Hi all,
New member and first time poster, apologies if something similar has already been posted.
The following is a system for ECs which a member of another forum I visit came up with, and he’s happy for me to share the system. I’ve been using it for approximately 2 months, and in that time I increased my BR x7, however did have a total loss (4 betting levels explained below), which reduced my BR to x4.5, however, I’ve increased by BR back to x6. I play online live dealer tables, no RNG.
Also, my loss was due to me slightly deviating from the “rulesâ€, however, you will have losses along the way and it’s a total grind.
The system itself looks to take advantage of around 25% of EC outcomes being singles, whereas the remaining 75% are 2 of the same or more. I’ll explain using red/black, however, I don’t see any reason why it can’t be used for any of the other ECs, although, I’ve been advised the way the roulette wheel is laid out, the other two ECs are less reliable. I’ve been using all 3 ECs & they all seem to offer the same results, I’ve had losses and wins on all 3.
You wait for at least 3 zig-zags to end than start playing, this is your “triggerâ€, either rbrr or brbb, and always play the colour of the last spin, therefore, if you get rbrr then start your betting with a bet on the r (in case of a 0 whilst betting, the colour before that). You play to normally win ANY positive amount per game. If you lose your bet you increase your bet per the listed amount as detailed below, and on a win you decrease your bet as also detailed below, any two consecutive wins decrease your bet by whatever the starting level value is, to reiterate, you only play a game until you show any profit, then wait for another trigger and start over.
There are 4 betting levels each of the levels having 5 bets. I’ll explain using a starting bet of £10 on level 1, however, you can adapt this to any amount as long as the table chip selections facilitate it:
(Level 1 - £10-£16-£22-£28-£34 = £110 (Up £6 on a lost, down £4 on win.)
(Level 2 - £15-£24-£33-£42-£51 = £165 (Up £9 on a lost, down £6 on win.)
(Level 3 - £30-£48-£66-£84-£102 = £330 (Up £18 on a lost, down £12 on win.)
(Level 4 - £60-£96-£132-£168-£204 = £660 (Up £36 on a lost, down £24 on win.)
Grand total: £1265
When you lose a level, you move to the next level. Levels 2, 3, and 4 are recovery levels, as soon as you win back what you lost, you go back to level 1. The aim is to always play at level 1.
The maximum bet is usually the amount you “lose†before going to the next level, meaning you can go a little higher if upping the bet takes you past it; so for example if you are at Level 1, you won the £34 bet, then lose the £30 bet, you bet £36 but if you lose that bet, time to go to Level 2 (and if you win, your next bet is now £32).
You “stop playing†(or consider a session done) whenever you have won a set amount decided beforehand, personally, I play until I’ve increased my BR by 3%.
Regarding the above betting levels, I don’t use anywhere near this amount, this was just to explain the progression/regression. To create your own betting levels with a suitable progression/regression based on your BR use the following as a guide:
Level 1: any starting value, +60% of the starting value on a loss, -40% of the starting value on a win; max bet is around 3.4 times the starting bet, there are 5 steps including the initial bet
Level 2: 1.5 times Level 1
Level 3: 2 times level 2
Level 4: 2 times Level 3
A total of around 130 times your Level 1 starting value needed for the total bankroll
As I’ve already mentioned this is a grind and there will be losses, therefore, it’s recommended your BR is at least twice the total cost of the system, 3 times highly recommended. The system does not lose very often, it’s there to make sure you don’t go nuts after a loss. Don’t be in too much of a hurry to up your starting bet even though it’s tempting, wise money management, patience, and a cool head are the key to success, build your bankroll fist and then up the starting bet. Let’s say you are starting with a £1, your total bankroll should be around £390; if you want to up the starting bet to £2, wait until your total bankroll is at least £520, ideally closer to £780. As I’ve already mentioned I started 2 months ago with a BR which was actually only enough for just 2 levels which is now currently 6 times what I started with including a full 4 level loss a couple of weeks ago, a loss which I suffered because of slightly deviating from the rules, if I’d stuck with the rules I’d have been fine. My betting amounts are low; however, if it works for a 1p bet it should work for a £100 bet.....
