Hey all,
Some have asked me, since I have a roulette systems website, what strategy do I use at the casino. So I am going to tell you the strategy that I use and rarely ever lose.
The key to every system is either walking away a winner or stopping at your set limit.
So here goes:
Limit:
$105 out of my wallet (I if I lose all the chips on the table, which might be more $105, then I walk away)
Stop:
I set a stop limit say 120 when I have 150, then I increase the stop limit as I win more.
For as calculating as some systems are, my strategy is rather impulsive, but calculated at the same time.
Start off by breaking the 105 chips into 3 stacks of 35 chips.
The rules are as follows:
1. Play through stack 1, placing chips on any straight up number. Use only 1 chip per number and place on any amount of numbers you want (less than 35)
2. When you run out of the first stack, move to the second stack. Play the same way, except that you will place 2 chips on the numbers instead of 1. Second stack = 2 chips per number.
3. When the second stack runs out, move to the third stack. Place 3 chips per number, on any amount of numbers you want. Stack 3 = 3 chips per number.
You can continue this for quite a few stack if you want to play more.
At any time you win. Simply reset the stacks (35 units a stack) and repeat the process, starting out at stack 1 = 1 chip per number.
This is a very fun, and easy to calculate method. I usually bet 3-4 numbers, but sometimes I get a hunch and bet other numbers.
Your win will be anywhere from breaking even if you win on the last chip in the stack, to gaining a profit of 35 for winning on the first 1 chip in any stack.
I love this system, because it is so easy to calculate. I usually play 3-4 numbers over and over, but sometimes I have a hunch and play extra numbers. The beauty is that you can change the amount of numbers that you play on any spin and still win.
Thanks for reading and let me know if you try this out or have any questions,
FreeRoulette
This isn't a "Play System"..........this is a Money Management System.
This post needs moving to Money Management. ;)
(I actually thought you were going to show a bet selection technique then!! lol)
It's a money management system for this play system.
You can play this on a selection technique if you want.
Between hot and cold numbers, I would use hot numbers.
Or what ever.
you can't win just by money management. And playing just hot numbers won't help either. Sooner or later u will get streaks of cold numbers waking up which will part you with your winnings. Roulette is about balance. If you encounter lots of hot numbers coming up in the beginning -- there will be big time for sleepers to wake up as well.
Overall you won't win on a long run, and no money management will help you.
Ig - What about zero money virtual betting (Vbet) to limit losses as part of the MM plan as you wait for the TIDE TO TURN ?
Just like HOT numbers SLEEPERS don't last forever. As long as you can stay in the game SMART MM can let you win over the long run.
I use it in my betting & I win more often than lose. Example on 9 level Marty (or any other chosen progression); On any 3 straight losses = L1 L2 L3 ( any level can be chosen to use the Vbet, even @ L2 after a L1 loss) make the 1st Vbet @ L4 & keep betting until the Vbet wins, then make the L4 money bet. If win return to min.(or your systems next after win bet) or on a loss use L5 Vbet.
What the Vbet stops is a large run of back to back losses. What it doesn't stop is a run of WLWLWLWL where the Vbet wins but the money bet loses.
If after a L5 loss (just past 1/2 my e.g. progression) you can either keep going if in profit = only betting with casinos money or stop betting if in negative balance & Vbet for 25 - 50 bets, or more, until your V wins are more consistant = indicator your TIDE has turned.
An old saying comes to mind here, "THERE'S MORE THAN 1 WAY TO SKIN A CAT".
The reason I recommend hot over cold numbers is that the wheel can be defective so cold numbers don't come up . You can play any numbers with this system though.
Ausguy, i don't believe in it. Smart MM is good, it will prevent you from losing your shirt in casinos, but i don't believe it will really let you win a lot on a long run. Anyway, if u compare winning on hot numbers with smart MM and
predicting the outcome somehow from time to time -- there is no comparison. If You can't predict the outcome and just chose hot numbers all the time with smart MM -- you may be lucky and win some and stay in positive territory.
