Keel's Original Recipe
O.K. guys give this a fair chance. I will simply post the logic behind this strategy and post the rules.
I have been trying to find ways of mixing flat betting with pressing your winnings into higher gains. I believe I have found a really good one.
For even chance bets
Step 1: Flat bet 1 unit for 10 spins. Keep track of how many times you won. The number of times you won is your gross winnings. Let us say you won (4) times. 4 is your gross and -2 is your net profit.
Step 2: Start flat betting your gross winnings unit amount. In this case it would be 4. Anytime you are down just 1 result, you reset back to step 1. Yes, you could be back at step 1 if you lose the very first spin. As long as you are ahead or even during this step 2, you keep flat betting your gross winning unit amount.
*There really is no stop/loss amount, but you can set a stop/win amount and start over. I like to reset around +6 units. A 30 unit buy-in amount should be comfortable enough.
A hypothetical example: I will bet nothing but low (1-18)
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27
I won 5. My net profit is 0. My gross winnings is 5. I start flat betting 5 units
12 -- W ...keep going
21 -- L
31 -- L ...here I have 2 losses and 1 win --- my overall net profit is -5
**reset to step 1**
It is so simple
You see, the point is, you may catch a nice run while betting the higher unit amount; especially right after a nice run during your 1st ten spin results. You catch a trend.
We raise our stakes so carefully that if you don't start out with a win on your first spin, you revert back to betting 1 unit for ten more spins so you can establish some more seed money.
Your balance does not suffer that greatly either which allows you to use higher unit sizes and therefore a 6 unit gain is still a good amount dollar wise.
The only down side is it may take 100 spins to catch the kind of run you need, but my visual look at the results tell me you will catch something eventually. Test the strategy out for yourselves.
check please if i did it correct
same numbers fallow the last low/high, first bet on low
dublin live spins just now
Keel,
Nice and innovative way to progress your bets. :thumbsup:
I have made a short video, are you able to see and confirm that am doing it right?
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_amDcyc247c
- Yanks
yes, i understand it same as you
Everyone has got it correctly. I haven't checked every single spin you had with a fine toothed comb, but it seems you got it right.
*Just remember when flat betting the higher unit amount, that you keep going as long as you are ahead or even for that particular run. It seems that biagle --you got it.
Thanks for the youtube clip. It is awesome. priyanka
did you played it? what is your results?
Hi Keel,
So you only go back to stage 1 bets if you go negative with level 2 bets?
Thanks
Keel
Very good explanation and presentation, complete with a little logic! I might bot this puppy! Later on.........after my vacation.
Yanks
Gupta? Isn't there some famous doctor by that name? Or philosopher? (Naturally, you're famous!! No slight to you.)
LOL
Great video.
Samster
Quote from: buffalowizard on Aug 20, 01:01 PM 2013
Hi Keel,
So you only go back to stage 1 bets if you go negative with level 2 bets?
Thanks
Yes... as soon as you go negative. You must win that very 1st spin. It's like sticking your toe in the water to see if things are warm enough. When the waters get warm you'll be fully involved at 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, or even 10 times your normal stake. That stake is also previous winnings.
This may be no grail by any stretch, but it can be a very solid way to play
Quote from: biagle on Aug 20, 12:57 PM 2013
did you played it? what is your results?
I have only played my strategy for fun a couple of times, but I have visually looked at thousands of results with the naked eye. I look for enough of a trend that starts on my step 2 that can be profitable enough to catch up and come out ahead. Sometimes it takes 100+ spins, but eventually you will catch a (8 out of 12) or (16 out of 24) ..... something like that; while your bets are multiple units of "house" money.
I just would like to say I have been playing this method a few times since I posted. It performs great. You must be a little patient, but at some point, I walk with profits.
I wonder if this could be mass tested somehow, someway?
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Hi Keel, btw did u come up with this mm system urself? It works pretty well on Bac.
Yes I came up with this myself. It should work with any near 50/50 1 to 1 payout situation.
