Here's an idea that looks like it might have some legs. It combines 2 methods that are solid on their own. Put them them together and they're even better.
This is played on an even chance bet. Any even chance will work. Roulette, baccarat, craps, blackjack, etc...
We will be playing a mechanical bet selection method. I know, mechanical bet selection methods always lose in the long run. But this is the best mechanical bet selection method ever. Does that mean that in three and a half centuries no one else has come up with this even chance bet selection method? Yes! Everyone else has been blinded by some idiosyncrasy that has caused them to overlook this method. Only I have been gifted enough to see clearly this ultimate selection method that will single handedly doom the world's roulette wheels to the trash heap of history. :-X
What is this miraculous bet selection method? It is to play for triples. I know, all you longtime forum members and system creators have just hit your forehead with the palm of your hand and thought, "Of course, why didn't I think of that." You didn't think of it because you're not me! (Can you sense my Southern story telling gift bubbling to the surface?)
Here's how it works. If we get a Red, we expect to get two more Reds. Once we get 3 Reds in a row, we then bet for a switch to Black. If we get the switch, we play for two more Blacks, or three total, then switch back to Red, etc...
While playing for a triple, if we get a switch to the other color before we get a triple, we start playing the other color for a triple.
There are a couple of exceptions to this basic pattern rule. If we get RBBR we now start playing for the doublets to continue. So our next bet would be for the 2nd Red. As soon as we get a loss, we are back to playing for triples.
If we get RBR we now start playing for the singles to continue. As soon as we get a loss, we are back to playing for triples.
That's the bet selection process except for how to handle the zero. If we get a zero while betting for a triple, it is a loss, but it counts toward the triple. So if we get RR and then we get a zero. We lose our bet, but the zero is counted as the 3rd Red and we now switch to Black.
If we are playing for doublets or singles, and we get a zero it doesn't take the place of a doublet or single, rather it causes us to immediately revert back to playing for triples. For example, if we are playing for doublets and we have RBBRRBBR and then a zero, this ends our doublets and we revert to playing for triples. Simple and highly effective.
Now for the progression.
This is a little more complicated, though it's very easy to play. It is also extremely safe and boring, but that's what we want.
We begin by betting 1 unit on each spin. We continue to bet 1 unit until we lose 3 times in a row. Once we lose 3 times in a row we bet 3 units on the next bet. We do this because our bet selection method is the most powerful bet selection method in the world and we don't expect to lose 4 times in a row. Therefore, we can take a recovery risk if we lose 3 times in a row.
We continue to play at the 1 unit level until we lose 2 recovery bets in a row and are at least 8 units down. If we lose 3 times in a row and lose on the recovery bet and later we lose 3 times in a row and win on the recovery bet, this wipes out the 1st recovery bet loss. We must lose 2 recovery bets in a row.
I say that we have to be at least 8 units down because the bet selection is so powerful that we often win enough of the lost units between 3 unit losses that the 2nd lost recovery bet doesn't put us that far down and we only want to move to the next level when it's necessary. Otherwise, we could just stay at the 1 unit level and continue to play a flat bet until we have 3 losses in a row and then make a recovery attempt. By the way, this is an acceptable way to play if you like extreme safety.
When we lose 2 recovery bets in a row and are at least 8 units down, we assess our units in the hole and if they are an even number, we divide by 2 and write that many 2's down to be recovered. If we're down an odd number of units, say 9 or 11, we add 1 unit to the total and divide by 2 and write that number of 2's down. These represent the amount we have to recover. We also begin betting 2 units each bet instead of 1 unit.
We remain at the 2 unit level playing just like we did at the 1 unit level until we recover back to -4 or less at which time we drop back to the 1 unit level, or we lose 2 recovery attempts at the 2 unit level and are at least -16 units in the hole. Then we move to the 3 unit level.
At the 3 unit level, if we reach -8 or less, we drop back to the 2 unit level. If we lose 2 recovery attempts in a row at the 3 unit level, this ends our basic play. We shouldn't be more than 50 units in the hole at this point.
If you want to go on to recovery levels, you can use the following bet levels.
Basic play = 1, 2 and 3 unit levels (50 unit buy-in)
Recovery 1 = 2, 4 and 6 unit levels (100 unit buy-in)
Recovery 2 = 4, 8 and 16 unit levels (200 unit buy-in)
There's no suggested win target. With a good system you should be able to play until you're ready to quit.
Lifetime bankroll is 350 units.