You may be unlucky and lose some (but not too much since you are in control with your smart MM and discipline),
but winning consistently on a long run? No way.
in real life on a long run you will encounter lots of cases of sleeping numbers waking up so much and so often that
you will lose all your winnings with all smart MM you can find. So far you've been lucky and stayed on positive area, but it can't last forever. Roulette won't let you.
Well, that's just my personal opinion. You may agree to disagree on this.
But remember, what you are trying to do, many people over the centuries tried to. Some were lucky to stay positive, some were not. But overall casinos always won. I wish you good luck, hopefully you will keep staying positive.
the wheel must be VERY DEFECTIVE to throw hot numbers most of the time on a long run. It will be taken care of
by casino personnel. We don't live in 19th century now.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Jul 13, 01:52 AM 2013
The reason I recommend hot over cold numbers is that the wheel can be defective so cold numbers don't come up . You can play any numbers with this system though.
Are we being "SOFTENED UP " ?
Part quote 1st post 1st line by "Freeroulette"........... "I have a roulette systems website"..........." I am going to tell you the strategy that I use and rarely ever lose".
Casinos just love the listed FreeRoulette play on here, in fact it may have even been written by a casino ? Nah! It must only be my imagination ?
IG - you absolutely correct about non defective wheels. The Cammergh wheel maker site details their models installed in casinos around the World.
Off the marquees recent spins notice board all their wheels are linked to a central computer in the casino. It monitors all the spins and auto detects any bias and monitors dealer randomness.
They also have an accurate level detector that monitors tilt, also computer linked. Any non spec. wheels have the casino techies on the job ASAP.
With computer aided wheel designs & CNC manufacturing, wheels are perfect. Add in the fine tuning of dealer training & spins are more random now with the new models than last years older style.
Many players have said that long runs of even chances are less often & when there is a run they are mostly shorter. Many say they are winning less often.
Perhaps that's why casino bosses have even wider smiles on their dials ?
Whatever the case, the bulk crazy poor odds inside layout bets continue 24/7 as the casino profits pour in.
Step inside any casino and ask "do you read gambling forums" the answer is invariably the same, a laugh or a NO.
If you are looking for something useful, you have to build, design things for yourself, you ain't never read details how to do it.
Quote by John or Johno at the old GG forum.
I am inclined to agree with him.
Tamino
IG - I get better results on ECs. I don't bet on the inside chances. Sleeping/hot numbers aren't very relevant to my EC betting.
Here's a sample of some EC bets on Rapid Roulette (live dealer wheel & seated touch screen terminals) bet limits $10 min. & $1,000 max. from March this year. I don't win every session but certainly over the last 4 months (I'm retired now) I'm a few $k ahead. I've had a few health problems this year (blood pressure & fluid [swelling] which has limited my casino visits. Things are getting better of late so I hope to be back in the saddle in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile I fatten my BR.
A sea change calls to get me out of this crowded city (SYDNEY), consistant wins holds the key.
I've chosen odd & even betting using the numbers only just to demo the value of Vbets as on that visit I played Marty alternating the 3 ECs = H/L, O/E & R/B same as last spin. On that visit I won $1,610 in 6 1/2 hours, more then enough to get a new designer shirt from the casino arcade shops, if needed & some gold chains.
All the bets are the same as the last spin starting at line 72 (random pick) as trigger = T. T. is also required after any zero drop. The betting has 7 levels of progression off the $10 min. I chose the Vbet to kick in after the 3rd straight loss. Any next level bet requires a Vbet win to trigger your next higher bet. An option is some Zero insurance bets (IB) at Levels 4 - 7. Bets average close to 1 spin per min.