HI Keel,
Thanks for sharing. I believe it could be a slow earner...
I've been trying some short sessions and what I find difficult is to put a higher bet at risk after the 10 flat bet spins. Suppose you have had 2 flat runs of 10 spins followed by a loser bet. Again you start a new third flat run of 10 spins and this time 8 out of 10 bets are a winner, so after the flat run, you bet 8 units. Now normaly if its your second run, it would be easily recoupable playing 8 unit bets. But after 3 or 4 runs, betting 8 units to recoup all, can become difficult.
I find your stoploss of 30 units very workable.
Have you given any thought to play last or second last EC instead of a fixed EC?
Regards,
Bob
Quote from: foreverBOB on Nov 21, 02:20 PM 2013
HI Keel,
Thanks for sharing. I believe it could be a slow earner...
I've been trying some short sessions and what I find difficult is to put a higher bet at risk after the 10 flat bet spins. Suppose you have had 2 flat runs of 10 spins followed by a loser bet. Again you start a new third flat run of 10 spins and this time 8 out of 10 bets are a winner, so after the flat run, you bet 8 units. Now normaly if its your second run, it would be easily recoupable playing 8 unit bets. But after 3 or 4 runs, betting 8 units to recoup all, can become difficult.
I find your stoploss of 30 units very workable.
Have you given any thought to play last or second last EC instead of a fixed EC?
Regards,
Bob
Bob, Maybe you could break the 8 units won into 2 bets of 4 units each. If you lose the 1st attempt, you still have another chance to start a streak at 4. It kind of waters the system down somewhat, but it may suit some players better.
Keel, Thanks for the new idea. It seems to be a solid way to play. We need more new ideas. :thumbsup:
GLC
You can most certainly make some adjustment to fit how aggressive you want to be. As a matter of fact, if your flat bet of 10 is profitable on its own, no need to raise stakes at all. You will find that catching a nice trend while betting 8 can be most useful when catching up. Keep fiddling.....
I might be able to help a little bit on this in terms of BET SELECTION. Which even bet, why and when........ I read this years ago and I highly agree with it >>
We'll use red and black as my example (L is black).
Always bet the second last outcome, NOT the last. Meaning, the red/black TWO spins ago. We usually get THREE main events with the ECs.
A) R R R R R R R R
B) R L R L R L R L R
C) RR LL RR LL RR LL RR
2 of the 3 will be winners for us, A and B. We only lose on C.
The people that play the LAST outcome will only win on A and break even on C. If a 0/00 hits, repeat the SAME bet. This style of red/black betting can be used for many other methods, not just this one.
Ken
ken, can you give me example how you would bet this with your bet selection
RRRRBBBBRB
Thanks!
R << Last to hit I assume? (this RED is a win because of two down is also RED)
R << This is the second last outcome, I would bet on RED.
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R
L
L
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L
R
L
Real SIMPLE.....bet on the second last (from the top) that hit, not counting those zeros of course. Like I said, this is the worse pattern >>
R
R
L
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R
R
L
L
R
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L When this starts to form, you can then switch to odd/even. Same thing, second last outcome.
Ken
Try this ,a cycle of 6 spins look for a double red or black stop on a win either color ,40 losses in 10000
Ex R BRR win wait for the cycle to end
BB win wait ,and so on,you will be surprised now you can flat bet ,when you get 3 Ls in a row add a Marty for 7.or whatever progression .
I've been playing this system for a few days on Unibet automated live wheel. The progress is slow and steady. I can enjoy the recipe but the overall balance tends to go negative after some time.
If this could be tested on larger data, I believe the end results will not be positive.
GLC, you mentioned to split up the 1 time bet into 2 parts. It would be safer indeed depending on the total amount to recoup.
If stoploss has not reached -30 then a first or second run of 10 spins may call for a single 1 time bet. However when a few consecutive runs are lost, then splitting the 1 time bet into 2 or more parts can be considered.
