We're going to move 1 step to the right on a loss and reset to the beginning of the bet line on a win.
Bet Line: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 etc... (For less volatility you can use 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5 etc...)
Keep track of all 3 even chances. Any time you get 3 in a row, start betting for an end to the streak.
Sometimes you will be betting all 3 even chances at the same time.
Any time you are even or plus after a bet wins, reset everything back to 1.
Any even chance that was in a run of 3 in a row or more, continue to bet on it until it wins. But, any time you reach a new high, you reset all bets back to 1, even those that haven't won yet. We always play a streak until it ends. If we are in a long streak, a win on the others usually won't cause a new high.
Zeros are a loss, but don't interrupt the patterns.
The reason this works is because your bet size is limited by the number of times an even chance hits in a row less the 3 not bet on in the beginning. (Yes, you can use 2 or 4 or 5 or whatever as a starting number of hits in a row before starting to bet.)
Some examples are in order:
1. You spin #s B4, R12, B6 That's 3 evens in a row and 3 low #s in a row so we bet 1 unit on odd and 1 unit on high.
R9 spins. We win on the odd bet and lose on the high bet. We're even so reset all back to 1 unit.
We bet 1 unit on high for the next spin. Had we lost on both bets, we would be betting 2 units on odd and high.
2. So B4, R12, B6, R9 with 1 unit bet on high. R21 spins and we win on high. Reset back to 1. No bet for next spin.
3. So B4, R12, B6, R9, R21 with no bet. R25 spins. We bet 1 unit on Black and 1 unit on Even. R32 spins.
4. So B4, R12, B6, R9, R21, R25 and R19 spins. We lose on both. Bet 2 units on Black and 2 units on Even and 1 unit on Low.
5. So B4, R12, B6, R9, R21, R25, R19 and B11 hits. We win 2 units on Black and 1 unit on Low and lose 2 units on Even. Next bet is 3 units on Even.
6. So B4, R12, B6, R9, R21, R25, R19, B11 and R12 hits. We win 3 units on even. There are no 3 in a rows, so we have no bet for the next spin.
That's all I have time for tonight.
I'll answer questions, if any, when I get a chance.
GLC
Try it by waiting for 2 in a row and playing +1 on a loss, reset on a win. If reach a new high bank, reset all.
If you want to add some safety, only bet enough to reach a new high. This will help keep losses on streaks down somewhat.
Quote from: GLC on Aug 08, 10:44 PM 2013
Some examples are in order:
3. So B4, R12, B6, R9, R21 with no bet. R25 spins. We bet 1 unit on Black and 1 unit on Even. R32 spins. (I noticed that I forgot to deal with R32 in the rest of the example. Hope that doesn't confuse any of you.)
4. So B4, R12, B6, R9, R21, R25 and R19 spins. We lose on both. Bet 2 units on Black and 2 units on Even and 1 unit on Low.
GLC
I've been having very good luck with this system. Never failed to reach +20 in 20 sessions and never had a draw down of more than 100 units, and only got close to 100 units 1 time.
I have made a slight change in the progression. I still play 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc..., but on a win, I move back 1 step to the left and wait for a betting opportunity on that even chance to continue.
Remember, each even chance has its own progression line. Since we're only betting on one side of each even chance at a time, in other words if we're betting on R/B, we will only betting either Red or Black at the same time, never both. So, we can bet the next bet in the progression line for R/B. If we want to make it even safer, we can have 6 separate progression lines. One for all 6 of the e.c. bets.
Any time one of the bet lines gets too high, say 10 or more, I take some of the units off that line and add them to the other two lines. This helps keep the bets lower and less scary to make.
At any time I get close to a new high, I might reset all my bet lines to a point where a win on all of them will put me at a new high. This means if I find myself in the hole by only say 5 units and my bet lines are at R/B=6, E/O=8, H/L=4. Since I only need 6 units to be positive, I will reduce the unit to 2; 3; 2 or something like that.
These safety brake measures can always result in needing more spins to recover, but the safety factor is worth it unless you have a hefty war chest.
If you want to add even more of a safety measure, you can play 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7 etc... One step to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win.