Thnx and welcome aboard bud
Thanks :thumbsup:
Welcome JimmieB ;)
Be careful with that 4 leveled progression it can bite you on the arse !!!!
O0
Unless it's a En prison way it doesn't stand a chance on the long run.
Did any of you ever thought why none of live online casinos doesn't offer En prison play.
Even if they offer it gamblers will still lose,if a bet does not win flat there is nothing you can do period.
Quote from: warrior on Jan 21, 03:27 PM 2014
Even if they offer it gamblers will still lose,if a bet does not win flat there is nothing you can do period.
EC En prison is mostly play flat bet dear Warrior.In Nice and MCarlo,you got to seat on the table earlier/before tables open/to get a seat.
JB - Welcome to the forum & good to see another system posted on the forum, especially as it's your 1st post (although you do give credit for it to a poster on another forum).
I just did a quick mini test of your system from some live dealer spins I have just to get an idea of the play.
The varied bet amounts can be tricky at up 60% on a loss & down 40% on a win. Obviously a full bet sheet showing all bet variants would almost be essential ?
Also on smaller size bets eg 2 starting minimum & 1 chips rounding up would be necessary on the stepped progressions ?
Also the triggers take a bit of time to get used to. I can see what you mean about a bit of a grind. After a win & a new game reset it was 7 play lines before a (R/B) trigger hit. Perhaps with more familiarisation you could have all 3 EC's on standby & use which ever one triggers 1st ? What would you do if 2 or even all 3 EC's all gave triggers at the same time ?
Also JB how many sessions & for how long were they over the last 2 Months ? Also where do you play on line ? I often play at Party Casino. I have an account with Smart Live but haven't played there for some time (too slow live dealer @ 2 min. spins)
Teo & Warrior - So far JB has said he is now x 6 his original BR. At one stage he was x 7 & due to not following the bet plan & crashed out @ L4 in one session taking his BR down to X 4.5 ("if I'd stuck to the rules I'd have been fine"). En prison hasn't been mentioned & the way I read it JB's play just wears the loss of any Zero hit ? Besides what on line live dealer game has En prison ?
As to losing it must have merit if it's held up & even recovering after a gross betting mistake. 2 months is a reasonable long term, lets see how it goes over the next 2 months. Winning is winning is money anywhere you play.
Welcome Jimmy B.thanks for sharing your method.So R-B-R-R start betting with a R if lose wait for next trigger?Your money management seems to be working well for you as you increased your bankroll multiple times.
Welcome jimme
you can have 12 ec's if you want. Your trigger is seen many more times (not such a grind)
O/E, R/B and 10 x lines pitched 3v3 - 12 e/cs
But....trying to take advantage of a probability, over a small amount of spins, when the probability is only proven over thousands of spins is fallacy
Variance is king in your small trot.
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Quote from: teo on Jan 21, 03:54 PM 2014
EC En prison is mostly play flat bet dear Warrior.In Nice and MCarlo,you got to seat on the table earlier/before tables open/to get a seat.
I know been to Monte Carlo ,what I'm saying is that even if the players have this ,they will still lose because they do not have a bet that wins consistantly enough to take advantage of the enprison or partage and wins flat bet ,you can throw the holy grail at them and they won't even know it.they will lose more then the 2 .7 percent .which is a small percentage for the casino.
Warrior - How does what you say fit with with JimmieB's plays where he's 6 times his bankroll up after 2 months & never underwater but a dip from BR x 7 to BR 4.5 due to off system bets ? As a graph its up ramp, dip & again up ramp. So far, in most peoples books, it would be called a winner.
AUSGUY...........its called a progression
Quote from: ausguy on Jan 21, 09:54 PM 2014
Warrior - How does what you say fit with with JimmieB's plays where he's 6 times his bankroll up after 2 months & never underwater but a dip from BR x 7 to BR 4.5 due to off system bets ? As a graph its up ramp, dip & again up ramp. So far, in most peoples books, it would be called a winner.
4 levels that's not hard for random to beat.
I'm hoping that JB will reply soon as to how many sessions/bets he has made in the past 2 months.