72. 17B T., 73. 9R O 10W +10, 74. 12R O 10L +00, 75. 36R E20W +20, 76. 2B E10W +30, 77. 5R E10L +20, 78. Z O20L +00, 79. 26B T. +00, 80. 30R E40W +40
81. 7R E10L +30, 82. 29B O20W +50, 83. 27R 010W +60, 84. 7R O10W +70, 85. 27R O10W +80, 86. 13B O10W +90, 87. 24B O10L +80, 88. 10B E20W +100,
89. 26B E10W +110, 90. 15B E10L +100, 91. 35B O20W +120, 92. 18R O10L + 110, 93. 22B E20W +130, 94. 25R E10L +120, 95. 28B O20L 100, 96. 27R E40L +60
& 3RD LEVEL LOSS. 97. 32R O VbetL +60, 98. 25R E VL +60, 99. Z O VL +60, 100. 30R T +60., 101 20B EVbetW +60, 102 8B E80W +140 or IB = E85 & Z5 =85 - 5 = 80W & same same +140.
The Vbet value here means only betting at L4 & $80 instead of L6 & $320. I'll do a few more spins but I think you get the idea.
103. 30R E10W +150, 104. 20B E10W +160, 105. 20B E10W +170, 106. 15B E10L +160, 107. 3R O20L + 140, 108. Z O40L +100, 109. 13B T. +100.
110. 1R O VbetW +100, 111. 5R O80W +180. End of sample play. 39 spins & 39 minutes to win $180. This calcs to about $275 bets per hr. x 5 hours & $1,375 & a nice days earnings, maybe x2 if 10 hours could be handled ?
As demonstrated Vbets are a workable & often winning MM tool. Remember IG people used to believe that the earth was flat & if you went too far you'd go over the edge and end up in burning Hell.
Ausguy, i am very glad about your success and hope and wish u gonna feel better and have no health problem.
And you may be right. But i don't believe in outside bets.
Thanks IG - I may even get to Europe thanks via my local casinos cashiers window. I could even arrive in your town & take you to a nice casino & BR you for some EC profits? Not many people say no to easy money. Only in Summer not Winter.
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 13, 07:56 AM 2013
the wheel must be VERY DEFECTIVE to throw hot numbers most of the time on a long run. It will be taken care of
by casino personnel. We don't live in 19th century now.
I agree, if some numbers are coming up most of the time it will be noticed, but the point was the avoid numbers that rarely come up. If the wheel does have an odd problem, a sleeper number could really ruin you, so its better to pick the number that you know comes wins some times.
I also do not believe that some of these dumpy casino are spot on with super advanced wheel balancing. The way some of the balls move on the wheel seem un-natural like they are being controlled by a magnet. I've seen them do a nice smooth counter-clockwise circle before landing in a number.
The casinos where I go resort to cheating in my opinion. They can't be happy with their house odds, they have to put fake numbers on the board so suckers come up and throw $100 on red or what ever. I've seen it many times and called them out on it and they always claim it was a mistake.
Hi Ausguy
Thanks for sharing your results;I also luv playing EC's as from my experience it
is the easiest way to win at roulette.
I had a look at your post above, however I don't understand clearly the trigger or the
procedures, you use for placing bets...; Would it be possible to clarify the procédures,
triggers you use for betting in the above examples for Ec's.
For example:
At point 72, when 17 B came what did u bet, any triggers....?
At point 73 when 9 R came what did u bet, any triggers.....?
At point 74 when 12 Red came, same thing.....?
At point 75 when 36 R came thing.....?
etc....
Thanks
Cheers
Chris
Quote from: ausguy on Jul 13, 02:54 PM 2013
IG - I get better results on ECs. I don't bet on the inside chances. Sleeping/hot numbers aren't very relevant to my EC betting.
Here's a sample of some EC bets on Rapid Roulette (live dealer wheel & seated touch screen terminals) bet limits $10 min. & $1,000 max. from March this year. I don't win every session but certainly over the last 4 months (I'm retired now) I'm a few $k ahead. I've had a few health problems this year (blood pressure & fluid [swelling] which has limited my casino visits. Things are getting better of late so I hope to be back in the saddle in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile I fatten my BR.
A sea change calls to get me out of this crowded city (SYDNEY), consistant wins holds the key.
I've chosen odd & even betting using the numbers only just to demo the value of Vbets as on that visit I played Marty alternating the 3 ECs = H/L, O/E & R/B same as last spin. On that visit I won $1,610 in 6 1/2 hours, more then enough to get a new designer shirt from the casino arcade shops, if needed & some gold chains.
All the bets are the same as the last spin starting at line 72 (random pick) as trigger = T. T. is also required after any zero drop. The betting has 7 levels of progression off the $10 min. I chose the Vbet to kick in after the 3rd straight loss. Any next level bet requires a Vbet win to trigger your next higher bet. An option is some Zero insurance bets (IB) at Levels 4 - 7. Bets average close to 1 spin per min.
72. 17B T., 73. 9R O 10W +10, 74. 12R O 10L +00, 75. 36R E20W +20, 76. 2B E10W +30, 77. 5R E10L +20, 78. Z O20L +00, 79. 26B T. +00, 80. 30R E40W +40
81. 7R E10L +30, 82. 29B O20W +50, 83. 27R 010W +60, 84. 7R O10W +70, 85. 27R O10W +80, 86. 13B O10W +90, 87. 24B O10L +80, 88. 10B E20W +100,
89. 26B E10W +110, 90. 15B E10L +100, 91. 35B O20W +120, 92. 18R O10L + 110, 93. 22B E20W +130, 94. 25R E10L +120, 95. 28B O20L 100, 96. 27R E40L +60
& 3RD LEVEL LOSS. 97. 32R O VbetL +60, 98. 25R E VL +60, 99. Z O VL +60, 100. 30R T +60., 101 20B EVbetW +60, 102 8B E80W +140 or IB = E85 & Z5 =85 - 5 = 80W & same same +140.
The Vbet value here means only betting at L4 & $80 instead of L6 & $320. I'll do a few more spins but I think you get the idea.
103. 30R E10W +150, 104. 20B E10W +160, 105. 20B E10W +170, 106. 15B E10L +160, 107. 3R O20L + 140, 108. Z O40L +100, 109. 13B T. +100.
110. 1R O VbetW +100, 111. 5R O80W +180. End of sample play. 39 spins & 39 minutes to win $180. This calcs to about $275 bets per hr. x 5 hours & $1,375 & a nice days earnings, maybe x2 if 10 hours could be handled ?
As demonstrated Vbets are a workable & often winning MM tool. Remember IG people used to believe that the earth was flat & if you went too far you'd go over the edge and end up in burning Hell.
shouldn't the red be a win? 15 and 3 - both odd
very nice i must say
what do you do when you bust all 7 steps? (if that happened to you)
and do you after 6L's wait again for virtual win and then bet 7th step?
Soggett - yes you're correct on bet 107. I'm not suprised I made a mistake as it was late here in OZ & I was getting tired. Putting the bets across the page to save space made it more error prone for me. Error aside I was really demonstating the concept which I think you already realise.
For my live dealer rapid roulette B & M casino plays I use prewritten master bet sheets. I photo copy off these and use the copies in casino play. Mistakes rarely occur in live casino play as the bets run in order down the page. As it is all neatly set out it's easy to manage the required write ups on each bet line & the spin cycle is close to 1 per minute.
