Here I bring you Speedy González ! Those who have read Quad cycle from Turner would be aware of Quads and how ingenious the idea is. Inspired by that and inspired by Flat_ino's LvF, Greatgrampa's triple shooter and the authors system in the book that GLC gave me, comes Speedy Gonzalez. It started as an attempt to speed up quad cycle and then evolved into a full blown system, that I am using regularly now.
Hey! As with any other system, it loses. But the important part is, it also wins. I play it with +50/-50 targets. But I advice you to plan your own targets based on what suits you. Here goes the method!
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt_eM1kUYTY
Enjoy him dancing the streets of roulette while I work on the background for trackers, spin results, analysis presentations and if time permits a bot for BV. Ariba! Ariba!
very well done--thank you
Thank`s a lot for the video, great job!!
Agesta
I try to look the video, but it didn't work.
Video is very nice but system...
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Nice art! Would you like to explain more on why you felt that way, may be that will help us more!
could u explain the system in more detail please
tom
I guess from now on verbal explanations are old fashioned! :'( :-[
The vidio is not available for me. I live in Germany and I think this could be the reason.
Can you/someone explain me the System?
Thank you
Quote from: Smoczoor on Jul 31, 06:21 AM 2013
Video is very nice but system...
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I agree. I dont write here much, but im playing for real few years. So i played many systems here and looking from the outside it is just 6 streets bet. No mater you will bet 123 + 10 11 12 or 1 5 7 and 2 8 12. It is the same shit just in other hand. So maybe you are now lucky, but test 100 or 1000 sessions and you will be very deep down. sorry for my english.
biagle (and beleave me i tryed this)
every system is the same really...we just try to make different pretty patterns to convince ourselves we are doing something different.
I am making tests on systems...here and my own and replace bet selection with random choice using random.org
I did this...for example...with Flatinos 4 line for/against system. i let random select the 4 lines.
It gave same results. I even picked 5 numbers random, with an upward graph over 200 spins.
Why not? bet selection doesnt predict anything. Its random.
If it was doable....then 150 people in 3 years here would of found one.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 01, 04:45 PM 2013
every system is the same really...we just try to make different pretty patterns to convince ourselves we are doing something different.
I am making tests on systems...here and my own and replace bet selection with random choice using random.org
I did this...for example...with Flatinos 4 line for/against system. i let random select the 4 lines.
It gave same results. I even picked 5 numbers random, with an upward graph over 200 spins.
Why not? bet selection doesn't predict anything. Its random.
If it was doable....then 150 people in 3 years here would of found one.
I do have a random EC strategy in my bot... but how i turn it.... it even worse as other strategies... so fighting random with random is not a good solution.... or it would mean... 1 of them is not SO random...
Quote from: biagle on Aug 01, 04:01 PM 2013
looking from the outside it is just 6 streets bet.
Biagle, Let me try explaining why it is different than a 6 streets bet.
Theoritically 18 straights = 9 splits = 6 streets = 4 quads = 3 lines = 1EC. Well theoretically.
In reality, they are different and behave differently. Let me explain why. This is a very important lesson I learnt from Sam and I want all of us to understand the significance of it. Or tell me that I am wrong so that I can correct myself.
Let’s assume 1u = 18$.You can place 18$ on red EC or 1$ on all 18 red numbers. It is essentially the same. The difference starts to come in when you place those 1$ on a combination of red and black numbers.
Let me take two sets of three spins 1,4,9 and 1, 36, 13. Let us talk in street language first. Both the sets consist of 3 unique streets. There were 9 streets which slept through this 3 spin cycle. Now lets talk quad language. First set has 1 quad and 2nd set has 3 quads. First set had 3 quads that were sleeping and the second set had only 1 quad that was sleeping. Let’s talk EC language now. If you consider H/L ECs, first set has only one EC whereas the second set has both the ECs.
That collection of outcomes to be rolled up into a single event is the fundamental difference between both the approaches. That makes your betselection different and the odds different. In one case you are dealing with a collection of 1/12 odds and in other case you are dealing with a collection of ¼ odds. Hope am able to convey my message here. One might argue that the collective odds are 50%, but the number of permutations of possible bet selections are entirely different when you chose 6 streets and 2 quads. If you chose 6 streets you have an enormous number of bet selections to chose from as you need to choose 6 from 12. But if you chose 2 quads there are only 12 bet selections to chose from. That gives you the fundamental difference between the betting positions.
Quote from: biagle on Aug 01, 04:01 PM 2013
but test 100 or 1000 sessions
I test every post I comment on. I do sample and hypothesis testing. I do test them against the 1Mn spins that Bayes has posted. Following is the bankroll graph of speedy Gonzalez on those 1Mn spin set from Bayes. The max unit size on the table was little over 300 units. Leaving it open for feedback to discuss what's happening there. Needless to say this was continuous betting with no defined session rules.
I am biased to this bet selection anyhow....lol
Just in case you are not able to read the graph, we ended up closer to 200000u in 1Mn spins. That's an ROI of ~20%.