In the meantime a positive is just as valid as your negative "4 levels that's not hard for random to beat" by me saying that it's also possible for JB to continue on his winning ways for another 2, 4, 8 or *10 months ? (*= 1 year). Random hasn't beaten him yet & it's not just 4 levels is it ? As in 4 x 5 = 20 bet positions plus the - 40% back steps on any win.
All, thanks for the interest in the system, ref the queries, I'll get back to you with answers tonight when I get in from work, you will have to bear with me as well as being a newbie on the forum, I'm pretty much a newbie to roulette also....
Any chance this is called the Ching-A-Ling on the other board?
Managed to get some time this afternoon....
@ ausguy
Ref the progressions, yes, it can be tricky depending on chip availability. I mainly play on Sky Vegas (UK based) and lately William Hill. Sky Vegas have 2 non dealer live wheels (I’m assuming it’s live feeds of air ball machines), where you can have a minimum bet on ECs of just 10p and 20p respectively, with a maximum of £500 on the ECs, therefore, you can accommodate almost any value of bets on this table, they also have live dealer tables with minimum bets from 50p, ideal if you are maybe playing your recovery levels meaning you have more tables you can watch for the trigger
If you are at table with a minimum bet of £1 on EC’s and the chip selection might be just £1, £5, etc, I would suggest the following levels, you could even use this for starting of at just 10p:
Level 1 - £1, £2, £3, £4, £5 (lose up £1, win down £1)
Level 2 - £2, £4, £6, £8, £10 (lose up £2, win down £1)
Level 3 â€" either £4, £7, £10, £13, £16, or, £5, £8, £11, £14, £17 (lose up £3, win down £2) - £50/£55
Level 4 â€" either £8, £13, £18, £23, £28 (lose up £5, win down £3), or £10, £16, £22, £28, £34 (lose up £6, win down £4)
Regarding using any of the EC’s, yes, I use all 3, and yes it does mean you come across triggers more frequently the guy who come with the system plays on US wheels and I believe it’s only the colours which alternate, whereas, the high/lows/odds/evens are more scattered on the us wheel, hence why his recommendation was colours only, however the UK/Euro wheel all 3 EC’s are almost all alternating.
If you come across 2 or 3 triggers at once, I don’t see why you can’t play them all, I guess it depends on your BR, you may want to have a separate BR for all 3, and how confident you are at doing this, as I’ve already mentioned I’m fairly new to roulette, however, I have managed to play 2 online tables whilst betting at the same time on the odd occasion, I found it quite tense though. :)
How often I’ve plated and how many sessions is difficult to answer as I haven’t really been keeping any records, however, I’ll explain what I do, and this will hopefully give you an idea...
I had been playing online roulette for a couple of months with before coming across this system and overall had probably lost in the region of £100 to £150 trying various systems from the internet etc. Based on this & reading various peoples opinion I came to the conclusion that you will never win at roulette (which all things considered is 99.9% true!), and made a decision not to deposit any more money into my account. I only had £15 (piddly amount, I know) in my account when I came across this system, and thought, I’ve enough for just 2 levels, level 1 being 30p, 50p, 70p, 90p, £1.10, and a level 2 of 50p, 80p, £1.10, £1.540, £1.70 let’s give it try with a session target of increasing my BR by just 3% compounded each session, and hopefully I could get enough to incorporate a third and fourth level. I managed to achieve this as well being able to incorporate a second lot of level 4 bets, with my starting bet being 30p, however, when I had a level 3 loss nearer the beginning, I didn’t have enough in my BR for a fourth level, as the system appeared to work, I decided to deposit the required funds for a level 4, about £25, if this lost, I was really out, I manged to get back to where to level 1 and withdrew the £25. When I suffered my first 4 level loss I had just over £104 in my account, my account dropped down to about £65, I was hoping to get my BR to around £130, then I was going to move up a 50p starting bet. When I dropped down to £65, I remained on the 30p starting unit, however, if had another 4 level loss, I was out. My BR is now currently just under £88, meaning I’ve manged to build it back up to 2 lots of 4 levels at the 30p start.