The reason this works is that we only need to win 7 out of 10 bets to break even. If we lose 10 times in a row, we will be -30 units -1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5=-30. If we win 7 times in a row after that we win 30 units +6+5+5+4+4+3+3=+30. (We start the win line with 6 because that is our next bet after losing the 2nd 5) Because of wins on other e.c.'s we usually recover before having to win 7 out of 10 in each progression line. So, if one of the e.c.'s get's hot, it saves our bacon.
This principle works whether we use 1-2-4-6-8-10-12-14 etc... or 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc... or 1-4-7-10-13-16-19-22-25 etc... The more aggressive lines just causes us to go deeper in the hole before pulling out. Of course we won't always lose 10 in a row and then win 7 in a row, but every time we lose and then win we win units. The loss and win don't have to be back to back, they can be like this LLWLLLWLLWWLWLLWLWW. We lost 11 and won 8 and you'll see that we came out ahead in that sequence using any of the progression lines above.
Here's a small plug for the complexity of using 6 progression lines. If one of the lines bets are getting a little high, it's because that e.c. isn't showing as often as probability says it should. Keeping "gambler's fallacy" under the rug, we can expect that e.c. to catch up. Thus, winning us some units. This is why it's not always a good idea to shuffle units around for safety because you might be shuffling them off the e.c. that's the most due.
Even though I know I'm ignoring "gambler's fallacy" in this system development, all I can say is, "Who doesn't?" Also, in the last few systems I have posted, I am way ahead of the game. I must admit that I'm using the safety brake more often because I don't want to give it all back and am willing to take more time to recover for safety's sake.
Once again, buyer beware.
GLC
Another option:
Play separate bet lines for all 6 even chances.
Wait until you get either 2 in a row or 3 in a row and then start betting for the streak to end.
Bet 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 etc... until you get a win.
If your win comes on the 5 bet or greater you will move to the level 2 bet line which is: 2-4-6-8-10-12-14 etc...
If while playing at the level 2 bet line and you lose on the 10 bet or greater, you move to the level 3 bet line which is, you guessed it 3-6-9-12-15-18 etc...
Any time you get close to your previous high bank, you can adjust down a bet level or more for safety. This is a conscious decision on your part. It will be based on your bank size and risk tolerance.
All you have to do the keep track is note what your next bet is on each even chance.
It's really pretty simple to play and so far it's very stable.
I know there's someone testing this who doesn't post much. Please feel free to step up and let others know that this is worth looking at.
GLC
Ok, I tested this system with 1 bilion spins, and at the end it was always ended in big profit.. so I made five 1 milion tests.. here are the results:
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Test 1 :
Profit : +5532
Biggest down ( below zero ) : -243
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Test 2 :
Profit : +1865
Biggest down : -89
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Test 3 :
Profit : +7101
Biggest down : -768
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Test 4 :
Profit : +4585
Biggest down : -365
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Test 5 :
Profit : +4189
Biggest down : -1366
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I did this without changing progression as you said in your last post, just +1 after loss and back to first bet after win..
For now it looks promissing.. There is no big downs, but for example in test 5 the biggest down is -1366, and it may seems little scary..
Thanks Boshkodj, The results are not that surprising. I could tell from the way it played that it was a good candidate to give us a reasonable chance at a win every time we go to the casino.
There will always be losing runs with any system. My guess is that it will show a slight loss on a double zero wheel which is what most of us Yanks have at our disposal.
I think the safety brake can soften most of the drawdowns a little.
Unfortunately, even 7,000 units won in a billion spins isn't so great that we should sell the house and run to the casino. What does it work out to? .0005 units per spin give or take a couple of zeros?
The question is, can money management be used to improve the results?
Also, will short playing sessions make any difference?
And, can it be improved on?
Maybe a good candidate for non-zero roulette.
It's my new go-to system in roulette.
Thanks for all the effort you put into testing it.
GLC
George
Not trying to be the voice of ruin and damnation, but..............
You only win on spin 1 or 2. Spin 3 is a push and from there on you're going in the hole. It seems this idea is only viable if you get lots of hits on your fourth and fifth spin of the run. Am I wrong?
When you win or spins 6, 7 or 8, you need a slew of 1 and 2 wins to make it up. Do you get them?
Mathematically, this just doesn't shake out for me.
What say you?
Don't let the sinkholes get you. Did you see the film on Florida? It's the end of the world, George! We must hurry to find the "Grail".
Sam
Dont bother George he's driving by in the Bently with christian rock coming out of the speakers---playing threes I feel is a good option its just tough to test
Hello Roulettiers,
here is my little excel tracker for GLC method. Just add your numbers and see for yourself.