When you win, send some of your winnings to TCS to help him pay for some of the bots he's been willing to shell out for. :lol:
Have fun,
GLC
George, your posts are always so entertaining. Great to see you still plugging away. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 11, 09:30 PM 2013
George, your posts are always so entertaining. Great to see you still plugging away. Thanks for sharing.
I'm taking your signature to heart Wally. So far I'm still a crank!
Cheers my friend,
I'm still playing this one.
I don't think I'll make another post until I lose 350 units with this system.
I'm turning my PM's off so if you don't hear from me again you'll know why.
GLC
good stuff george i hope not to hear from ya:)
As some of you know, I'm GLC's brother. Since he's still winning and doesn't want to go back on his word, he asked me to make a post for him. Seems silly to me, but what the hey?
I guess he's decided that the original bet progression, which is based on the TrioPlay method is too slow for his playing style. Now, he's playing it with a negative progression. He says it's much easier to keep track of and you don't need paper and pen. It can be done in your head.
Play for +10 units. Start with a 1 unit bet and stay at a 1 unit bet until you have 3 losses in a row. At that time you can either double your unit size for the recovery bet, or you can triple it. You decide. Whichever you do, if you win, you stay at the same bet level. If you lose, you add 1 to your bet size and play the same way at the next bet level.
You don't drop down a level until you reach +10 or whatever your target is.
Like he says, you should be able to adjust the parameters of this system to suit your playing style.
Regarding the zero, it counts as a loss, but ignore it as far as determining patterns.
If you have RBBRRB0, the next bet is for B.
If you have RRRBB0, the next bet is for B.
If you have RRBRB0, the next bet is for an R.
The zero doesn't affect patterns. It's just easier to play this way.
The only thing you have to keep track of is how many losses in a row you've had. One way to keep track is to count zero after every win. On the 1st loss count 1. On the 2nd loss count 2. If you have a win here, it's back to zero because you have to get 3 losses in a row.
I have a couple of ideas for how to improve this system, but then I'm more into slots than roulette so he asked me not to embarrass myself in front of his friends.
That's gratitude for you.
Nate
Hi!
Thanks for a nice system!
Recently i have combined this system with Lucas One: A Three-Step Even Chance System from the sister forum.
I have played them together the only thing is when the r/b bet is different i choise the bet that won last,and if the bet on r/b is the same i put 2 units on that colour.
The last 102 bets ended up like this
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l00w0l0wl0
lww0lwlw00
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37 wins
32 losses
31 Draws
+10 units
Just flatbetting.
Agesta
You have to remember that George gets a lot of these ideas after sniffing paint---Great luck on in!!!
GLC is almost serious! Almost!
I'm more into slots
How do you get in, mate? Through that tiny little slit?
TCH
Unfortunately, you're right.
Hi there GLC,
Is it still winning?
Adrian
GLC,
how do you handle runs?
once you get the triple you bet for a switch, if it loses... stop till the run ends?
thanks
GLC
Unable to PM you, please contact me cicara@citynet.net
Thanks
Quote from: andrebac on Jul 16, 11:44 AM 2013
GLC,
how do you handle runs?
once you get the triple you bet for a switch, if it loses... stop till the run ends?
thanks
Probably with a couple of toilet tissue rolls!!! :wink:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jul 16, 07:10 PM 2013
Probably with a couple of toilet tissue rolls!!! :wink:
I find hit and run works well for this. You just have to be ready to keep coming back fast and often. ^-^
What and run?? Hit? Oh, I misunderstood.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 16, 10:38 PM 2013
What and run?? Hit? Oh, I misunderstood.
Sorry for the confusion TCS, I will rephrase it.
I find _hit and run works well for this. You just have to be ready to keep coming back fast and often. ^-^
Now Please everyone stop bothering GLC with questions on this! He is stuck in traffic in his Hummer limo on the way to visit his airball roulette machine. He has even had the courtesy to name the machine "Lucky Lady".
To the question on runs Im guessing if you get RRRR your next bet would be R again looking for another run ,, but this is speculation on my part.........
Me Im still figuring out the progression but so far the bs looks good on a few numbers using ambi
Best of luck GLC!!!!!!
Now Im working with the progression and there is some brilliance here!!! Shine on George
Quote from: Skakus on Jul 16, 09:16 PM 2013
I find hit and run works well for this. You just have to be ready to keep coming back fast and often. ^-^
Yep Same works for me
Good Job GLC
Just a quick update.