Based on the above, I had probably played bout 75 sessions before my 4 level losses, as mentioned my session target was the 3% compounded increase in your BR. Sometimes you could win 2 or 3 sessions in an hour, which is the maximum time I tend to play (unless it’s the weekend), as I believe the more time you are sitting at the tables, the more likely you are to lose, however, if you lost a level or 2, it could maybe take you a couple of days to get back to where you were depending on how long you play. Also, as your BR increases, whilst you are remaining on the same starting bet, you require more games to reach the session target, as you can imagine a session can take quite a few games if your BR is at a the levels just before you are due to move up your new starting level bet, thence the grind.....
The reason why my session target is 3% compounded is, believe it or not, starting with just £15, if you mange to achieve this, after 300 session you would have over £106k. That’s trying to win less than one session a day for a year! Obviously this is very difficult to achieve, however, it gives you something to aim for, broken down into small targets. Ideally if after several months, I could get in the region of £1800 (approximately 165 sessions), this would give me 3 lots of 4 levels with a £5 starting bet, or even £2600 (175 sessions), giving me enough for 2 lots of 4 levels with a £10 starting bet I would aim to try & win £100 to £150 per week and take this out; for reference200 sessions would give you almost £5.5K, alternatively you could aim for a 5% increase, after a 150 sessions you would have over £22k, or go the other way, just a 2% increase, after 400 sessions you would have over £41k.
Finally regarding the zero, I ignore, and move up the next betting amount i.e. of it was b before the zero, meaning I was betting b, I would bet b again.
I hope this helps answer your queries.
@ Dutchy
1R
2R
3B
4B
5R
6B
7R
9B
10R
11R â€" trigger, I then bet 12 will be R
12B â€" loss, I now bet 13 will be B, following the last result
13B â€" win, I have made a profit, albeit just 0.6 unit, stop betting and wait for another trigger, then start betting again...
@ foogus
YES!!! This is the Ching-A-Ling from Rouletteforum.com, the full thread from when the system originated back in May is under Roulette Systems, and the topic, is called (funnily enough) Ching-A-Ling, take a look....
As I stated in my opening post this is not my system, and cannot take any credit for it, hence why I didn’t want to call it by its name, I just thought I would share it which the author is happy for me to do so, as it’s been working for me, and others. The guy who started it is based in the US, and can only access land casinos, in the 8 months he has been doing it, he is $30k up and is currently starting with a $30 level 1 bet, he has had his losses along the way, which he doesn’t hide from telling you about. Form the chats I’ve had with him on the forum and via PM he seems a really decent stand up guy, therefore, if this does work for you drop him a PM and keep him updated, he’s always happy to hear how you are doing with the system, winning or not, if it doesn’t work you, you can blame me since I introduced you to it. :)
Hi Turner,
Excuse my ignorace, I had a look at the spreadsheet, can you explain more on the other 10 ECs, I don't understand?
Thanks
Quote from: Turner on Jan 21, 05:28 PM 2014
Welcome jimme
you can have 12 ec's if you want. Your trigger is seen many more times (not such a grind)
O/E, R/B and 10 x lines pitched 3v3 - 12 e/cs
But....trying to take advantage of a probability, over a small amount of spins, when the probability is only proven over thousands of spins is fallacy
Variance is king in your small trot.
Hi JimmieB,
Here is how I’ve adapted the progression to play in low value 0.10 units in UK live online casino:
Level 1: 40p-60p-80p-£1-£1.20-£1.40. Lose up by 20p; win down by 10p
Level 2: 80p-£1.20-£1.60-£2-£2.40-£2.80. Lose up by 40p; win down by 20p
Level 3: £1.20-£1.80-£2.40-£3-£3.60-£4.20. Lose up by 60p; win down by 30p
(On 2 consecutive wins back 2 places in level - or reset if in profit)
MY SESSION TARGET = £2 (5x40p units)
TOTAL BANK REQUIRED = £32.30
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THE 5/5 ANGLE
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A way to play might be to wait for a TRIGGER to bet.
I set this one as:
If 5 successive chops (singles) then bet 5 times for SAME AS LAST
If 5 successive series (repeats) then bet 5 times for OPPOSITE OF LAST
After the 5 bets - win or lose - wait for next sequence trigger before resuming at next point of progression or start of progression depending on outcome.
