25
20=   24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22
21=   32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17,34
22=   20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7,28
23=   36,11,30,8,23,10,5,24,16
24=   8,23,10,5,24,16,33,1,20
25=   19,4,21,2,25,17,34,6,27
26=   28,12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19
27=   25,17,34,6,27,13,36,11,30
28=   22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26
29=   31,9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35
30=   27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10,5
31=   33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29
32=   35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4,21
33=   10,5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31
34=   21,2,25,17,34,6,27,13,36
35=   29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0,32
36=   34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: ves on Jul 15, 12:34 PM 2013
This is VERY interesting Chris - you've got me hooked. Looking forward to seeing more of your findings. A bot would be perfect for this.
Keep up the good work.
:smile:
Title: Re: Bis 9 till 5
Post by: Chrisbis on Jul 15, 05:53 PM 2013
Excel sheet under construction!! stay tuned!