To answer your question about bet levels, it usually depends on my profit & loss. If I'm well down & at risk of busting I will not bet L6 & so not L7 as L6 & 7 = about 75% of the progression total. I will then return to L1 & also using Marty is not necessary either. Fibo could be used instead or any progression of your choice & so more levels available obviously. If a downturn hits well into the play and so I'm able to mostly use the casinos money I'll go for it. Often if things are negative I will take a break for 1/2 an hour or so and return & Vbet the last 20 spins displayed on the Rapid Roulette screen. If positive on Vwins then I will restart betting, usually level 1. I always have a BR of $2k + so always $600+ in reserve
The L3 loss Vbet trigger is my choice. You could make it active at L2 after the 1st loss or move it up the scale to L5 if you wished. I find that L3 is a good balance as a lot of wins come in the 1st 3 bet levels. Also having the Vbets often works well with Marty as plenty of back to back wins spin up. 1 bet is a Vbet & trigger win & the next bet is the money bet winner. The Vbet comes into it's own on a string of losses that would bust most progressions. I've had 15 & even 20 back to back V losses. Then the trend turns & I've had heaps of wins at L4 or L5. I've even had wins at L6 & L7.
Once I lost on L7 which made a big hole my winning balance after a few hours of betting. Only a couple couple of hundred up actually plus my own starting BR. I then Vbet until a trigger win & then bet $640 + Zero insurance (more on this a little later) that won. This got me back to the 1st L7 balance. Next bet was a L7 again & that won & so netted $10 (the risks we take for a buck ?) recovered all the L1 to L6 losses and allowed a reset to L1. Another 5 bets won, so in total it was 7 straight wins including the L7 Vbet. So far I've never busted over L7, the betting just mentioned is the closest I've come. I rarely see L6 let alone L7.
The BR Killer comes with the chops = a string of WLWLWLWL where the Vbet keeps winning $ the money bets lose. I have a counter measure option at L5 (L4 can also be used or even lower) of making it 2 Vbet wins back to back to counter the chop. It mostly comes down to risk vs reward. Only testing & fine tuning the whole method to suit your bet MO may see you happy ?
For zero insurance I include it in the L4 to L7 bets. I don't use it on L1, L2 or L3 as 10, 20 & 40 & an acceptable risk to lose. The zero bet amount is also added to the progressions at each level. eg L4 base is $80 & the zero bet is $5 so The new L4 base + is $85 & $5 on zero = $90 outlay. OK, the maths then works like this.
Lose & your $90 poorer. Base bet + wins & the net return is $85 - Z $5 = $80 = x2 L3 bets. If zero drops the net win is $175 -85 + $90 net & $10 bucks extra above base. ( extra2 beers) It then continues up the levels with the appropriate base level increases. A few times it's saved me which is the name of the game.
So to summarise the basic MARTY bet levels L1. $10 L2. $20 L3. $40 L4. $80 L5. $160 L6. $320 L7. $640.
{........Vbets+ + zero bets..............}
Good stuff here. Play it too from time to time. If i see a wlwlwlwl...pattern that's my trigger(as soon that is passed its go time).... im a patience men...when these things come jump on it. Same with a dozen repeat 8times. Then use a 4step marty and bet the opposites. Things like this work just fine. And if they lose all....then you lost your br for that day. Again. ...patience do the trick for me. Even if your on a winning streak...be happy with some units and then stop till a losing streak comes.... but this things up here do work. Just don't rush it
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 13, 07:53 AM 2013
Ausguy, i don't believe in it. Smart MM is good, it will prevent you from losing your shirt in casinos, but i don't believe it will really let you win a lot on a long run. Anyway, if u compare winning on hot numbers with smart MM and
predicting the outcome somehow from time to time -- there is no comparison. If You can't predict the outcome and just chose hot numbers all the time with smart MM -- you may be lucky and win some and stay in positive territory.
You may be unlucky and lose some (but not too much since you are in control with your smart MM and discipline),
but winning consistently on a long run? No way.
in real life on a long run you will encounter lots of cases of sleeping numbers waking up so much and so often that
you will lose all your winnings with all smart MM you can find. So far you've been lucky and stayed on positive area, but it can't last forever. Roulette won't let you.
Well, that's just my personal opinion. You may agree to disagree on this.
But remember, what you are trying to do, many people over the centuries tried to. Some were lucky to stay positive, some were not. But overall casinos always won. I wish you good luck, hopefully you will keep staying positive.
Thanks iggiv.... i agree with you this is the way to play roulette