Example Session:
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40 -0.40
B - L0.60 -1.00
R - W0.80 -0.20
B - W0.70 +0.50
R - W0.40 +0.90
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.40 +1.30
R - W0.30 +1.60
R - L0.40 +1.20
B - W0.60 +1.80
R - W0.50 +2.30
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40 +1.90
R - W0.60 +2.50
B - W0.50 +3.00
B - L0.40 +2.60
R - W0.60 +3.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L0.40 +2.80
B - W0.60 +3.40
R - L-50 +2.90
R - W+70 +3.60
R - W+60 +4.20
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40 +4.60
R - W0.30 +4.90
R - W0.40 +5.30
R - W0.30 +5.60
B - L0.40 +5.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite of last
B - W0.40 +5.60
B - L0.30 +5.30
B - L0.50 +4.80
B - L0.70 +4.10
R - W+0.90 +5.00 (start @ 80p next time)
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.80 +5.80 (restart at 40p)
R - L-0.40 +5.40
B - W0.60 +6.00
R - W0.50 +6.50
B - W0.40 +6.90
R
B
- 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40 +7.30
R - W0.30 +7.60
R - W0.40 +8.00
R - W0.30 +8.30
R - W0.40 +8.70
- 5 reds so play opposite last
R - L0.40 +8.30
R - L0.60 +7.70
B - W0.80 +8.50
B - L0.70 +7.80
B - L0.90 +6.90 (restart at 1.20)
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L1.20 +5.70
B - W1.40 +7.10
R - L1.30 +5.80
B - L1.50 +4.30
B - W1.70 +6.00 next bet = 1.60
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W1.60 +7.60
R - W1.50 +9.10
B - W0.40 +9.50
B - L0.30 +9.20
B - L0.40 +8.80 next bet 0.60
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.60 +9.40
R - L0.50 +8.90
R - L0.70 +8.20
R - L0.90 +7.30
B - W1.10 +8.40 next bet =1.00
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00 +9.40
B - W0.90 +10.30
R - L0.40 +9.90
B - L0.60 +9.30
R - L0.80 +8.50 next bet =1.00
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00 +9.50
R - L0.90 +8.60
B - L1.10 +7.50
B - W1.20 +8.70
B - W1.10 +9.80 next bet =1.00
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W1.00 +10.80
R - L0.40 +10.40
R - L0.60 +9.80
B - W0.80 +10.60
R - W0.70 +11.30
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W0.40 +11.70
B - W0.30 +12.00
R - L0.40 +11.60
B - L0.60 +11.00
R - L0.80 +10.20 next bet = 1.00
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W1.00 +11.20
R - W0.90 +12.10
R - W0.40 +12.50
B - L0.30 +12.20
R - L0.50 +11.70 next bet =70p
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.70 +12.40
R - W0.60 +13.00
R - L0.40 +12.60
B - W0.60 +13.20
R - W0.50 +13.70
Of course a lot slower, but maybe safer? I suppose you could play faster on rng.
Profit = +137units (playing at 10p whole units)
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I agree with JimmieB in that you can also play until in profit then STOP and wait for next trigger.
A.
PS. I tried to shorten this with reveal tags - but don't seem working!
Hi Atlantis,
I remember seeing this in the other forum, and I liked look the look of it....
Going from your example do you only play the 5/5 angle with one level of betting, if you lose up 20, win down 10, win 3 in a row back to the original starting bet, if this is the case do you have a stop limit?
Also, form your example, I think the following may be wrong, should the 5 Rs after the chop not be losses, as you should be betting B, same as the last after the chop, which was a B?
R - W0.50 +6.50
B - W0.40 +6.90
R
B
- 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40 +7.30
R - W0.30 +7.60
R - W0.40 +8.00
R - W0.30 +8.30
R - W0.40 +8.70
- 5 reds so play opposite last
Hi JimmieB,
Well spotted. It was a while ago so may be a recording error; but anyhow if wrong its not going to make much difference..
As you can see I might play this slightly different to the original by Chingy. For instance, If I'm in profit after a 5 spin play I might reset to the beginning of that level and some times I extend the level sequence... but I think your idea is very good.
A.