I have it the way that it starts betting after 3 EC 's in a row till a win, then starts again with 1.
The only thing I haven't done is the correction of the ZERO during betting....
Surely Nick could do this better , but meanwhile I think this could help
I'm sure Sam will find it interesting ;)
Should you find errors don't tell me :o It would spoil the good results ;)
Have a great Day
Ray
Thanks Ray. I'm still waiting for George to answer my post.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 13, 04:37 PM 2013
Thanks Ray. I'm still waiting for George to answer my post.
Sam, I understand your position and you're correct, of course. All I can say is that so far I've been able to hit within the 1st, 2nd or 3rd bets a lot.
I think that the combination of wins from 2 or 3 even chances helps to off-set a losing progression.
Also, being able to distribute units from a losing progression to the other two seems to help.
I understand all the math as to why this shouldn't work. That's why I'm a little surprised that it actually came out ahead a little. I fully expected it to be very close but not quite in the plus.
My favorite way to play it is using a D'Alembert. +1 on a loss and -1 on a win. If I get 5 or 6 losses before a win, the next time I get to bet on that even chance, I start at the appropriate bet size. Usually, winning a couple after a series of losses is enough to get me back to even or plus when the wins from the other 2 even chances are factored in.
I have finally passed -100 units draw down, but it recovered nicely. My buy-in is 200 units.
For whatever reason, waiting for three in a row before starting the progression seems to work. Go figure.
Try it for a session to +20 and see what I mean.
GLC
crazy place this is--a billion spins and no one cares?... all I know about George is he's honest and doesn't give up!
Tom
I care. I just ask questions.
GLC
How do you do this handing-off of debt from one EC to another. This borders on "Martingale Averaging", but not quite.
If I knew the exact rules, I would pay Nick $25 to write me a sheet. (I have so many sheets now, I could hide under them when the wife calls!)
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 13, 10:03 PM 2013
Tom
I care. I just ask questions.
GLC
How do you do this handing-off of debt from one EC to another. This borders on "Martingale Averaging", but not quite.
If I knew the exact rules, I would pay Nick $25 to write me a sheet. (I have so many sheets now, I could hide under them when the wife calls!)
Sam
First of all, I prefer to play with 6 progressions. This gives me lots of opportunities for wins on lines other than the one that I've had a bad run of luck on. If, for instance my next bet on Black is 1, 3 on Red, 4 on odd, 1 on even, 7 on High and 2 on low. Let's also say that I'm only -7 for this attack. I have a few options. I can stay the course and hope that I win the next time I bet Red and Odd. Or I can reduce my bet on High to 4 and my bet on Red to 2. Or just my bet on High to 3. This reduces my chances of recovery with 1 or 2 wins, but it also keeps my bets lower if I go into a tailspin.
Another thing I do is if I have the above situation, I might add all my next bet amounts together and divide by 6 bringing everything down to a level playing field. So, in the above example I have 1+3+4+1+7+2=19 divided by 6 = a 4 and five 3's.
I have discovered that it's rare to get more than 1 or at most 2 locations doing poorly at the same time. Three quick wins get's me out of the hole, and a few quick losses isn't devastating.
I might add that I play around with bet switching rarely. The most common thing I do is just drop my highest bet by 2 or 3 steps as long as I don't need all those wins to recover completely. I never drop my bets so much that the sum of them is less than the amount I'm in the hole. We can still pull out of the hole if we do because playing D'Alembert style, a bet of 4 has within it a sum of 10 units. Remember it's really 4, then 3, then 2, then 1.
These are just a few ideas I've played around with. The biggest asset is that it tends to hit more than the odds would dictate. I get a lot of hits on the 1st bet after a 3 in a row trigger. I know that after 3 in a row we still only have a 50% chance for the streak to continue as we do for it to end and then the zero gives the house it's cut.
I can't explain it. Five tests of one billion spins with a positive result, howbeit a small positive, is not expected mathematically.
Did Bosh make a mistake? I don't know. I hope not.
I will add that I personally have had equally good results as this with other systems that have tanked enough to send on to looking at another system. So, I'm not saying this is "It". Just that it's a decent system.
I am 99% that I am not wrong with tests.. If you're not sure, just play in fun mode and see your results..