Quote from: Priyanka on Aug 02, 05:17 AM 2013
Just in case you are not able to read the graph, we ended up closer to 200000u in 1Mn spins. That's an ROI of ~20%.
Yes but you would have needed a bankroll of +600000 units
Quote from: Priyanka on Aug 01, 09:09 PM 2013
Let us talk in street language first. Both the sets consist of 3 unique streets. There were 9 streets which slept through this 3 spin cycle. Now lets talk quad language. First set has 1 quad and 2nd set has 3 quads. First set had 3 quads that were sleeping and the second set had only 1 quad that was sleeping. Let’s talk EC language now. If you consider H/L ECs, first set has only one EC whereas the second set has both the ECs.
now lets talk wheel language. What your quoads, streets, ec has to do with numbers in the wheel?
yep, bring to the casino 600000 units + (in real casino minimum is not 0.1 as in BV, but i think 1-5$) and what if few more spins you going down? You are busted? Reached street max bet? whats next?
i wish you good luck
Did I anywhere say that go attack the casino with 600000 units?
Wheel language is something that I am still trying to practice as am a linear thinker. But if I understand right I know what you mean. The red, EC etc are distractions. There are essentially 37/38 blank pockets. Ball could land in any of these pockets with equal probability. Anything you do on the carpet is meaningless.
My opinion, I couldn't agree with you more. I am in complete awe of this philosophy.
But then my question to you - what do you think about other EC systems, dozen systems and line systems in this forum. If you feel like they are also putting the mixer in the eye, I wil shut my mouth forever. If not, I sincerely wish you provide an explanation as this has kindled a really important question for me and your answer will help me learn more from your experience.
Regarding your question on banks and units, I suggested a bankroll of 150 units and targets of ±50 with an aim to win 2 out of 3 games. But I can only aim for it. The rest is in God's hands and as you said need luck :)
And for the record those 1Mn spins mean nothing to me wearing my statistics hat.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 02, 05:19 AM 2013
Yes but you would have needed a bankroll of +600000 units
Yes. If you play 1Mn spins continuously. If you reset the progressions with a session target of +/-50, you get a completely different graph.
Ok, now my one question to you all. Am I doing something wrong here? Of course, I accept all your comments on things like this is not a good way of playing. But can someone point me to what is the good way of playing. Your feedback will help me only if you are able to point me in the right direction rather than saying that this is wrong.
I don't have the maturity nor the experience to say what is good and what is bad. That's the reason am here and asking your feedback. I have much appreciated your help so far and looking for more.
Well a stop loss or play x spins per session or what ever will limit your damage to your BR, however its only a slow down mechanism... because maybe the next spin would be your recover spin... but you wait before you restart.. and hit again a bad session... and as you see in your graph with the 600000 drag down... if thats the moment you play even with stoploss... you still will loss big time.
I would like to belief otherwise, but in my experience and test i have done... you end always in some way down in the long run...
But it does I stop looking for a winning system >:D
i cant say anything better. im deep down:) i just know it is same 6 streets bet. you can look in this forum here was many systems like this one.
And i dont say nothing bad for you, just wish you good luck:)
My bot playing Speedy Conzalez - Beta
link:://youtu.be/ynvI0SQFc7E
link:://youtu.be/c0_5rOdnl2M
Besides 1 other person on the forum, this is world first show to the public.
700 spins is no proof, but until now had more well going as bad sessions.
Nice videos, and impressive range of control on your bot. :thumbsup:
I added 3 parameters specific for this strategy and found out that the killer is looking for 2 unique quads, playing with 2 last quads is more fail safe...
Test on 3800 live spins, no 2 unque quads, continue switching for and against, don't look at losses
Did 3 tested, standard, the random variant and my tweaked version, same 15000 live spins
what i told about 6 streets bet:) what is your tweak?
What do i do, do not look at unique quads.
Count 2 virtual losses
Only bet the same state after 7 losses not 2
Play the same quads after the 7 losses for 7spins (ok we never reach it) not 2
One Q. Are u doing the cyclic progression I was using or marty?
Marty looks to be the only positive outcome long run.
But can you explain how you used the progression.
Seeing this pass the first 50k spins, i got scared... really scared... but then you know what will happen...
But Im glad it happened because it proofs you need to test a strategy with a dealer before you play it.
Belief it not not the 2 big drag downs are down to 2 dealers... yes only 2 dealer and in all there session... FAIL.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 08, 06:11 PM 2013
Marty looks to be the only positive outcome long run.
But can you explain how you used the progression.
Thought so. The way I used the progression is cyclic and D'alembert.
I use cycles of 5 spins. All betting using the same set of units. No progression within these 5 spins. I sum up outcome of 5 spins. If positive, it is a win. If negative it is a loss. The next set of 5 spins, I increase or decrease 1 unit (D'alembert) depending on whether it is a loss or a win. Loss is +1unit and win is -1unit. The power of this method is the combination of quads and the cyclic progression and not the quads alone. Just the quads alone is similar to 6 streets.
If you look at the video, it might be clearer.