I'm playing the negative progression which is an increase in bet size if I lose a recovery bet after losing 3 times in a row. I stay at that level until I either reach +10 or lose another recovery bet.
I've played to +10 eighteen times with no losses.
Never below -50 draw down and never had to bet above the 3 unit level.
I know this is anything but conclusive, but it's still about as good a beginning as I've seen for most systems.
Could be the luck of the Irish. But a little luck goes a long way!
George,
how do you handle runs?
once you get the triple you bet for a switch, if it loses... stop till the run ends?
thanks
I would get guess that u switch and play on--maybe the maestro or nathienel will answer...The way I have tested this seems like something very good on baccarat....instead of playing into the streak after three you play into another 3 or the chop---its really resiliant as a BS
Quote from: andrebac on Jul 21, 10:46 AM 2013
George,
how do you handle runs?
once you get the triple you bet for a switch, if it loses... stop till the run ends?
thanks
Here's how I play it. If the last spin was Red, I play for Red again. If I get another Red, I play for Red again. That's 3 Reds in a row so now I play for Black. If I get a Black I play for another Black. If I get 3 Blacks in a row I switch and play for Red etc...
If I have a Red and play for a 2nd Red and get it, I play for the 3rd Red. If I get a Black instead then I play for the 2nd Black. I'm going to play for 3 Blacks. As soon as I have a loss, I switch to playing for 3 of the other. If I get RBR I now stop playing for 3 of the same color in a row and I play for the chops to continue. As soon as I get a loss I will have either RBRR or BRBB at which time I revert back to playing for 3 of the same color in a row.
If I get RBBR I stop playing for 3 in a row and start playing for the doublets to continue. Once I get RBBRRBR that means I just lost while playing for the doublets and now I have RBR so I play for the single chops to continue. If it does I stay with it until a loss at which time I will be back to playing for 3 of the same color in a row.
Zeros are a loss but don't affect my patterns. It's as if they don't exist.
I have a +10 win target. I start with 1 unit until I lose 3 bets in a row. After losing 3 in a row, I bet 3 times my basic unit. In this case I bet 3 units. This is a recovery bet. If I win this bet, I stay a 1 unit bets until I have another 3 losses in a row or I hit +10. If I get 3 losses in a row and lose my recovery bet, I increase to the 2 unit level. I stay at the 2 unit level until I reach +10 or lose 3 in a row and the recovery bet. If I lose a recovery bet, I always move to the next level. I never drop back a level. I stay at the current level until I reach +10 or lose a recovery bet.
There are many options to choose from.
The switching to me after 3 is brilliant or spot-on to my experience--its a sep from malcop who I appreciate a ton! but it makes sense!!!!
Hello George,
Thank you very much for your system. Wish you success in your real time playing.
There is a small part which I am still confuse after reading numerous time.
You play red after seeing the first red. Second red appears and you win, now you continue betting for the third red.
Red appears again and you win and have 3 red in a row. Now you bet black for a jump after three in a row.
Red appears the fourth time and you loss.
Do you stop betting after the fourth red and wait for a jump to black before you resume betting?
Or you just continue chasing the 2nd set of three red?
Thank you and Best wishes to you and family.
George,
as said by Sniper, this was the sense of my question...
Quote from: sniper on Jul 23, 08:06 AM 2013
Hello George,
Thank you very much for your system. Wish you success in your real time playing.
There is a small part which I am still confuse after reading numerous time.
You play red after seeing the first red. Second red appears and you win, now you continue betting for the third red.
Red appears again and you win and have 3 red in a row. Now you bet black for a jump after three in a row.
Red appears the fourth time and you loss.
Do you stop betting after the fourth red and wait for a jump to black before you resume betting?
Or you just continue chasing the 2nd set of three red?
Thank you and Best wishes to you and family.
My apologies.
If I get 4 of a color in a row I treat the 4th one as the 1st one of 3 in a row. So RRRR I am now betting for 2 more Reds. Same for 7 Reds in a row, we're going for 2 more.
This is not cast in stone. You can, of course, stop betting and wait for the Red's run to end. Maybe that is a safer way to play. It's not the way I've been playing it.
I like this bet selection method. I know it's not foolproof. And probably no better than any of the others.
So far, combining it with the bet method, it's impressing me. I've tested a lot of systems and this ones is as good as any so far.
There's nothing sacred about losing 3 in a row and make a recovery bet on the 4th. You could go to 4 in a row and using the 5th as a recovery bet. You could use 2 in a row and the 3rd the recovery bet.