Thanks Atlantis,
Having had a look on the forum there are quite a few EC systems which I like the look of, especially those with triggers, I do like a system with a trigger :D, I'm going to test few on RNG sites, in the meantime, I'll stick with my tried and tested system on live tables for the time being, although, I might give your 5/5 tonight whilst I'm watching the football :)
Thanks for replying JimmyB. I posted in Chingy's thread on 16th December 2014, after spending about a month reading the whole thread and I agree Chingy seems like a pretty cool, honest bloke. Not that I can say the same for some of the other people on that board who seem to take pleasure in baiting him at every opportunity.
I haven't played his method at all, but there seem quite a few on there that do and most report good outcomes.
Hi,
Anybody else been trying this idea? I think I might spend some time today testing with a variant idea by JimmieB. :)
A.
Hi Atlantis,
Did you manage to get any testing done?
Hi JimmieB,
I DID do a few tests the other day with your idea and got some mixed results...
A couple of games had unfavourable outcomes and I was a little disappointed.
I think on balance I prefer the 5/5 angle still - maybe incorporating the stop at a winner aspect of your variation - but each to his own.
A.
Hello,
I finally found my way over to this forum and registered. Hey
Jimmie, nice job explaining the strategy and the kind words. The
same goes for you Atlantis and Foogus saying I was a decent guy.
Atlantis, I'm sorry to hear the testing was a little disappointing. I
naturally don't know how you did your testing, but I have others
and the same feelings as you. But after going over how these others
did the testing I learned that they had made some minor errors or
were playing continously. Based on the corrections, further test was
done and all most everyone cam away with a positive reaction.
The key thing is Atlantis I constantly move from table to table, thus
in the truest sense a "hit and run." To lose 5 consecutive bets the
odds are only approximately 1 in 32. So if you stay long enough at
a table you'll see many sequence over time of strings of 5 or more
consecutive losses. But the strength of the strategy isn't the hit and
run, because 5 losses can happen on the first spin of any session.
The important part is the fact that series of even money chance
account for approximately 75% of all trials. If you did a silly test
of a grouping of 100 spins and did it a hundred times, then counted
each group of 100 spins to find how many series vs single events
you would see after checcking all hundred groups that series truly
average about 75%. True every spin is independent the odds never
change 50/50 red or black, minus the percentage for the zero or
zeros. My theory is based on whether I can predict the right color,
no it's based on the high percentage that streaks of series consist-
antly dominate single events. As most of you that know me, this isn't
just something I've done a few million RNG tests on, it's almost one
year now that I have been playing this in live casinos. And in all
fairness, I haven't given myself the advantage of playing with the
partage rule about 90% of the time. I play at a casino that very
close to my home, I rarely have time to travel to Atlantic City where
I have the advantage of the partage rule and getting back half my
bets due to zeros. I'm constantly fighting the "ZEROS" and no partage
rule! I'm up over 30k with limited playing time for the year under
these guildlines, but if I was playing in Atlantic City that total would
be a lot higher. I even wonder what my total would be if I could play
at a single zero wheel, I'm giving up a higher percentage to play close
to home instead of traveling 3 hours to play.
As of late, I have been testing a new theory and it has shown great
results, lowering the risk and increasing the recovery stages. I have
only shared this new aspect with two others and they are using it also
with great results. As you guys know, there's no Holy Grail, it's all
about discipline and good money management. The nay-sayers all
swear every system loses in the long run, the thing is that the so
called "Long Run" has been debated from the beginning of the first
game of chance. To take a line from Midnight Skulker, we are only
moral, so we will never live long enough to know the long run. There's
no magic win all, it's about taking losses and wins and find a way to
inch forward, thus the constant grind. It's work and gamblers generally
want no part of that, everyone wants that guarantee win with no losses.
Well it's just an illusion, I see most here are looking for the golden BOT
they can turn on and wake up rich! I have always told guys that if they
play on these online casinos they are not getting RANDOM, these are
mostly computer programs. Right there the warning bells should sound.