I have tried using some outside progression on Keels strategy, to recoup previous session losses. My opinion is that progressions in general fail.
Still, providing a small basebet and a large Bank, this system just needs a recoup strategy when several -30units sessions are lost.
Forgot to mention:
Like MR J, I do bet second last on EC.
Double twins are the only horror : RR BB RR BB...
All consecutive hits are a win : RRRRRR...
Alternating Chops are a win: R B R B R....
Other patterns with no dominating twins will break even or win.
I would like there to be no stop loss with my strategy. The reset should happen when you get +10, or whatever you like, depending on how much you are down or how much you want to keep playing. I feel you should play it as close to small steady profits as you can. You don't even have to raise your bet after the 10 if you dont need/want to.
My goal was to create a method that was just a little boost to flat betting. That is all that is needed to get over the edge.
Thanks so much Keel! I made some test with Baccarat .... nice results..i think that is strong method!
Best wishes.
Good to hear. That's all I want; a strong method, a solid way to play, not a get rich quick scheme.
Quote from: keel44 on Nov 30, 12:10 PM 2013
not a get rich quick scheme.
Keel...you've got half the battle with the right approach (attitude)
Gambling or business...get rich slow schemes are the key to success...just keep grinding out profits albeit small ones...nothing destroys a plan like losses.
Nothing really compares to the power of compound interest and consistent little wins eventually turn into big ones
Play smart and within your bankroll...don't let a couple bad streaks take you out of the game
Just to recap........ Not sure what peoples views are for the BEST betting scheme on the EC's but as far as bet selection goes, the second last outcome is a winner, in my opinion. Maybe simply flat betting, nothing complicated?
Like I said, if it gets this far as a bad run >>
R
R
L
L
R
R....... No longer than this, I would switch to odd/even and STAY on that until you get the same bad situation. Then switch BACK to red/black.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 17, 04:35 PM 2013
Just to recap........ Not sure what peoples views are for the BEST betting scheme on the ECs but as far as bet selection goes, the second last outcome is a winner, in my opinion. Maybe simply flat betting, nothing complicated?
Like I said, if it gets this far as a bad run >>
R
R
L
L
R
R....... No longer than this, I would switch to odd/even and STAY on that until you get the same bad situation. Then switch BACK to red/black.
Ken
and you are not playing low/high? why?
No reason. You dont mean all three EC's at once? (lol) I do the colors until I get in a jam, then switch to odd/even.........then back again.
BOTH of those at once will not have the same bad run, which means if one does, the OTHER one will not, can not.
Ken
no, not 3 at same time:)
and about flat bet.. ok, say you are down 17 units, how do you think it is best to recover? As it should be played with higher units and "hit and run" not all night long i think.
Like I said, not sure of the BEST way to play the EC's. There are 429 different ways, bettors feel their way is best. (lol) I'm all ears.
Huge difference between HOW to bet something and THE bet selection itself.
Ken
Here's number 430
If I were to play an EC style bet I would go with this (00 Wheel)
It's actually a 15 number bet so not quite an EC in it's purest form (although you could easily add a few numbers if you must)
0,2,5,7,9,11,14,17,20,23,26,28,30,32,35 (remember 00 wheel)
There are variations of this that muddy the waters on payouts if you need to run a progression but don't have sufficient bankroll.
Progression players with small bank might start with split 0/00 (I know adds the 00 and dilutes the bet plus takes you to the other side of the wheel) Split 2/5, Street 7,8,9, Split 11/14, Split 17/20, Split 23/26, Street 28,29,30, Split 32/35 (maybe play 2 units on the streets...all personal preference stuff. Then go to the 15 numbers...then start stacking the 15 numbers as necessary.
If you had a really small bank and needed to start low...Your first bet would be 2nd column (you pick how many units)...the two streets and the 0/00 split
I haven't looked at it deeply because I just don't play this many numbers... but if I was... I would likely look at some of the work Turner recently did on EC's and see how it translated either on a follow the last or before the last basis.