You could get clever and once you lose 2 in a row, stop betting. If you lose the 3rd one in a row, then bet 3 on the recovery bet. A win will be a little better by 1 unit. The thing to consider is does waiting for the 3rd loss change anything? Is it better than betting the recovery bet on the 3rd? You're passing up all the situations where you would have won had you bet the 3rd time.
I know that logically and mathematically there's no real reason why this system is any better than others. I'm like Atlantis. Hesitant to give my blessing to it as a sure fire winner. I've seen too many start like gang busters only to fizzle in the end.
All I can say is I'm having excellent results with it so far.
Some of you may play it and lose right from the beginning. Most I think will play it and have a reasonably good start. Maybe stay ahead long enough to add this to your quiver of systems you play on a regular basis. At any time it could turn sour and you have to be able to dump it before giving all you've won with it back.
GLC
Hello George,
Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
I checked through my baccarat score cards and the variance remained low.
Your system looks promising and I will test it out at B&M casino over the weekend.
Regards & Best Wishes
I honestly tested a bit... this is is good as a bet selection!!!!! the progression is also good but I look at it diff
the whole idea is making me"giddy" , I'm at a casino and just got back to room---on15$ bacc I'm happy!!!!
Players Players--this one is good!
A test with RRRBBB marti progression on almost 12000 live spins. Was promising :twisted:
Same nbrs RRBB test
We're definitely going to need some money management to try to avoid the drop into the Grand Canyon.
I'd say a reasonable stoploss should help.
Another idea is to stop playing after X number of losses until a win or a double win and then restart.
It doesn't guarantee against deep draw downs, but it should make it somewhat harder to find them.
@ Spin4fun: Can you run the numbers again using a stop play after say 4 losses in a row and resume after 1 win or even 2 wins?
GLC
It will work if you have luck! Betselections and methods we shall/can use but if we win or lose is up to luck. It is a risk management in a method, we can go safer to less gain. EC is if done proper small win and small loss. The inside is good win or slow loss, there loss is more likley. If we hit number 12, better straight up than red :o
Please follow this link for a new twist on this idea.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13314.new#new
GLC
m still up on this idea! with twist or not....i would love to see more on the bad part of the test? 0 or 00 and what patterns killed it in the one portion?
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Jul 27, 05:40 AM 2013
A test with RRRBBB marti progression on almost 12000 live spins. Was promising :twisted:
Fellow punters, this graph is a perfect example of a mechanical bet selection/bet progression system. It's also an example of why a large bank is necessary when using a negative progression. Overall the graph climbs upward but there are many small dips of 50 to 250 units. A few of up to 1,000 units and a dip of close to 2,000 units. The 12,000 spins represents about 240 hours of play at 50 bets per hour.
This shows that no matter what your bankroll is, if you play long enough you need luck to miss the RFH. I still haven't lost my 350 unit bankroll allotted for testing this system. I have had a 250 unit draw down but recovered nicely.
For any members/guests who are new to roulette, please take note of the above graphs. They could be from any of 50 or more systems posted on this forum. They show clearly why we're always preaching self control and money control.
That drop of 1800 units could have come much closer to the beginning of your voyage playing this system and unless you had a bankroll of 2,000 units, adios amigos.
Never play with money you can't afford to lose.
Even though I'm barely hopeful that we will ever find a system that avoids large draw downs, my main purpose in developing a system is to give me a game to play when I go to the casino that I have a reasonable chance to walk out a winner. I know that there will be losing days and I expect it.
If you can't take the heat, don't go near the fire!
Here's a little tweak in the bet progression.
Any time we reach + over our previous high, we reset.
Any time we are 5 units (bets, because at say level 2 where we are betting 2 units per bet, we would actually be at -10 units but only 5 bets down) down at a level, we move to the next higher bet level. There is a caveat to this rule. We never move to the next level until a steak of losses ends. Example: If we're at -3 and we get 2 losses in a row, even though we are at -5 units on this level, we don't move to the next level until we have a win. If, after the win and the ending of that set, we are still at -5 or more, we then move to the next higher bet level.
Here are our sets:
Set # If lose Bet size If Win
1 1 +1 Reset
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2 -1 1
1 0 Reset
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3 -1 1
-2 1
+1 -1
+2 +1 Reset Had we lost here we would be -3 and reset
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4 -1 1
-2 1
-3 1
+1 -2
+2 0 Reset
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5 -1 1
-2 1
-3 1
-4 1
+1 -3
+2 -1
+2 +1 Reset
You can go to 6 or more sets. It's up to you.