If you want a fighting chance with real random stick to a live casino
not a site where you have no idea how that program is written. I could
show you a program and let you play a zillion years and you wouldn't
ever know where slowly and selectively begin grind out. Some men
are so used to losing, they just chalk it up to bad luck. Becareful with
these online casinos. I've only had two posts prior and I've had one
fool demand I show him proof. I would waste my time enlighting this
man. The funny part is two post later he cries that his other computer
just had 4 zeros in a row and saying their killing him. I've read through
some of his 3000 post and it was clear he's a life time loser and
chasing the dream. Think guys, no online casino in the world has to
submit there PROGRAMS, these are trade secrets and yes many online
casinos are regulated that great but without seeing the programs it's
all for show. Good Luck Guys, and thanks again! Louie
Ching-A-Ling - I don't agree with your view that all on line casinos don't provide true random results.
As you are in the USA (the so called world champions of freedom of choice) you are banned from playing overseas, including single zero live dealer games ?
So surely you would have nil experience playing live dealer games like at Dublin bet, Smart Live UK, Party Casino (Latvia/UK) & there's many others ?
All you have for most roulette games are the 38 pocket dual zeros wheels. How the American player has been conned by US casinos nation wide is difficult to fathom ?
Lumping all the on line roulette games into one basket is a major gross error. I think you may mean RNG games which I agree are rigged & don't play (hugely discussed on this forum & VLS & same forum family).
I've played both B & M casinos live dealer & on line a lot. I haven't had any noticeable difference in results between the two. My win/losses are nearly the same.
Many on line live dealer games offer a better bet limit range than B & M casinos & so a better progression. As an example my local B & M casino roulette chip table has $5 dollar inside bets, Doz./Col. $10 - $500. EC $25 - $1,000. A $10 table, $25 - $1,000 D/C, EC $50 - $2,000.
Party Casino (37 pockets) were I play has a 2 Euro/GBP/$ minimum on any bet to 250 on the inside no's. All outside bets 2 : 1 & EC are the same at 2 - 2,000. That's a ratio of only 1 : 40 on the chip table but 1 : 1,000 on line. Spins are 1 per minute 24/7 all in the comfort, peace & quiet of playing at home. 60 spins per hour VS 25 - 30, maybe at B & M, can make a big difference to profits at the end of any session.
Granted for hit & walk multi table play that you do, B & M casinos rule in that department.
Hey Louie,
Welcome to the forum, hopefully you won't get as much grief over here :)
How are the injuries, you feeling any better, or, is the whiskey/scotch still helping? :thumbsup:
I've been v busy with work and family at the moment, meaning I've had very little time for roulette, still checking the forums though....
Would be really interested to hear about your new theory which is showing good results when you're ready to share.
Speak soon
Jim
Hi chingy,
I have found the following betting progression + using my preferred 5/5 angle to be quite successful...
(5/5 = I wait for 5 unique 'chops' or 5 'series' to occur then bet for streak or chop for a max of 5 times)
I play it on Red/Black EC.
Progression 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5......etc...etc...
In other words, increase by 1u after 2 CONSECUTIVE LOSSES ONLY - otherwise stay at same betting stage unit until even or
ahead of current highest bank total. When that occurs reduce to starting base of 1u.
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Profit =+28u.
Highest bet=3u.
Of course you can adapt this to bet only for streaks if you wish... but I advise to wait for 4 or 5 'chops' as a signal to start play. I prefer to wait for 5.
A.
Big A,
I know that drawing all the conclusions that I'm about to post from your last example is relatively meaningless unless it approximates all of your sessions.
I have been testing this idea using Full TrioPlay's progression idea as a foundation. I just use 5 units as representing +1 or -1. The 2 ideas together are pretty steady winners so far.
I'm not knocking your progression idea. It's solid as your post shows. I just think hanging it on Full TrioPlay's progression gives it another layer of complexity for random to beat.
Analyzing your results:
You had about 560 spins.
28 units won equals about 1 unit for ever 20 spins. That classifies this as a real grinder. That's okay as long as it's a steady winner.
You had 18 betting opportunities. That means we have 26 spins on average between betting opportunities.
We win on average 1.5 units for every betting opportunity.
The 560 spins represents 9.3 hours of play at 1 spin per minute.
If we play all three even chances, we increase wins by 3 and betting opportunities by 3. This should shorten some of the long dry spells while we're waiting for a trigger.
I notice that this is an abbreviated version of my recent post titled "tendency". Maybe this concept isn't such a dead end trail after all.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Mar 14, 12:19 AM 2014
Big A,
I know that drawing all the conclusions that I'm about to post from your last example is relatively meaningless unless it approximates all of your sessions.
I have been testing this idea using Full TrioPlay's progression idea as a foundation. I just use 5 units as representing +1 or -1. The 2 ideas together are pretty steady winners so far. I should mention that I play a flatbet on each level 1-1-1-1-1. If I have 5 wins or losses I have +5 or -5. 4 to 1 = +3 or -3. 3 to 2 = +1 or -1. I increase the bet size based on the rules of Full TrioPlay.
I'm not knocking your progression idea. It's solid as your post shows. I just think hanging it on Full TrioPlay's progression gives it another layer of complexity for random to beat. Of course it also adds another layer of complexity to play it.
Analyzing your results:
You had about 560 spins.
28 units won equals about 1 unit for ever 20 spins. That classifies this as a real grinder. That's okay as long as it's a steady winner.
You had 18 betting opportunities. That means we have 26 spins on average between betting opportunities.
We win on average 1.5 units for every betting opportunity.
The 560 spins represents 9.3 hours of play at 1 spin per minute.
If we play all three even chances, we increase wins by 3 and betting opportunities by 3. This should shorten some of the long dry spells while we're waiting for a trigger.
I notice that this is an abbreviated version of my recent post titled "tendency". I don't mean to imply that you have hijacked my unique idea. I know that you've been working on systems like this for quite a while. The use of streaks vs chops as triggers adds a mild layer of complexity that may or may not be necessary. Maybe this concept of tendency isn't such a dead end trail after all.
GLC
I add the above comments (red) to clarify my post so none would think I was in any way saying that by revealing the way I choose to play it is implying that my way is better than your way. Just two different ways. Minimally different at best.
Thanks for share it.Regardless of whether they provide this bettors can however lose, if the choice doesn't earn ripped absolutely nothing is you can apply interval.
Just reviving this EC topic - the 5/5 Angle - as I think it is still quite strong even with the progression I indicated. But any ideas for better/safer/improved progression can perhaps be applied to it to good effect. I do seem to keep coming back to it though after I give up on other even chance strategies...
For speedier location of triggers could be done on trusted rng with fastspin enabled? Doesn't need to be Red/Black either for that matter.
Food for thought.
A.
Hi guys,
Back after a long time...
First, i decided to contact my friend Atlantis and choose to work on this EC topic, with his 5/5 angle :)
Sounds interesting to me !
Here is an example (Even/Odd) with Wiesbaden numbers. I use Atlantis rules (13 march 2014)
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10 E -w1 0
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8 E -w2 +2
31 O -w2 +4
30 E -w1 +5
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Profit : +5 units.
Quote from: jordan69 on Jul 26, 06:06 PM 2014
Hi guys,
Back after a long time...
First, i decided to contact my friend Atlantis and choose to work on this EC topic, with his 5/5 angle :)
Sounds interesting to me !
Profit : +5 units.
Hello Jordan,
Welcome back! I am also seeking to try and improve this. One idea is to begin play at a base of 1u for 5 spins and assess during and after the 5-bet attack cycle... reviewing and adjusting stake after each attack phase according to the 10% money management plan...
Example below will show the idea.
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The profit/loss (P/L) status of a betting attack is assessed DURING and AFTER each attack sequence of 5 spins:
*If a level or new high position is attained any time during the 5-bet attack sequence then the stake is reduced to the starting base bet of 1unit.
**P/L is also assessed after completion of EACH 5-bet attack to either increase, decrease or remain at same stake level according to the 10% money management plan...
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R - w1.10 +16.30* new high; reduce to 1
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B - L1 +16.30
R - L1 +15.30 +15.30** = stay @1.0
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B - w1 +16.30*
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B - w1 +17.30*
R - w1 +18.30* +18.30** = stay @1.0
*=level or new high achieved DURING an attack play of 5 bets = reduction to base bet (1.0)
**= level or new high reached AFTER completed set of 5 bets means a reduction to base bet (1.0)
+18.30u profit
Highest Bet = 1.7
(Of course to play this way you need casino with .10units... eg: smartlive casino low limit autowheel)
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