I tested some others systems that members sent me via PM, and they failed, just one had some potential in it, but with huge losses..
@bosh
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i have made some manual test
it is stong
but what scare me it is the drawdon at your test 5
more than 1000chip
@ray
i have made also test with 50 000 spin
with your traker its really positive if there
is no error in the traker
it s really positive i test with sequence of 1000 spins
largest drawdown -109
-21+42+82+33+20+78+5+34+45+30+120-8+106+51+1-89
+8+42+148+52+27+16-15+21+47-15+13-109+55+43-31-42+71
+85+119+130+87+126+30+35-30+19+60+163+62+68-22-25+71
so by doing 6 progressions are you splitting red and black into two bets , same with high and low and also with even and odd because i like that idea
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 16, 09:47 PM 2013
so by doing 6 progressions are you splitting red and black into two bets , same with high and low and also with even and odd because i like that idea
Yes!!
I've also been trying to figure out how to play this using my flat bet parlay system on all 6 bet locations. Haven't quite got it figured out yet but initial attempts look promising.
im telling you this will work with little risk! i like splitting also because it lowers the bet amounts but can take longer.....how about play individually till down a bit then splitting and adding on to other bets?
glc i think you will get this? say red runs 10x which will happen of course you slow that 12345, progression and start adding 1 chip to the other 5?
I like both ideas, Tom.
You're the master when it comes to keeping bet sizes realistic.
It's a lot easier to play a system with a 250 unit buy-in when you're testing it on betvoyager demo mode and it costs you nothing if it tanks.
I can imagine 250 units at $5 per unit could cause the pulse rate to increase a tad bit if you get down about 240 units. That's why I keep coming back to the flat bet parlay method. I know you can get pretty deep in the hole on a really bad run, but if you always start with a small bet you can opt out if it gets too deep for you galoshes.
Let's wait for a 3 in a row streak and then bet for a chop. Since we had a 3 in a row streak, we should be due for 3 chops. That means that we use a flat bet parlay of a 1 unit bet and 2 let it rides if we need them to reach a new high bank. If we reach a new high on the base bet or the 1st let it ride, we don't need to play for the 2nd let it ride. Do this on all 6 even chance bet locations and we have a pretty good chance to pull ahead 5 or so chips without putting too many chips at risk.
For more betting opportunities, we can play for a 3 in a row streak after a 3 in a row chop.
Example: If we get RRR we bet up to 3 times for RRRBRB
If we get RBRB we can bet up to 3 times for RBRBBBB
This should give us plenty of opportunities for bets so we're not languishing at the table waiting to make a bet.
We can always start with a 1 unit base bet or if we get too deep in the hole, we use a negative progression on the base bet and start with more units.
Test the last idea first since it's really a camouflaged negative progression and can get you in trouble if the win ratio gets too far out of balance.
Here's a possible progression for the last post.
The following is a chart you can use. It's based on always starting with a 1 unit base bet:
If lose 1 win 2 win 3 win result
-1 +1 +1
-2 +1 0
-3 +1 -1
-4 +1 +3 0
-5 +1 +3 -1
-6 +1 +3 -2
-7 +1 +3 +7 +1
-8 +1 +3 +7 0
-9 +1 +3 +7 -1
-10 +1 +3 +7 -2
If I lose 10 times in a row, I move to a 2 unit base bet, another 10 in a row and I move to a 3 unit base bet, etc...
Otherwise, I just keep playing at the same base bet until I reach a new high bank.
I prefer the original method the best.
None of the tweaks improve on it.
The flatbet parlay may help a little, but it also complicates it.
Forget about playing steaks and chops, too confusing.
Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 13, 03:37 PM 2013
Hello Roulettiers,
here is my little excel tracker for GLC method. Just add your numbers and see for yourself.
I have it the way that it starts betting after 3 EC 's in a row till a win, then starts again with 1.
The only thing I haven't done is the correction of the ZERO during betting....
Surely Nick could do this better , but meanwhile I think this could help
I'm sure Sam will find it interesting ;)
Should you find errors don't tell me :o It would spoil the good results ;)
Have a great Day
Ray
Ray, I forgot to thank you for this wonderful tracker. It seems to work great. I am thinking that there should be a better progression than my original one. I've tried a few and they all seem to work, but which is the optimum is the question?
If you ever get the time, could you code the spreadsheet to move 1 step to the right on a loss and 1 to the left on a win just to see if it does any better. And to see how deep of a draw down we get.
Thanks,
GLC
P.S. I just went back through your spreadsheet by hand playing +1, -1 and I came up with a net win of more than +115 units. That's not bad for 540 spins. Basically .25 units per spin. The largest draw down was -19 on an individual attack. Since it started winning and reached +24 before any draw downs, it was always plus, never in the hole.
Was this just a fortunate series of spins? Probably. There's surely a worse and probably a much worse set of spins coming out way. As we all know, you can't win every time you sit down at the table so a reasonable stop loss is a must with all these systems.
Thanks for your help my friend.
Hey George,
no problem. I postetd the modified tracker in the wrong thread.
So have a look at this modified version.
Have fun
Ray
thank Ray
very good work on your traker
its wonderful
and seems to work good
with the little test i have already done
Hey,
I'm happy to help. This helps me keeping my brain busy......
Ray
I liked this system and played it even for real, and worked nice.
Then i put it in my bot but in the long haul...
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 21, 05:32 PM 2013
I liked this system and played it even for real, and worked nice.
Then i put it in my bot but in the long haul...
Spin4funs graphs...LoL
I like a good laugh like the next man
Thanks
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 21, 05:32 PM 2013
I liked this system and played it even for real, and worked nice.
Then i put it in my bot but in the long haul...
My favourite sport down hill skiing ,I have a line system love to share it with you so the graph goes back up.
Quote from: warrior on Aug 21, 08:48 PM 2013
My favourite sport down hill skiing ,I have a line system love to share it with you so the graph goes back up.
I catch the chair lift back up. ^-^
I love to downhill and giant slalom ski--I still think this is a good concept:)
posted in bet selec before:
I think sharing and betting all of the the e/c's at one time is a very good idea without question! I've played it a bit and am going to play more--same thing with sharing line bets and column sections .....as I call them and dozens and columns... To me its all about the sesame st saying that is known internationally : "Sharing is Caring"
Okay Tom. Since I know you like to play $25 chips to keep from falling asleep at the table, here's a pretty safe bet progression that you might find interesting.
1-1-1
2-2-2
3-3-3
4-4-4
5-5-5
6-6-6
etc...
All you do is bet for a win within the 3 bets at each level. A win on any of the 3 bets sends you back to the 1st bet in that level.
You only go to the next level if you lose 3 bets in a row.
I like to stay at a level until I recover all previous bets or lose 3 times in a row.
I know, if you win on the 3rd bet, you lose one bet amount. That's the tax the casino charges for giving you the chance to win some of their money.
The theory is that you will win on the 1st bet much more often than you will win on the 2nd bet. And you will win on the 3rd bet much less often than you win on the 1st bet. The equalizer is losing all 3 bets. That's why we have to have a little progression so we can recoup previous losses with a good win streak at the higher bets.
You can also play D'Alembert style, +1-1 to keep your bets even lower, but you'll recover much slower and there's no guarantee that you'll hit a good enough win streak to pull you out at lower bet levels. I must add that there's no guarantee that you'll hit a good enough win streak to pull you out at any bet level. But with anything but the worst luck, you should be all right most of the time.
Sounds like a good time to mention the old stop-loss factor.
P.S. This may have been posted before, but at my age the memory plays tricks on you. Repetition doesn't hurt us as long as it doesn't get out of hand. Just let me know if it does.
It's hard to have over 2500 posts without some repetition. Nobody has that much new stuff to say!
George---you know I more than appreciate this--but I have to deal with reality---im thinking this and other stuff w the 201 progression to your favor...like 10x (could be another amount) till all evens out--Im also trying to keep this to my normal playing time-1 hour which in reality is 20 spins,-----god bless you and family!
Android App runing the EC #101 method:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13506 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13506)
GLC's thing is superb! but now Im doing my own version of 3 e/c's-----ahhh the terror of thinking I should have used his- but he is a great thinker!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 18, 12:12 AM 2013
GLC's thing is superb! but now I'm doing my own version of 3 e/c's-----ahhh the terror of thinking I should have used his- but he is a great thinker!
Wow! I've never been called a "great thinker".
In roulette, that's a little scary given how often it turns on you and rips your heart out.
Be sure and share your ideas with us once you get them hammered out.
GLC