Any time you have a streak of losses followed by a win and then a loss, it's time to evaluate to see if you are -5 or more in the hole and should move to the next bet level.
Either play D'Alembert style or stay at the current level until you either fully recover all previous losses or you reach minus 5 bets for this level and have to move to the next level.
We're just trying to keep our bet sizes as small as possible but still give us a chance to pull ahead by a few units. I always play to +10.
GLC
I love this bet selection on baccarat!!!!!!! ambi--or your betting GLC
I finally lost a 350 unit session testing on Betvoyager, demo mode.
I have resurrected "The Very Near Infallible Roulette System". I know some of you don't care to that system, but I have never lost a session for 350 units. It is very difficult to understand and even more to implement.
I'm going to start a new topic and try to keep it pure. Attached is the original explanation.
GLC
I'm looking at " very near " , but I'm not afraid of this one, I played Thursday using a gr 8 type of progression, I used 10 as the number 1111111111, 1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5, 2222222222,,, etc....I am close to winning a small bankroll on this one..and I'm not letting it go!!!!!!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 04, 01:47 AM 2013
I'm looking at " very near " , but I'm not afraid of this one, I played Thursday using a gr 8 type of progression, I used 10 as the number 1111111111, 1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5, 2222222222,,, etc....I am close to winning a small bankroll on this one..and I'm not letting it go!!!!!!
Good on ya Tom. Thanks for sharing a good stable bet progression.
I don't know if Very Near will be any better than this one. I know that unless you take the author's suggestion at the end to play for small chunks it can require some decent size bets to clear the recovery banks.
Only playing for +1 helps also.
Business is going pretty well right now so I'm going to have to put a hold on applying for that chauffeur's position. ::)
At a casino in CT now! George this is a superior bet selection!!! (thanks malcop also) , after roulette, I have to play this at baccarat and its so stable! ( 25 chips).....its almost relaxing in a casino to play--kudos to Mr GLC!!!!!!!!!!!
(adulay-take note) .......im already over a normal bankroll on this one--so a loss will not hurt
thanks George
(this is GLC's antidote to stressful gambling)
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 06, 03:12 AM 2013
At a casino in CT now! George this is a superior bet selection!!! (thanks malcop also) , after roulette, I have to play this at baccarat and its so stable! ( 25 chips).....its almost relaxing in a casino to play--kudos to Mr GLC!!!!!!!!!!!
(adulay-take note) .......I'm already over a normal bankroll on this one--so a loss will not hurt
thanks George
(this is GLC's antidote to stressful gambling)
Hi Tomla021,
What you thanking me for? Also could you explain fully the way you play this bet selection for me, then I can see about coding it in sheet, I ask because there seems to be variations of it, so just give me the exact rules you are using. Then I can work of yours.
Thanks
malcop
thanks Tom,
could you share EXACTLY the way you ply it in bac? i am a bac player too!
andrea
ok peeps--and the ones that wrote me notes i like a lot!!!!! the way I see this and play it is basically malcops stuff with GLC twist? If im wrong ,I'm wrong! I think its a great bet placement---you play as malcop (i forgot one thing this morn) but when a thing works it works....Someone tested it I apologize if I don't know who. and it flew then crashed---who cares? Then Glc tried to change it but I said why? Its good as it is!....its Malcop plus switching at 3's----and a big thanks to George!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 06, 06:58 AM 2013
ok peeps--and the ones that wrote me notes i like a lot!!!!! the way I see this and play it is basically malcops stuff with GLC twist? If I'm wrong ,I'm wrong! I think its a great bet placement---you play as malcop (i forgot one thing this morn) but when a thing works it works....Someone tested it I apologize if I don't know who. and it flew then crashed---who cares? Then Glc tried to change it but I said why? Its good as it is!....its Malcop plus switching at 3's----and a big thanks to George!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get it, so ABBB bet for A, and in my original I did not play for the AABBAA 2-2 do you play for them?
Where do you paly this? IN real casino, online live or RNG?
Sheki - See his post #45 where he says he's playing roulette & baccarat & chips at a casino in CT = Connecticut, a State above New York on a map.
I'm down here in Australia but easily worked that one out.
:o
I think this could a good one. There is no holy grail. What we want to have is a better winning rate. If my bank rolls is 100 units , I hope it wins me more than 100 units before I bust my bankroll. I think that is the most important of all lol. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: