Yes, I know EACH spin is independant of each other, blah blah blah, I don't need the speach. My point being, the number of times you have read regarding past numbers meaning NOTHING. This misconception is usually from Advantage-play guys but there are sometimes others. In 37/38 spins, on average, there are 3 numbers with 3 hits on it. Sometimes 2 numbers, sometimes 4 numbers, whatever.
Lets say its the numbers 5, 17 and 34. I am looking for a YES or a NO to this question......try not to DRIFT from the question. Didn't those three numbers have to have two hits on them (within 37/38) BEFORE it had 3 hits? The number 5 is not going to magically jump from having ONE hit on it, then out of no where, it has 3 hits on it. My point being, if PAST numbers mean nothing, then HOW is it that we can gage that there will 2-4 numbers with 3 hits on them?
An example of a little contest we can have >> We'll track some numbers. Of course we know CHEATING may be involved with that, as usual. LoL When we have 25 numbers recorded, I will pick 3 numbers that I think will have 3 hits on it by 38 (or 37) spins. *BUT* I also get to pick ANY 3 numbers for you, you don't get to choose your numbers. At the end of 38 numbers, we'll see who has the most numbers with 3 hits.
Who knows, I might not have any. Also, we'll do this for 30 groups of 38 numbers. At the end of the 30 groups, according to the slide ruler guys, it should be roughly 15/15. Maybe not exact but it should be close. Why? Because "the ball has no memory. All numbers are independant from one another, PAST NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING". Ken
Good point Ken/Mr_J
Here is a point of view.
Two guys decide to go to the casino.
They both live in the same state.
Same street.
They are both good friends.
They are both going to use the EXACT same system.
Jim(Player 1) gets to the casino first.
He starts playing at the roulette table.
He has racked up about 40 spins on the roulette table.
Dave is very, very late.
Got held up in traffic.
Dave sits at the same table.
Starts playing the EXACT same system as Jim.
But at a different time.
Jim as you recall has 40+ spins up.
And notices that Low Dozens have not turned up for 12 spins.
Dave with only a few spins up.
Sees that Low Dozens have not turned up for 2 spins.
According to their system.
(Remember they are both playing the same system.)
At 12 misses of a dozen. The system says bet.
So Jim starts betting on Low Dozens.
Dave does not.
Even though they are friends.
And are sitting at the same table.
And are playing the EXACT same system.
Since Jim started before Dave.
Jim has a history he is basing his bets on.
Where as Dave is building up his history.
They both play for 2 hours.
Jim finishes first.
And goes to the bar.
Waits for Dave.
Dave, some 50 minutes later. Finishes.
Both have done well today.
The system they used worked well.
They talk.
Jim asks, why so late?
Traffic... says Dave.
I know previous numbers have no relevance to current numbers.
But all the systems I have seen. All the software I have.
Are all based on what has not happened.
As yet, there is no forward thinking software.
Like they have in the stock market.
I am referring to Fibonacci.
The only element in trading that looks forward.
Be interesting to see if someone could come up with Fib for Roulette.
So, as for previous numbers.
I have won with progressions.
On waiting for x.
Some others have as well.
Flat betting is the same.
Still waiting for something not to occur.
Or to occur. Say, 7,11,14,21, and 30 have appeared on a regular basis.
Flat betting depending on the system you have.
Would have you bet on some of those numbers.
Not saying that flat betting isn't any good.
Just saying that it can loose just as well as any system can.
Because of RNG. Or random numbers.
Even on a live wheel.
Just my thoughts.
Great post TG! Keep in mind, this thread has nothing to do with a method in any way. I made one mistake. I should of asked the nay sayers (a week ago).....hey guys, is there ANY situation you can think of, where I have an advantage picking 3 numbers? MOST of the answers would of been the same.
No Ken, the ball has no memory etc. etc. I instead change up the question and now all of a sudden, there is a situation (or two) that past numbers are NOW helpful. WTF? lol How many methods have I posted in the past that I got slammed for even mentioning, tracking and looking at past events? Lots, is the answer. You see, past numbers, in a sense are helpful with future outcomes. People can not have it both ways. Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 16, 01:36 AM 2010
Great post TG! Keep in mind, this thread has nothing to do with a method in any way. I made one mistake. I should of asked the nay sayers (a week ago).....hey guys, is there ANY situation you can think of, where I have an advantage picking 3 numbers? MOST of the answers would of been the same.
No Ken, the ball has no memory etc. etc. I instead change up the question and now all of a sudden, there is a situation (or two) that past numbers are NOW helpful. WTF? LoL How many methods have I posted in the past that I got slammed for even mentioning, tracking and looking at past events? Lots, is the answer. You see, past numbers, in a sense are helpful with future outcomes. People can not have it both ways. Ken
I don't think you will have that problem here Ken.
Any method that you have.
Would be appreciated.
Any system, concept or ideas.
Would also be appreciated.
Note: My story has a happy ending.
This is not always the case.
But I have heard that those that stick to a system.
No matter what one it is.
Do a great deal better than those that just randomly place bets all over the place.
To see this in action.
Go visit Dublin Bet.
As soon as I have the funds.
I will do something with Dublin Bet.
And post a video.
People think I am arguing and I am not. If someone says that past numbers mean NOTHING for future events, that cool with me BUT they can NOT have exceptions. Its either 100% your view or 100% not your view. They cant have both. Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 16, 03:07 AM 2010
People think I am arguing and I am not. If someone says that past numbers mean NOTHING for future events, that cool with me BUT they can NOT have exceptions. Its either 100% your view or 100% not your view. They can't have both. Ken
ROFL...
Ken...
Not sure who said you were arguing.
You have your point of view.
And some members will appreciate it.
And some members wont.
It's just the way it is.
I get flac on my posts from time to time.
Or at least I use to at VLS.
In here.
I got full control.
You have very little to fear in here Ken.
If you have something to say.
Then say it.
Your the mod of your own posts.
You can delete posts that you don't like.
If you wish.
You could, have your very own section.
Where you can rant and rave all you like.
Not saying that you rant and rave.
But if you wanted to express your opinion.
In the safety of your very own section.
Then just ask Victor to set one up for you.
The more diverse opinions we have.
The more ideas we have on Roulette.
The greater our chances of finding something that will beat it.
Or at least make more than we lose.
Just my opinion.
No, no sorry. I dont mean arguing here. I meant at VLS and the Wizards site. Ken
Ken, is there a forum at the Wizard's site? I couldn't see one.
Ken, I assume you're talking about Advantage Players. Yes, the system player and Advantage-player may both look at past spins as a basis on which to make future bets, but the difference is in the conclusions they may come to, and whether those conclusions are valid in each case.
Both look at the stats, but the system player may come to a conclusion which isn't warranted by the evidence. Usually, an Advantage-play will take into account other evidence apart from the statistics. For example, if you happen to notice that a number is hitting more often than it should do (outside the "normal" standard deviations), then this is evidence that the wheel MAY have a bias. If you then observe that the neighbours of that number also have more hits than average, this gives additional weight to the theory. Or you may observe that the cone in that area (above that number) is slightly warped.
The problem is that the die-hard "math guys" also assert that a number could hit 20 times in a row (because spins are independent), or that red could hit 100 times in a row, but at the same time they would see this as evidence of bias!
So you really need to take into account factors other than pure statistics - what would account for the stats being what they are? I think that's the reason why APs say that all system players are betting on fallacies.
I just got back from the casino.....12 hours! I have around 30 posts to respond to but....I'm going to bed! Ken
"I assume you're talking about Advantage Players" >>> Not at all Bayes. It was a question (the beginning of this thread) in regards to 'are past numbers useless'? Ken
I'm making one (copy/paste) statement so I dont have to re-do it on the other 7 boards. lol Yes, I do think that past numbers CAN assist us in future betting. All of us may not have the same definition of 'future'. It could mean 3 spins later or maybe 200 spins later, I dont know. Anyways, a person can not have BOTH of these views. If you think you do, let me know.
A) Past numbers mean NOTHING, they are of NO USE. Even those first 25 spins like I mentioned for the challenge. The past means NOTHING !!
B) It is an unfair challenge Ken. After those first 25 spins, I pick MY 3 numbers for 13 spins (2 hits on them) and I pick YOUR 3 numbers (0 hits on them) for 13 spins (flat betting). A trial of 30 times, 38 numbers per.
(Sidenote: I am not talking about any form of a bias wheel, cough)
You can pick either 'A' or 'B'..... Not both and not 'C'. Sorry if this bothers some people, I won't lose sleep over it. My point of all this? I have posted that answer but I'll do it again. Many, many posters have bickered and complained regarding using past numbers. Thats cool with me, I have ZERO issue with that unless.....you ALSO choose 'B'. At least I stay consistent, I dont change my answer after viewing OTHER answers first, just so I fit in with the crew.
At least I have the balls to post something, knowing AHEAD OF TIME, will get sour posts in return. Lets be honest, are there some posters that feel there are different versions of 'past numbers'? If so, do tell. Would someone say, those first 25 spins are NOT part of the 'past' but maybe 150 spins ago, that is the 'past'? Just curious. Ken
Dear Ken,
Past spins matters a lot to me. The very first successful method that I devised was based upon the past spins. My theory of "Law of uneven distribution" says that within a short period of say 50 or 100 spins, all 37 numbers may not appear and even all appear( practically I have never seen yet on live wheels)but all numbers would not turn out equally and evenly. Some numbers will remain sleepers and some will hit as much as 6-7 times. while many numbers will come twice or thrice, many numbers will appear only once. This practicality helped me devise a great system and I learned how to get ahead of the game in long run. I know, ball has no eyes and memory and that is exactly why ball can not always find slots where it should have gone as per the law of averages and hits some numbers more than others. However, a biased RNG can create this type of situation where every number/dozen/column/EC appear equally.
In terms of other sites. I am amazed how posters will either NOT answer this question or go back and fourth on the fence. Its like some dont want their NAME attached to the answer, just in case. But in case of what? lol Thank you Albalaha for your answer. I will jot you down as a 'B' answer. Ken
I do have an announcement >>> This thread question by FAR, is one of the best I have ever come up with and there have been many. I have a bunch of As, a bunch of Bs, a couple who think they can have both and MANY that will not attach their name to an answer for whatever reason (multiple message boards) Ken
Put me down for a B type person.
All the bots I use rely on past numbers.
Even Kimo Li uses past numbers.
Rather than be accused of sitting on the fence, I would have to say that I fall into the 'B' category. :)
B :thumbsup:
'B'for me!!
this is something I found on the internet. and maybe it's the "bridge"between wether past spins have any influence on future spins or not:
"Coin-tosses, roulette wheels, radioactive decay and other games of chance have no memory. So letââ,¬â,,¢s consider quickly the difference of a random process with a memory, such as brownian motion or a random walk.
Levy flight or drunkard's walkImagine tracking a jittering particle that with every step can jump in one of four directions. It can go left, right, forwards or backwards. Well a quarter of the time it will go back the way it just came, erasing its last step. And at other times it may repeat its last jump, even making runs of jump in the same direction like a sequence of heads.
So the particle is behaving randomly. Yet now this system (also called a Levy flight) has a memory because each new step takes off from wherever the particle last landed. It is like a drunk staggering around an infinitely large field. The actions are random but carry a history of the past with them. "
cheers
hans
History of spins is essential to test any sort of "system". In roulette, we can earn by predicting the future numbers, if we can't predict, we can't earn. If we play all 37/38 numbers, we will be at loss, hence the past numbers has to be seen. Only those players who are having premonition or so called visual ballistic or bias analysis or who are said to identify dealer's signature or users of cheating roulette computers may not need past data. There are some systems also which rely upon betting on some set of numbers and their shuffling with or without progression, they also do not need past spins data.
All events (in this world) are linked.
They are linked by time.
And roulette is a chain of events...
So time as a roulette factor, and how that could be exploited, is perhaps of greater importance than whether or not numbers have a memory.
Guess that makes me a C (or a Z in some folks' eyes LOL)
Past numbers may be required to do various things to various people, some may use it to find a bias, some may use it to find hot and cold numbers, i.e. sleepers etc. But looking at any past data you can't get any instant benefit. I see past data to determine my bet size and style.
"I see past data to determine my bet size and style" >>> So regardless the REASON of the past, it can (at least for you) be used for a PURPOSE, correct? Ken
Offcourse Ken,
I always see past data but alongwith it also takes care that I do not get trapped into Gambler's fallacy. Actually, gambling is all about taking chances and a professional takes it smartly. Just that.
yes, i sure want to reply on this post. Has anyone changed categories all these years. And it was quite funny to read about the "Law of uneven distribution", son of GOD.
Im A at the moment so I can test it
Trouble is I am hard wired into B
I could ratlle on about some A idea and most posts would be about "surely you just used a past spin"
(Cue Pryanka :twisted:)
I am playing with 2 ideas at the moment. One is A and one is B. Cant help it.
Then you are firmly rooted on B Turner. :wink:
When in doubt, fill B out. I'm in for B.
Simple: Past spins always hold clues to predict future spins. They ARE related, but not in the way that 99% of players look for.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 16, 07:57 AM 2016
Simple: Past spins always hold clues to predict future spins. They ARE related, but not in the way that 99% of players look for.
Steve, you're tough to get a hold of!
2010? Am I the board leader for most topics re-hashed? I never know if I should take it as a compliment OR why is somebody reading/replying on MY topic from so long ago?
Usually at this point I see....."geez Ken, you sure dont sound like that now, why not".
No big deal, its still a fun topic.
Ken
Past numbers NEVER leave They will always be THERE at any given moment in time ..................
Quote from: Tamino on Apr 16, 10:11 AM 2016
Past numbers NEVER leave They will always be THERE at any given moment in time ..................
Wow, how did I miss this thread. Grins.
Now I have some reading to do ! At least the title of the thread is right
Funny how so-few people picked A
Maybe people doing more research into "random" would help.
Then after that - you'll have to accept the truth - that past spins don't mean a single thing
unless you're tracking for a bias wheel.
I covered this in my "Basics that no one wants to hear" thread.
But if you still doubt it - ask yourself why the casino has display boards showing you the history of numbers.
(Because they KNOW that most everyone will look to them for some kind of magical info and think that they can
use that info to win. - the casino doesn't want you to win. The casino won't do anything to help you win.......
so why are the display boards there ? Because those past spins trick people who believe "B" into betting - hence the
casino makes more money as you eventually lose your bankroll).
You'll have to let this go and look in another direction or else you can't get to the next level.
It's just that simple.
This should allow everyone to focus on 2 things instead of 3
(1) Past Spins
(2) Present Spin
(3) Future Spins
See ? You can eliminate #1 and move on - it makes the journey easier when there are only 2 possible roads to go down.
Cheers
Well I am A.....but I gave up smoking 6 years ago and still breath in a bit deeper throught the nose when I walk past someone with a cig.
Old habits die hardÄ—
Considering option # 2 and 3 is " Back to the Future" play. An honest and consequential way .
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 16, 10:59 AM 2016
Funny how so-few people picked A
Maybe people doing more research into "random" would help.
Then after that - you'll have to accept the truth - that past spins don't mean a single thing
unless you're tracking for a bias wheel.
I covered this in my "Basics that no one wants to hear" thread.
But if you still doubt it - ask yourself why the casino has display boards showing you the history of numbers.
(Because they KNOW that most everyone will look to them for some kind of magical info and think that they can
use that info to win. - the casino doesn't want you to win. The casino won't do anything to help you win.......
so why are the display boards there ? Because those past spins trick people who believe "B" into betting - hence the
casino makes more money as you eventually lose your bankroll).
You'll have to let this go and look in another direction or else you can't get to the next level.
It's just that simple.
This should allow everyone to focus on 2 things instead of 3
(1) Past Spins
(2) Present Spin
(3) Future Spins
See ? You can eliminate #1 and move on - it makes the journey easier when there are only 2 possible roads to go down.
Cheers
So, Turbo! You've eliminated one choice and we are only left with two now. What would your approach be in regards to these two choices? How would you play the roulette game with those two choices at hand? Is it a system, a strategy, or?
Your own personal "past spins" from your session can show you why you won - or show others why and how you won.
But when they sit down to play, the past spins that they didn't play mean nothing to what is coming.
I think that's why there's so much confusion or defiance against this topic.
You could explain it to someone when you're done. "This" happened so I did "this".... doesn't mean past spins - it simply shows how you played your session. The person that you're telling it to won't be able to use those same numbers (or number) and then sit down and carry on with your winnings.
He would be using past spins.
That's why "triggers" and "exit points" and "entry points" and "stop-loss" are all terms that make no sense in this game. None of them deal with random and how it works.
I'll say it again..... if everyone reads this and understands it - it will be a big step in how you see things.
Someone puts a car in a parking lot and it is set to move in Random directions.
It could go straight, it could go right, it could stop, it could go backwards - it randomly chooses
each moment what to do.
This will look insane to anyone watching the car - but... it's random.
Now - how silly would it be for someone - a bystander - to say
"If the car goes right then that's your trigger and now bet that it will turn left"
or
"If the car stops twice and then turns right, that's your trigger to bet on it going backwards"
or
"If it goes left and then right - that's your stoploss point, it won't go where you want it to go now"
or
"I can tell that the car will go right in this parking spot because an hour ago it went left, right, forward and then stopped in that spot over there."
As a person watching the bystander you would probably be flabbergasted and shake your head.
Surely looking at the path that the car took already isn't going to show you where it's going.
So this will bring people to think that the only way to win is "luck".
"Luck" doesn't exist. It's a terrible word that reminds me of religion - some unseen magical force that helps you win if your lucky ??? Let's stop that as well.. I'm amazed that word is still used given that we know what we do 'these days'.
"Back to the future" play ? It won't help in the long-term either. I can show you how going 5,000 spins into the future and then coming back and telling you what number shows up the most still won't allow you to win. The house edge would overtake whatever positive std deviation the number appears at and you'll still be negative. (given enough spins). This is just math and can't be disputed. So that leaves time traveling tips from the future out of the mix (lol) at least for long-term play.
The truth of the matter is knowing and deciding WHEN to bet WHAT. Very simple.
Nathan Detroit
Turbo: ,Long term play is not for this cat. .The future is just ONE step beyond>
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 16, 11:44 AM 2016
Your own personal "past spins" from your session can show you why you won - or show others why and how you won.
But when they sit down to play, the past spins that they didn't play mean nothing to what is coming.
I think that's why there's so much confusion or defiance against this topic.
You could explain it to someone when you're done. "This" happened so I did "this".... doesn't mean past spins - it simply shows how you played your session. The person that you're telling it to won't be able to use those same numbers (or number) and then sit down and carry on with your winnings.
He would be using past spins.
That's why "triggers" and "exit points" and "entry points" and "stop-loss" are all terms that make no sense in this game. None of them deal with random and how it works.
I'll say it again..... if everyone reads this and understands it - it will be a big step in how you see things.
Someone puts a car in a parking lot and it is set to move in Random directions.
It could go straight, it could go right, it could stop, it could go backwards - it randomly chooses
each moment what to do.
This will look insane to anyone watching the car - but... it's random.
Now - how silly would it be for someone - a bystander - to say
"If the car goes right then that's your trigger and now bet that it will turn left"
or
"If the car stops twice and then turns right, that's your trigger to bet on it going backwards"
or
"If it goes left and then right - that's your stoploss point, it won't go where you want it to go now"
or
"I can tell that the car will go right in this parking spot because an hour ago it went left, right, forward and then stopped in that spot over there."
As a person watching the bystander you would probably be flabbergasted and shake your head.
Surely looking at the path that the car took already isn't going to show you where it's going.
So this will bring people to think that the only way to win is "luck".
"Luck" doesn't exist. It's a terrible word that reminds me of religion - some unseen magical force that helps you win if your lucky ??? Let's stop that as well.. I'm amazed that word is still used given that we know what we do 'these days'.
"Back to the future" play ? It won't help in the long-term either. I can show you how going 5,000 spins into the future and then coming back and telling you what number shows up the most still won't allow you to win. The house edge would overtake whatever positive std deviation the number appears at and you'll still be negative. (given enough spins). This is just math and can't be disputed. So that leaves time traveling tips from the future out of the mix (lol) at least for long-term play.
Why don't you just answer @rourkes questions?
Thanks..
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 16, 11:44 AM 2016
Your own personal "past spins" from your session can show you why you won - or show others why and how you won.
Two questions for you and all others adapting to this personal karma thingy.
1. When you say your own are you talking about placing bets on those personal past spins or just observing them.
2. How different is your personal past spins different from the past spins that is coming from a wheel "which is the wheels personal past spins"
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 16, 11:53 AM 2016
Why don't you just answer @rourkes questions?
Thanks..
Because everything in life is a learning process.
Roulette has limits. Recent past spins can help
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 16, 12:03 PM 2016
Two questions for you and all others adapting to this personal karma thingy.
1. When you say your own are you talking about placing bets on those personal past spins or just observing them.
2. How different is your personal past spins different from the past spins that is coming from a wheel "which is the wheels personal past spins"
1) No, I'm not placing bets on "past spins". They can only be used to show someone how you got to where you are. They are your past spins that you played. The person that you're telling them to can't use them - they have no value now. What he could do - is use the same strategy that you used to win. Random is like a test and your "book of answers" won't help the next player because he's taking a seperate test. You can still both pass the test, but you'll have different answers. Grins. I just gave myself a headache.
2) The wheel doesn't have past spins. If it could 'think' for itself, it would only know what spin just happened. When they track wheels to check for flaws - when it's not 'random' anymore because of some defect - they can tell that this sector or that hit above what random would allow for ("random has limits - math beats a math game" used to be a profile quote of mine). But on a wheel producing random results, having all the past spins you can handle won't help in trying to figure out what's coming next - or in 10 spins, or 20. So "past spins" for analysis by the casino makes total sense, if it's not producing random results then they can find out and fix the defect. The "past spins" reader boards are at the wheel just as an added trickery to exploit more money from the gamblers because (even they know) that these are useless to the player when it comes to what's coming next.
Interesting. ...... so past spins mean nothing? Well I disagree. They mean more then we think. In roulette we ALWAYS can expect some things to happen in some amount of spins. Yes ALWAYS. So how to use that ? Well...by looking past spins .
I'm not gonna argue on this...but it is what it is. (No I don't mean that 10 times red come and now bet black). Pryanka knows more about this too. Even though I can't figure out what he exactly doing...he uses past spins too...with success.
Or Mr j ...complete a street and his other stuff...
Or RG...
Or
Or......
But hey Turbo. .... if you have Succes playing and thinking how you do....just keep on going
At the end it's all of us vs the casino :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Apr 16, 12:50 PM 2016
But hey Turbo. .... if you have Succes playing and thinking how you do....just keep on going
At the end it's all of us vs the casino :thumbsup:
That's the problem Denize... I can't quite grasp how Turbo approach the game of Roulette. I know he doesn't take past spins into account. Fair enough :-) But how does he choose his bets? Does he randomly pick a number between 0 and 36 or?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 16, 12:03 PM 2016
Because everything in life is a learning process.
Yes but that answer you can reply to anything . That just makes me sad.
We are here to study the game of roulette not some strange riddles.
I asked you some direct questions and you did not answer. Then I know where I have you. Thanks.
His mind is filled with beautiful things,
past revelations and future sins.
He takes me to places
that i have never been,
to the edge of light
where darkness begins..
good poem i think...
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 16, 12:15 PM 2016
1) No, I'm not placing bets on "past spins". They can only be used to show someone how you got to where you are. They are your past spins that you played. The person that you're telling them to can't use them - they have no value now. What he could do - is use the same strategy that you used to win. Random is like a test and your "book of answers" won't help the next player because he's taking a seperate test. You can still both pass the test, but you'll have different answers. Grins. I just gave myself a headache.
2) The wheel doesn't have past spins. If it could 'think' for itself, it would only know what spin just happened. When they track wheels to check for flaws - when it's not 'random' anymore because of some defect - they can tell that this sector or that hit above what random would allow for ("random has limits - math beats a math game" used to be a profile quote of mine). But on a wheel producing random results, having all the past spins you can handle won't help in trying to figure out what's coming next - or in 10 spins, or 20. So "past spins" for analysis by the casino makes total sense, if it's not producing random results then they can find out and fix the defect. The "past spins" reader boards are at the wheel just as an added trickery to exploit more money from the gamblers because (even they know) that these are useless to the player when it comes to what's coming next.
Nevertheless our brains fool us.
We simply can´t help it: Seeing some pattern
or other there in this added trickery.
The flies on the wall are trapped in TIME too. Clocks are missing.
The Casinos don´t need them. We seem to be unable to TRANSCEND TIME ANYWAY :)
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 16, 01:19 PM 2016
I asked you some direct questions and you did not answer. Then I know where I have you. Thanks.
Unreal.
I won't even type out what I want to say to that lol.
Have a nice day.
Is it a 1 spin cycle or 37/38 cycle that math uses
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Quote from: Dane on Apr 16, 01:36 PM 2016
Nevertheless our brains fool us.
We simply can´t help it: Seeing some pattern
or other there in this added trickery.
The flies on the wall are trapped in TIME too. Clocks are missing.
The Casinos don´t need them. We seem to be unable to TRANSCEND TIME ANYWAY :)
Everything in the casino is set up purposefully for one thing - to keep you there and keep you spending money (losing - they hope). So when someone looks at the board of past spins - common sense should tell everyone that it's there for a reason and what that reason is. But you can't explain that to some people. The drinks are there to help you concentrate - the reader board is there to help you win because it's easier to see that "trigger" spot to start betting lol. It's amazing how much they try to help the poor gambler but they still can't manage to help people win !.
:thumbsup:
The gamblers should be offended that the casino thinks they are so stupid - but no - the gamblers will actually defend the casino's tactics and lose the whole time - blaming their own "bad luck".
It's laughable. I think that most think also that the 'comps' they get because they signed up for the casino 'card' is because the casino really wants them to have a room to sleep in and a meal to eat. It surely can't be because they want you to stay there (or come back) and lose whatever you might have won.
Oh well, I'm the bad guy because I just give advice, post the truth and try to point people in the right direction and don't post specific step-by-step instructions on exactly how I play. So be it.
HEY RG -
There are lots of amazing things on Homer's blackboard you know.
But I'm sure either - "no one cares" or "explain those formulas to me in every detail so that I don't have to look them up". lol :lol:
Turbo,
Your posts are over their heads and their delusions and denial will soon have them labeling you a troll, blasphemer, and mathboy.
Math, logic and common sense elude them at every turn, and they "don't care about the odds or house edge".
Their minds are trapped in the box that is the gambler's fallacy, and escape for them is futile.
-The General
Quote from: The General on Apr 16, 02:24 PM 2016
Turbo,
Your posts are over their heads and their delusions and denial will soon have them labeling you a troll, blasphemer, and mathboy.
Math, logic and common sense elude them at every turn, and they "don't care about the odds or house edge".
Their minds are trapped in the box that is the gambler's fallacy, and escape for them is futile.
-The General
lol - that's ok, I'll keep throwing ropes into the hole - a few people will grab.
Others will shovel the hole deeper because that's the best way to get out of a hole isn't it ?
Turbo thanks for the answers. One more question probably last. If playing based on past is random, how is present and future not random. I am assuming it is random as well and then irrespective of how one play their numbers, what plan one have, at the end of the day one is playing a random game right?
Betting random against random gives a neutral/downward trend, you must have some kind of structure or plan in your betting,...
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 16, 02:32 PM 2016
Turbo thanks for the answers. One more question probably last. If playing based on past is random, how is present and future not random. I am assuming it is random as well and then irrespective of how one play their numbers, what plan one have, at the end of the day one is playing a random game right?
Correct - the present spin and the future spins will be random outcomes.
The past spins are as well - but they don't give hints on future spins.
Random has rules (grins). As Mr J posts about often - even with random we can know that x,y and z will have a high probability of happening. We only need to defeat the house edge - which mathematically is very small.
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 16, 02:39 PM 2016
Betting random against random gives a neutral/downward trend, you must have some kind of structure or plan in your betting,...
Correct - neutral is of no use. The only way to win against random is to find ways to predict (at a slightly larger percentage of accuracy than the house advantage) future spins.
It's not mumbo-jumbo, "karma" or "luck". It takes no super-powers to do so.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 16, 02:41 PM 2016
Random has rules (grins). As Mr J posts about often - even with random we can know that x,y and z will have a high probability of happening.
he he... General what do you think about this.
To me, it is very straightforward. There is a big dark room and there are many small pathways to exit the room. However there is a long path that goes round and round. Many people will be walking round and round without finding a way to get out. However, there are few people who has found those small pathways to exit and travel freely in and out. However each of them know only those pathways they have discovered and led to believe that, it is the only way to travel at will and preach others and encouraging them to find that way. Turbo you have a way to beat the game which is not using the past, that doesnt mean that past spins doesnt matter and past spins cannot be used to beat the game. General might say, it doesnt matter whether it is past or future, unless you are able to find a bias house edge will catch you on a long run and math proves it. Steve might say, go to hell with numbers, physical attributes of the wheel is what matters and hence increase your prediction using computers even if there is no bias. While I am fan of your way of using future spins, I am not when you say past cannot be used. Everyone to themselves and there is nothing right or wrong as long as they are able to work it out and understand what they are doing. I use past spins. I saw an interesting graph in your signature, this is my graph that uses past spins.
Maths has always been rewritten. Rational numbers became irrational. It becomes surreal. So is physics. People deconstructed things to atoms and then further into tinier particles that constitute atom and still their is no limit to what is to come. Science and maths waits for proof to change and adapt itself. There is no proof to whether it is A or B and unless there is a proof, the discussion will continue.
The key is not doing the same thing again and again, but do something different everytime. .
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 16, 02:59 PM 2016
he he... General what do you think about this.
Please note: I said "probability" not something that is 100%
It is as simple as knowing that 38 different numbers won't show in 38 spins - and that the same number won't spin 38 times in a row. Even with random we have rules - we have probable outcomes, even predictable ones.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 16, 03:07 PM 2016
Please note: I said "probability" not something that is 100%
It is as simple as knowing that 38 different numbers won't show in 38 spins - and that the same number won't spin 38 times in a row. Even with random we have rules - we have probable outcomes, even predictable ones.
Turbo - I think we both understand each other and are in perfect alignment. I think the disagreement is mainly semantics. I am happy with that.
Taking the example you have typed here when you arrive at the table number 6 is spinning. Do you think the past 37 numbers would have been 6. You enter a table and the past 20 spins has been different no repeats. Do you think the next 17 numbers will have repeats from those 20 spins that has gone through?
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 16, 03:09 PM 2016
Turbo - I think we both understand each other and are in perfect alignment. I think the disagreement is mainly semantics. I am happy with that.
:thumbsup: me too
Priyanka,
Regarding your post...some of us aren't in a dark room. We escaped the confines of the box that's the gambler's fallacy long ago.
TG: I've tested your theory, link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16877.0 8)
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 16, 03:23 PM 2016
TG: I've tested your theory, link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16877.0 8)
lol - no comment. I have nothing to do with that !
I firmly believe that its your own view on proceedings, or you are a follower.
Ive started with TurboGenius and are lately looking at his advice.
I have great respect for the guy, as do I with Priyanka. But Im no follower.
I like to be inspired....but I love to look at it from my angle.
Other influences, but not always on roulette knowledge....sometimes attitude, intelligence or sheer drive
GLC
MrJ
Iggiv
Steve
Ignatus
Caleb Johnnson
Drazen
TCS
Bayes
to name but a few
But I still want to do it my way :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Apr 16, 06:42 PM 2016
to name but a few
But I still want to do it my way
BINGO, I agree.
Ken
link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLlCxK0pHY